Thursday, July 29, 2010

The Saggy Debate

So apparently this is now a legal issue.

Here is a link to the NY Post article.

So what do we think?

I understand (but don’t agree) that the guys feel this is a macho thing but do women really want to be seen with a guy wearing their pants like this?


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  1. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 9:54 am

    NOT!! horrible, cheap.

  2. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 9:58 am

    not t all!

  3. Jeanlaid Alvarez

    July 29, 2010 at 9:58 am

    It doest look good … is not flattering … is not sexy at all ,but each person have the right to dress the way they want !!

  4. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 9:59 am

    I personally don't think they look very good, but I don't think that 'women' have a monolithic view on that many things, including mens' pants.

    Also, there is the possibility that at least some of these men don't really give a fig what a random woman wants them to dress like.

    The legal issue sounds somewhat ludicrous until you remember that it is legal for men to walk around topless, but not for women, so the idea of policing clothing is already inconsistently handled. I don't think either should be illegal – tops or bottoms.

  5. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 9:59 am

    Aaaargh! I hate this, & it's everywhere!! I am CONSTANTLY having to say to my 14yr old nephew "please pull your pants up!" The 'bottom' line is, every woman I know thinks this looks r.i.d.i.c.u.l.o.u.s! (Thanks so much for highlighting the….issue!)

  6. Cheryl Wilson - O'Pry

    July 29, 2010 at 9:59 am

    As a woman- NO! I don't want to see your underwear. I'm basically looking at his ass! How thick is underwear fabric? Where is his junk in the front?


    Really? That's a masculine thing?

  7. digitthemost

    July 29, 2010 at 10:01 am

    I live in London and see these guys all the time. In the context of The Sartorialist, it's almost possible to convince oneself that he has an element of style. When you see them (trying to) walk like this everyday, it's just laughable.

  8. Brian

    July 29, 2010 at 10:02 am

    No, it doesn't look good. BTW, did you take this photo, Scott?

  9. angela

    July 29, 2010 at 10:02 am


  10. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 10:03 am

    i won't even talk to a guy who's displaying his underpants/ no, no, no.

  11. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Agreed, each should be able to choose how to dress – what their style is. I guess, though in the case of business owners, they have the right to allow/disallow inappropriate dress. This would fall under that – who wants to see all of that? Not sexy, not cute, not even stylish!!

  12. GiGi

    July 29, 2010 at 10:09 am

    The way this forces men to walk, as though they've had a #2 accident, is definitely not attractive. Nor manly.

  13. Samantha F.

    July 29, 2010 at 10:10 am

    I'm a high school student and kids are constantly being being suspended for too many pants infractions.

    I agree with my english teacher, who said that since girls have to have their skirts no more than 4 inches above their knee (school rule), guys should not be able to have their pants any more than 4 inches below their crouch.
    Dont ask how she would test this.

  14. La Petite Anglaise

    July 29, 2010 at 10:11 am

    no, no, no! Women, other men, children, animals, you name it NO ONE in their right mind wants to be seen out with anyone who thinks it's a good look/sexy/ socially acceptable to go out in public with this much saggy, greying boxer clad ass out. X

  15. Joanna Roman

    July 29, 2010 at 10:11 am

    Nope, definitely NOT

    It is for me a quite disgusting mixture of "fashion" and personality emanation via using clothes. Someone who does it this way is just for me a man, with whom a woman can't feel well and MAINLY not because of wardrobe but because of what it portraits about the user.

  16. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Absolutely, definitely NO, this does not look good.

  17. Jessica / Lola Vintage Clothing

    July 29, 2010 at 10:14 am

    To me it would seem unrespectable, just kinda silly overall. I'd probably want to laugh and keep saying, "please pull up your pants."
    just sayin'.

  18. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 10:16 am

    In a word … NO!!!!!!!

  19. vir beātum

    July 29, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Making it a legal issue is absurd and a waste of time. If idiots want to make themselves easily identifiable, so much the better for the rest of us, no?

  20. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 10:21 am

    For me it's no cool, no class and so indecent.

  21. Belle de Couture

    July 29, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Absolutely, positively, NOT.
    Guys that feel this is "macho" are just plain ignorant and immature.


  22. Annie's Online Store

    July 29, 2010 at 10:22 am

    its ok, i will not say that its bad, it might suit some and it might not suit some depending on their chioce and body, howevre, stylishly cut clothing suits all if its worn good

  23. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Absolutely not.

  24. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Ladies…………ya need to tell em!

    I'm a 51year old blk man that has worn an afro, platform shoes,cornrows, locks and stuff from Unique clothing warehouse…so I get the style thing. But to me it is style overload it's like the Liberace of the hip hop genre..I think that it's just poor taste…but someone may make the same claim about women's tight jeans and cleavage
    (which I happen to be smitten by, but that's just me…I'm just sayin')…or seersucker, baseball caps worn backwards or any other personal expression of style.

    So having said all that I don't think legal sanction is legal…so we may just have to wait for this to pass. God's speed.


  25. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 10:23 am

    tats appalling

  26. Vitania

    July 29, 2010 at 10:24 am

    He is wearing much more than Anna Dello Russo a few posts below.

  27. FeiStyle

    July 29, 2010 at 10:25 am

    I am not on board. Walking problems aside, having a crotch so low makes one's legs look short.

  28. Valeria

    July 29, 2010 at 10:25 am

  29. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 10:26 am

    What really amuses me is that most of the "boys" who wear their pants this way seem unaware of the origins of this tradition. This style is meant to be an act of solidarity with and a show of support for the men who are incarcerated who have their belts taken from them, leaving their pants sagging. For some it might be a political statement, but not for most. Definitely calls for some fashion policing!

  30. Walter Ostlie

    July 29, 2010 at 10:33 am

    I don't get why people are so angry about this. Not like his actual butt skin is sticking out. I am not sure how this is much worse then a girl wearing hot pants. Maybe we should all walk around in robes so we don't see any unsightly bulges? At least lets go after speedos first.

  31. Rasche

    July 29, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Wearing one's pants in such a manner does not extract the visceral quality that one usually experiences through form-fitting clothing. Sagged pants shorten the legs, increase the length of the torso, and thus, he gains the posture and stature of a hobbit. Here, silhouette and aesthetic are ignored in attempts to exert manhood; which, through an ensemble created out of laziness and through the trite emulation of violent societal figures, he finds a sense of primal masculinity?

  32. Katie

    July 29, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Let's not forget Halle Berry at the MTV Movie Awards…there was no police officer giving her a ticket for having her thong hanging out! It looks totally ridiculous whether it's a man or a woman but it's an individuals decision how much respect they earn walking out of the house!

  33. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 10:35 am

    While I'm totally against this, I realize the chasm between "what a person's individual rights are opposed to what 'society' considers ' "ugh!" ' These men/boys leave someone's home everyday, therefore that's where the conversation should begin! Society has allowed so many other detrimental behaviors, so I guess these individauls see what society's 'well-dressed' individuals do that's inappropriate and feel that they can express themselves in any way they see fit just the same. Hmm… Hmm…

  34. Fenke

    July 29, 2010 at 10:36 am

    as much as i HATE this look, i still don't see why legal actions should be taken – unless it's some kind of comedy we are living in…
    oops sorry, forgot this is taking place in the us, where everbody can sue anybody for anything ;-)
    glad to see though "they" obviously have nothing more important to do.

  35. Adrienne

    July 29, 2010 at 10:37 am

    America already has too many legal constrictions on our so called Freedom of Expression. Nude beaches anyone? There is no need to bring the law into this matter…let the prudes whine about it on Sunday.

    As to whether or not it's attractive…I guarantee you there is an element of the female population that feels this is the height of masculinity and wouldn't so much as look at a man otherwise. But then you probably won't find them reading the Satorialist blog anytime soon. Too each his own. Personally I find somewhere in the middle to be ideal. No fancy suits and expensive shoes. No baggy shorts or outrageous bling. Just regular guy.

  36. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 10:38 am

    I don't mind when teenagers do it, because they don't know much better. however, it is not a good look for an adult.


    July 29, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Definitely not!!
    It looks horrible!

  38. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Is this any worse than Broccoli Spears and her chums constantly forgetting to put their pants on at all. People will always behave in ways which others find inappropriate, but as long as they aren't physically hurting anyone, I don't see the problem. Enjoy your freedom and allow others to enjoy theirs – it's only clothes and you could be living in Iran.

  39. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 10:40 am

    As a woman I don't like for ourselves even the bra strap showing. Needless to say, I don't wish to see someone’s underwear. It is in the word "underwear".

  40. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Emma say…No way would I give a second glance at a guy walking by exposing his underwear, but there are girls out there that do find this attractive. These "macho men" typically have a low credit score to match their low IQ! It's true and you all know it!

  41. Hollawa

    July 29, 2010 at 10:43 am

    My boy wears his pants a little like this… I can't say that I'm proud with him… but it's not so bad… He feels it like this, has his style :)

  42. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 10:44 am

    No, no and three times no…

  43. akari, miss egotist

    July 29, 2010 at 10:45 am

    NO. But…"You can raise your level of respect if you raise your pants,"

    Read more:

    I mean, there is a big differenece between wearing your trousers below the waistline -which can appear relaxed and informal- and wearing them like the man in the photo, with his underwear saying hello to everybody -wich is also ridiculous because there is no way to walk like this-.

    kisses :)

  44. SF_Gal

    July 29, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Can Not STAND this look. It's utterly ridiculous and preposterous.

    Automatic disqualification.

  45. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 10:45 am


  46. balsamfir

    July 29, 2010 at 10:46 am

    Not, as you well know. They can hardly walk either.

  47. igram

    July 29, 2010 at 10:46 am

    Do people still do this? I mean, it's so 90's..

    And why did they even ever start?

  48. Amy

    July 29, 2010 at 10:46 am


  49. stabix

    July 29, 2010 at 10:48 am

    Even in Japan, I have seen that man like this photo. I think this style looks sloppy.

  50. stabix

    July 29, 2010 at 10:48 am

    Even in Japan, I have seen that man like this photo. I think this style looks sloppy.

  51. Michael

    July 29, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Playing the Devil's Advocate here, for a moment…

    What if a guy put a little more care into putting this look together — Chose a pair of nicely-patterned, silk boxers, crisp trousers, etc.

    That was a joke (sort of). But can't almost any look be rehabilitated with creativity and some smart choices?

  52. Julnyes

    July 29, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Do I find it in any way attractive? No

    Do I think it should be illegal? No

    Do I wish my nephew would pull up his darn pants? Oh god, yes.

  53. Arantxa y Roberto

    July 29, 2010 at 10:52 am


  54. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 10:52 am

    Either you accept individualism, or you send out the message "Why can't you just dress like the rest of us?", which further distances the individual from the norm. Equally, if everyone dressed like Mr Belted Shorts in Paris, there would be no reason for someone dressing like that to appear in this blog.

  55. brandt

    July 29, 2010 at 10:54 am

    This is about a generation of dads, being too afraid to say anything, to their sons!
    It's anything but macho, and if handing out a fine is what's needed so others don't have to see his undies, then fine on!
    It's like second hand smoke…

  56. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Fashion is largely dictated by the company you keep and the group you most identify with. Unless you have enough self confidence to deviate from it then this will remain a style until the prognosticators of this look change direction and the sheep follow. But this predicament of fashion is not exclusive to the urban or hip hop community.

  57. Johnny the Mule

    July 29, 2010 at 10:56 am

    I think it is ugly and distasteful. The guy in the picture even more so, with his blackberry on his belt. "I am [email protected] but I still have to do e-mail".

  58. Simon

    July 29, 2010 at 10:57 am

    I live in the North of England and this look seems to be everywhere. Surely women cannot take a man looking like this seriously. As much as I like rap (please don't confuse this with hip-hop), this looks like a bloke with potty training issues.

  59. Hilda

    July 29, 2010 at 10:58 am

    No. Even if it's legal.

  60. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 10:59 am

    Although personally I think this is lazy and looks awful, its really all in how you look at it.

    Cone bras, huge shoulder pads, armadillo shoes…Lady Gaga walking around with no pants on at all…

    its all been done, and just because its not readily on the runways in the fall doesn't mean its not someones way of expressing themselves.

  61. Hek

    July 29, 2010 at 10:59 am

    I used to like when guys dressed a bit sloppy when I was a teenager, but I don't think it looks good on grown men. Sagging isn't too bad, but having the whole butt having out looks stupid. I like a man that dresses with pride and sophistication.

    That said, I think it's ridiculous to have laws on how people can dress. We don't have that as far as I know in Norway where I live. But I know some European countries are getting laws on burkas and hijabs in schools, which I think is just crazy. People should wear what they want, and nobody can say what type of clothes is "right".

  62. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 11:01 am

    A clown, he looks like a real clown. Macho? Please! I'm from Spain, from where the word macho comes,and this is just the opposite. Macho is not this.

  63. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 11:01 am

    It's just sad that guys have to prove himself and show others his masculinity in such a horrific way of dressing. If you ever show it at all, then, show it all the way! Otherwise, please hide it!!

  64. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Well I think if guys really knew where this look came from they might have a second thought, it derives from prison culture. In the "yard" it is a way to distinguish which men are "available" and it means that you are willing to be a bottom.

  65. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 11:02 am

    It's impossible to take a person seriously when their pants are around their knees.

  66. moxie

    July 29, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Clothes convey how we want to be perceived – suits for 'executives,' uniforms for public workers, track suits for the retired (and mob).

    If you want to convey a familiarity with the prison system, you wear baggy pants

  67. Miz.November

    July 29, 2010 at 11:04 am

    Seriously. It just looks idiotic. It's not a fashion statement. This isn't even sloppy. I mean, I would think that they would really have to try hard to keep the dang things up at that point.
    Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
    I see boxers showing all the time. Not nearly as big of a deal and the whole darn hiney shining.

  68. luvsunflowers

    July 29, 2010 at 11:05 am

    It's disgusting…..

  69. Ana Magnolia

    July 29, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Horrible and stupid (because it dequalifies a person immediately).

    No, no, no.

  70. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 11:06 am

    i recently threw on some shorts to run a quick errand. i skipped the belt and in no time my shorts were hanging low. never mind how i looked – it was uncomfortable beyond words. i know beauty has no price, but fellas – come on. and this guy in particular couldn't be less attractive.

  71. beauty comma

    July 29, 2010 at 11:07 am

    even my nice, well-mannered, mozart-loving norwegian piano students show up at their lessons dressed like this (albeit in a little more discreet version)… it looks both unstylish and embarrassingly stupid, and i always wonder what'll happen if they're late for the bus and have to run. but it'll pass – i suddenly remembered the time when girls wore low-cut jeans with half of their g-strings showing. i haven't seen that for a long time now, so hopefully we can all laugh at this in a while!

  72. Anonymous

    July 29, 2010 at 11:09 am

    This is a