Monday, April 14, 2008

The First (and Hopefully Only) Sartorialist Make-Over


So I’m walking in the East Village last week and stopped into a magazine store for some gum.

While I’m in there a young woman walks in and down an aisle, I barely saw what she was wearing but I was curious.
I guess she saw me looking because she said hi and that she was a fan of the site.

We spoke for a few minutes and while we were talking I kept trying to figure out how i could take a picture of her without getting those boots in the shot!

Anyway, I asked if I could take a shot of her but after a few tries I realized this would never go on The Sartorialist.

Those boots never make a girls legs look good, they always hit at the widest part of the leg which makes your leg look shapeless. I don’t think I have ever shot a young lady for this site wearing that type of boot, or cowboy boots.

The hair is way too long and seems a bit old-fashioned for her and I don’t get the tights/hose.

At least the dress is savable but that neckline combined with her hair does nothing for her long neck.

For all the people that say “she is so cute she would look good in a potato sack” well, here is the proof that even the cutest need to make good stylistic choices.

That’s when I realized she needs a Sartorialist make-over. We are not going to make some huge transformation, she doesn’t need it, but we can make a few changes that will really make a big impact on her personal presentation.

The first thing we are going to do is get her hair cut.

I’m no hair guru but I think we should go short.

What do you think?
We are going to try and do the cut on Wednesday so we need your feed back.

Her name is Phoenix and she is an illustration student. I think it would be great to get all that hair out of her face while she is drawing.

Since she is a student I thought we would also go to Gap or J. Crew for some reasonably-priced, easy Spring/Summer pieces that will fit into her lifestyle.

I have no idea how this will go but it could be a fun little project.

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  1. mimi

    April 14, 2008 at 8:17 am

    to be honest, i think she looks A LOT better pre-makeover than some of the people you have photographed for your blog.

    and how is her hair way too long? it looks shoulder-length!

  2. Franz

    April 14, 2008 at 8:18 am

    The Sartorialist or also called The Perfectionist.

    I like her outfit. It reflects a bit individualism.

  3. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:18 am

    Leave the length, maybe trim it a bit or change the style, but definitely incorporate a color change. Perhaps a blonde with light brown lowlights, or a more fiery red/orange- resembling marcia cross’ style. Blunt bangs perhaps if she’s up for a bolder change?

  4. Vicki

    April 14, 2008 at 8:20 am

    Please do not touch the color of her hair — it’s beautiful. Change everything else!

  5. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:21 am

    Her hair is gorgeous – so nice and thick – but you’re right. Because she’s so “delicate”, it could be a little shorter or have some of the weight taken off of it.

    I disagree on one thing about the boots. She has great legs and can get away with where the boots “hit” her leg. Something a bit less clunky would look good with the dress. If she wears those boots with the dress though, the tights need to be darker.

  6. tjoyy

    April 14, 2008 at 8:22 am

    I cant wait to see what happens

    I think a make over is a great idea – I am interested because it will help me understand your ideas of what style is

  7. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:23 am

    Dude, she looks about 16. Back away from the child and work your magic on someone your own age.

  8. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:24 am

    Needless to say, she is beautiful. Skin, lips, eyes, hair, figure — all wonderful. Would recommend keeping much of her hair length, as her face is round.

    Agree with the boot assessment, Sart. I’ll leave it to the experts on this site to recommend shoes and outfit alternatives.

    Great idea, Sart — everyone loves a makeover, especially if they have input.

  9. chic simplicity

    April 14, 2008 at 8:25 am

    she is indeed pretty, but her outfit.. eh… she could do with a edgier bob, but long enough to put up in a pony tail if she wanted. maybe even some highlights?? i’m sure she’ll be even prettier after the make-over!! exciting!!!

  10. Sandra

    April 14, 2008 at 8:25 am

    Oh dear! She’s really exquisite. Your previous post “You’re not me” says volumes. You may improve her appearance toward some preconceived standard but only at the cost of taking away a certain youthful insouciance.

    I love the sartorialist because you find the best in what is. To start down the path of makeovers runs counter to what makes you and the people you photograph outstanding.

  11. angela

    April 14, 2008 at 8:29 am

    most definitely go with short hair. she has a beautiful face, and i think the short hair will definitely show that off

  12. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:33 am

    i am all anticipation, im sure it will be fun. it’s a good break from usual routine and maybe (hopefully!) not the last make-over. keep us posted!

    saida

  13. Stefanie

    April 14, 2008 at 8:33 am

    YES this is fun! I think a chin length bob would look KILLER on her, no bangs and don’t change the colour.

    Can’t wait to see the results.

  14. Signe

    April 14, 2008 at 8:34 am

    I think she would look good with a jane seeberg-ish haircut.
    or something like this girl: http://underbaraclara.webblogg.se/images/nyhus_4957_1205596256.jpg

  15. mbr

    April 14, 2008 at 8:35 am

    Get some nice (and cheap) colored T-shirts and Jeans at Uniqlo. Some comfortable flats and cotton cardigans… proper art student standards that you don’t have to worry about getting ruined as it isn’t too expensive.

    Or a cotton dress with a large belt may be more her style.

    I don’t think the hair has to be short, but would look good at least up.

  16. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:35 am

    Yes, I think her face is perfect for short hair.

  17. afser

    April 14, 2008 at 8:37 am

    bangs at the eye brow level will be good.

  18. the elephant lady

    April 14, 2008 at 8:38 am

    I think a short hair cut would look great on her! Maybe something a little piecey and pixie-ish.

  19. maggieescargot

    April 14, 2008 at 8:41 am

    i would agree with the hair matter.
    it covers her pretty face.

    the boots in this picture looks fine, although i must agree cowboy boots are not good on the legs, or the look of the leg. it does accentuate the widest part, and it makes me (a relatively short person) look even stumpier. mhm.

    cant wait to see the end result.
    i’ll be checking in.

    hope you’ve have a nice couple of days mr satorialist.

  20. Eleanor

    April 14, 2008 at 8:41 am

    Yes! I simply cannot wait to see the short haircut.

    I bet she will feel reborn.

    She will walk differently and carry herself differently.

    I even bet her drawing will be a bit different.

    I envy her, because there is nothing quite like that feeling you get when you have a really good short haircut (after having had long hair for a long time).

    Bliss.

  21. Lola

    April 14, 2008 at 8:42 am

    maybe its just me, but i think its best if people wear what they like regardless of what other people think, and for that reason i think the idea of ‘makeovers’ is a bit…off. im not sure how else to say it. but i suppose if she asked u for help it would be ok (as opposed to someone telling her she looks bad and needs a makeover). also, J.Crew is not a ‘reasonably-priced’ store, it is actually very expensive. Rich people shop there, not students. Gap is a bit better but still not too affordable for someone who has to pay tuition. Speaking as a high school senior (soon to be college student) I think somewhere a bit lower priced might be better for her budget. I hope you both have fun with the makeover though…

  22. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:42 am

    Provoking entry. Nice.

    Without changing too much of who she is, I would sweep up her hair in soft ponytail leaving her bangs as it is, highlighting her sweet face and neck. Her hair color is good.

    To keep what she’s wearing, she could throw on a loose vest in a lighter shade and use a more colorful bag.

    Tights are probably practically in such weather. Maybe patterned or grey to make it more interesting. Or even purple or blue for fun. She’s young and can pull it off.

    I disagree with the boots though. I find boots stopping just below the calves are great, because it creates a slimmer line for the wearer, compared to ankle boots, which tends to make average legs look like fat carrots, or knee boots which seem to pack our calves in the most uninteresting way. Maybe a bit more wrinkle just above the ankle and add some heels for a very subtle sexiness.

  23. Andy

    April 14, 2008 at 8:43 am

    Wow, good on you.

    I learn so much from this site.

    I don’t wear boots unless they’re tight. I never wear tights but always wear stockings under dresses like that…

    I also think the colour of the dress doesn’t compliment her skin, it’s a winter colour. She should be wearing light pastel colours or something.

  24. Lola

    April 14, 2008 at 8:43 am

    ooh…that was a much longer comment than I had planned on..so sorry

  25. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:44 am

    Isn’t the dogwalker wearing almost identical boots?

  26. Brita

    April 14, 2008 at 8:44 am

    I am intrigued by this post- it is such a digression! You must have been quite taken with this girl. What is great about The Sartorialist is how you capture and celebrate personal style. While she is no doubt very pretty, if you don’t like some element of her outfit and style, I think, don’t post her photo. I really hope this is your one and only makeover. It is most definitely cheating being styled by The Sartorialist!

  27. The Sartorialist

    April 14, 2008 at 8:45 am

    For Anon 8:23am

    she is 26

  28. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:47 am

    Yes, definitely, cut the hair! A bob haircut would become her better. The boots are horrible and will never be cool. A nice pair of ballerina shoes together with an oversize jumper and nice black tights (or a short skirt) and you have a winner.

    All the best from
    Marzipanus of Sweden

  29. deedee

    April 14, 2008 at 8:48 am

    I think she looks like Scarlett Johanson.

    Her hair colour is perfect and I think she would look great with a short, edgy hair cut if you keep the long sweepy bang.

  30. Iheartfashion

    April 14, 2008 at 8:50 am

    Love the short hair idea, and I completely agree about those boots. They NEVER look good. Never. On anyone.
    Interested to see the results of this makeover!

  31. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:54 am

    yupp i think a hair cut would be good, and maybe a brunette shade? she’s got nice legs though!

  32. Jocke

    April 14, 2008 at 8:56 am

    Scott, you can do what you want with her clothes, but her hair is waaaaay to beautiful to cut of.
    It would be madness, total madness.
    However I can definitely see her in a J.Crew floral print dress and some ballet flats or something similar.

    About her outfit on this picture, the deep navy makes her look quite pale. I say keep the blue, but not something quite so deep.

  33. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:56 am

    What an interesting idea!

    I reckon she’d look great with either a chin-length bob or, if she’s feeling brave, a pixie cut. Her face is similar (proportion-wise) to that of Michelle Williams, who rocked that ‘do to great effect… Could look very chic and yet still young and quirky.

    Can’t wait to see the results! And kudos to the lady in question for being so open and adventurous.

  34. chichiandthegreek.com

    April 14, 2008 at 8:57 am

    CUT HER HAIR! Isn’t everyone tired of the same long, slightly wavy undone look that has been on everyone for far to long????

  35. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:59 am

    CUT HER HAIR , YES, BUT DON’T CHANGE THE COLOUR PLEASE!!!

  36. poppy lee

    April 14, 2008 at 8:59 am

    great idea! i’d go for chin length hair personally.

    she’s a really beautiful girl anyway so can’t wait to see the changes you make.

  37. Johanna

    April 14, 2008 at 8:59 am

    There is so much potential. I am looking forward to seeing what outfit you pick out for her without our suggestions. Wonderful to uncover her bangs from her face.

  38. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:03 am

    she’s adorable but you’re right on — shorter hair, eschewing the awful boots, and some color would be brilliant on her. exciting!

  39. annika

    April 14, 2008 at 9:03 am

    Good girl,
    You’re such a lucky bastard!!!
    I’m looking forward to see the results any way. I’m really into 1920′s dos at the moment, but you have to like that… With a beautiful spring dress, lightly coloured in medium length, it’s absolutely unbeatable, though! And yes, please, don’t you dare and touch that colour of her hair!!

  40. Camille Acey

    April 14, 2008 at 9:05 am

    she simply must cut her hair. what a gorgeous girl! she doesn’t need all that hair weighing her down and hiding that beautiful face.

    i normally agree about those kind of boots but i think she makes them work. but i think that dress is heinous and must go away.

    anyway, i am excited to see what happens. i love makeovers and totally trust your taste!

  41. j'taimee

    April 14, 2008 at 9:05 am

    I suggest nothing longer than her chin for the hair.
    But yeah, dress her in some of that color you catch so well, and ditch the tights and boots. She’s cute enough to wear almost anything – almost….

  42. Donald

    April 14, 2008 at 9:12 am

    Gosh, I hope one day you’ll spot me in a shop so I (and everyone that reads the site) can hear how you think everything about me is wrong. Such a lucky girl.

  43. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:13 am

    Does she have a long, thickish neck? In that case, you may have a point about not emphasizing it, but generally, isn’t a long neck a huge advantage? She seems to have a round face and head and a long back too, which is why the boots look stumpy. So, more volume around the crown? Or very long swishy hair – keep growing it. A hip-level belt and fuller skirt will throw light on her slender waist and maybe puff sleeves to shorten the accursed neck? Navy isn’t a flattering colour for many, many people, nor is black, and she has lovely colouring. Did she ask for the makeover, or could she see it in your eyes? I do think she looks good already, but I can see how you would want to steer her away from things that detract from her many impressive characteristics. Hope you have fun – I know you are well-intentioned.

  44. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:15 am

    I think she looks fine, maybe with darker tights. I completely disagree about the boots; when your legs are thin you can get away with them.

    Obviously it’s your site and you should post whatever you feel, but this leaves a bad taste in my mouth. You caught this woman at one moment in time. To suggest her personal style needs a makeover is coming across as a little gauche.

  45. The Sartorialist

    April 14, 2008 at 9:16 am

    Donald
    I talked about this with her before i ever posted it and she is completely on-board. She felt the same way on most of the points I made and she wanted to try something new.

    i would only do this if she was comfortable with the idea

  46. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:18 am

    Two issues for me:
    Her fair hair and skin isn’t helped by the black and navy. Warmer and lighter colored clothes would help immensely. Camel would be wonderful and cerulean. My teenager has similar features but isn’t as tall yet. The hair is a challenge, because, first its thick, and would puff out if it isn’t cut really well and two, it may have a forward cowlick, so if its short its going to come in around her face. Also, she has a round face which is lengthened by a longer look, and the long neck is masked by her hair.

  47. Ame

    April 14, 2008 at 9:21 am

    As someone with the exact same hair type (and from what I see a relatively similar face shape) while she could definitely carry a pixie short haircut there is not need to go that short if all you’re looking for is getting it out of her face. I’m all for the defined bob idea, but all she really needs is for a stylist to thin out some of the weight going on in the front.

    …also as a former art student – don’t do J.Crew or Gap (everyone and their mother wears that stuff) instead try Uniqlo, Beacon’s Closet, Club Monaco or even occaisonally Zara… remember what’s you’ve preached in the past – individuality counts for a lot!

    Best of luck and I look forward to seeing your results.

  48. Mari-Anne

    April 14, 2008 at 9:22 am

    i’d go with red hair up in a ponytail, bang, black one-size-too-big-but-fits-perfectly dress, blue thights and the same boots. and maybe black aviator-style sunglasses.

    but…

    she looks very nice the way she is, too.
    and sorry for writing mistakes, but english isn’t my primary language.

  49. R

    April 14, 2008 at 9:22 am

    I would say go for chin-length hair, though a ponytail might also do the trick. and get her out of black!

  50. bkj

    April 14, 2008 at 9:24 am

    @Donald: actually I would love to be spotted in a shop to hear what was wrong. Criticism and opinions are great, especially from somebody that is so consistently good.

  51. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:24 am

    i’m pretty dissapointed in you satorialist. i thought it was some sought of joke when i first read it. whether she is on board or not it doesn’t matter. so, your going to make her into a clone? short hair and gap/j.crew. are you kidding that doesn’t sound like every other american girl at all..just let her be.

  52. pondbluebird

    April 14, 2008 at 9:26 am

    i think she looks like michelle williams so a short hairdo would be cute and fun. i think something with finger waves to the chin would look nice.

    she is totally pretty and would look amazing with a potato sack in her hair!

    it’s interesting how many people are on you about this makeover. omg – i totally want one! they’re just jealous! xo

  53. zoe

    April 14, 2008 at 9:28 am

    Very interesting indeed Sart.

    You have a great eye, huh? I would never have been able to put that into words. I knew there was a few things wrong with the whole look. But couldn’t map it out like that.(Don’t forget we all think you’re gorgeous Phoenix)

    On the hair front:I think go short, not too many layers though. Could go either way on the colour.

    Have fun with that.

  54. Kadria

    April 14, 2008 at 9:28 am

    chin-length hair for sure, i would suggest katie holmes recent cut.

    i would brighten up her outfit by eliminating the black (or toning it down with some colour). a teal or soft pink might go well.

    btw – love reading your writing and would love to see more of your comments on your own photographs!

    keep up the good work!

  55. chrissie

    April 14, 2008 at 9:30 am

    A chin-length bob, keeping the bang, would be really cute on her, since her hair almost has that shape as-is. As for clothes, the loose dress is great, but maybe have her venture out into other colours. Since she’s clearly comfortable in black, jewel tones wouldn’t be too far away, but would add some pop. She could also update it with a cute (and not-too-expensive!) shoe, like the Nine West http://tinyurl.com/3nu3jz

    Keep it close to how she is now, whatever you do. She looks great already, and any huge change would just obliterate her own style.

  56. cyber-athlete

    April 14, 2008 at 9:32 am

    long hair leaves a great deal of femininity to her otherwise androgynous (but of course fabulous) jawline. perhaps you could just take a lot of weight out of her hair and give her a shorter bang. I’m excited for the results!

  57. ina

    April 14, 2008 at 9:33 am

    She has beautiful hair and beautiful hair color… It would be a pity to cut it off. She should simply change style, and keep the hair out of her face. I am in a similar situation: my hair is tick, and my face is small. I used to have (really) short hair, and loved it at the time, but it was more appropriate for teenage years. In the later twenties, I find that longer hair works better – it can add shine and movement, and be a great accessory… I use bobby pins and hair clips to open up my face, and I always try to find other creative ways to manage my hair.
    She should have her hair length drastically changed only if she truly desires it.
    I do agree about the shoes and clothes – I don’t quite get it. But a remake can work only if you understand what she is trying to do with the outfit, and find better solutions.

  58. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:35 am

    My 2 cents worth: all she really needs are opaque tights. Keep the dress, keep the boots. Really, the boots aren’t all that different than the dog walkers.

  59. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:37 am

    what a great idea! in this way you can help her develop her style while making sure her clothes actually fit and look flattering. i’m very excited to see how this turns out.

  60. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:38 am

    Darlin’. Take a holiday. You are losing all perspective on life, fashion, and MANNERS.

    Leave her alone. She’s a cute kid.

  61. Nantucket Mermaid

    April 14, 2008 at 9:39 am

    groovey…Do it!

  62. Jennifer

    April 14, 2008 at 9:40 am

    I don’t think this idea matches the true spirit of your blog. As I have always interpreted it, your site is about revealing regular people’s best fashion instincts and choices, not picking apart those who fall below the bar. It’s a little too “Glamour Don’ts” for me. This turns me off a bit from your site. I’d prefer this site be positive comments about choices you like and not criticisms. There are more than enough blogs and magazines out there that criticize already. I know your intentions are good, but I think this is a misstep.

  63. Moniker

    April 14, 2008 at 9:42 am

    She’d look awesome in some florals!
    I think her hair is fine. But if you must cut, leave her a side bang.

  64. kelli

    April 14, 2008 at 9:43 am

    i’m really curious to see what you create, i just hope you are able to keep her personality in the new clothes.

    As for the hair I would totally go to a asymmetrical bobbish cut! Shorter in the back and real sweepy and yummy in the front.

  65. Klokka

    April 14, 2008 at 9:44 am

    well, i can’t decide wether or not to wish for the sartorialist to stumble over me and lavish good advice. personal styles or not. great ideas or not. need to think more about that. in the mean time, i’ll continue wearing black. and not cut my hair, which is longer than the beautiful phoenix. i’m half or doubled intrigued by this.

  66. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:44 am

    LM said: Please leave her alone,
    she is an art student who needs to learn to express herself. Her hair is gorgeous and not cookie-cutter bob and her boots and dress are fine, perhaps a darker hose. that
    should be it!

  67. Erica

    April 14, 2008 at 9:44 am

    Yes, perhaps it could be called a Sartorialist Consult, or even a Sartorial Suggestion,rather than a makeover.

  68. cimness

    April 14, 2008 at 9:46 am

    I think her hair is too heavy for her delicate face and long neck. I vote for around chin-length, maybe a bit longer, perhaps with shorter bangs – a Clara Bow bob, maybe? – or else layered at considerably the bottom and away from the face at the top.

    Tights and calf-length boots can be very cute, if the tights are appropriately opaque for the casual floppiness of those kind of boots. I vote opaque grey or coloured.

  69. The Sartorialist

    April 14, 2008 at 9:47 am

    I used Gap / J Crew as examples because they are stores lots of people have access to. would it be better if i said Marc by Marc or some little boutique or expensive brands?

    I have no interest in making her a clone I’m sure we will mix her clothes with touches from other stores.

    I also think this will bring up some very interesting discussions

    there is a point i will make tomorrow that many of us can relate to and i look forward to hearing your responses.

    for Anon 9:35
    I said this will probably be the only time. I have been doing this site for over two years and I have no passion to get into make-overs but when they come up naturally and the person is willing then I want to act on it.

    if it turns out to be a mistake it will not be my first or last

  70. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:51 am

    I agree completely about the hair, neckline, and the boots (cowboy boots too, they look so unflattering on anyone who’s not a size 2). I do love her hair color and think you should keep that. I think j.crew and/or gap are good ideas, but maybe since she seems to be into the less tailored look an inexpensive piece from urban outfitters (they have awesome sales all year round). also, for those of you on here to scold: i’m sure the sartorialist is not forcing this girl to get a makeover against her will. the fact that anyone would be so taken with a girl to compliment her and help her (to me at least, would be flattering, especially coming from you, sart). she’s a grown woman, and can make her own choices so enough of this “stealing her innocence” nonsense.

  71. editor

    April 14, 2008 at 9:51 am

    i would rather come here to appreciate what people do, not what they should do. the idea that she can be ‘improved’ to meet some subjective standard is counterproductive to the celebration of personal style. i have no issues with her boots or her dress or her tights, or no more so than i might with past persons whom were deemed good enough to be photographed sans critique.
    that said, she has such a heartbreakingly gorgeous face that i look forward to seeing more of it, with less hair.
    i bet you’ll wow us with whatever you do, and there is always a lot of vicarious fun from transformations because i at least always hope there is potential in me to be more/better than i am, but in doing this little pygmalion progject you will be deviating from style (a personal and creative thing) and replacing it with fashion dictatorship. so even as i might enjoy the results on some level, i will be sad about the undertaking, all the same.

  72. Sugar Bear

    April 14, 2008 at 9:52 am

    Hey – if she is willing I say go for it. I don’t care for the boots. The dress is cute. She has lovely thick hair but it does seem a bit heavy around her face. I would go too crazy short though – she may regret it!

  73. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:52 am

    well, now you’ve got me worried– i adore my boots but definitely don’t want to look stumpy…

    i’m excited to see the final results!! (but agree with previous posters that j.crew -and even gap- aren’t always affordable on a college budget. unless you have financial support from the ‘rents)

    :-)

  74. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:54 am

    Sart — your blog starts my workday — I usually hit it even before I open my e-mail. And it’s not the clothes or even the fashion that makes me visit.

    It’s your eye and ability to show a person in a single shot — not just what a person is wearing, but who a person is. You’ve done it here perfectly. Leave makeovers to those screechy shrews on TV. Your genius is in revealing and discovering, not re-doing. Thank you for sharing your art with us every day!

  75. SAM-I-am

    April 14, 2008 at 9:56 am

    NO for the short hair. Short hair is a big statement that has to reflect her personality. If she has something in mind, that’s fine, but otherwise keep it long, just take some of the weight off.

  76. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:56 am

    Her outfit/hair isn’t that bad.
    But compared to the extremely stylish people on this site, it’s sub par.

  77. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:59 am

    I’m so disappointed to see a “makeover” on this site. Growing up reading women’s magazines that are always full of makeovers where they pull someone out of the mall and make her over, I always thought it was so negative. I always wondered why they never pulled someone who looked great and ask them what their secret is, it would be so much more positive than tearing apart the way a person looks to make them “better” after changing everything about them. I was beyond thrilled when I found this site because I was excited to see someone doing just that – celebrating people instead of trying to change them or criticize them. Oh, well. Nothing lasts forever.

  78. Conor and Siobhan

    April 14, 2008 at 10:00 am

    We absolutely agree with anon at 9:35 – OPAQUES are what’s needed here to completely fix the look. ‘Barely Black’ tights/pantyhose/stockings make any woman look like a 1980s hooker. Opaque black legs would help side-step the difficult mid-calf boot line and black and navy look great together. On the hair issue, beware going too short as she has such a lovely round face; you don’t want to end up with a big bubble head! A good stylist is what you need. One last thing – and this should really go without saying – you’ve got to fit the style and hair to the girls personality.

  79. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:01 am

    Would you be doing this if she weren’t such a diamond in the rough? I am not impressed when men take a little dirty Audry and poof look how they made this gorgeous thing into a swan. Not exactly a stretch. Her boots don’t flatter her legs enough? Are you kidding me? So unless her legs look good (to you, to men), the outfit is a bust? Unfortunately you are proving that men think with one thing. Does the body always have to look “good” to translate as good style? I know you would, intellectually say “no” but here when you have to put your money where your mouth is, you’re saying that you essentially boycott this boot height because of the way it does not flatter the leg. On what planet does Thom Browne’s version of the male silhouette flatter a man’s body? I’ve never heard a woman describe her ideal man as having short legs and skinny ankles, essentially looking like an overgrown monkey in a suit. Yet regardless, many of us can appreciate the great personal style that is expressed when a man chooses such a look for himself. And your site would be less than it is if it did not celebrate those looks. Please have the same non-sex-driven eye when evaluating your female subjects.

    (ps “ina” had a great point – that a makeover only works, only respects the invidual IF you try to keep it in the spirit of her intended style. THAT would be a fantastic challenge and I deeply hope that is the one you tackle. If not, I won’t be returning because this blog will have taken a nasty turn.)

  80. Kara

    April 14, 2008 at 10:03 am

    She’s gorgeous! A bob with a bit of back-stacking (technical term, I’m sure) would be lovely, I think. Nothing entirely tidy, though.

    I wouldn’t have noticed the boots, but I’m sure you can find something nicer.

    I think you should find her some lovely greens and blues to contrast with her lovely hair. :) And, having worked at JCrew, I can assure anyone that it can be worn creatively. But I understand the desire to mix and match and invent.

  81. Cat

    April 14, 2008 at 10:04 am

    Don’t color the hair, keep her as natural as possible.

    A short, sharp bob. Hair all one length. As simple as possible.

    As far as clothes, I am stumped but I would be curious to see how apple-green looks on her.

    I’m no expert but, cher Sartorialist, you always celebrate people’s individual style and what makes them them. I’m sure you will pick something for her that is sensitive to her needs as an art student and her own personal tastes. Perhaps asking her what sort of person she aspires to be, what art/design inspires her, will give you some idea of what to look for.

  82. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:06 am

    I think you should definitely change the color of the hair to brown, with higlights, orange is no good. And what about making her to forget about medium dark panties? Dark black or nothing… Maybe a pair of wide jeans with a good top and then a big scarf?

  83. Carrie Louise

    April 14, 2008 at 10:09 am

    I have always wanted a Sartorialist make-over! I am way jealous! You will certainly do a great job.

    And if you want to help a Southern blonde, please let me know!

  84. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:10 am

    OK for some changes and shorter hair, but her hair color is the kind that doesn’t come in a bottle. Don’t touch it! Actually, with that long neck, I think just putting her hair up would do wonders.

    Darker tights, more fitted dress and a shoe with a heel would be the shortcuts to style. I expect you will be a little more ambitious though.

    Is her name really Phoenix? Or are you just being allegorical with this makeover?

  85. The Sartorialist

    April 14, 2008 at 10:10 am

    for the people that say this could be just another “dictatorial” fashion stab, it seems to me I’m asking for your opinion not just assert mine.

    also don’t you think that their is a certain percentage of people that want to improve their personal style but want a little help? That is the feeling i got from her when we spoke about this project.

    I am not trying to change her but help her find herself.

  86. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:15 am

    Let’s presume makeover is total success, will you do encore makeover with “Looks Like He Just Walked Off The Runway, Paris,” Mar. 2008, where the boots were a major issue.

    Agnelli Man

  87. Boutique Mix Fashion

    April 14, 2008 at 10:15 am

    she doesn’t look half as bad as many others. can’t wait to see the post look.

  88. Amanda Conley

    April 14, 2008 at 10:18 am

    I think she looks great…and I love the boots.

  89. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:19 am

    She has a really beautiful face which would be better framed by either a shorter bob cut or at least something that got the hair out of her eyes.

  90. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:21 am

    Honestly, I think our eye connects the round face, round dress and blocky boots. She is gorgeous but the dress turns her into a blob visually and the shoes land like a thud onto the ground. Nothing is flowing past the smile and beautiful tresses. Maybe just a longer silhouette through the middle.

  91. McTickle

    April 14, 2008 at 10:22 am

    She probably WOULD look good in a burlap sack. Personally, I wouldn’t mind her wrapped in celophane. She needs some brighter colors, and perhaps darker shades in her hair so she doesn’t look so washed out. If you want to go shorter that’s cool too, just not TOO short.

  92. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:26 am

    I think she looks great. I, like others, come here regularly and am very uncomfortable with the concept of make-over.

    This young person is very vulnerable, having her picture up on your site to be critiqued by anonymous observers.

  93. Karmander

    April 14, 2008 at 10:28 am

    Just to throw my 2 cents in…I had hair just like her’s for…oh, about 4 years…I could never get a hair stylist to cut it off because I’m overweight and have a round face and “short hair will just make my face look fatter”. So about 3 weeks ago, I went to a stylist determined to get my hair CUT OFF…and she gave me a pretty basic wedge/bob, with a perfect angle down just below my chin…It’s a gorgeous haircut, and I get compliments on it every day, and my face does NOT look fatter, and i have never been happier with a haircut. So if she’s open to it, go ahead and cut it off!

    Also, the sheer stockings…awful. The rest of the look…a little boring for my taste (could use a vest over the dress if she’s going to wear it with those boots) but at least it’s not jeans, 2 tank tops and flip flops as seems to be the student uniform these days.

  94. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:28 am

    Thanks for unintenionally providing us with a refreshing dose of unspoiled beauty.
    She’s young, fresh and perfect. No boots could spoil those legs. What’s best about her is that neither her boots nor her dress are in some strange color or pattern–and they don’t clash–so unlike so much of what passes for “style” on this blog.

  95. janaemadsen

    April 14, 2008 at 10:28 am

    I am so excited to see the makeover and how she looks better.

  96. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:31 am

    I couldn’t agree more about her hair. I think the color is beautiful but a bob would be more suitable to her face. I like the dress, however the boots really shorten her legs. Love the necklace!
    Can’t wait for the makeover!

  97. joost

    April 14, 2008 at 10:31 am

    I 100% agree with the very first comment above. Please don’t touch the hair..!

    And what is wrong with the boots? They can stay too, although I agree that for some people (i.e. those weighing over 150 kilos) it wouldn’t work.

  98. L & K

    April 14, 2008 at 10:33 am

    If she has great skin, she can pull off a short cut a la Michelle Williams, I think – but she has to want to go that short. Something chin length, with layers, would look great too. And skip J Crew and Gap – go to H&M! Much cuter selections – and they’re still paying homage to Marimekko – prints that would look great with a shorter cut.

  99. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:33 am

    Unless she is your wife, daughter or sister, back off dude.

  100. Amanda

    April 14, 2008 at 10:35 am

    I understand why you want to do a makeover. I wouldn’t say that this outfit is horrible by any means. In fact, its a look that a lot of college girls are trying to pull off. It’s definitely a trend that I am sure you are trying to break. I agree that the hair style looks a little to old for her, although I don’t feel that your hair needs to be short in order to be chic. It’s cool that this girl is open to your advice and trusts you with your “expertise”.

  101. Elizabeth

    April 14, 2008 at 10:36 am

    please don’t do anymore makeovers. i like that this site is often a declaration of positivity and individuality.

  102. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:38 am

    Leave her beautiful hair alone. You only get to have hair this thick, shiny and gorgeous while you’re young — and that’s if you’re lucky. Enjoy it while it lasts, because soon enough you’re going to be battling grey roots and post-partum hairline thinning.

    Good God. She’s stunning. Who cares if this particular dress isn’t perfectly flattering?

  103. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:39 am

    I’m assuming the young woman wanted suggestions. That being said, her style just needs tweaking, not to be made over. Please NO GAP OR JCREW. Mall stores. Not for NY. What about Army+Navy, Muji, Pearl River, or something along those lines? cheaper and more unique. As for her hair, she could definitely carry off a short do, but if she wants to keep the length (and I think her hair is fab and sexy), cleaner bangs (straight across) would reveal her beautiful eyes. As for the boots– longer motocycle/engineer boots. The style (Wellington) is good, but I think this short length doesn’t work (although would be good with jeans tucked in). Darker tights or BRIGHT tights.

  104. Mamacita Chilena

    April 14, 2008 at 10:45 am

    I just got a new haircut and I think she would look great with something similar. i got it shorter in the front, a little longer in the bag with layers
    http://ohquepasa.blogspot.com/2008/04/new-haircut.html

  105. alessandra

    April 14, 2008 at 10:46 am

    you photograph many people with much longer hair, and i’m a tremendous fan of gorgeous long hair- do you mean that the length is simply too between long and short, or just not right for her face shape? i tend to think thinning/layering her hair more might be more beneficial than drastically changing the length.

  106. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:46 am

    Please, don’t do it. What I love about your work is the celebration of found, unique beauty captured at a moment in time. To makeover a gorgeous young woman with her own endearingly imperfect style and years of evolution ahead of her is tragic, and I am appalled at some of the suggestions for “improvements” in previous comments. You’re a great photojournalist, save the styling for your professional print work. Youth and beauty this luminous do shine through potato sacks and the misguided ministries of the elders. Her hair will grow out by the time her 15 minutes are up, the peach lip gloss will hit the trash, and she can hock the J. Crew for some drawing pencils. Stay pure, leave her alone.

  107. stella

    April 14, 2008 at 10:47 am

    you’re right. she would look charmingly fey with a short cut.

  108. blackbird

    April 14, 2008 at 10:48 am

    I think she would look pretty with chin length hair, no color change…but, in truth, I don’t have a problem with her outfit. She seems pretty confident. And, if she’s an art student, I cannot imagine her being comfortable in anything from J Crew or the Gap. Not edgy enough.

  109. Carolina Lange

    April 14, 2008 at 10:50 am

    She is a beautiful girl! And I think that a short hair would look great!
    I like her dress, is cute, but not wiht the tights, do not like them.
    And about the boots, i like them, but they can not look good with the tights!

  110. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:50 am

    I’m not sure I agree with the whole makeover thing, but I understand that her look here, is not ‘finished’. Yes there’s something a little off with the photo, but in my opinion it’s mainly due to the awkwardness of her stance which probably came from her realising she was going to be used as the first Sartorialist’s example of ‘what not to do’. The hair isn’t great, but it seems that she can pull off combining navy and black without making it look like she got dressed in the dark, which I always think is quite an achievement in itself.

  111. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:52 am

    Laugh out loud post. Agree about the boots, but also agree that I love Sart. for your ability to find the good and beauty in the everyday. If you did not like her look, I would have encouraged you to simply reject the photograph. However, if she supports your little scheme, be my guest. (Don’t make this a habit) and cut that hair.

  112. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:53 am

    I think this is an awful idea

  113. Rose

    April 14, 2008 at 10:54 am

    I have always loved your blog because you are generally positive – you foto what you like, what is inspirational instead of what you don’t. I appreciate the absence of snarkiness. This make over is a new tone, but hey it’s good to experiment and see where it leads!
    She is soo Bardot!!

  114. phyllis

    April 14, 2008 at 10:54 am

    A short haircut for sure…as for a replacement to her Ugg-like boots, I think we need the help of an expert like Manolo the Shoeblogger.

  115. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:56 am

    I recently just cut my long strawberry blonde hair short. It was a good choice. a shorter style gives this unique colour a little bit of life and bounce.
    She also has a great neck that she should show off.

  116. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:57 am

    Maybe this much energy shouldn’t be paid to this topic. I recognize that what is being done is with good intentions, but I would still caution you against this. Even the defense of “don’t you think that there is a certain percentage of people that want to improve their personal style but want a little help? That is the feeling i got from her when we spoke about this project.” reminds me of the defense that colonialists and missionaries use. “but they say they want the bible!”
    It just seems like you have an opportunity to keep what you do simple and easy and a make-over really does change that. It just does. Your site is about people who do what they do. People you like. Not about people who could change what they do just a little and be better…
    I am sure she really does want the help, and I am not too concerned with whether you help her or not. But it is something else entirely to publish it on your site.

  117. michelle

    April 14, 2008 at 11:01 am

    I feel uncomfortable about the idea of a Sartorialist makeover – it’s a bit too Eliza Doolittle for me – and I like her hair the way it is.

  118. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 11:02 am

    I wished when I was her age,someone would offer a little help to me to show the potential and possibility that I could become.So I don’t see there is any negativity about getting a little make over.

    I think her hair is fine, but need to be trim and create nature layers,’cause right now her hair looks rather heavy and shapeless.

    That little dress looks rather good on her but wrong fabric and color.Something light(silk/organza?) and fresh color could complement with her angelic face.

    Sorry, the boots have to go, so as the stocking.

  119. Lauren

    April 14, 2008 at 11:03 am

    I agree on all fronts. She has one of those faces that would wear a short haircut wonderfully…I envy that and say chop away! She could probably even pull off a Twiggy haircut…it’d really show off her porcelain face, long neck and shoulders.

    In regards to the boots, I could go on forever. No matter how perfect a girls legs are, slim and long, those kind of boots don’t look good on anyone. Toss ‘em!

    I’m excited to see the results!

  120. nikabrightlightwarrior

    April 14, 2008 at 11:04 am

    honestly i like everything about her style! but i do Enthusiastically in an Facetious way look forward to seeing the outcome and the replies of the viewers!

  121. Sofie

    April 14, 2008 at 11:05 am

    Good Lord. People do make-overs all the time. If she values Scott’s opinion then why shouldn’t she have fun with it? Is it much different than having a savvy friend offer thoughts, or, even more likely, putting yourself in the hands of a hair stylist or clothing stylist?

    It’s not a permanant change. If she’s up for the path of discovery, it sounds like fun. She might even discover ways to tap more fully into her *own* personal style. And sometimes we could all use the help in seeing ourselves and our strenghts – particuarly aesthetically.

    Isn’t that why we read this blog? For inspiration? For insight into our own tastes? Or do we read it to slavishly copy others? Please, stop chastising Scott about this little project. He didn’t say he was going to turn her into a runway model. I think the goal here is to help her tap into her full potential!

    Sart, if you want someone else to make-over, come over to my house and rifle through the current eclectic stylistic disaster that is my wardrobe and post-baby hair mess on my head. I’d welcome your thoughts.

  122. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 11:10 am

    It is plainly suspicious to me that you are trying to improve this beautiful girl.
    Looking at he choices it is obvious to me that she is simply too young and she does not know herself well, I believe style comes with knowledge of oneself. I think this is dangerous territory you are stepping in to now.
    Or may be you are entitle to have a crush sometimes.

  123. it's el

    April 14, 2008 at 11:12 am

    She’s adorable. Let’s just get her hair off her face – such a pretty face! – and then get rid of the panty hose, or replace them with leggings, move the necklace to above the dress neckline or use it as a belt around her hips, or add a thick belt (not slung, tightened, but around her hips, not her waist, mind you), and then, in my opinion, her picture can show up on your blog without the word “makeover”!

    I vote short on the hair – more layers to blend the bangs…

  124. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 11:18 am

    Leave her as is and out of the Sartorialist site. Her decisions are her own and shouldn’t be molded to fit a profile I had no idea you cared about. Very disappointed to read this bit of news this afternoon. Please keep doing what you do best.

  125. Luxeat

    April 14, 2008 at 11:20 am

    I think she looks great with this hair. Cutting one’s hair is the most often solution proposed when somebody wants to go through a makeover. Why? She is beautiful like this…

  126. Ellen

    April 14, 2008 at 11:21 am

    We all use professionals everyday to help us improve our personal style (hairdressers, makeup counter artists, etc). Why begrudge Phoenix the opportunity to take advantage of assistance from someone with true style like Sart?

    And besides, has our culture become so politically correct that we can’t stand to even hear about constructive criticism given to someone that is clearly open to it (and perhaps invited it by approaching him)? I, personally, would give my left arm for input from Sart on my clothing choices.

    I’m looking forward to seeing what you and Phoenix come up with.

  127. miss milki

    April 14, 2008 at 11:23 am

    She’s so pretty! I totally understand why she’d like a little help from the Sartorialist…even if you have your own strong style (which most of us don’t at 26!) wouldn’t it be great fun to get your hair styled and go shopping with the Sart!

    3 things I’d change about the outfit… First, the boots. I hate, hate those kinda boots. They don’t do anything for anyones legs. people wear them because they’re comfy. Ballet flats or even a pair of Converse would be just as comfy and much cuter.

    The tights – they definately should be opaque

    Her hair – There’s nothing wrong with it but I’m guessing she has it long for convenience if shes’ a student – speaking from experience here! So she should prob take this chance to get a more exciting style (something she’d love to do but could never afford!) but something she can still tie up. And don’t touch the colour its gorgeous!

    Just a suggestion of some shops – real student budget shops! Definately try H&M and Urban Outfitters – lots of interesting, unique clothes but very affordable.

    Enjoy it – both of you!Sounds like it will be a great day of fun!

  128. carolinelaurence22

    April 14, 2008 at 11:24 am

    A bob, definitely. (Although it is perhaps the best bet to consult a hairdresser.) Color is lovely as it is.

    Also, her clothes make her look very young. Maybe a style to make her look more ‘twenty-something’ than ‘teen’?

  129. Elizabeth Alley

    April 14, 2008 at 11:26 am

    I agree with everything that you said. She is adorable, but would be even more pulled together with shorter hair and without those boots. I can’t wait to see the results!

  130. simplyolive

    April 14, 2008 at 11:28 am

    definitely, a short edgy bob!
    and some color–the red/blonde doesn’t work so well with her complexion.

    looking forward to your transformation…

  131. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 11:31 am

    Yeah, cut her hair to something like this (http://www.hairfinder.com/images/hairstyle2.jpg), but leave the color.

  132. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 11:34 am

    i really dont see anything wrong with enhancing her look. besides, the most important thing is that she wanted it. for people who are saying we should let her keep her personal style…she doesnt really have one. and she wants one.

    ac

  133. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 11:37 am

    Scott,

    She has the longest neck I’ve ever seen on a non-model. She looks pretty phenomenal as is. However, I think she’d appreciate the shorter hair (a chin length bob or piecy pixie would be great). Keep in mind that she DOES draw all day, and he hair must be long enough to go behind her ears or short enough to stay out of her eyes without clips.

    Her color is perfect and natural (I think), so keep that as is.

    I do think J. Crew is a good student shopping spot. I’m a student and shop there ALL the time. They have some nice graphic prints that will work well on someone with such a great figure.

    And, to the lucky young lady, you are the luckiest girl in the world! I am incredibly jealous! I can’t wait to see your results.

    Good luck at the salon!

  134. Midwest Claire

    April 14, 2008 at 11:37 am

    I think you’re completely right. She’s beautiful, and a short haircut would make her look even more so. I do think she should keep the side-swept bangs as they are now, but a really cute chin-length cut would be adorable. She’ll definitely need to have some weight taken off, so her cut doesn’t look too big on the sides.

    I think Gap and J.Crew are too basic for her. She should have something a little more fun. You could mix and match things at H&M and at thrift stores instead. The color of her dress complements her hair, so dark blues would be a great choice for wardrobe.

  135. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 11:38 am

    she is cute, i do not think she needs a huge makeover.

    haircut is a good idea though, a chin-length bob would look great on her. but for gods sake, leave that colour as it is!

    i do not get the part about the boots, really. i actually think hers could even be a bit bulgier, or at least longer. i like those boots, but they have to end at a spot where the thigh fits exactly into the shaft.

    ok, and darker tights, yes, and get rid of that necklace.

    curious to see what you both will come up with!

  136. Deb

    April 14, 2008 at 11:40 am

    I think it is good to try new things, especially at this time of year when spring and renewal are in the air.
    I’d be interested in having you shop vintage/secondhand stores as part of the makeover. They are usually very reasonably priced.

    Can’t wait to see the results.

  137. Pamcasso

    April 14, 2008 at 11:40 am

    maybe an anja rubik type haircut?? I think she’s stunning as she is. I don’t particularly care for sheer black tights, but after years of opaques they seem to be coming (see the last few collections of Nina Ricci for example). Re: the shoes- I don’t want to make anyone more perfect or of the moment- you could throw a pair of Nine West Balenciaga inspired gladiators in grey on her, and that would look hip, but I’d rather subvert fashion and throw some uggs on her. Girl’s got to walk a lot in NY!!

  138. The Fashion Assistant and her Camera

    April 14, 2008 at 11:40 am

    Do you have a ‘before’ picture that you could show us?

  139. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 11:46 am

    I must say, I think this post is a little bit rude.. Just a liiiiittle bit. No come on, she looks cute, not at all a fashion disaster as you make it sound..

  140. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 11:47 am

    why is everyone so eager to tear sart down, when its fairly clear he means well? as a college undergrad, i too am struggling to find my identity, and in the course of doing so i’ve experimented with many looks and i still have yet to find what works for me and how i want to express myself. i would totally welcome the help of someone like sart and i’m sure the girl in question was open to it and fine with everything involved. not to mention i’m sure sart will take into account her opinion as well and not just hand her stuff to wear.

    - kay.

  141. jenn

    April 14, 2008 at 11:47 am

    people need to relax…it’s just style and everyone needs help here and there. i doubt sart will just tell her what to where and how to look..but it will be a more collaborative approach. i love the idea and totally trust sart’s intentions and point of view. cant wait to see!!

  142. Stacy

    April 14, 2008 at 11:49 am

    everyone’s got an opinion today!

    scott, i’m a big fan of your site and i trust your choices.

    i think this is a fun one-off and that’s exactly what you should do with it… have fun, help her find her style and take a beautiful photograph.

    all the best.

  143. sandhya

    April 14, 2008 at 11:50 am

    well if she’s on board with it then it doesn’t seem so much a make-over as a person trying to develop a new look for themselves – that can be hard to do sometimes. and in case this is something that turns out well and you’re looking for volunteers…let me know, because I would definitely sign up.

  144. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 11:53 am

    Usually I reckon that ppl shldn’t change how they look cos of some person’s comment but in this case,I think that if the girl is game for a makeover then that shows her anticipation in change. I reckon a good stylist who go for a change taht highlights her personality best. I am thinking of The agyness Dean look. something fun, sumthing edgy as shes an art student – the prada boy cut i.e long sideways bangs and very short back. colour would definitely be platinum blonde to bring out those peaches & cream complexion while i think being a redhead would make her too severe looking. As for her dressing style… prolly somehting whimsical, something dreamy, floaty .. think stella macartney, phillip lim ish.

  145. LouiseORiordan

    April 14, 2008 at 11:54 am

    I don’t care what age she is, here’s what i think you should do
    1.Cut her hair but leave the length at the front, never mind about seeing her art, nobody said fashion has to be practical, she’ll find her own way around that. Make the cut choppy and assymetrical, that way she’ll look like she might have more prominent cheekbones, have it shorter at the back than the front.
    2. As regards colour her own is ok, but not with the colour of the dress, if she wants to keep the colour she’ll figure out what goes with it eventually. something edgier would be cool but maybe too try-hard.
    3. I think slouchy boots can work but you are right, shes needs ones that are closer to her ankle so you can see that her leg shapes toward an ankle!
    4. Different colour tights would have been way better, or none because the paleness of her skin is too stark against the black of the tights.
    5. The pendant is really non-descript too, since the dress is such a basic palette she could have used a really bright colour with her jewellery.
    6. The line of the dress is horrible, i think trousers, skinny ones, would be way better.
    7. A massive slouchy bag could have sorted her outfir in seconds.
    i like your blog, only found it recently.Louise

  146. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 11:54 am

    She need layers to frame her face better. I think her current bang is too thick and covers too much of her face. – Also, I for one saw your comments as what they were meant to be, not rude but a FYI for the girl and others who may dress that way.

  147. Hillary

    April 14, 2008 at 11:57 am

    I am of two minds about this makeover. My first reaction was that you betrayed us. What I love about your site is what others have mentioned — that you find beauty in the way people are, which has inspired me to look at myself and others with a critical eye for beauty rather than a critical eye for “mistakes”.

    At the same time, I’m curious to see how it goes. And if it were offered to me, I’m sure I wouldn’t refuse.

    I’m glad you say this will be your only makeover. If it were to become a meakeover site, you’d lose my interest. I do like when you point out WHY an outfit looks so great though (Like the boots and tights in “dogwalker” being the same color).

    Unfortunately, I don’t have the fashion know-how to suggest a hair do.

  148. Tanya

    April 14, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    I think to say that a makeover goes against the spirit of The Sartorialist is wrong. Whether Sart actually proposes a makeover or whether, as readers, we take ideas from what other people do and apply them to ourselves…is essentially adopting the opinions and styles of others to evolve our own.

    Perhaps this is a little more direct than what daily happens on the Sartorialist, but evolving and changing styles, discovering new ones, experimenting – I think all of these things best CAPTURE the spirit of The Sartorialist.

    That said, I definitely agree with a short cut.. but leave the beautiful color.

  149. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    i think that it’s stupid that “personal style” has become a trend.

  150. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    i agree completely with a make over idea.

    she’d look great with a bob.

    Also, boots would be fine if they were knee length.

    Of course heels would look great, but that would change the look too drastically.

    To some of the people who have commented: what is with all the attitude and sarcasm?

  151. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    I agree tjoyy–I’m interested to see what your idea of style is as reflected in a makeover.

    Personal curiosity aside, I also agree with Sandra. I hope this will be the first and last makeover on this site. One of my favorite things about The Sartorialist is the intelligent appreciation of individual style.

    Your post reminds me of something that one of those catty stylists in People Magazine would say, which is disappointing.

  152. Jessica

    April 14, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    She is gorgeous, and I think her hair color is amazing, but the style is a little too heavy. I like the length, though – I think she just needs to have some of the weight taken out of it. I would think that being able to pull her hair into a ponytail and get it totally out of the way would be important for her, with the drawing and all. As for clothes, I’d love to see her in teal, or in something with red or yellow accents. She has the perfect coloring to wear some bold shades!

  153. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    my first impression reading your post was ‘my god, if she did like your blog before meeting you, then she surely has to be devastated in your assessment of her, as nothing met your standards, whatever they are.’

    reading the comments I now understand she is on board with the whole idea, but I do wonder if she would have been if someone other than you approached her. she may be more enamored of the idea of you, rather than what might result.

    I am quite disappointed in this project you are taking on, and see quite a few others are too. it seems to me you are somewhat defensive in your remarks regarding our dissent. if you are going to ask for our opinions, you are surely going to have to be prepared to find, and consider, that many people don’t think this is a very good idea. personally, I would respect you more should you decide not to share what happens next – whether you go ahead with the makeover or not.

    the fact that you have asked us to consider your ‘subject’ objectifies her and allows people to judge her not as an individual, or person, at all and that leaves a terrible taste in my mouth. the last thing in the world I would want is to have the world pick me apart, inch by inch, to come up with a better version of…. me? ummm, that world couldn’t possible know me, or phoenix, from one photograph.

    instead of a makeover, let’s have a discussion about why adult women think pointing their toes inward is beautiful and not just a little creepy, or why adult women {and what seems like the entire fashion industry} think rolling their shoulders forward into a slouch is beautiful and not ridiculous. or this; maybe no discussion at all. just a continuation of the slim and beautiful, and very often ‘connected’, celebrated for their personal style.

  154. whyioughtta

    April 14, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    didn’t have a chance to read all of the comments, so sorry if this is repetitive, but because she has a roundish face, i’d leave some length around the chin but remove a lot of the volume–chin-length in front, maybe a reverse bob with less length in the back. and lots of cool layers.

    i agree with sart re: those boots. although they can be cool with a narrow slouchy pant loosely tucked in….

  155. Nelson vH

    April 14, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    She has a cute face for sure…you are right about these awful boots…her nice an slim legs could look way longer with proper shoes!
    Her hair has a beautyful colour! Keep it please!

    And generally…let this make-over-thing be the only one you do…the blog is great as it is!

    Thx

  156. amy c

    April 14, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    Sart,

    I LOVE the makeover idea! What fun!

    She’s a real pretty girl, so you’ve got plenty to work with.

    Yes, I agree, needs an updated hair cut. Very pretty face and long, beautiful neck.

    She is going to look fantastic! I bet she is thrilled.

  157. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    I have to admit, I think she looks fine, even with the construction boots. I would agree perhaps with the “she would look good in anything comment” and I am curious to see how her look changes. There is something raw about the way she was dressed in that photo that is quite suitable to her, I would hope she retains that edge in whatever makeover she gets….

    Will wait and see! In any case, its a fun idea

  158. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    I think she is so lucky! I would so much love to get a few advice like her!

    My hair is very similar: heavy, thick and slightly heavy. And like her, I also have a rather round face. I just do not have the patience to take care of my hair everyday. I went short once, and it took a year of regular visits to the hairdresser to figure out a cut that really fits. We finally came back to a square basis, made it lighter, and the banks –our main challenge!– is shorter but on the side. What I hate is when a haircut is not natural and when it looks great one day and back to difficult times the following day… And, please, keep her natural (no shade, or different colour! And not too short.)

    Regarding the clothes, I do not get the Gap thing. Most of the nice outfits you showed were made of details and accessories. Gap is the opposite of that. Why not try a second hand shop? Or at least a mix! She has a great body so there is not any limitation.

    But well this being said, you the Sart, not me… Good luck!

  159. Manoush

    April 14, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    can’t wait to see the result but she should play more with this hair color… anyway i’m sure you’ll be perfect in this new role !

  160. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    I agree that H&M is definitely one of the most affordable and more “interesting” shops for someone her age, even if it is a headache going there.

    Her neck does look really long in this photo, but I think it could be to her benefit if her hair was just up, or if she was wearing someone long earrings.

    If she isn’t comfortable chopping her hair off, I think just giving it some shape would do wonders. I have hair that thick with a natural body wave as well, and it can be annoying and awkward when it gets bottom-heavy and triangular!

    To Anon 10:15AM, I don’t think helping someone find pieces that enhance their body shape means altering their personal style.

  161. Sabrina

    April 14, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    I don’t really see anything gravely wrong here. Maybe she could switch to opaque tights or longer boots. I don’t really believe in makeovers, at least not the ones that contradict the individual’s personality. Maybe a few tips on proportion will do. But if everyone only followed what works best for their body, fashion wouldn’t be as colorful and interesting!

  162. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    A PLUS

  163. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    I love you Sart!!! I would actually love to see her in some Marlene Dietrich type of pants….or well those wide bootleg type of pants with an easy goign blouse or so ..some high heels/thicker heel ones and short hair. Btw she should do alot more with her lips(strong lipstick and simple eyes e.g just mascara)
    and of course SHORT Hair, not too short but short
    xoxox

  164. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    This girl looks incredible, who cares what she’s wearing? She looks like a French film star from the 60′s, A young Bardot maybe. If I saw her I would want to know her, as Im sure I’ve never seen such a pretty girl in all my long days. I wouldn’t change a thing. She looks like she could be the muse of a great artist long gone, the source of great inspiration to create things beautiful. I would put her picture next to the word lovely in the dictionary.

  165. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    Wow, this may be one of the worst ideas ever.

  166. Liz

    April 14, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    hahaha, this is a fabulous idea. I’m envious!

    Yes on the hair cut. Curious to see how everything pans out. Are you paying for her make-over?

  167. The Sartorialist

    April 14, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    for Anon 12:06 pm
    I welcome your dissenting point of view, that is why I am publishing it. I have always said you dont have to agree just do it with a little respect.

    I think this is making for a great conversation but i should be allowed to have a point of view and be allowed to clarify it or defend it.

  168. Danielle

    April 14, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    i think the most important point is that this girl apparently was open to, and wanted some, advice and help on the subject of appearance. i believe that someone else could have pulled off this outfit if they wore it with conviction. what it says to me is that she lacked conviction with this look, thus, making it inauthentic to her style. i don’t think sart would have approached her with such an idea if she wasn’t inviting it in the first place.

    and yes, a really sharp bob would look great on her in contrast to her amazing and soft facial features.

  169. Alice Olive

    April 14, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    Haven’t read anyone else’s comments yet but I LOVE this! What a star she is.

    1) Definitely go short. Short hair is fabulous.

    2) Short hair will emphasise that face, especially the fullness of her lips. Can’t wait.

    3) Sorry, but I disagree with you on the length of the boots she is wearing. Sometimes that length is exactly right – all depends on the individual set of legs!!

    Can’t wait to see the results!

  170. emma

    April 14, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    do not change her hair color! gorgeous gorgeous

    while i agree that her outfit is fairly hideous (that necklace! agh!) – let her pick out the clothes and maybe suggest some ways to flatter her beautiful form – personal style is something inherent, nothing you can learn – but how to dress for your shape is definitely teachable.

  171. Ronaldo

    April 14, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    OK. If she’s on board, I guess that’s cool. But look, I like her as she is. The boots give her the slightly funky insouciance that I think she’s after. Her hair is gorgeous. The length is nice because it gives her a bit of hippie dippie, which is not a criticism. Let her slouch around a little while she’s still young, for God’s sake! And let her keep her individuality. Please don’t turn her into a Gap, J Crew clone!

  172. tj

    April 14, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    If Phoenix is up for it, and if you are up for it, then I say go for it and have fun. I’ve often gone shopping with friends to get their input about what looks good on me. I sometimes will purchase something based on my friend’s suggestion that I would have otherwise bypassed. It seems to me that this proposed makeover is being done in that same spirit.
    Phoenix may get a new haircut and some new clothes that she may not have selected if she were on her own. Scott, are you planning to pay for the clothes and haircut? I hope you do. An illustration student is unlikely to have much income. You could help her to obtain a look that would otherwise be outside of her financial reach. I hope you both have a lot of fun with it. I’m looking forward to seeing the results.

  173. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    dear sart, I absolutely adore your blog, and one thing I like the most is your ability to see what is sometimes hidden and beautiful in what already exists. I guess that is why I am a little uneasy about this new idea. I guess it is great to try new things, and I know you are a kind and positive person and will approach the experiment that way. I just always thought the person’s own self-expression was the point here–although I guess it’s just one step further to be facilitated in expressing yourself, which is how you propose to help this lovely girl. To be honest, a lot of times I don’t find the ensembles here flattering to the physicality of the wearer, but I always enjoy how the wearers are telling a story about who they are thru clothes. So–I find this girl’s original outfit to be as much a valid storytelling of herself already as the “better” ensemble you will be achieving soon. anyhow, I still adore reading this blog and will tune in impatiently for step 2. thanks for all the food for thought.

  174. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    i remember when i wanted to cut my long thick hair short. no one wanted to do it. finally, i got one person to chop it all off and i LOVED it, as did everyone else. anyway, i think that an angled bob cut at what looks like her current shortest layer would be cute. no bangs. the hair color is already perfect.

    as for the clothes, it seems to me she probably enjoys the feel and comfort of that sort of loose frumpy style dress. i tend to get that same feeling from button down shirt dresses, and to a lesser extent shifts. fortunately, there are tons of those at j crew and the gap.

  175. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    wait… don’t the boots in the post right before this cut her legs at almost exactly the same point?? what’s so bad about this one?

  176. Pamcasso

    April 14, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    I already commented on this, but I just wanted to add that it seems that Phoenix wanted advice. I know if I had the dumb luck to run into The Sart on the streets I would probably beg him for advice! With such an editing eye, and appreciation for unique details, I think it would be great to know Sart’s opinion. And I don’t know what the spirit of the blog is- certainly not to degrade the way anyone dresses, but to inspire perhaps? I know that since discovering the blog two years ago it has had (as several other blogs have) a tremendous influence on how I dress myself and look at others’ style. Finishing school I found myself staring longer at other students’ outfits, and developing my eye with the help of this blog.

  177. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    So relieved to see that so many readers are so disturbed by the proposed makeover of a classic beauty into one more kid who looks like she randomly combined any items of clothing, as long as they clash!

  178. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    Her hair is gorgeous and i think it would look great short but I dont think it HAS to be, it is very youthful and she is young so i think it works. The clothes however do what you want with…

  179. Rachel

    April 14, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    Anyone suggesting her hair color change is a moron.

  180. An Aesthete's Lament

    April 14, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    Chic, short, slicked-back … very Jean Seberg during the day and 1920s flapper at night …

  181. Jen

    April 14, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    So much of what this site is about is personal style. Why take that away from her to impose YOUR personal style?

  182. tn

    April 14, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    so many people have weighed in here there is almost nothing left to be said. But let me try to say it anyway.

    This girl is gorgeous.

    I’m torn between two competing beleifs. I like anyone who has a point of view, style-wise, regardless of whether I like it. I once saw an old woman with a red coat, boots, bag and heart shaped sun glasses and nearly kissed her on her red lips. This girl has a point of view and that’s good.

    The other thing is, though — how FUN is it to re-invent, and how fascinating to be able to experiment with how someone ELSE sees us — in this case, for her to experience how YOU see her.

    I love putting myself in someone else’s hands like that.

    So, net-net. Fun project Sart! Cannot wait to see the outcome.

  183. The Sartorialist

    April 14, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    Jen 1:05 pm
    what makes you think I’m going to impose my style?

    I will give her my advice but the final decsion is hers

    S

  184. zenya

    April 14, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    I like the color of her dress, this subtle deep blue.

    It’s so interesting, how the girl will change with your advice! (her hair looks great to me though)))

  185. eggshell

    April 14, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    if i were her i would definitely choose short hair. i’d go for agyness deyn short and the same kind of blonde [ http://www.rambler.ru/style/images/15801_19.1162905159.96757.jpg ]. she has such a beautiful and characteristic face that it seems a pity to hide it! i don’t think the boots don’t look bad on her, but don’t do much for her height either. however she has great legs. the neckline in her dress isn’t any good, and distorts her body in a way. a scarf could do the trick maybe?
    darker tights would stretch her figure and give her an extra few inches in height in combination with the dark dress&shoes.
    on the other hand she could easily pull off bright colors which would give a fresher look.
    i’m curious to see how this will turn out!

  186. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    not too short hair please!

  187. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    her facial features are strong enough to carry a pixie cut. that would REALLY show off her long neck. get rid to the hair, but please leave her beautiful color. and i love the navy blue of the dress against her pale skin and lovely hair color

  188. Plum

    April 14, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    Aren’t you and 50% of your commenters a fine bunch, playing dress-up with a real live doll.

    The rain in Spain……

  189. Zari

    April 14, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    OMG I think I totally go to school with Phoenix! She was in one of my classes earlier in the semester before she dropped it.

    IF it is her, then I have to say she has really nice hair, but it’s heavy at the ends. She has a nice enough face to go short, I agree. If she isn’t comfortable with that, then she needs to go much shorter with the layers. They are way too long. I have to admit I like her bangs though. Man, I really want to know if it’s her now…without giving away everything about her life on your blog, or making you ask her questions. But it would be neat if I could talk to her and see her in person, and it wouldn’t be creepy since I know her already :)

    Anyway I hate the Gap. I find their clothes rather ill-fitting, but that’s just me. J Crew has more interesting pieces that fit better, though the price point is higher.

  190. aitch

    April 14, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Anonymous 12:06 sounds like the most sensible one here.

  191. Irene Adler

    April 14, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    Sart, do you present subjects with a business card or what? I wouldn’t want this deteriorating into some kind of copy cat thing. Very bad precedent.

  192. quan

    April 14, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Oh I can’t wait to see what she looks like after. I am a huge fan of what not to wear (tv show). She is cute but the clothes definitely are not right for her. I believe fit is the most important thing to looking put together. And those boots and dress are too big and loose and absolutely accentuate a non-existant feminine shape.

  193. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    cut it short. not alien rihanna short, but like katie holmes copying victoria short. take her to the gap for the european collection wood heels or wedges (though i personally hate wedges) they’re pretty tall so they’ll give her some height and will lengthen her legs in a pretty sexy way. wideleg trousers or a sharp pencil skirt. i don’t know- you’re the genius. i am looking forward to this!

  194. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    I couldn’t agree more, the girl in the picture needs make-over badly. I like her hair, legs, arms, and – probably – waist. And her skin tone.

    I don’t like the way her neck is exposed now (it totally ruins any balance between the upper and lower parts).

    As for colour, I would say some violet/cobalt/periwinkle perhaps with a speck of rich green? Some colour to highlight the shades of her hair and complexion. Black is ok with me :) as I am a passionate corporate goth myself, but still, I think, some hiacynth-like colour would flatter her.

    I would like to see her eyes, too. So maybe a shorter fringe?

    As for shoes, yes, these are absolutely awful. I would say, she needs some heels – or at least a style that clings to the calf, like combat boots, versus such a shapelss soft boots.

    The skirt/dress could be short, but with an accented waist please (a belt maybe? an A line skirt?) On the other hand, some high-collar blouse (with a emroidered frill perhaps – could be net/transparent at the top) would suit the model better than the original neckline. And short sleeves please, to show her perfectly slim arms.

    All said, I can imagne her in off-mauve (or off-cobalt) hight-collar blouse (pleated on the front, with some funny little purple buttons), an A shaped hight-waisted full black skirt (could be calf-lenght), black opaque tights, black wedges, and – a deep green wide belt.

  195. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    she has great hair, with the thickness i wouldn’t go too short, and definitely don’t change the color!

    definitely agree about the sheer hose and boots.

    she’s adorable though, so it shouldn’t be hard to give her a makeover.

  196. daniel

    April 14, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Please don’t change her hair. I think it is her most distinctive feature. Giving her shorter hair will just emphasize her wide neck. Just get rid of the boots and fishnets and something with a more flattering neckline but DON’T change the hair!

  197. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    she is beautiful and if she wants a “makeover”, then i trust sart to do it in a way that will be unique and interesting and personal. her hair is amazing and although i think a short cut will do more to highlight her lovely face, it’s sad to see any of the hair go.

  198. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    The length of the hair is fine but it needs more shape, so does that dress. I like the boots.

  199. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    Short hairstyle will look good on her, I think it fits her face.

    Good luck on the project, Sart.

    W

  200. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    It sounds as if most of you anti-make-over readers out there could be described as “frequent” judging by some of your comments. And I would think, that if you’re a frequent reader of a fashion blog, you’ve at least picked up a magazine before or dare I say, browsed its contents and seen a near-monthly amount of press-induced make-overs in your life. So allow me to assess this case in simple terms.

    1. There is a man who employed by fashion.
    2. There is a girl who is willing to up her fashion game.
    3. There are people excited to see the outcome.

    So please, my fellow readers, unless we are all willing to send a barrage of editorial pieces to the last issue of any grocery store stand mag, I suggest we all keep our comments to boots and hair lengths. Remember, it is a blog.

  201. Brandy B. Wine

    April 14, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Well I like the idea of a makeover. When we think makeover we tend to think daytime talk show. However, what the Sartorialist is doing seems organic. There is no theme or getting someone to go opposite of their sensibilities.

    I personally would welcome the advice of someone like the Sartorialist. Sometimes we need a change and don’t know what to do and the advice of a well known stranger like the Sartorialist is welcomed.

    The hate is so strong from some of you. I think something about the phrase “make over” makes us cringe. Don’t take everything so literally. The only definite thing the Sartorialist suggested was a short hair cut. Calm down and wait.

    Last, how can you even suggest she will be made into a clone. The one thing I like about this blog is that not everyone looks the same. They look expensive but never the same.

  202. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    I’ve been a viewer of your site for a very long time. The main reason I return to your site again and again is because of the way you impeccably showcase raw style and natural beauty.

    However, I’m a little disappointed with this recent post as its goal is to alter something and not showcase its inherent beauty.

    Fashion is about individuality and personal expression. You’ve done a feature in the past about a young asian girl that moved to New York from a more suburban part of the country and found her outlet of expression through fashion and personal style on her own terms. All of which was a natural progression that was gradually achieved at her own pace.

    Phoenix reads your blogs. She absorbs your imagery and the person you see before you is how she has interpreted what you post daily on your site.

    I have not read the 200+ posts that have preceded my entry and apologize if this is a mirror of a previous comment.

    I absolutely respect your site, vision and body of work but I also firmly believe that in this instance, the natural beauty and uncomplicated style of this young lady should be appreciated for what it is and not highlighted for its imperfections.

    There are already enough young women out there with esteem issues because they thought they were moving through life just fine until someone came along and told them that they needed to change something to look better or be more revered or appreciated within a particular social circle.

    Respectfully yours,

    s.

  203. the swede

    April 14, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Yeah, I think short hair would suite her well, those boots makes her legs look bigger than they are and those hoes are wrong wrong wrong!
    I think J. Crew is a good place to go, nice prices and good clothes!!

    good luck!! I’m sure you’ll do it perfectley!!

  204. Pose

    April 14, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    She would look great with an Agness Deyne style crop. She seems to protude confidence so I am sure she will be able to pull it off.

    But, I slightly agree with the comments above, you have said in previous posts that you never like everything in a picture, and that it can sometimes be a small item like a scarf that catches your eye and that is why you photograph them. So why did u photograph her if you do not like anything aout her choices?

    Great website though. Can’t wait to see what you do.

  205. dlittlegarden

    April 14, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    Ouch! I totally disagree with you, Sartorialist! When I first read your tag line and saw the young lady’s picture, I thought surely it must be the “after” picture from the makeover! She’s lovely! In regards to the boots not doing anything for her legs- she doesn’t need anything done for them! Is a slender shape the only aesthetic quality a young woman should be concerned with when dressing in the morning?

  206. sromeo

    April 14, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    I think short is a great idea. And I think that she could handle either a much darker OR much lighter color. I don’t know how I feel about the in between lightness. Can’t wait to see the results!!

  207. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    She can always put her hair up. Shorter hair is 1.5 hairstyles, and with the .5, there’s the worry of using barettes and such that are too young, or too sparkly, or don’t match, etc. Longer hair like this has the ability to look like shorter hair, but you can do other things with it without getting too silly. (I say this as a woman who has had pixies and bobs and eventually went back to keeping her hair about shoulder-blade-length.)

    The boots, OTOH… I have boots like that. They’re the only things warm, comfortable, and stable enough for winter weather where I live. I would never, ever, *ever* wear them with a skirt. They don’t look hideous with boot-cut pants, though those admittedly aren’t the most fashionable things these days.

  208. betty

    April 14, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    Geesh…lighten up, people. It’s just a photo for the internet afterall. (I love your site, Sart. I read it with a lot of light heartedness.) She’s a lucky girl to have this opportunity to open new doors in her fashion psyche.

    Everyone should have a great short haircut once in their life. Have fun!

  209. Randir Vithren

    April 14, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    Ah, playing a little Pygmalion.I can’t wait to see how she turns out.

  210. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    I’m sorry, but I find this whole concept, well, creepy. Older (sorry!) man wanting to “transform” (very) young woman. Hmmm. Pygmalion, Vertigo–no thanks.

    Please stick with photographing the style of individuals, at which you are very, very good!

  211. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    I have to agree with many of the others who’ve reacted negatively to this. She’s a stunning looking young girl who, yes, could probably do with trying something new but is (yes) young and cute enough not to care. What she wears doesn’t improve her looks but it certainly dpesn’t take away from them. The young lady below’s boots below aren’t exactly setting the world on fire and there are plenty of other better targets for a makeover in NY. Ripping her outfit to pieces seems a little harsh and while you have her blessing on all this I just think there are much more needy cases out there for a makeover. Let her enjoy being fresh-faced, beautiful and awkwardly dressed until she’s hits that age when you actually have to start worrying about all that jazz.

  212. Uinku

    April 14, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    Yes, a bob would suit her beautifully, and I also agree that she could pull off a pixie cut. Her hair right now DOES look a bit old fashioned, but that doesn’t necessarilly have to be a bad thing, you can go all the way old fashioned (in a good way,with the clothes) and make it work for her. I agree on the boots to some extent. She made the mistake of wearing them under a dress, if she would’ve worn a pair of skinny jeans and a snug, tucked in blouse, it would’ve worked. Because right now, the boots and skirt devide her legs into three, which makes them look shorter.

  213. Sztywniara

    April 14, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    I don’t believe what I’m reading here. First I thought it was a joke but then realized you’re quite serious. I’m speechless.

    I can’t see why would you something like that, unless she specifically asked you to. Otherwise, please don’t. She looks gorgeous and in my opinion doesn’t need any make-over to earn her place on this blog.

  214. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    I keep thinking that the idea of a makeover is altogether wrong. She is an art student and should be exploring different looks for herself, even if they aren’t perfect for Sart.

    It’s about observing each persons unique style, that’s why we love the site.

  215. Haruka

    April 14, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    The dress itself is quite awkward in fit. A nice pair of flats would be a great present too.

    As for the hair, she has to straighten it from the roots. It seems like it has volume in the wrong places. And I hope she gets a nice spring wardrobe! This looks tres autumn.

  216. Kiki

    April 14, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    The young lady likes your eye for fashion. She didn’t say anything about the posters to your site.

    I say ignore the nuts. She’s entrusted you – you’re the one that should take the lead.

    I’m looking forward to viewing the results. Like her, I enjoy seeing your vision. Helps me to look outside my own box when getting dressed.

  217. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Don’t do it! This a a wonderful sensible blog and it would change the tone and mood of the community. I get your point, but let her find her grace and moment through reading the blog like most of us. I would admit that I am a better dresser because of the hints of style that you provide, but its been more organic and subtle than what is being proposed. You are good and I love this Blog! It is my style oxygen.

  218. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    she’s an art student. she should do something that showcases her creativity. if it were me I’d pick up a plain t-shirt/or dress from american apparel –white would be fine but color could be nice –and i’d draw some illustrations on it. voila! custom outfit, very inexpensive, and free advertising for her craft!

  219. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    yes–short–will be fun–it will always grow back…plus she is an artist so it is appropriate…I happen to like the boots but go for it!

  220. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    I don’t get it. You have photographed many a lass in slouchy boots or cowboy boots. The girl from last winter with the orange tam and the Frye’s campus boots sticks out. Or for that matter, the girl with the brown boots one post down. Although personally I’d prefer them under some boot cut pants, they aren’t so new to the site as you’re making it sound.

    Her hair seems fine to me except it’s a bit overgrown, I think the style would work if it was about 2 inches shorter. I like the dress OK but I think I would prefer it as a tunic.

  221. Amber

    April 14, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    I’m am surprised to see such polarized views here. It seems to be that this will really be more of a “collaboration” than a “makeover.” If that is true, I would avoid making clear declarations about how she should change. However, it looks from the photo that she needs to focus her look somewhat — that some changes would actually help her express her individuality more.

    Overall, I think she needs balance. Now she has very heavy hair contrasting against a thin neck and thin legs. Also, her hair and skin are pale and translucent, so the solid dark colors seem to overpower her coloring. My eye is actually drawn most to her neck/chest, because it is the lightest part. Instead, I think you should work to draw focus to her face, be it with color, a new hair-cut, or clothes of different proportions.

  222. Tapper

    April 14, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    Sart,
    I have been reading your blog for about a year and have found much inspiration and joy in your photos, which also holds true for this one. But. Phoenix is exquisite in her own way – why make her over? If you feel her neck needs some exposure, put her naturally beautiful hair up but don’t cut it off. Being a Swede, but having lived in the Bay Area for five years, I am well aware of the American love of a great haircut but, please, consider instead a cool upswept do with spiky ends. Keep the dress, find a nice short demin jacket and get her a pair of real Frye biker boots and finish off whith an opaque pair of tights. Done and “basta”.

  223. Andrew

    April 14, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    This is not a good direction for you to take. Your blog is wonderful for its positivity. This takes it into a dangerous territory of tackiness.

  224. Jacqueline

    April 14, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    I agree – the hair is too long. A choppy bob or pixie cut would suit her.

  225. tan

    April 14, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    i dont think cutting her hair short will do the trick. short hair will only ascentuate her long neckline and also limits her choices in tops.

    her hair just needs some trimming, shortening it slightly, no shorter than the middle of her neck. drama bangs might also do the trick for her.

  226. Lux

    April 14, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    This is the first comment I have left on the site, despite being an admiring visitor for a long while. What draws me to The Sartorialist is the great gift you have not just for giving us glimpses of aspirational fashion, but the idiosyncratic – and not always superficially ‘aesthetic’ – moments in which you see a person who has shifted the mundane, quotidian act of dressing into a piece of self-expression. This is what is so potentially exciting in your blog, and what made me read this last post and respond with an emphatic NO! Although I can see that this project is well-intentioned, fairly innocent and even quite generous in a way, it seems to skew its underlying belief in individuality. I believe, at this age – I am assuming she is under twenty – dressing is not simply about learning how to make the most of your natural assets. It should, surely, be about working out who you are – this is something nobody can tell her. And the back and forth so far here shows how much ‘looking good’ is a matter of opinion. Even though your advice may not be prescriptive, there is an immense amount of power behind your public persona, her admiration for you, and the anonymous opinions of all those in this forum. I think that, despite your intentions and her agreement, this process is an abuse of that power. What would the reaction of one of your older male or female subjects be to such suggestions? Is her age a factor here? Is she impressionable or insecure at all by nature? What teenager or girl in their early-twenties isn’t? These are the questions and thoughts that occurred to me, in any case, while I spent the last twenty minutes thinking about why this post left me feeling so darned uncomfortable.

  227. leslie

    April 14, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    How is it that you like the boots the “The Dogwalker” is wearing, yet you don’t like this girl’s boots? The Dogwalker’s are only a bit taller, and even more clunky. I guess you could argue that The Dogwalker’s lace up and thus are more form fitting, but not very flattering nonetheless. I think the art student’s outfit is very age appropriate.

  228. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    It’s funny, because in the picture below- the woman has the exact same length of boots.

    The tights are not working- neither the necklace. The rest- meh- she’s a kid with great style- I mean she reads your blog doesn’t she?

  229. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    Think Giovanna Battaglia in one of her edgier looks and you have my version of this young ladies makeover…

    I have no idea about the hair, but I would like to see more face and less hair, though I think really short won’t work as well as some think… She’s sexy not cute, that needs to come out better

  230. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    She needs a funky a-symmetric bob!!
    The cut should be high at the back, so lots of volume.
    I love her hair colour, but she needs some good colour in her outfit to brighten it, not in the hair itself- keep it natural.

  231. Gemma

    April 14, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    How unbelievably mean of you! Your comments will probably live with her for a long time, if not the rest of her life whether you “fix” her or not.
    The boots are great and you can see she has fantastic legs why should she wear shoes that emphasize her legs for a purely male idea of what is sexy?! The tights are great also. They’re so fine in comparison to the biker boots. And her hair is the most amazingly beautiful color- how could you not mention this?
    You really have photographed many people who look far far worse than her.
    I’ve always been a fan of your blog and hoped to one day bump into you, but now I think I’d hide from you if I saw you in the street because I know my confidence certainly could not withstand a battering like this.
    If you don’t like the look of someone, just don’t photograph them.

  232. The Sartorialist

    April 14, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    for Lux 3:28

    I said before she is 26

  233. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    “the final decision is hers” you say. the final decision on her outfit that she’s wearing here was hers and you’re dismantling that quite well, so forgive me if i am uber dubious as to your ability to merely support and not create a new look for this girl.
    you are going against everything i’ve given you credit for in the past, as a fan of style.
    shame on you, and please don’t blame her willingness to do this as your justification.
    anyone who truly respects and appreciates personal style would not go near this type of undertaking with a ten foot pole.
    another question – who is going to pay for this change? because if the services and clothing are donated, then i, for one, do not like seeing you turn this venture into the exploitation of not one girl, but all your readers as well, as it becomes a blogomercial. if not, if she or you are paying, why even mention the sources? we don’t know where your other subjects outfit themselves…

  234. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    Just because she’s an art student, that doesn’t mean that she has to dress like what “an art student” is understood to be and look like..that’s no different than fitting into the “fashion-look” now is it?
    Style clones do not just exist in the world of Paris Vogue and Fashion Week(s).

  235. Conor and Siobhan

    April 14, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    Goodness gracious. 236 comments and counting. This must be some sort of record. Well Mr Sartorialist, this one is certainly exercising our little community and that’s no bad thing. It’s all about discussion and exchange of ideas no? Just so long as everyone remembers it’s not a matter of life or death. Just style.

  236. vitasenzafine

    April 14, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    the hose really confuse me as well.
    honestly, i think the length on thehair could be a little shorter and to thin it out with the proper kind of layers could work.

  237. Pretty Pirate

    April 14, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    I am a hair designer here in SF and in my opinion she could do long hair as well as short. But for a change I think she should go with the long side swiped bang and cut the back short. Like Sienna Miller had hers recently. And for the color, the only thing I would ever do to her beautiful red hair is add a few highlights to the fringe.

    here is a pic of the cut i mentioned
    http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z268/babydc_/?action=view&current=sienna-miller-picture-3.jpg

  238. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    is this the longest thread on the site?

    I am very interested in how this concept is striking a chord with your readers. sart, you are the best!

  239. Tulips0226

    April 14, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    Here we go:

    It is not to find a make over hair cut but to identify the inner self. I think she is a Modern gypsy, or Urban bohemian type. Boots is her style. She needs a higher heel a little bit, or may be a gladiator sandal and a peasant skirt in good silk. Embelished blouse. Hair: KEEP IT> Period. Pony tail. To make the volume more flexible to take off some inner layers. And Misouko to smell dreamy.
    I hope she will read what I had to offer.

  240. lis

    April 14, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Wow, Sart, such controversy. Personally, I think it sounds like fun. I mean, hey, she’s a 26 year-old woman, who, I’m sure is able to make her own decisions, but don’t we all, every once in a while, need someone to help open our eyes to new possibilities, to tap into our hidden potential?

    My only concern is that because she’s a student, a pixie cut or angled bob might be a bit much for her budget to keep up. I had a pixie for years. I loved it, but because my hair is thick (like hers) and grows ultra-fast, it took constant trimmings to keep it short and to keep the weight out of it. Totally worth it, though!

    I look forward to seeing what you and Phoenix come up with!

  241. Rykiel

    April 14, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    her face is perfection, so if she was willing, I would cut her hair all off. a straight up lengthier short boy cut (and do keep the color). Pop those lips with a MAC very nude or a brite that works with those tresses. I would then keep her simple in the perfect blue/worn wash denim, fitted com de garcon t and a stupid heel; high enough to touch heaven. (With this look, she could play with earrings, esp. lengthy ones, lip color and eye liner). Play on

  242. pikake

    April 14, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    I do love this site, but there is something in the age differential as well as the vibe in general here that I’m finding creepy and condescending. How old is she exactly?

  243. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    screw the makeover. did she ask you for it? who made you the queen bee of style? she’s a student in the east village–what’s stylish about her is that she put herself together on her own instead of listening to an online peanut gallery full of haircut suggestions. go back to soho if you’re looking for edgy haircuts and expensive, form fitting boots. and if you’re desperate to do makeovers, get yourself a reality tv show–god knows we could use another one.

  244. Lola

    April 14, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    what a great idea. i can’t wait to see the results of this project. for all you critics: she’s 26, so she’s old enough to speak for herself, if she agreed then i don’t think there’s anything wrong with this idea. sart: don’t listen to the negative comments, the people are just jealous:)

  245. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    I think she would look great in a green dress. Something a little lighter than this: http://www.catwalkqueen.tv/jennifergarnergreendress.JPG
    would look good i think.

  246. hockers

    April 14, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    she looks very comfortable with herself to me and that’s what style is all about – the boots are fine – come to london – relax a little

  247. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    I think a cut to a chin length bob…you can get a taste of what she’ll look like on the left side of the photo…one of her shortest layers comes right under her chin. I do like the color, but think she would look great a little more stawberry blonde with her peaches and cream complexion.

  248. Caterina

    April 14, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    I understand the fascinating idea, but I feel embarrassed.

    It is so embarrassing to give suggestions about how she could be upgraded or tuned. If she needed some help by you, then it is something personal between you and her and not to be discussed in public.

    It is pretty courageous of her to expose herself that way, but to speak for myself, I dont want to see that. She is beautiful the way she is.
    Why does she need/ want to be shaped to fit into the visual habits of the majority?


    I said it before in another contribution, that didn´t appear here unfortunately, it is very delicate to judge an outfit apart from the person wearing it.

    I appreciate the discussion that you started with your make-over-idea!

  249. p&c

    April 14, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Leave her alone!–especially her great hair! She looks a lot better than some of the el weirdos you’ve photographed.

  250. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Sart — Your comments are just plain mean and hurtful. Completely out of character for you. She probably had no idea what she was getting into when she agreed — 241 comments and counting! Thankfully most of them are positive in spirit rather than harsh. Surprisingly, your are the worst, Sart. Shame on you. Really disappointing. I think she looks fine.

  251. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    I’ve always enjoyed this blog because it celebrated individual style in such a positive way. Now we have a post about a girl’s “thick neck” and “unflattering” boots and an open call for posters to suggest a makeover. WTF? I’m incredibly disappointed.

  252. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    She is adorable but i absolutely hate what she is wearing. To me it looks like bad “hipster” fashion, ie stretchy, too short dress ala American Apparel and “cool” boots that are really ugly. She just needs something a little more tasteful, more befitting a woman who is studying in college. I bet that money is an issue, though, so if you really want to dress her on a college budget you should try cheaper stores like H&M or Forever 21 or Target. Good luck!

  253. Adam

    April 14, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    She’s absolutely perfect the way she is. No need to tamper.

  254. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    keep the great side bang she’s got going, but cut the rest of into a short bob, and leave the colour! it’s gorgeous!

    and i agree that the boots are bad, and the dress is decent, but not special enough…not for a sartorialist picture anyways. i don’t know if the kind of personal style seen on some of the other ladies and gents in your photos is the sort of thing that can be taught, though.

  255. Decent

    April 14, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    What makes this fashion blog unique is your respect for individual styles and your ability to see style in people that might not consider themselves “fashionable.” In the fashion industry, where fashion magazines and clothing companies are constantly dedicating style and establishing a hierarchy of “Do’s” “Don’ts”, this blog I thought is more interested in redefining fashion and finding inspiration. I am sad now that the Sartorialist is a global fashion force it has succumb to narrowly defining it self as a specific look, that can be applied to “help” people. Rather than celebrating the diverse meaning of fashion and personal style, it seems like you have taken on the monumental task of helping mediocre dressers look better. Please leave it to Tim Gunn.

  256. miss cavendish

    April 14, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    It’s fascinating to read all the comments that this new venture has inspired. I think that photo is actually quite flattering because of the young woman’s creamy skin and golden dark blonde hair.

    But you’re right to note that her hair is heavy–and are even inspiring me to give short a second look for my next appt. I’m impatiently waiting for Phoenix’s new look.

  257. Lorentzo*

    April 14, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    LOVE*

  258. Lorentzo*

    April 14, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    LOVE*

  259. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    my main question here is this: how did you go from not liking to boots to GIVING HER A FULL ON MAKEOVER?!! this is ridiculous!!! that dress is nice and the hair is beautiful AS IS.

  260. Designing MILLIE

    April 14, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    Short hair and boots are both for girls with some personality.

    With that said, I think she’ll probably be game for short hair… I have the ever so popular wedge bob…. I love it but everybody and their mothers has it right now…..If she’s up for it, how about a pixie?? With a gorgeous face like that, she could really rock it!

  261. The Sartorialist

    April 14, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    decent said

    ” I am sad now that the Sartorialist is a global fashion force it has succumb to narrowly defining it self as a specific look,”

    how did I define a specific look? I don’t even know how she is going to turn out?

  262. aziza

    April 14, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    Oh that’s so awesome! I think it should be a regular thing like maybe a monthly makeover.

  263. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    I wouldn’t go too short on the hair,maybe some layers.The outfit is a bit blah,but I wouldn’t get too conservative-she is an art student after all-maybe something kind of mod.

  264. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    Unfortunately all this nasty comments on the wrongness of this project are true… Then again this is your party and you style if you want to! But I would not interfere with the roots of this blog which are individuality and self expression.
    This sexy little thing needs nothing besides her beauty
    she is a mini Nico, cute and young. In my mind she has a very definite style, ” East Village Little Red Riding-hood”. The only problem is that it does not fit yours or this blog. Live her alone please, don’ be The Wolf.

  265. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    I think she could use a trim and maybe wear her hair up. Earrings instead of a necklace. Different neckline on the dress, shorter sleeves, and a lighter color or a pattern to reflect the season OR different shoes with some color and the black dress (since she’s in NY and everyone is wearing black). Also, where is her handbag?

  266. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Normally you are not arrogant but this time? Maybe a little.

    You hardly base a makeover on seeing someone one time. She needs to look bad all the time to merit coming in and taking her own choices away from her.

    The boots would be awful on Carmen Kass’ legs but oh well, isn’t that what this blog is all about? Not being professionally styled?

  267. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    Your site is my all time favorite and mostly because the people you chose to photograph don’t just follow mindless trends, they wear whatever they feel comfortable in. For me, this whole makeover trend contradicts the original initiative of your site and is becoming more tabloid-ish.

  268. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    dear sartorialist-
    this is pretty mean on your part, the blog is about capturing those with great personal style. if you don’t like what she’s wearing don’t bother to dash it just leave it alone.

  269. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    She is a exquisite young woman, a natural beauty; Her hair, her complexion– She could have stepped out of a painting by Titian or Botticelli! I’d say she needs a haircut–don’t we all?–just to get her hair back in shape, but I don’t know that she needs to do anything dramatic. The color is luscious.

    To my eye, the proportions of this particular ensemble don’t work: I think the boots may not be to Sart’s taste, but to my eye, the real problem is the length of the hem. It chops her off mid-thigh. Had she pulled on a pair of jeans instead of hose or used darker hose–something to smooth the transition from hem to boot–and/or if she had had put some accent color on top, a spot of red or green in jewelry, handbag or scarf, I think the basics of this outfit would have worked.

    I wonder if she didn’t have time, energy or right accessories when she dressed this morning. Little did she know that Dame Fortune had planned a rendevous with the fashion blogosphere today! Thanks to her for being a good sport about this! She is beautiful in many ways!

  270. aziza

    April 14, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    I was just reading a few of the comments that are against the idea and I think that they totally misunderstand you and really do no justice to her. They’re behaving as if she’s some small child who can’t make decisions for herself and that you’re knowingly leading her away from her true self blablablabla. Makeovers aren’t about turning people into clones, they’re about turning people onto new ideas and trying out things they’ve never done before. In many cases, without constructive criticism people stagnate. In a way you’re taking the role of a best friend who says, “I think you might look better in something more like this.” And she may agree or disagree. Makeovers don’t necessarily forfeit personal style. And I mean geez, she’s 26, I think she’s old enough to say, “I’m sorry Sart but that’s an ugly dress and I’m never wearing it.” And I think you’re old enough to say, “Well, you don’t have to wear it. We’ll find something else.”

    People can be such haters.

  271. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    Hi
    Yes she needs to cot her bangs, and the necklace is ugly…
    The boots is ok, just not whit dresses but in skinny jeans for example because that thing of the legs.

    Kisses

  272. aziza

    April 14, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    I was just reading a few of the comments that are against the idea and I think that they totally misunderstand you and really do no justice to her. They’re behaving as if she’s some small child who can’t make decisions for herself and that you’re knowingly leading her away from her true self blablablabla. Makeovers aren’t about turning people into clones, they’re about turning people onto new ideas and trying out things they’ve never done before. In many cases, without constructive criticism people stagnate. In a way you’re taking the role of a best friend who says, “I think you might look better in something more like this.” And she may agree or disagree. Makeovers don’t necessarily forfeit personal style. And I mean geez, she’s 26, I think she’s old enough to say, “I’m sorry Sart but that’s an ugly dress and I’m never wearing it.” And I think you’re old enough to say, “Well, you don’t have to wear it. We’ll find something else.”

    People can be such haters.

  273. Stefan

    April 14, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    Being Mr. Higgins can be quite funny (really), but his manners is not the best thing to follow.

    Dolls are quite boring as well.

  274. Kira Fashion

    April 14, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    Sart, you are great,
    but i don´t see nothing wrong with that girl…

    if i wanna change, for a personal reason, i wouldn´t like a hundreds of people talking about my rights and wrongs…

    a kiss and a hug,
    Kira

  275. Leah

    April 14, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    A very mixed response to this post and I’m not in the least bit surprised. Whilst I am not personally in favour of ‘makeovers’, I can see that, on occasion, you do need to see other people’s ideas so as to develop your own. I don’t think she needs to be ‘altered’ as it were, but if she’s willing to try it out, then there really is no harm. As long as she’s not forced into anything she dislikes (I don’t imagine you as this sort of person anyway). You may do better calling it a ‘style experimentation’ as opposed to ‘makeover’ though – it seems it may describe what you’re doing more accurately.

    Regarding shops, I don’t know what’s available in New York (or indeed America in general) but why don’t you try some of those great little shops I imagine a city like NY has? If you’re looking to try something new, surely you’d do better than going to the typical chain stores – after all, in a city, you would think you’re usually are spoiled for choice.

    Just my thoughts there. Hope you both have fun on this little adventure!

  276. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    I think she’s beautiful. Tom.

  277. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Please leave this girl alone!! I love her hair and that dress. individualism is the key to a happy life!! (well maybe she should lose those boots…but thats all!!) I will be disappointed if you actually go through this.

  278. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    how cool, look how many comments. this project has definitely sparked some interest. i’m totally looking forward to the results. p.s. just ignore the critical comments. this is a wonderful idea

  279. sara

    April 14, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    i’d go for a anja rubik haircut.

  280. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    personally I don’t see the big deal in suggesting a makeover. People do makeovers ALL THE TIME! to be honest, I don’t see anything “indidivual” in her style, therefore I don’t see the harm in changing it a little bit. If she is going to wear trendy clothes she should at least flatter her figure.

    but I literally laughed out loud when you said “because she is a student….gap and J.crew … for reasonably-priced..” JCREW for a student? very funny! as a student I can barely afford their clearance rack.

  281. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    I like her hair. IMO, most women can’t pull off short hair–or they at least look better with it long.

    And her legs look plenty shapely to me, mid-calf boots or no.

    Of all the people you’ve profiled on the site, this woman is hardly the one I’d choose for a makeover. She looks cute, comfortable, and individualistic.

  282. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    A little bit narrow-minded, perhaps? She is beautiful and does not need any help.

  283. Ola Ole

    April 14, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    Oh I don’t know… I guess makeovers are fun, but I like her style. It’s unique.

  284. Tara

    April 14, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    I find it surprising that so many are so touchy about the make-over idea. As if style originated entirely from within a person, with no recourse to outside ideas.

    Instead, I think style is more of an in-flux thing, as you adapt what works for you with ideas and inspiration from others. Rather than being something sacred to oneself, I think style is a bit like the other arts, painting or music. You can have innate talent (as this girl evidently does already) but still need tips, ideas, and coaching from the outside world.

    Which is what the Sartorialist does so well…while I’m at it I’d like to say thank you so much for this blog. It’s my daily dose of how life can be lived brilliantly. I think the make over-idea will bring an different and interesting angle into this.

  285. concupiscence

    April 14, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    wow, i imagine you’re still reading all the comments, and i could only get through about a half of them. anyway, my opinion on this is fairly similar to that of anon 12:48 (except about the flattering part). but i think if she’s excited about it, you should definitely do it.

    two things though. first, your loved ones must have a wonderful nature and an amazing strength of character. not because you’d be doing *anything* wrong, but because everything you do is so public right now and gets misrepresented to an abominable extent. case in point: anon 8:23. second, many or most women will want to do everything a man whose work they deeply admire suggests. i could almost bet it’s the same when genders are reversed, but i’m not a man to say it with confidence. it can make a collaboration a bit uneven if the more influential party is accidentally oblivious of it. i hope this makes some sense and that you, Phoenix (she’s got a beautiful face and adorable figure), and your readers have great fun during this little project.

  286. Miranda

    April 14, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    Wow, I’m really surprised at how many of your readers seem genuinely offended at this idea!

    Come on, guys! She’s 26–a grown-ass woman who is capable of making up her own mind, not a vulnerable little girl. In addition, I take umbrage with the Eliza Doolittle comments. Did anyone watch the whole movie?? Although Henry Higgins initially treats her quite condescendingly (like a doll), by the end of the film, it’s clear that she has become even stronger and more sure of herself as a result of her “makeover.”

    That said, I think a chin-length cut would look great on her. Maybe even shorter!! Don’t change the color, though. Because she’s so pretty, I also think simple clothing is the way to go. But you’re right: she probably would look good in a potato sack, too.

    Keep up the good work, Sart! I love your blog.

  287. amy c

    April 14, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    Lord have mercy. I can’t believe some of the posts here. Some of you folks make it sound like the lecherous Sart is luring poor urchin girls off the streets into his dark kingdom to steal their identities.

    For god’s sake, all he is doing is taking this consenting 26-year-old to JCrew to see play up her look.

    Ease up, people. There is way too much fear in the world. Have trust in the creative process. Sart will prevail!

  288. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    Why haven’t you responded to any of the comments about your narrow and sexist view of what “looks good”? (re: the boots) Is it because that is the one front on which you feel you can’t logically defend yourself?

  289. Asian Models Blogger

    April 14, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    I don’t like the hair either but I don’t do anything too drastic. It definitely needs some warmer colors and maybe some layers.

    But it would be interesting to see her in a drastic haircut, like Rihanna’s.

    Good luck on your make-over. The girl is very BRAVE and LUCKY to have the opportunity to play along.

  290. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    The lady´s lovely. Really looking forward to it.

  291. Shen-Shen

    April 14, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    I was just thinking about you and this site when I was in NYC yesterday.. If only I could find you and have you take a picture of me!

  292. OndrejS

    April 14, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    Get all her hair out of her face: Yes
    Cut it too short: I wouldn’t
    I know its a bit more pricey but I can so see her with a Missoni dress. Those colors would go great with her hair and eyes…

  293. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    A Make-over and the Sartorialist are to me a contradiction in terms.

    Sart, you share beauty. And, if anything, beauty is the mystery of attraction. When the people you photograph ‘get it right’ we onlookers gain pleasure – I would say – from tasteful fashion with that tinge of unthought of individuality that is so human and thus so beautiful. The fact that I don’t know whether one of your shots has spent an hour in front of the mirror to find the right scarf or has a particularly good eye, or simply no other scarf fitted at all, THAT is for me the most intriguing part of the Sartorialist. For, it recreates the personal experience of meeting someone random on the street oneself and being delighted by an unforseeable beau/belle.

    A make-over runs counter to the force of attraction of a ‘find.’ … You shoot a crafted object more than a creative subject.

    Looking forward to the result, nevertheless.

  294. Torben

    April 14, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    Wow…..I didn’t think this page was meant to include criticism…

    I applaud you Sartorialist for testing this out, and being open and constructive about it. I don’t get why so many people have issues with it…I as a person WELCOME critique, other peoples points of view on me and my style and choices and attitude towards things in life, including my wardrobe…I’d hope more people too, would embrace that rather than condemn it and make it into something negative…

    I’m excited ! :)

  295. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    She is such a cute petite girl! She would look chic with short hair that would hit between the shoulders and chin. The boots definitely need to go! Blue seems to be an amazing color for her; stick with that. Keep her make-up natural and simple, so she can keep up with her look and busy schedule. Heels would add some height and shape her legs more!

  296. Allie

    April 14, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    well this has certainly sparked controversy.

    i agree with some-i’d love to see what you can do with a makeover, sart. however; i really agree that this should be your first and last makeover (unless of course you’re making over me!)

    i also agree with one of the very first comments…i’m a high school junior, and jcrew is NOT inexpensive. gap; however, has some cheaper yet still cute clothes…but jcrew is pricey if you’re regarding it as a “inexpensive” clothing store. it might be compared to…say…gucci, chanel, etc….but you get my jist.

    can’t wait to see the end product. i have short hair as welll and love it.
    DO NOT change a thing about the color of her hair!! i hate it when people with gorgeous natural hair color dye it!!

  297. Stylist in Chicago

    April 14, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    It seems to me that part of the point of this blog is to give people inspiration. A lot of what goes into making a person look great is fit and what is flattering to the features of the person. And I probably speak for many when I say that we can’t always see past how great an item may be on the hanger to know whether it really complements us or not.

    I think that is what this gets down to. Sart is just going to help this girl see things from a different angle. She’s willing to try it out and that’s great. He’s not going to change her personality or enforce anything on her, just give her a few suggestions that she (and we) may love and find extraordinarily helpful.

    This is a cool idea and a nice change of pace.

    Echoing what many others have said, a bob would be super cute on her. The side bangs already fall to about that length and are quite flattering. And I think it’s a great idea to use the so-called mall stores. Not everyone lives in New York and many of us could use some inspiration that we easily try too.

    Good luck Sart and Phoenix, can’t wait to see the outcome!

  298. maureen

    April 14, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/05/15/bob_hair_narrowweb__300x417,0.jpg

    Definitely go for a bob hair style or a short cut(such as in the link)! I don’t think you should change the color at all. It is great for her skin and looks beautiful!!

    I am also a student who loves J.Crew on a budget. I would highly suggest buying plain shirts, cardigans, and polos with jeans and sassy belts. It is easy to mix and match these items while looking nice but no over the top!

    Good luck on your new project!

  299. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    i would definitely keep the color of her hair its beautiful! some straight across bold bangs could be sweet or just a shorter hair cut.

    love the dress and boots (actually) but i don’t think the really go…

    can’t wait to see the results!

  300. Ellen

    April 14, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    In every society, clothing is used as a non-verbal way to communicate a message to others. It is a powerful way of showing that you are a rebel (teens going goth) or professional (business people wearing suits) or rich (wearing something with a label prominently displayed) or poor (police officers going undercover wearing rags).

    Given that, do most people really believe that “personal style is something inherent, nothing you can learn” (per another commenter)? If personal style is another way of saying that you are communicating who you truly are, why is there a problem teaching the tools to do that effectively?

  301. Elizabeth

    April 14, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    Although I generally don’t like to leave comments on group message boards this girl is just so charming and I simply have to flash back to my “teen witch” days of old and Tiger Beat my makeover opinion:

    When i placed my thumb over her left side the hair that naturally cupped her chin was the perfect length. Having it a bit angled would suit her well. Possibly richen the color with red tones. No blond please.

    And possibly take her to Zara. How cute she would be in a light blue sun dress, which perhaps has a drindle skirt with pleats and oh yes, you might pair it with kelly green or bright red mary janes with a kitten heal?!

    Or a cream/lace empire floor length dress for an ethereal look? Some ballet flats and a bare face.

    Both looks are young and would be a dream on this doll of a girl.

    In any case this is exciting.

    Do a boy next, please sir.

    liza

  302. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    Just leave the hair, please!

  303. biscuits

    April 14, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    she could pull off a short cut but with hair that thick it’ll need a lot of styling…trust me. i don’t think it’s too long, just too bottom-heavy. i’d suggest thinning it out at the bottoms but giving her layers on the crown of the head to keep it light.

  304. Urja

    April 14, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    Having personally given real makeovers, I can tell you what to do. With the hair, perhaps cut a few inches, but it suits her. However DO give her some super blonde highlights to give a lovely beach-y vibe to it. I think with young people like her, go shopping at H&M! Gap and JCrew clothing is a bit severe for a young girl. Shoe wise, give her some pointy toe flats!

  305. Christine

    April 14, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    She is very gorgeous…I hope she enjoys it all and doesn’t look too constructed when done. She is very young – please don’t make her look like everyone else who tries a little too hard. Have fun and I look forward to seeing what eventuates. She will love the advice also, even if not for years, I am sure she will come back to whatever you do for her x.

  306. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    Sart -
    Don’t worry about the negativity coming at you.

    Of course you would never embarass anyone on this blog! Have these devoted sart readers learned anything of you from the comments you make, the pictures you take?! You are always gracious and never in that one track, “this is the only way” big head fashion attitude . No, I don’t think this girls look is dreadful but it isn’t great, no. Some things are good, but can be great. I think it was hard for most of the readers to understand your encounter and conversation with this girl…how it actually came about organically. Because I believe it did. I’m actually really excited to see what you’ll do. She is beautiful and she’ll probably take over ny after you’ve consulted with her.

    Do your thing,
    B

  307. Helen

    April 14, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    She’s gorgeous a shorter layered bob would make her look older than 16. I do think that the color should not be touched.

    The pantyhose and (these particular) boots combination do need a little work.

    I am SOOOO excited!

  308. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    Plum (1:23 PM) got the right words: let “Lolita” play her part on her own.

  309. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    Hi Sart,
    I want to add my voice to the chorus of folks who love your blog, but are dismayed by this makeover project. Perhaps what we fear most is not so much the “making over” of this young woman, but the transformation of a blog that has brought us many moments of joy, surprise, inspiration by presenting images of people as they have chosen to (re)present themselves. That the critiques of this project have brought an uncharacteristic defensiveness to the tone of your responses is equally troubling. If provoking dialogue and response was your aim you have succeeded. I await the final results of this makeover and the many responses that it will inevitably provoke.

  310. Te

    April 14, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Just because ‘her’ style isn’t ‘your’ style is no reason to change her to fit in with your blog. The ‘makeover’ idea sound very patronising to be honest. She is a beautiful/natural looking girl, who doesn’t need to be changed. Very unimpressed, stick to the gorgeous photography and don’t play ‘fashion god’.

  311. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    Holy cow! That’s a lot of comments to read.What have you gotten yourself into, Mr. Sartorialist?

  312. MB

    April 14, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    I’m sorry Sart, I am usually very much a fan of your blog, but this post doesn’t sit well with me. As a large number of posts have already suggested, your site is popular because of your keen eye for individual style – you tell us what you like in a positive way. This post has strayed into ‘what I don’t like’ and ‘how I can improve her’. As much as she is willing to be your ‘project’ (something which does come across as rather patronising in itself), I don’t think this will paint you in a good light.

  313. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    makeovers are so fun! as long as you incorporate her personal tastes, there is no problem!

    she has a face that would do really well with a short pixie cut, (thinking mia farrow back in the day).

    also, her legs are nice, but since (like most people) she doesn’t have model long legs, she’d do better with ankle boots or boots to her knee.

    check out uniqlo for basics that may be a little younger and perhaps cheaper than jcrew!

    can’t wait to see the results!

  314. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    Does she look like some reasonably-priced, easy Spring/Summer pieces from the Gap and J Crew would fit into her lifestyle, or sense of style? OMG.

  315. The Sartorialist

    April 14, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    fir anon 5:50
    I have not reacted to the “sexist, narrow view on boots” comments because I have no reason to defend myself.

    I don’t like those style boots, that simple.

    am i suppose to?

  316. The Sartorialist

    April 14, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    for anon 7:07
    my aim was not to provoke but to simply to something new and different.

    I don’t understand why I cannot defend my point of view on my own blog.

    I’m not being defensive, have i told anyone that their view was wrong? or that mine was the only correct view?

  317. Brennan

    April 14, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    I’m intrigued…

  318. dal

    April 14, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    Alright, just a couple of things to consider. I believe taking her hair short is a brilliant idea. Pay close attention to where the line that her first layer falls and cut it to there following her beautiful jaw line. This will only enhance her neck line but also get all the weight of her hair that’s dragging her down out of the way and it will actually make her look taller and more slender. Her hair color is fantastic….don’t touch it. As far as her outfit, you;re right…I believe where you said the boots hit along with the length of the sleeve and harsh line to where the dress falls, is only making here look wider and stumpier. Maybe choosing something that lengthens the silhouette by cinching in on the upper waist line and lightening up on the sleeves may do that for you. Overall, I believe these things will give her a more sopisticated and chic look that I think every woman wants.

  319. Maria Cristina

    April 14, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Change is always a great thing, as human beings we should never be afraid of it.

    This girl has such nice features that I think she would look great with shorter hair, not everyone can pull it off and if you’re one of the lucky ones who can, DO IT!! and anyways, hair always grows back. though, keep the color, I think it’s gorgeous and goes perfect with her skin tone.

    About the outfit, I like the dress and the color, it goes well with both her hair color and skin tone but I agree she could do her beautiful legs more justice with some sexier boots.

    Go for it!!

  320. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    The girl is beautiful! Just the way she is! Leave her alone!

  321. veronique

    April 14, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    FUN! But who’s buying? (Hope that YOU are, Daddy).

  322. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    Leave the hair alone. No such thing as ‘too long’ unless we’re talking freakishly long. She looks great; much better than many offering on this blog.

  323. Maria

    April 14, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    This is going to be the most useless comment, but she looks just like Billie Piper, the girl who plays Rose on Doctor Who.

    I think she would look nice as a lighter blonde, especially now that it’s Spring. (And especially based on her resemblance to Piper.)

    I agree that her current hairstyle is doing nothing for her. And from a long-necked person, I typically wear my hair up, because it just looks better that way.

  324. Rachel

    April 14, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    I could not believe what I was reading!!! I had to jump back up to the top and make sure it was still The Sartorialist. Something about this is just rubbing me the wrong way. I love this site and I would be disappointed to see it turn into a critiqueing of people instead of applauding them for their PERSONAL style. If she wasn’t up to “your standards” for your website, you should have let her go unphotographed. Rachel

  325. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    PHILIP LIM AND THREEASFOUR from gap would be perfect for a student budget and super cute!

    also, dont forget h&m and zara!!

    or uniqlo!

  326. jojo

    April 14, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    Hair ala Michelle Williams
    I wish that you would consider vintage instead of
    gap.or other.

    I think if I were her age I would love the opportunity.
    I bet she is excited and I hope she is not reading
    all of the negativity that I have just read.

  327. Lori

    April 14, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    I love her hair just the way it is, and I really can’t see how cutting or coloring it would be an improvement.

    I’d get rid of those boots, though.

  328. Austin

    April 14, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    killer legs!

    i think she could pull off a super short haircut, but you did say you wouldnt be doing a very dramatic change

  329. Carrie

    April 14, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Scott, I hope you choose to comment on this entire process as a whole, particularly the strong reactions this has invoked from many of your readers. Whether it was good or bad decision, here you are & I’m curious to know what you think once you’ve given it a bit of distance. I’ll check back wednesday!. Thanks for blogging!

  330. a side order of style

    April 14, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    short or thinner hair would do. it would be better for shape. and flats would be great or heels. but yes boots like that are a bit terrible… wonderful idea. you have everyone so into the cause
    -Steph

  331. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    A make-over of a skinny, super cute girl? What a challenge…
    Try with the other 95% of the population.

  332. Sarah M

    April 14, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    I’m feeling a bit uneasy with the idea of a ‘makeover’ project, but I don’t want to echo all the people who have already expressed their distaste, so I’ll try to keep this brief. The thing is, it’s really hard to be a young woman (for too many reasons to enumerate in this forum). It’s a struggle to stay true to yourself – your convictions and your aesthetic – while still managing to please everyone (or anyone) else. I’m sure Phoenix reacted positively to your suggestions, but that’s not to say she felt good about them. I, for one, would have felt devastated in her position. To be criticized – or, rather, ‘critiqued’ – for the way you present yourself to the world is crushing regardless of the critic, but I would imagine it’s only that much more hurtful to be picked apart by someone whom you greatly admire and respect. There’s not a doubt in my mind that you have only the best of intentions with this project, and your dedication to your craft is remarkable and should be lauded. I just hope that Phoenix’s motivations for participating are entirely her own, and not merely an attempt to satisfy the eye of an ‘expert.’

  333. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    What’s fly about this young woman is her level of awareness without being hyper or overly conscious of the now.

    Take her out of this context… your site, and her look does not look so 2008… like so many of the styles presented online/in media today.

    She is litterally rollin’ out, doing her thang… nottt mimicking the pages of nylon… your site.. other “resources”.
    As a young woman should.

    The boot isn’t suppose to make her look taller… because she appears quite confident with her natural height. Not feeling like height = her answer.

    Please… I love height, but what I love more is people who work with their natural…. stiletto-less form.

    I hope more young girls do their own thing… exploring what is them before simply bootlegging the looks from your site…. facehunter.. or sadly – cobrasnake.

    Much Respect,

    Fashion Consultant
    Nicholas K

  334. Alexis

    April 14, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    SHORT hair would be a great change! I say go for it.

    What a lucky girl to get a full makeover by the Sartorialist!

  335. Montgomery

    April 14, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    Stunning girl. You can’t tamper with nature! However as we do sweep up the leaves and cut the long grass, she should sweep up her hair into a bun or cut to show her beauty.

    So get rid of the old curtains (hair) and let the light shine through!

  336. Allie

    April 14, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    ps.
    i don’t know if anyone has commented on this (most have been preoccupied with the makeover)…but the background for this picture is perfect.
    that little bit of color-especially the brilliant blue-really adds to the shot. although you weren’t crazy about the outfit, it is still obvious that a lot of thought and effort went into making this girl look the best she could (under the extenuating fashion circumstances).

    also….i love her necklace.

  337. veronique

    April 14, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    By the way, I don’t see anything really that wrong with her outfit. But yes, she’s in a BIG need of a haircut! But of course, so am I, so I’m starting to see haircuts everywhere…

  338. Kath

    April 14, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    Awesome idea. I think a short cut can be liberating (try something new!). I think Lola has the right idea with a less expensive place than J Crew or Gap, tho’, they’re more prep-school than art-student. That said, I trust your judgment any day. Can’t wait to see what happens!

  339. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    I can’t believe you can be so critical of this gorgeous creature! Why not help out someone who could really use a few words whispered in his ear, like the guy a couple of photos down in the goofy red hat, too short pants, and white shoes. Or maybe it would make more sense if you didn’t go “ga-ga” over the guy about 15 photos down in the too long shirt, under the too short blue sweater, under the insideout coat, wearing split-toed shoes. This girl has a lot more style than many of your subjects! Don’t touch that beautiful hair!

  340. sjw

    April 14, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    i didn’t have the energy to read all the comments and i’m sure this has been said before:
    if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.

    i like you highlighting what you like, but actually doing a make-over? leave that for the lame tv shows.

    xs

  341. momo

    April 14, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    I agree with aziza. It sounds as if you met a fan of the site and decided to have some fun with your mutual love of style.
    Phoenix, you have gorgeous hair, and a new style will show off your lovely face, whether you just pull it up, or cut it short. I enjoy changing my look, and recently got my hair cut really short. If you don’t like it, grow it out! Have fun!

  342. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    I think short hair will do her image wonders. First thing is it will lengthen her body and elongate her neckline (she’s got a pretty one already).
    I agree with you on the boots, and DEFINITELY get RID of those hose. It’s what Issac call bologna legs!! no no to sheer hose.
    I’m being harsh….
    but she would also look good with darker highlights..or if she’s really bold, go for dark indigo or bronze. not the typical brunette color.

    The Delhi lady (the one you took two shoots) can be a great inspiration. Although this young lady is not as curvy.

    do you really think j.crew is a inexpensive place to shop? Personally i think the clothes are over-priced and over-wore by preppy kids. so if you are really going to give her a “make over,” go to someplace creative that would compliment her new haircut.

  343. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Sir, I love your blog and your perspective, yet I can’t help but feel that this is a mistake. The girl is breathtaking. Her boots don’t emphasize the legs, but must they? Looking at her I suspect many of us fell helplessly. Her style, for lack of a better word, is perfect thrift-store romantic. Aside from the boots, her look is divine. The deep blue is amazing against her hair, and the ostensible lack of pretension about the hair and dress makes for an expression that cannot be improved upon.

    There is of course nothing wrong about letting her try new clothes, but it feels disastrous to state that she is in any way in need of a make-over.

  344. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    “I am not trying to change her but help her find herself.”

    Agreed.

  345. Croquillage

    April 14, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    excellent idea…

    What if every person believed their clothing to be a bit of public art?
    That their clothing has the potential to reflect, not only their own individuality, but also their current ever changing context and its complexity?

    I am all for achieving balance, harmony, design, finding oneself and somehow channeling the world around that self, in the same out-fit. (or in-fit for that matter).

    Its about correlating subjective and objective with one another. And for that to happen, there has to be an outside “objective” for the “subject” to encounter. This make-over will definitely demonstrate such.

    I would cut her hair above her chin so its longest right at her cheek bone, right under her ears, and it would work best as an inverted bob.

    I think J. Crew and Gap are great choices. Both stores sell clothes outfits can be built upon. Its how an individual wears clothes, not where clothes are sold, that fashions great style.

  346. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    I think she looks strangely unique as she is. If she meant to do this and was more confident and completely insulted by the prospect of a makeover she would be a visionary; like she was bringing back the early 90s supermodel look on her own terms.

    That seems like a stretch though; I say cut her hair and make it so that she needn’t use any styling products/tools and please don’t color it!

  347. Anne Watkins

    April 14, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    holy cow! I have to jump in with everyone else. Where are the remaining 67,700 Sartorialist devotees?

    Part of the deal of having an artist’s, which you sure have, is that you get to experiment and refresh yourself – keep things interesting, try new ways of seeing and showing.
    Go for it!

    my two cents:
    Take her to Armando Corral at 12 Little West 12th Street – he will give her hair rhythm and movement,
    it will be fun.

    Shop in her own closet first, and then see what else she needs to give it flair. You may find things she does not see anymore, and help give her a stronger look without upping anybody’s charge cards….

    looking forward!

  348. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    cut her hair short, and keep the color because, i think its remarkable. thats just my opinion. but really sart, who isnt a fan of yours?

  349. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    This girl looks interesting, and is different than the New York cookie-cutter pseudo-sophisticate. She looks fresh and midwestern in a way that I could see as inspiring and bizarre against the NYC uniform.

  350. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    The Gap or J.Crew, you cheap bastard! I think you should take her to Bergdorf Goodman for letting you publicly humiliate her and use her as your Guinnea pig. (Just trying to help you out girl friend, hehehe.)

  351. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Aw Sart! All she needs is opaque black tights and some killer heels. I love scarves so I’d want one of those too, but she does have a lovely neck so why hide it? As for her hair, a simple, low ponytail will do the trick! The dress is fabulous!! I agree with the another comment here- she does look a lot better than some of the others you’ve photographed. Plus, she’s so young, she’s still figuring out what works for her, unlike some of the others who should just know better! I also think she looks a lot more like the people who read your blog in terms of her look- young, stylish but big on comfort. Scratch the heels I mentioned earlier. Simple black patent ballet flats would fix this outfit just fine. Good luck with the makeover!

  352. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    individuals bemoaning the make-over seem to forget that this lovely lady cannot but be a willing and wanting participant. how many among us wouldn’t and don’t like some advice? this having been said, sartorialist…. you should help her spring for some hot spring boots that will have the heads turning. “we are responsible for what we tame.” the onus is on you. do it up.

  353. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    I am glad that you are doing this. It is good that you are trying new things and engaging with your readers, I applaude it no matter the turnout. Maybe this can show that people don’t have to be stuck with one look. After all, we cannot see our personal style as the end of a long search but rather the beginning of embracing life’s surrounds and all of its flux.

  354. Kaitlin Elizabeth

    April 14, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    After all of the hype with this post, I’m very eager to see the final result.

    I think the reason why this is such a good idea, is because she’s so close, but something just isn’t right about her look. Thats whats so good about Scott. He can put the pieces together. She just needs some tweaking.

    It’s easy to take someone that looks like complete shit and turn them around. Anything is better than what they used to look like.

    It’s much harder to take someone who’s already got their own style going on and hone in their fashion skills.

    That being said, I think this girl is very adorable, and seems like a deserving person!

  355. greendressinDUBLIN

    April 14, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    lamentable idea! sart, the funny thing is i would never go and buy a magazine, but i go to your site everyday. why? because fashion magazines reinforce the tyranny of the thin/skinny culture, constantly tell women what is “ideal” and consequently, leave your average woman unbalanced and insecure -unless of course she agrees to change her look and conform to what they are pushing.

    i thought that your site was different: affirming individual style. and you want to know the two things i loved the most: you never say what labels anyone is wearing and you choose to capture all segments of the sartorial landscape.

    most of the times, i don’t love what your subjects are wearing, but i love the fact that they have their own style and just coming to your blog and seeing NYC brings joy to my day.

    i don’t understand why you couldn’t continue on your path of photographing what is sartorially interesting or unusual to you. if she was/is unsatisfied with her own style, she has her life ahead of her to discover/grow into what she thinks suits her life and her personality.

  356. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    Scott, i think you should be very careful.

    I thought the purpose of your blog was to find people as they were- to highlight the beauty of finding people in their natural habitats and how they dress to either blend in or stand out (case in point; “urban camouflage, NYC”)

    if you give phoenix even the slightest transformation that won’t be in essence purely her. It would be like a subtly stylised shoot you’d do for a magazine.

    I guess there’s nothing wrong with that, Just want you to keep in mind what I thought the essence of A Satorialist is and why I always love coming back to your blog.

  357. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    i like the idea of shorter hair but the color is lovely the way it already is…i would head to uniqlo or other stores similar to that rather than j. crew or gap. everything they’ve had lately have been so dull and un-exciting.

  358. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    one hour with scott’s barneys charge card. the challenge… how much can she spend on shoes and clothes. the photos will then be posted with her sporting her new acquisitions. if the audience disagrees with her choices, by a majority vote, those items must be returned. whatever is left, she keeps.

  359. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    I’m a huge fan of your blog. You have a great positive attitude and try to feature more non-traditional beauty and fashion perspectives.

    I think a foray into makeover territory would be an unfortunate path for you to take. You haven’t been mean in the least, but your critique of this girl doesn’t jibe with what I’ve come to expect from you. It’s fine for your readers to rip an outfit to shreds, but not you.

  360. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    One of the reasons i’ve always liked your blog is that you always focus on the positive; you always focus on what’s good about how your portrait subjects look and what they’re wearing.

    So, i’m a little disappointed that you feel you need to give this girl a makeover.

  361. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    take her to uniqlo and vintage shopping in brooklyn! i think that would be more rewarding and successful considering she’s an art student.

  362. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    i think she looks fantastic. much better than a lot of your short-trousered specimens. and she has fantastic gams, boots and all. stick with the photography.

  363. Indiana

    April 14, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    I find this very odd indeed. Sure, she’s not wearing anything I’d feel the need to take a photograph of, but she surely doesn’t look as horrific as you make it sound.

    Gap and Jcrew are great, but on her? She seems to me like their polar opposite. Maybe I just hate makeovers. I like your regular, uber cool, and non-manufactured photographs.

  364. gmg

    April 14, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    as curious as I am to see the results of the make-over, I’m even more anxious to read the responses. this could get as fractious as a mac-pc or nikon-canon debate (although with a much more civilized and engaging crowd).

  365. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    is she someone that normally shops at Gap/J crew?

  366. KT

    April 14, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    I agree about the boots; anything mid-calf gives me elephant legs… should be above or below. I think we all benefit from a little good advice, so feel free to come make me over.

  367. verite.fashion

    April 14, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    Just based on the number of comments, it seems that this may not be your last makeover after-all, sart!
    I like her dress and her hair color. A bold cut, maybe even a kind of asymmetrical bob would look good on her. As for the boots, you are right on, though it doesn’t bother me too much. I think I have been desensitized.

  368. Jean

    April 14, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    I agree with cutting the hair. I think really short…pixie cut as one person suggested. She is so pretty she would look so much better with really short hair so you can see her face. As far as clothing… you are the expert … I have no idea, but I do not like what she is wearing so almost anything would be an improvement. Good luck, looking forward to seeing it!

  369. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    The dress would be great with leggings and flats. Dark opaque leggings might help the current boots work. I think her hair color should not change.

  370. Victoria

    April 14, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    She has the perfect face for a bob as long as she’s comfortable with it and doesn’t mind getting more attention from females than males. I wouldn’t mess with the color, especially if it’s natural. I think her boots would look fine with jeans–just not skirts and dresses. As for where to shop, J Crew is a great store but, based on this one photo of the subject, it doesn’t seem to be her style. What about some east village vintage boutiques? H&M would probably suit her, but doesn’t seem as fun to me for this project.

  371. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    She’s a beautiful girl and I’m sure she’ll look great; you have such a good eye and your choices will be excellent. But I went back and reread your original post and it doesn’t sound like she approached you asking for style advice.

    Her choices look deliberate to me and she looks comfortable with herself which is why I don’t think she needs a makeover. She looks way better than the average person by far, and then when she meets a photographer she admires she’s told that she needs improvement.

    If the boots were bothering you but you wanted to get a shot of her, you could have taken a photo of her upper half – I’ve seen photos here done that way. You would have had a hundred comments about her and they would have been almost all positive; probably a couple of people may have remarked that she could add some color to her outfit or something like that.

  372. pikake

    April 14, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    I for one am glad to know that she is 26 years old (she looks 16). It takes the “creepiness” out of the situation I had mentioned above.

    But it still for me it still feels condescending. Sart, do you really think you are going “help her find herself”? I’m going to play armchair psychologist here and say that it seems like this “fun little project” might be more for you than for her.

  373. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    My first thought seeing her photo was “She doesn’t belong.” Then I saw the words and understood. I didn’t see anything wrong with your idea till I read the comments. Lots of people compared this to a makeover show, whether favorably or not. Whether or not you like makeover shows, you have to admit that they’re usually more helpful to the people watching the shows than to the people in them. Most maker-overs don’t make much allowance for personal style, except for the guy in (and I know this is stretching the definition of makeover show) “Dress My House.”

    I hope that you don’t do stuff to this girl so much as help her do stuff to herself. Don’t overawe her into getting a haircut that doesn’t match her style, for instance. Teach her aesthetic principals to help her look good and then let her make her own unique style choices.

    One other thing–instead of bringing her to the slightly expensive and consumer-y stores you mentioned, maybe you should let her show you to her favorite stores and show you stuff she likes. Be more of a filter and a teacher than an artist here. Phoenix–who’s gorgeous in a Juno way, with that face and delicate body–is the artist.

    Tell her good luck and to use you all she can–and not to be afraid to refuse things that aren’t her.

  374. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    PS — I’d love to hear what Phoenix has to say about this experience.

    – desertwind

  375. Alex

    April 14, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    I am torn between agreeing with your assessment and those who like her look, but I would definitely say that she has great bone structure in the face and should use eye makeup to really make them show up. Necklace is too long and a bad color. I would go with opaque tights rather than sheer. I think she has the beginnings of a style here, but that it needs some good points to put it together, like fake lashes or a great bracelet.

  376. lorrwill

    April 14, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    I vote against cutting it her hair. You lose far too much versatility with short hair. Give her a nice style: waves and partial or full up do or something but cutting – no. Too much maintenance and something about her says closet girlie girl who would want to keep the length to me.

  377. -h of candid cool

    April 14, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    wait, what, huh?

  378. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    despite necklines, boots, hose etc. she is an extremely beautiful girl

  379. manda

    April 14, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    I agree, the boots aren’t hot and she should be in black tights not stockings. Not a huge fan of the hair but I’m too hopeless to suggest anything better.
    Cant wait to see what you do with her.

    On another note, I’ve only recently stumbled onto your blog and I love your shots! These last few months have given me loads of inspiration for when I travel to Europe (from Australia) this August.

    My hand is up for the next makeover!

  380. Annelise Pruitt

    April 14, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    If you take this young lady to Gap I will never read your blog again.

    We live in New York city and our shoes do not exist for the sole purpose of making our legs look shapely. If anything she needs soft wooly leg warmers out of the top of the boots to accentuate the smaller shape of the knee and thigh.

    Please don’t fall in the fashion trap Sart, where every woman wears the same belted shirtdress with a hobo bag.

    Just keep taking great pictures and let us dress ourselves.

  381. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    fun! I would personally love to receive a Sart makeover. This is one lucky gal. (i certainly do need one)

  382. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    I personally thought the Marc Jacobs kids girl whom you thought “got it” looked like crap. Lumpy figure, flat hair, and dresses like an old lady.

    But this girl.. you hate her hair, boots, dress, neckline?? I can’t believe you can find so many negative things to say about such a cute girl.

  383. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    Your site has been my reminder each morning to see the best in people, to appreciate the creativity in the daily ritual of getting dressed but most importantly, to rise above judgment and remain generous.Sart, I hope you are hearing it in these comments–please keep your site fresh and lead the way in looking at fashion through your positive and individualistic lens–ms boston.

  384. Hannah

    April 14, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    What a wonderful day it must have been for her!

  385. monique

    April 14, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    What a beauty. She’s going to be stunning when you’re done.

    I think she’s trying to rock a modifed goth look or even Wiccan. If that’s the case, let her stay goth-light (though it’s not my favorite look) but make it fitted and modern. Please don’t GAP her out too much.

    I say give her a stronger hair color. Deep auburn perhaps. And a cut that lands just below the jaw line, like the layers we see here, and tapers up in the back. That would give her neck some play.

    I liker her make-up (if she’s wearing any) as it is. Her lips are fantastic and that skin! Perfect.

    It looks like her body is great so she can wear anything stylish and pulled together….unlike what she’s wearing here.

    Can’t wait to see your creation, Sart.

  386. amillionpieces

    April 14, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Nooo! Don’t change her. She looks gorgeous as she is. I think it’s one of the best pictures you’ve posted since Stockholm.

    I’d usually agree about the boots, Mr Sart, they’re not my favourite style to see on a girl at all but she wears them really well.

    I don’t know – some of us live in parts of the world where a girl that gorgeous would cause traffic jams and here’s everyone trying to change her and make her into some template.

  387. Jenna Rocca

    April 14, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    She really shouldn’t have short hair. Everyone does that nowadays and it’s a bit much. Maybe just give her some bangs like Brigitte Bardot. She could go more platinum as well.

  388. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    brilliant idea.

    this blog is a source of style inspiration and appreciation. the photographs clearly recognize the value of individual taste.

    that said, why such opposition to the makeover? surely nobody wants to remain completely static in their style. she’s 26, yet numerous commenters assume she is a teenager. doesn’t that indicate that it is time for a change?

    i see nothing wrong with accentuating her features so long as you are guided by her personal tastes. given the nature of your work, i have no doubt that this is what you intend.

    i cannot get over the hypocrisy of the objections…

  389. Aileen

    April 14, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    hi sart. must you really do a makeover on this girl? either you like her style or you don’t. if you don’t, don’t post her in the blog. changing her style to fit your taste seems to go against what your blog stands for, imho. i truly hope this is a one-time experiment.

  390. amillionpieces

    April 14, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    Meep. Just went and read through some of the comment thread (yes, should have done that before I commented!) Just thought I’d say – my problem isn’t with the idea of a sartorialist makeover, you have a great blog and it’s good to try new things on it. Plus as you have said above, it is your blog and you should choose what you do on it.

    My only reservation was that I don’t think this particular person needs any making over.

  391. dean

    April 14, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    Flipping fantastic! Short and dark I hope (bet).

    Also bet you might find yourself doing more than just one makeover…but then it would be a bit more like actively changing and a bit less like passively cataloguing…

    N.

  392. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    WHAT A LUCKY GIRL! what i would give to be made-over by THE Sartorialist.

    i look forward to seeing the results :)

  393. Rustyrobot

    April 14, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    What hath Scott wrought?

    I like this idea, even though it is a little alarming to break out of the style of the site.

    I was going to suggest H&M as well. Almost all the girls I know in SF who have a limited clothing budget shop there, and I am a frequent visitor of their men’s department. Although i think I saw something about your dislike of their overcrowded stores? You may have to bite the bullet, put on a hoodie and dive in.

    I also agree totally with the bob cut, depending on how her hair pattern flows.

    Have you considered finding her some boots that you think would satisfy her footwear desires as well as yours?

  394. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    I think that there is absolutely nothing wrong with doing a makeover. For me this doesn’t imply that there is something wrong with her. Rather, I find that outsiders (people other than we, ourselves) often notice our best features more readily than we do, and often free us of our preconceived notions of what our style is or should be. I think I put myself together pretty well, but I would die for a Sartorialist makeover.

    My opinion about this smokin’ hot illustrator is that she should get some of the hair out of her face so that we can see her gorgeous lips. And, regardless of what style she is working, she should show some more of her enviable shape.

    I would like to see her in some of the new greens and golds that JCrew is pimping this season.

  395. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    It seems like a good cut to just below her chin ( a bob) would be tres chic! Why not? I don’t get the tights and boots either. She’d be very cool in some lighter colors and her hair color is beautiful, including her face. I would say a mix of J Crew and some interesting intersections of leather and girl-like ruffles. Nothing too frilly, but a mix of hard edge with a sprinkle of feminine. That mix would be fun and funky. Wide leg jeans that are flowy…

  396. Goose

    April 14, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    my two cents:
    cut it a bit shorter, just a bit
    think it out, give her bangs

  397. Susan

    April 14, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    who would’ve thought a post on a makeover would start the biggest discussion on your blog (400+ and counting) so far?

  398. taura

    April 14, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    i love her hair color, i wish my hair was that color.

  399. Chip Ahoy

    April 14, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    Yes! Why? In your own words;

    thought I could shoot people on the street the way designers looked at people, and get and give inspiration to lots of people in the process. My only strategy when I began The Sartorialist was to try and shoot style in a way that I knew most designers hunted for inspiration. Rarely do they look at the whole outfit as a yes or no but they try and look for the abstract concepts of color, proportion, pattern mixing or mixed genres.

    I love that.

  400. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    Skimmed the comments. I like the boots, because they’re slightly bikerish and comfortable, but agree that they do nothing for a great pair of legs that she’s highlighting by wearing a short dress and the slightly sheer tights. I’d just go get her a very expensive gorgeous pair of boots, and a pair of heels instead. Its those flat heels that drag things down. Even an undershot heel gives a little interest. I love the navy color with that strawberry colored hair. Don’t change the colors. I think a really top notch hair dresser could give her a little shape without making it into a “cut” or a “do”. And I agree with everyone who was against mainstream stores. Take her downtown and find someone who makes their clothes rather than bringing them from overseas and get them to help. Or better yet, take her to italy and let her shop for herself. But someone gave me a really good haircut when I was young and broke in NY and I loved it. Have fun Professor Higgins.

  401. Rubai

    April 14, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    If she’s on board, I don’t see why any of us should be against this.

    I agree that her hair should be shorter, maybe a bob, but I wouldn’t change the color. It’s beautiful! I don’t like the neck of the dress, I’d prefer a square shape.

    But I have to say, I don’t understand why everyone is against the tights. Personally, I’m a little sick of the opaque tights everyone’s wearing these days.

  402. Constantine

    April 14, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    Stunning face and figure, and a burgeoning sense of style. (Although art schools makes you wear outfits that you regret later). I agree about the boots though (and Sart, thanks for the thoughtful take on them – now I can articulate why they didn’t work so well). It will be interesting to see how her style evolves as she comes into her own, personally and professionally. She has the kind of beauty that will have a real presence as she comes into it.

    But DON’T CUT THE HAIR. Keep the length. Restyle, maybe. Seriously.

  403. Kate

    April 14, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    I think the term ‘makeover’ has too many negative connotations, thanks to the number of tv shows with it in their title. What Sart is suggesting sounds very different from the in-your-face Hollywood types that take a frumpy, fashion senseless housewife and plaster her with bright makeup and extreme clothes.

    This girl already has an awareness of fashion (and being an illustrator, obviously some what of an artistic eye). Working with Sart will help her to structure her tastes and to look more critically at what she wears. Surely all of us have sometimes wished for an impartial and knowledgable fashion eye to help us with our appearance. Often what is in fashion or on trend is suited to only specific body types, and it can be hard to see through the machine of fashion media. Surely she will not be transformed into an unrecognisable caricature of herself. She is going into the process with her eyes wide open.

    Sart also has a background in the industry and is knowledgable about more technical aspects of fashion such as shape and proportion. I know I personally sometimes struggle to assess an outfit in that sort of way, and would love a bit of advice.

    Good luck Sart, and I can’t wait to see the results.

    (Sorry it’s a bit long)

  404. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    When I first saw the pic. I thought she was beautiful. The makeover is unnecessary. I have seen many people in this blog who really need one. Leave her alone!!!!

  405. valerie

    April 14, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    i cannot believe this post. has your site been hacked? though i admit that lately i’ve become tired of the same old bland aesthetic judgments, this is surprisingly, almost shockingly base. way to play to the lowest common denominator.

    just because you have some self-appointed blog power you think it’s perfectly fine to exploit admiring strangers for your own ratings? disgusting.

    well your readership just dropped by one.

  406. Saffron

    April 14, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    Honestly, find someone who actually *needs* a makeover. She doesn’t. She’s fine as she is.

    I work in a university. I could probably lean out the window and point to hundreds of women between the ages of 18 and 30 who are committing fashion crimes of a more substantial nature.

  407. andy bandini

    April 14, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    the hair, though pretty, is too long to do her neck and beautiful face justice. i like her arty student look. maybe it could be updated with some color

  408. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    I’m amused by this…truly. The idea she’s being made over by Central Committee is part-Frankenstein part-sketch comedy. So many cooks, one kitchen…..poor girl.

  409. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    i think your ego has blown what you do way out of proportion. more and more you post the same sort of look day after day, and now you are just admitting that you no longer search our original style.

    you type too many opinions rather than photos, which is what i thought this site was about…creative and original street style.

    it is great that she is asking you for style advise, you obviously have a good eye. but it doesnt have to become the focus of your blog.

    btw, j. crew is boring and expensive. not art school wardrobe material at all. and looking at her now, it does not reflect what she is wearing at all. isnt a make over an improvement of the style someone has already????

  410. Anonymous

    April 14, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    As I began to read this post I thought it was all going to be a joke- that you’d critique her outfit and then realize that you would never suggest a make-over to someone on the street.
    I am really surprised. I think this is inappropriate and I also think it’s creepy when people comment on her style like she is a mannequin in a store window.

    bottom line: inappropriate

  411. geisha_girl

    April 14, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    Hiya –

    I think going for a shorter hair style would suit to take some of the weight out. Layers would add shape and a strong, choppy fringe (bangs) would look fab to frame her gorgeous face. Phoenix could then sweep the fringe to the side if she gets over it, or feels like a change.

    Some highlights would work, but use her current colour as a guide; put in a few shades lighter and only 1 or 2 shades darker to add depth.

    I’m in agreement regarding the clothing choices – stong but interesting basics which she can mix and catch for summer would suit her lifestyle just perfectly. Cool accessories would help out too!

    To those who have a problem with the makeover, move on. Scott wouldn’t have suggested it and Phoenix wouldn’t have agreed, if they didn’t think it was good idea.

  412. nigel

    April 14, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    For me, her “look” looks a little… incomplete at the moment. Almost like an extra on a film set, which truly is a pity, considering how beautiful she is. As well, her hair is gorgeous, however the way she wears it really isn’t doing very much for her. I agree with some of the previous posts regarding cardigans, acid-washed grey jeans, “college chic” stuff. You’ll know what to do. As for the boots: They only do something for me when paired with skinny black jeans. Best of luck, Scott. Oh, and one last request: Please don’t make these a regular thing for the Sartorialist. More for your sake than ours.

  413. AMO

    April 14, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    I’d go with a chin length bob… maybe even some layers or maybe one side longer than the other and shorter in the back. i like her hair color right now, but if you must change it, i’d go with a darker shade, can’t really decide on a shade. but definitely something darker… most likely a brunette shade.

    I think she needs something to comment her slim body. Maybe something fitted, but not too loose. I know I saw some really cute blouses with ruffles on the upper collar area. I could definitely see that. She also should try some brighter colors, though she does look very nice in black! =]

    Good luck on the make-over! It sounds like fun! I can’t wait to see her after shot.

  414. dopl

    April 14, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    I’ve been reading your blog since 2005 and this is the first time I’ve ever been compelled to leave a comment because I (and everyone I know who reads Sartorialist) am shocked and disappointed by this entry. The idea in and of itself isn’t a terrible one, but in the context of amazing examples of people expressing themselves through what they wear and how they project themselves, it offends me. This girl is overflowing with natural grace and I live near the East Village and see people dressed far far worse than her all the time. Even if she wants to be styled by you, your blog itself provides examples of ways people of all walks of life project themselves, and the photos have always spoken volumes. Even if you do go through with this project, I urge you to either put this on another part of the website or have an entirely different blog for things of this nature.

  415. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 12:17 am

    i think it’s great that you’re working towards helping her to improve her personal style. i believe that everyone, even the best, need some help every now and then. for those who beg to differ, i’d say you definitely have some self-issues. obviously you put yourself in the girl’s shoes and imagine how you’d feel if you were faced with someone being critical of your style. it’s important that people humble themselves and take a little advice from the experts. i mean, there’s a reason why people read fashion magazines right? i suggest you go self-reflect a bit. besides, he’s not looking to criticize blindly but into improving her aesthetically. anyway. good luck with the project Sartorialist! i’m eager to see the outcome!

    -an avid fan

  416. Kati

    April 15, 2008 at 12:19 am

    I think her look is pretty cool. It’s sort of French New Wave, in a way. The necklace is neat, and maybe the tights could be opaque, but all in all, not bad at all.

  417. arline jernigan

    April 15, 2008 at 12:30 am

    She could certainly use a tweak, but I am not really a fan of short hair. I think some layers would be nice for movement, and It would be nice to see her eyes. Perhaps give her some bangs. I like the color .

    It will be interesting to see what you both come up with. I am certain that you will help her find a personal style that she can sustain.

    Believe me, I understand a budget, though I sort of agree with the person who questioned the gap. Very generic.

    Teach her about details, accessories, and finding pieces, vintage/thrift and new, that can be put together in a creative, personal and timeless way.

    To anon 12:06

    I think that she probably chose to objectify herself, simply by having her picture taken and agreed to a makeover. And really, at the end of the day, none of our opinions matter. at all.

  418. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 12:31 am

    she looks good the way she is. I wouldn’t change a thing.

  419. liam

    April 15, 2008 at 12:43 am

    i don’t think short hair will look the best on her. and her hair colour is lovely. , hair up, or a trim, and some detail around her waist/hips. i’ll be looking to see how it turns out though. i’m sure it will be great.

  420. angie3000

    April 15, 2008 at 12:45 am

    i called it! i knew you’d start doing makeovers! it’s actually perfect. have your agent hook u up. i say give the chippie a little jean seberg “bonjour tristesse.” and you’re right about the boots. they don’t do anyone any favors.

  421. AnastasiaC

    April 15, 2008 at 12:58 am

    huh? i cant believe im reading this – what is the point of the makeover? to make the girl feel crap about her pre-makeover look??
    pls pls let her grow and develop her own personal style…surely she can figure it out?!

  422. Liz

    April 15, 2008 at 1:01 am

    of course her name is Phoenix.

    and as someone who recently had her hair professionally colored for the first time, i say…have her do something fun and exciting that she can financially afford to keep up. =)

    I think she can “get away with” her outfit, but that doesn’t mean she should.

  423. Laura

    April 15, 2008 at 1:02 am

    i think she could go for a huge cut… the shoulder length is too chunky.. and thick.. the hair sweeping her chin looks like a perfect length- a cute modern bob! with a similar fringe! to update her look and make her look her age.

  424. andrew

    April 15, 2008 at 1:15 am

    plum 1:23 ultimately Phoenix will have the last say when it is all over and we are out of the picture and i would hope that she will have just as much say during the whole process. i would not think the whole point of this is to change someones style just to refine it and make it and who knows maybe this makeover will show her that what she is wearing right now is exactly what she wants to be wearing… i personally love it! Its off, yes but i like off. MAYBE this make over will make her a little more off and more in her direction!

    I way all the power to the make over because i trust that she will be true to herself and that sart will respect that!!!

    Plus who doesn’t want free clothes?!

  425. cashimira

    April 15, 2008 at 1:22 am

    Great hair–don’t touch it. The boots look good. The leg color just seems to fit the weather. Nice dress–it going to be hard to beat at the Gap.
    Leave well enough alone!
    Thanks for posting the picture.

  426. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 1:35 am

    Oh, she’s quite pretty. Looking forward to the results.

    However this goes, I’d like to see a men’s fashion makeover in a similar vein.

  427. Patagonia Community

    April 15, 2008 at 1:52 am

    I don’t really have the patience to read all 400+ comments so forgive me if this is redundant, but I love the idea of the make-over (and I think you’re right–prob best to keep it a one-time thing). It’s a nice twist on the Sartorialist page. First the back stories on the pics and now a make-over–you’re feeling frisky.

  428. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 1:54 am

    Makeovers! Can the Sart get any better?

  429. ellastica

    April 15, 2008 at 1:59 am

    oh i have a girl-crush on her!
    she looks quietly confident.
    it seems she wanted to keep things casual and not overly styled or thought out.
    she does have killer legs so it’ll be interesting to see what foot-wear alternatives you guys come-up with.

  430. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 2:11 am

    In a parallel universe you could have tried to post this photo without any remarks and I bet, that people would have raved about her looks…. That’s just one point that seems kind of obvious here.

    Secondly: I think she looks hip, the boots are cool, her legs look fine and well-proportioned in them.
    I don’t like the stockings, true, but that’s the only thing that springs to my mind that really needs to be changed. But the hair is really pretty and could or could not be shorter. It’s really pretty as it is.

    Anyway, this was interesting to see: all those people starting to pick on this look…. I think it has it’s fab parts to it as all other pictures.

  431. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 2:26 am

    the rain in spain stays mainly in the plain.

    mmm, i for one who like to have a makeover by scott!

  432. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 2:30 am

    Dear Sart,
    I must start by saying I have been a huge fan of yours, but I must echo some of the other comments and say that I am a little bit revolted by your whole ‘makeover’ idea.
    Has this blog been hijacked by someone else (or dare I say it J.Crew or Gap)? It seems so out of character.
    I hope you return to celebrating self expression and individuality sometime soon. Sadly I have lost a little bit of respect for this blog.

  433. Anders

    April 15, 2008 at 2:34 am

    I have to agree with many of the others. The girl doesn’t need a make-over, nor do I think she would benefit much from one. The hair looks gorgeous and so does the outfit. I don’t see anything wrong with the boots. She wears them really well. She could do with a colorful accessory of some sort, but that’s it. Sure, make-overs can be fun, when there’s need for them, but a make-over for no reason makes me feel a little uncomfortable.

    And why a young girl? Girls and women are already under so much pressure to look attractive. What you’re saying here is that young and beautiful is not enough, we need to go even further, and then putting it on the net for the world to see.

    Why not pick one of those blokes in their goofy “2 sizes too small” suits that we’re so fond of around here? Goat knows they could do with some advice.

  434. Sarah

    April 15, 2008 at 2:49 am

    I love this idea! She’s so cute already (fashion issues and all, really) that I can’t wait to see how she’ll look with some guidance.

    To be honest, when I first started reading this entry, I wasn’t paying close attention and I thought, “Oh my goodness, she’s a fan and he’s writing all this horrible stuff!” But then I kept reading and felt like an idiot. haha

    First time commenter, but I want to say that I absolutely love this blog.

  435. Salla

    April 15, 2008 at 2:58 am

    Hi,

    I really like this site. But with this picture…I don’t get the idea. Why take her picture and then mock her?

    I’m just worried you’ll screw up her angst look, which is perfect right now. Come on, she’se an artist, she’se supposed to look like everything doesn’t quite fit into place, that’s the power of her personality.

  436. Karina

    April 15, 2008 at 3:00 am

    I understand why you would see something not correct with her style etc, but I was surprised when I looked at her. She looks great; the boots – you are correct, but because of her size she can easily pull it off. I think they make her look more relaxed than a long pair of boots would. The pantyhose do make her legs looks just that tiny bit sexy, so the whole outfit doesn’t become too relaxed. The dress is perfect for her, and her hair is lovely. I don’t think it should be too short, and a deeper red color would be better than a more light blond, I think. Over all, there are seriously some people out there who need much more of a makeover than her. I would actually, if seeing her in real life, think she looked really nice and had a great personal style.

  437. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 3:01 am

    He is not treating her LIKE A DOLL. Dolls lack a thought process or control over the actions of others. This makeover seems collaborative, meaning that Sart AND this young, beautiful girl decided TOGETHER that a makeover might produce results that will further INDIVIDUALIZE her, helping her–as Sart wrote–find HERSELF.

    Dolls don’t find themselves.

  438. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 3:02 am

    I enjoy your blog since it finds joy in how people present themselves. A makeover indicates this beautiful girl doesnt make some sort of grade (and I am sure you don’t mean that). Have fun but I’m in agreement with Sandra at 825AM.

  439. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 3:22 am

    Celebrate the individual! Leave the girl alone. When I browse the street blogs, the photos that I enjoy the most are not the prefectly styled, sleek, shiny ones, but the ones that do things ‘wrong’. Please, please don’t change that. You are an observer, a commentator, not the maker of your subjects.

  440. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 3:31 am

    This girl is so cute, that it seems cruel to even want to make her over.

    I’m sure she will enjoy the experience though!

  441. patiopatio

    April 15, 2008 at 3:34 am

    after briefly skimming through 405 comments, i had to ask myself a question: how does the sartorialist wanting to help a girl who asked for his help incur so much bitterness and outrage? it’s a blog people, go read some proust.

  442. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 3:36 am

    To engage with the argument – if this was a ‘completely change her image and self-presentation’ makeover then we would be playing dolls. But the Sartorialist is a fashion expert with a lot of years of experience – and what he wants to do here is say, ‘Hey, this length is nicer than this length because of your facial proportions, these boots flatter you more because they look like part of your outfit rather than a non-sequitur.’
    NOT, ‘Hey, wear this, this, this and this and you’ll look just like The Shape of Denim, Milan from April 09! Awesome!’
    His tips should be on the basics of good style, shape, colour and proportion and not about what someone ‘like’ Phoenix should look like.

    At least, I hope that’s the gist. I too would hate to see her as a Gap Crew girl or any sort of fashion victim. I love short hair on people with full lips – but so long as you can see her face and it’s above the base of her neck it should suit and make her look taller and brighter. That I agree with (but then, I just love short hair generally. And please don’t dye it – that’s an amazing colour.)

    Good luck, I hope both parties enjoy and that Phoenix looks and feels awesome and still very much herself afterwards. Have fun!

  443. The Fashion Assistant and her Camera

    April 15, 2008 at 3:36 am

    interesting comments!!! Sart..I’m a big fan of yours, no matter what you post!!! keep it up!!!

    -wow 405 comments already?-

    K

  444. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 3:40 am

    Scott,
    Somethings can’t be changed. It’s sound a bit like Queer Eye for the Straight Guy or What Not to Wear. If you wanted to help her out, than I think the best thing you could have done is not have told people about it, just got on with helping her. If you help her out one on one and then have posted the makeover without anyone actually knowing it was one, then it would have been better.

    I think it’s a little bit out of context.

  445. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 3:56 am

    This site is about inspiration,personal taste and ideas to incorporate into one’s own individuality. makeovers are for those who lack inspiration, individuality and personal taste, and therefore have s/o else decide who they should be.

    in a previous post there was a woman whose “footwear made the look” (I think that was either you comment or posters), this girl just needs the right boots and maybe a turtle neck.

  446. cordelia

    April 15, 2008 at 4:31 am

    The big turmoil, more than 400 comments already! Many will say she did not need anything,many will say that she was lucky to have met you and accepted to try the make-over! I’m looking forward to see the result but she DID in fact look very cute.

  447. jkh

    April 15, 2008 at 4:36 am

    on a general notion i strongly agree with sandra: “I love the sartorialist because you find the best in what is. To start down the path of makeovers runs counter to what makes you and the people you photograph outstanding.”

    but now as you got the ball rolling you might just as well finish it.

    maybe it is a one time stunt… maybe you are going to have your makeover tv show soon.

    but for now i tend to agree with your headline… The First (and Hopefully Only) Sartorialist Make-Over

  448. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 4:37 am

    Sartorialist – “I asked if I could take a shot of her but after a few tries I realized this would never go on The Sartorialist.”

    That’s not a problem is it? – then why post her then?

    A subjective view on people who catch your eye by wearing something you feel is right or in a way that makes you want you share it, hence educating the untrained eye can be quite inspiring, but this post seems just wrong – no better than the current cultural climate of TV talent shows and style magazines that always know better

    She is an art student who is expressing herself and looking fabulous. How can that be wrong, it’s fresh and healthy surely?

  449. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 4:46 am

    The hair definitely needs a different structure, I think going shorter and blonde would accentuate her features.

    As for the comments re the boot, I do agree. Even though she has an amazing figure, why dress to not highlight it?

    Unimpressed by the dress.

  450. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 4:55 am

    What an interesting idea! I agree w/ prev. posters that a makeover is very different from the photographic observations you usually make. Perhaps, if you decide to do more makeovers, you could place them on a separate blog?

    As for this particular girl, she is already lovely — though it’s only the slimness of her legs that keeps those clunky boots from being a disaster. But why, may I ask, are black hose a faux pas? And why did you choose to comment — for the first time ever, to my knowledge — on the length of *her* beautiful, well-kept, healthy-looking hair, rather than on the scraggly, over-long, greasy-looking coifs of some of your previous subjects (e.g., the striking Vogue editor in neutrals, or the pretty blonde in black-and-neon-geometric leggings, or half of the Parisian women)???

    Please don’t change this girl’s gorgeous hair color if she doesn’t want to, and please don’t let her cut it short unless she really, really wants to; regretting a serious hair-chop is a terrible feeling! What about simply trimming a little of the weight out of her hair, parting it in the middle to flatter her short face and sexy mouth, and finger-drying it to create loose, summery waves?

    Also, figure-wise, the girl appears to resemble Claire Danes a bit (though it’s sort of hard to tell with that loose dress): slender, probably small-waisted, wide-shouldered, with a longish-looking torso; she’d look amazing in something with a very fitted waistline, and impeccable tailoring!

    Can’t wait to see the results… (-:

  451. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 5:01 am

    I think you should give her a hacked Agyness Deyne crop… or similar – even Mia Farrow esk? She needs some accessories for the neckline also…

  452. Chris

    April 15, 2008 at 5:11 am

    I’m with you on the boots; they never work. I’d skip the generic Gap gear and go with vintage. Set her a budget and turn her loose in a thrift store.

    As for the hair — it’s an exceptional natural color; I think you’d be doing her a disservice to change it (not to mention sticking a poor student with semi-monthly touch-up bills). There is too much volume down low, although I think that keeping it shoulder-length is important to balance her rather round (but very pretty) face. If she goes much shorter, the roundness of her face will only be exaggerated. I’d do a swing-bob, with a Japanese touch (spiky bangs, maybe a little asymmetrical).

  453. Jessica

    April 15, 2008 at 5:21 am

    Oh definitely! She should go short hair, a more edgy bob haircut, and maybe some more colour like red/mahogny?! I think that would look fantastic. Excited for the result..

  454. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 5:21 am

    Personally i find it arrogant to meet someone in a street and suggest a make over. to me she looks youthful and attractive and alot of women would pay alot of money for that colour of hair. Disappointed.

  455. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 5:28 am

    Pheonix did not decline your offer & good for her. She has confidence to understand where this is going.

    She has her own style and I’ll bet she will no doubt choose her own style through whatever you pick and or offer….

    I do love the color of her hair though & hope that does not change…. perhaps a cut with layers.

  456. Blaise

    April 15, 2008 at 5:39 am

    Wow Sart, I can’t wait for this makeover.. I like the fact that her name is Phoenix and the color of her hair is red.. The cut makes her look too mature.. she could use a great haircut..

  457. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 6:18 am

    I think that’s no good idea, but we will see…

  458. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 6:51 am

    not the hair !
    i think she looks cool you are dissing her way to hard. not a fan of this whole before-after thing…sorry !

  459. Maria

    April 15, 2008 at 7:51 am

    I hope a flaw in the “ideal” somebody has of “perfect” does not make me such an easy target. The woman looks extremely cute, and yes not everybody can flaunt the most expensive pieces that barely sometimes can bring balanced proportions. I agree about the suggestion of higlights just being absurd…what about suggesting boob jobs?

  460. cris

    April 15, 2008 at 7:59 am

    a fantastic idea. i like very much this. that you write and explain

    thank you

  461. a girl named Rock.

    April 15, 2008 at 7:59 am

    How great! Can’t wait to see the results! It sort of reminds me of the photos you have taken of people twice, usually with about a year in between. They typically have undergone their own makeover!

  462. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 8:07 am

    If the girl is ok with it, why not?
    I agree with you Sart, I think a lot of people do want some change and need a bit of help to go ahead and do it.

    I’ll wait to see the post-makeover. Very excited to see what you’ll do

  463. SpinDoctor

    April 15, 2008 at 8:40 am

    As an experiement Changing Pheonix will be interesting; if only to see how many SatRats will prefer the ‘before’ to the ‘after’. But please, please, please make this a one-off – the world already has plenty of places to view perfectly remodelled models. Keep The Satorialist as the Home of the Individual – with their own style and their own pixie boots!

  464. Bandida

    April 15, 2008 at 8:40 am

    A long and soft bob would be lovely on her. I could see her as a jeans – white tanktop – leatherjacket kinda`girl. Romantic bikerchic.
    Good look, looking forward to seeing her!

  465. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 8:44 am

    You are right, her hair is abit to long, but I like the colour. And the boots are awful, it makes her legs look short, in fact both her long hair and boots makes her look alot shorter than she probably is.
    Why go to gap or J, take her to H&M to get some basic clothes and then go shopping vintage..

  466. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 8:50 am

    sart! these are the most comments you have ever gotten on this blog, correct? so you must have struck a nerve! can’t wait to read more…

  467. Irene

    April 15, 2008 at 8:50 am

    I like the colour of her hair. I also think she could go a light strawberry blonde colour.
    I think a chin length bob a la Natalia Vodianova would really complement her neck and delicate features.

  468. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 8:53 am

    Your totally out of line here. This is borderline bullying. Start with yourself instead.

    You wear short pants but you have no legs so you look even shorter than the three apples you actually measure. What’s with the Marines haircut? Baldness seldom goes well with other clothes than camo uniforms or NBA jerseys.

    Good luck with your make over!

    Brummel

  469. La étincelle

    April 15, 2008 at 8:57 am

    I think cutting her hair would really do alot for her neckline and her face, it would allow her cute face to be in centre and I think it would really give her a more mordern look, and it would defenetly give her a kind of soft-attitude that she really seems to be needing.

  470. COME ON!!! Frankie says relax

    April 15, 2008 at 9:00 am

    I think its amusing how so many ppl seem to ba “insulted” by this makeover.

    1. Lighten up, we’re not talking about world peace here.. it’s styling tips, this really shouldn’t be offending your moral sensibilities. And let he who has never given style/clothing advice to a friend throw the first stone!

    2. She’s getting a free makeover, why the hell not? She seems to have been comfortable enough to approach Mr. Schuman of her own volition, and up for a change.

    3. I’ll bet the majority of you who are all up-in-arms about this makeover ruining the “integrity of an individual’s style” have AT LEAST ONCE posted a comment on another outfit from this site.. probably saying something along the lines of…
    “Well she/he has a beautiful face but I dislike those pants, they don’t sit right and that colour is terrible with her/his complexion, the shoes are nice but she/he should try wearing another top, perhaps with a V-neck…”

    SOUND FAMILIAR????

    You people and your ridiculousness make me laugh… You do realize pretty much everything in fashion is copied/inspired/styled from someone/something else right?

  471. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 9:05 am

    Yes, go short! A dramatic line will inspire her and enhance that beautifully shaped face. Leave a long bang for coquettish looks. But cut it short so she can just wash, shake and go. It will change her life.

    Sexy is not dependent on long!

  472. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 9:20 am

    She might be my favorite post on your site (and believe me, I’ve studied ALL of them during my boring hours at work!)

    She looks like someone from a David Lynch movie where you can’t place her decade… and she’s remarkably beautiful. She looks like she hasn’t lived in New York for very long. I would be inspired by her.

    Her fatal mistake is that she doesn’t OWN IT and tell you to beat it when you suggest a makeover! I **love** you to death Sart, but you can seem a bit class-hungry sometimes: you really appreciate the ‘style’ of a certain slice of the strata (yacht-ishness, europhilia, ivies)that isn’t particularly interesting at the end of the day.

  473. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 9:27 am

    i think the dress is the only issue, cropped sleaves would balance the colours nicely i think the boots are fine she has lovely legs and her hair is amazingly thick and lushious it would completely take away her air. i think you pretty judgemental on the girl i’m a photographer myself and it’s never the models fault, you yourself need to learn to work with what you’ve got, your seeing things too materilisticly, open your mind a bit.

  474. Angelica T

    April 15, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Wow, who woulda thunk a make-over involving two consenting adults would cause such an uproar! It’s interesting to note Sart’s word choice: JCrew clothes are indeed ‘reasonably priced’ for the quality of clothing they offer. H&M are affordable … because their clothes disintegrate in the wash. I personally would rather pay two or three hundred dollars for a blazer & know that it will last a bit longer.

  475. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 9:44 am

    she does have lovely hair, but that shouldn’t mean she can’t cut it off. I think that length of hair, is hiding her neck, but keep that hair color, please!

    I think a shorter cut would really show off her gorgeous face.

    I like those boots, and I think she can get away with them, but I do think the dress is a bit shapeless, and you’re right about that neckline, Sart.

  476. in lots of the more disparaging comments i seem to hear the tone of someone who feels they’ve been wounded by a kind of betrayal. when it comes down to it any number of other commenters can think what you like about what ‘street style blogs were meant to’ be, but to me any prescription (going beyond comment into giving him instructions about what he ought to be doing) from the readers to its creator, and sole creator, about what The Sartorialist should be is not only an illegitimate criticism of the whole project, since without his efforts it would not exist, but it is also quite rude to the man himself to say that its content or direction doesn’t come up to your cookie-cutter standard of what it ought to be.

    The Sartorialist isn’t just a blog, he’s a person; in fact it’s a very clever name in that it gives us not only an everyman figure in whose placeholder shoes we can all put ourselves – by being readers we are ourselves sartorialists – and an expression of the ethos its people represent – the support of ‘sartorialism’ per se – but a role for the man himself. and to say, as many people have been, that this new post somehow contradicts the spirit of the thing is madness when you think that The Sartorialist the entity has no separate existence from the one man (also The Sartorialist in a nice example of structural metonymy) who provides it with content. Scott Schuman doesn’t have to spend his precious time photographing these people and certainly isn’t obliged to share them with us webpeople – he does it, it seems, because it gives him some satisfaction, and it seems ungrateful to then throw all that effort in his face when he does something he fancies and then tells us about it on there. why shouldn’t he be allowed to step out from behind the camera and give some active advice now and then? or whenever he likes for that matter?

    to answer the clothes horse, of course it’s ‘only the personal style the photographer likes’ – it’s not between us the reader and the subject of the photo, part of the beauty of the whole thing is that the artist interposes and mediates between these two poles. he’s not some faux-objective automaton who takes a statistically significant representative sample of the world’s dressers. if he took out the subjectivity, the blog would have no purpose – the reason we watch him so closely is because of his sense of taste and discernment – he doesn’t present us with any ol’ thing and that’s principally why he has such a following. to turn around and say he shouldn’t be applying his own taste to other people seems, to me, hypocritical from someone who obviously follows the blog – he has no manifesto pledges that he promised us he’d stick to in return for the keys to his lens cap as our elected representative for style – if you don’t like it, whether that’s in terms of the tone of the content or simply the sense of style which he uses to decide who to photograph (maybe you detest pocket squares), don’t read it – simple solution. otherwise it’s best to be open-minded and not to try to change the blog from the outside. he said it himself: I think this is making for a great conversation but i should be allowed to have a point of view.

    the last point that since she’s pretty anyway, advising her would somehow be elitist again seems rather silly. who are we to judge? well we’re as good as any, and we’d judge anyway for the good or the bad or whatever – there’s nothing wrong with expressing that judgement, especially if it’s asked for, and yet moreso because it was particularly requested of Sart whose experience in making decisions about taste and discerning between nuances of style, proven by her having been a fan of the site, was what motivated Phoenix to ask in the first place. unless he’s wrong or lying about her being a willing partner there can be nothing wrong with it unless ‘she’s such a naïve little girl (because she looks so young so that must tell us something about her mental state) that she couldn’t help but be swayed by his natural male superiority since she can hardly be expected to think for herself, being so purdy’n’all, so his even talking to her corrupts her purity and his taking her photo would surely steal her soul’. now which position looks bigoted and not taking her seriously as an independent being?

    further, he seems to have answered the qualm that he’s imposing on her in his follow-up comments: ‘I talked about this with her before i ever posted it and she is completely on-board. She felt the same way on most of the points I made and she wanted to try something new what makes you think I’m going to impose my style? I will give her my advice but the final decsion is hers’.

    to end, i thought this comment on the original post was very perceptive: ‘i think that it’s stupid that “personal style” has become a trend.’ any changes she makes to her style would be motivated by some form of subjective sense of taste, possibly even influenced by Sart in absentia since she reads the blog (and I’m sure there are few of us who’d say we could gain nothing from taking its unspoken advice). why is it that any not unspoken interference by Sart in person rather than at a remove has to be construed as spoiling her? i thought we’d acknowledged that the noble savage fantasy was quite pernicious and had gotten past it. apparently i was wrong.

    enzo.

  477. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 10:37 am

    I am a huge fan of the Sartorialist, but I must agree with those who are uneasy with the makeover idea. Of course, Scott, it is your blog and you should do with it what you wish. But some of my favorite moments are when you post a particularly bold look and ask viewers to refrain from “right/wrong” type assessments, to appreciate something else: the creativity, the colors, the ease or studied nature of the look… The makeover photo and caption seem to be asking “what’s right and/or wrong with this look.” There are makeover shows on tv for that sort of thing. Sartorialist, at least for me, has always been about something more.

  478. madeinearnest

    April 15, 2008 at 10:40 am

    500 comments. wow!
    can’t wait to see the results.

    the sart is changing what we wear.
    one person at a time.

  479. Han

    April 15, 2008 at 10:42 am

    Wow! Sart. mini-makeover!? I want one too! haha.

    She does need to cut her hair though. I totally agree with you there. Get rid of those ugly boots. Maybe add some simple earrings that add a little sparkle since she’s getting her hair cut.

    Gap and Jcrew are great picks for affordable clothing.

  480. Jen

    April 15, 2008 at 10:43 am

    Sart, do me do me do me too!!!

  481. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 11:13 am

    I thought the idea was to capture people they way they are not they way they should be. That is her. I think all of us make ourselves over over the years. All we have to do is look at photos of ourselves in years past and see how we have done that.

  482. CB3

    April 15, 2008 at 11:15 am

    Please take her to Tokio 7 vs. the Gap and J. Crew. The clothes will be much more interesting for the same prices.

  483. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 11:23 am

    Enzo

    Brilliant post.

    Sart, condescending? What’s condescending is a comment which assumes Phoenix is an untrammeled, perfectly contented girl who has been critized, trampled upon, and refashioned by Sart The Nabokovian Perv into a soulless mall clone. What a ridiculous and typically PC caricature.

    You can practically hear such commenters emitting high-pitched wails of shocked sensitivity from their carefully contrived snail shells of borrowed doctrines.

    Sart and Phoenix are grown-ups. Let’s see the results of their fun. The “reveal” might be a 1000-post thread full of wailing and recrimination, but I’m sure Sart will deliver a post that surprises us all. I won’t be surprised to see Phoenix’s own words, and would relish her laying into the naysayers with a few well-placed snubs.

    More power to her.

  484. The Knittymommy

    April 15, 2008 at 11:41 am

    What an exciting prospect for her… and for you too. I can’t wait to see what you do and how it turns out.

    I honestly wouldn’t mind being the makeoveree.

  485. Fiona Parks

    April 15, 2008 at 11:43 am

    I think those boots are cute.

    They cut your legs off, sure, but sometimes that seems okay – it just makes your body look a little different. Everyone can tell she’s got long, lean calves under their somewhere – she is just fooling us for now.

    I don’t think that has to be such a bad thing.

  486. Christine

    April 15, 2008 at 11:51 am

    Sartorialist-
    I hope you read this, though it is only the latest of probably the greatest number of comments you’ve received on a single post.
    I think you can probably tell that the makeover idea is controversial. I think it’s absolutely your and her prerogative to do this, especially as she’s still the one who’s wearing the clothes on a day-to-day basis. I do think, however, that you should do your own version of the makeover. Because this site is always about individualism, I think a way to do that might be by taking her window shopping, and then helping her to recreate looks she liked with her own clothes, or by helping her create new looks with clothes she already has. Part of my problem with our current makeover culture is the insistence on a total re-vamp and the naive focus on one totally new outfit and the ignorance of how people’s wardrobes actually work.
    Make it a Sartorialist makeover, not just a makeover done by the Sartorialist.

  487. k8

    April 15, 2008 at 11:53 am

    oooo la la! folks sure are fired up around here. isn’t this a style blog? isn’t it OK to point out that someone could use a tip or two to dial up her own personal look? i am one of those people who is really good at recognizing great style when i see it on someone else but a complete failure at putting things together on my own. i have a sister who absolutely has that innate sense of style and I never feel insulted when she makes suggestions or helps me shop. that’s all that’s happening here people. let’s save our indignation for something like human rights violations.

  488. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    definatly cut the hair short, she would look amazing with an a-symetrical pixie cut

  489. Jessica Swan

    April 15, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    it’s one thing finding art in everyday life. It’s a whole OTHER thing to point out someone and boldly proclaim that they do not fit your idea of “what is style/art/etc”. The latter is easy to do. It is the former that is hard and admired.

  490. Jennifer

    April 15, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    i think this idea is really interesting. i love this site!
    this girl has a beautiful face, and it’s true that you can’t see it with her thick hair. i think she would look great with really short hair. not many people have faces that can pull off such a look, but her slight features and delicate complexion really could.
    cool idea – it’s amazing how a bit of change stirs up the masses!!

  491. Ashley

    April 15, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    I’m excited to see how this turns out. Most girls would relish this opportunity–I’m sure she’s thrilled. Plus, now she’ll land herself a spot on the Sartorialist TWICE, and some kind of internet fame :]

    Man, I wish I was in that drug store! Except I’d half hope I wouldn’t need the make-over, heh.

  492. treetopbirdy

    April 15, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    This is interesting. I’ve been visiting this site regularly, recently for a bit of aesthetic “brain-scrub”. And one of the things I like about it is that we’re getting a single view.
    No “voting” no “collaboration”.
    The our tasteful Sartorialist’s view…
    If Phoenix (what an amusing name for a make-over recipient!) is willing – then this is very supportable.
    It’s like The Sartorliast does performance art. I look forward to the outcome!

  493. sz

    April 15, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    Someone else already said this, but I think the only thing this lovely girl really needs are dark, thick, opaque tights. The boots are urban and practical, and especially for an adorable young person I think they’re just fine. I love her necklace and the simplicity of her dress, as well as the color of her hair. Even her hairstyle is fine (but if she wants to get a trim on your dime, that’s probably OK, considering she’s a student!) Sorry, Sart, I love the blog but I’m just not seeing that much worth fiddling with here. And like others who have commented, I’m wondering, Why?

  494. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    I ABSOLUTELY agree with the first comment; she looks significantly better pre-makeover than most of the people you photograph.
    She has a beautiful face, which I do not think is hidden by her hair. The thcik hair only enhances the delicateness of her features.
    Her outfit is also individual, well put together and flattering on her. The plain dress, simple accesories, topped with those boots – fabulous. The boots add a rough edge, a touch of the ‘industrial’.
    I am completely suprised by your opinion Sartorialist! Each to their own of course, but I am still no less surprised. Again, she looks fabulous. I would think this ‘punky chic’ would be something only you would appreciate.
    With regards!

  495. Bryan

    April 15, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    Mr. Sartorialist, I think you need to heed all the commenters who feel that this is a “bad idea.” While your subjects are always fashionably and attractively dressed, they presumably dressed themselves and this makes your work very different from the typical fashion photographer. We thought that the point was to show examples of stylish people, to celebrate personal style. With this make-over you do the opposite: you open the person to criticism and list ways she needs to be improved. It doesn’t matter how she looks at the end or whether she made the final selection from the dresses you brought her, the idea of the make-over runs counter to what we thought the site was about. I think you should take this as a learning experience and cancel this makeover and all future ones.

  496. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    For Pete’s sake! Everyone who is scandalized by this experiment needs to step back and take a look at themselves. People are making comments about how this site celebrates individual style choices and sees the beauty rather than the bad — and with this “makeover” Sart is somehow becoming corrupted. Please. I regularly read the comments here and posters are tearing outfits up and down. Comments like…she’s too skinny, that looks dreadful, smoking is ugly, her hair looks like a rat’s nest…. Then people add their two cents on how they would improve the look.

    The only difference here is that the subject has verbally signed up for the input. I’m excited to see the outcome.

  497. Kate of All Trades

    April 15, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    Totally agree, her hair should be shorter. You can hardly see her face, which I’m sure is lovely. Do it! Cut it off!

    And thanks for pointing out the issue with the boots. You’re right, not so flattering.

  498. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    Leave the hair color. Layered chin-length bob. And keep her in flats. She’s beautiful. I think it’s the purse, necklace and tights that don’t work. Then the boots, which LOTS of girls that age are wearing. Good luck. I’m excited!

  499. zauberei

    April 15, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    geez louise people, really?

    As a college student myself ( I am actually sitting in a lecture right now on german expressionism yikes!) I would be so incredibly thrilled to get a makeover from the Sartorialist. I am twenty years old and getting ONE outfit put together by a master of style would by no means eliminate my sense of individuality and I assume that this is the same for this girl. Just because she is young does not mean that you can discount her own sense of self to the extent that a haircut and a new outfit would make her into a clone! that is just down right absurd.

    The whole point of this site is for inspiration and as a young reader I am excited to see what you do with someone my own age. (Especially if you go the J-Crew route because I am thoroughly obsessed with their online store).

  500. Trent Alic

    April 15, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    yeah the hair is a bit of a problem. how divine would this be if the hair was just tied back and she threw on a pair of pumps? we would also need some dark focus on the eye, though. hmm. i’m glad you found her.

  501. Andrea

    April 15, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    I have a similar face shape. I kept trying to go long but it just wasn’t working. Perhaps thanks to a horrible hair cut I ended up chopping off all the length to a bob with bangs. What a difference and I’ve never received so many compliments on my hair! You can’t be afraid of change.

  502. Michelle

    April 15, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    when could any girl wear a short boot then?

    as for the hair, maybe thin it out instead of shorten it. but she does have a beautiful long neck so short might just do the trick!

  503. Jean

    April 15, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    You have opened up the proverbial
    can of worms.

  504. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    I think her hair would look very cool short, although if it’s given a chance to grow, with her colour, I think it would look beautiful long!

  505. Robin

    April 15, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    She’s gorgeous the way she is. Truly.

    Robin

  506. cyndee

    April 15, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    keep doing your thing sart! im so excited to see her new look.

  507. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    seems like most of you missed this part:

    “we are not going to make some huge transformation, she doesn’t need it, but we can make a few changes that will really make a big impact on her personal presentation”

    my personal opinion: that outfit is NOT flattering at all.

  508. kelli

    April 15, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    I’m not sure I understand everyone’s disapproval of this project. I myself am not a fan of make-overs that impose a look or affect the persons natural tastes and styles but almost anything has room for improvement or change. For me its like in design, you may look at your work for three days straight and not see that a letter or object would be better placed somewhere else. This is of course purely objective, at least sometimes. I think as long as she is a willing participant then by all means, have fun, see what becomes of it.

    Embrace and enjoy change.

  509. Kati

    April 15, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    I didn’t see my comment I posted yesterday, so I thought I would put my two cents in again: She looks fine! French New Wave!! Yes~!

  510. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Don’t change her amazing hair color! That’s the color I wish I had!!

  511. ykhym

    April 15, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    for me she looks very fresh and it is beautiful

  512. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Her look is great. She doesn’t need a make-over I think she had her own style but maybe she must wear more colorful clothes.

  513. Stephanie

    April 15, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    definetly a good short hair cut would show more of her face, but yeah keep the color

    and for the next make over? pick me! hahaha

  514. rosemary

    April 15, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    i’m sure someone already said this, but as i can’t be bothered to read all 526 comments…
    not all of us can walk around town in heels all day. i live in berlin, where nearly every single female wears flat shoes everyday. it might not do a ton for berlin’s fashion reputation, but it keeps everybody out of the ER with broken ankles.
    just sayin’.

  515. Ann (MobayDP)

    April 15, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    lol…what fun! :)

    She’s a brave little soldier to have 500+ people critique her in front of the whole world.

    And you’re a brave soul for actually letting in the whole world on this little project of yours. ;-)

    I wait eagerly to see the fabulous results.

  516. Salóme

    April 15, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    She’s gorgeous, love the color of her hair.
    I’d go for short – something bob-y to accentuate her jawline?

  517. Jennifer

    April 15, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    She has a beautiful face. Be careful not to give her a haircut that will make it look fat. Give her clothing with colors that will accentuate her complexion and complement her hair. Light blue, pastel green, white, or any bold color except red will look great. Keep the fabrics lighter to add to her feminine appeal. She does a great job with makeup on her own.

  518. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    I think alot of people have been left with a bad taste because they didn’t imagine you would be so judgemental, that you walk around thinking ‘gosh, she looks bad.’ I always imagined you would hunt for beauty, not your opinion of flaws, andby saying she’s not Satorialist worthy, it makes readers feel they are not worthy to read the Satorialist either because not all of us look worthy every day.
    If you delivered the idea differently by saying you met a girl who wants some help style-wise rather than saying she looks bad and you took pity on her, you may have not got this reaction.

  519. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    I understand why you wouldnt usually use this image for your blog, a very pretty girl but a ordinary outfit. When you create a street fashion blog you have to be picky about who you choose and its not about being snobby!
    Although i think Scott could make anyone look great, he is a fantastic photographer and most of the time its not even the outfit im looking at, its the whole photograph, the composition, the background, the colours!

    Cant wait to see the result :)

  520. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    She’s so young! She can do whatever she wants -with her clothes at least- and still look young and beautiful. By the way, I can´t resist suggesting…what about a bob, even an almost black colour? Because she can! Celina

  521. Gabriela

    April 15, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    Impossible to read all those 526 comments… I thin this could be fun while you keep her individual sense of style and her perosnality. I hate when girls paint their hair yellow and wear coolish trendy stuff just because that is the ONLY thing they think that can be COOL. Cool can be so many differant things, I just hope and trust you’ll get the right ones for her.

  522. AnastasiaC

    April 15, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    forgot to ask – who is going to fund this makeover?
    also since you claim you are not a hair guru who do you plan to ask for fashion and style advice??
    i think she should avoid wearing all black…to harsh against her skin tone!! but I agree with most – all this outfit needs is opaque tights, she has the body and leg lenght for the boots although I have to agree – they do cut the leg short….

  523. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    It seems to me that many of you are missing the point of this makeover.

    Most of the nay-sayers make it sound like Scott has abducted her and forced her to take part in a personality destroying “GAP-ifying” of her style. I’m glad most of you have been able to see that that is not the case. I’m not sure her personal style is represented entirely by this outfit, and with some good advice, and some tweaking she could turn an ordinary look, into something incredible. The Dress/Tights/Hair/Necklace combo, really doesn’t do anything for me, however I disagree with the comment about the boots. She has great legs and can certainly pull them off.

    Personally, I would not be remotely offended if Scott would take me to J.Crew and GAP to help me find some new digs for the upcoming school year(Hint hint), and wouldn’t feel like my style was being bitten at all. However, I do hope that this is the last of the Sartorialist makeovers, though I’m not even sure why. Regardless, great shot.

    P.S. Go Short.

  524. Alison

    April 15, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    I agree that the hair needs to go! It is too heavy looking for her face and frame.

    If you look closely, she already has a wonderful shape going with the bangs and the first layer. Just have everything cut off from that point down. Her hair will look heavenly and definiely KEEP THE COLOR!!

    As for the clothes – You have many, many subjects that make me go HUH? with their choice of combos and this is just another one.

    If she wants the makeover then great, because I thinks needs one.

  525. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Think for a moment….
    She has a style that some like, some don’t & The Sartorialist has offered a makeover…..

    Put Carine Roitfeld (sp) in her clothes and how would the picture look? Absolutely beautiful.

    So, all of this boils down to a person’s sense of style.

    I like her just the way she is -

  526. Avril Marchegiano

    April 15, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Her hair colour definitely should not change, but she would look great with a pixie cut

  527. Alexandra

    April 15, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Makeovers are fun! If she welcomes the change, I don’t see the problem with it. It’s always nice to get a “professional” opinion of your style and what you could do to hilight your beauty.

  528. Wes

    April 15, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    I think she is just magnificent looking.i think her hair could use a bit of thinning but the length is fine.
    you take wonderful pictures but i think you should leave this young lady alone.She is finding her own sense of style and I admire her for not looking like most of the slobs i see her age.She looks great.

  529. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    congratulations on the stellar response you’ve received from this post.

    it’s good to know that your fans can be open and honest with you while still maintaining a high level of appreciation for your work.

    s.

    (2:02pm|04.14.08)

  530. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    She has a beautiful face, short hair will accentuate that. Don’t color it that color is what woman who dye their hair everywhere hope to achieve. A Sienna Miller cut circa 3 years ago would look great on this girl and bring out the shape of her face and the color of her eyes. She needs some styling for sure but I think that can be trusted in your hands. Combat boots are back but have to be correctly styled. Too me if you see her outfit as two pieces they don’t align.

  531. whats the skinny

    April 15, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    i agree…her hair needs to go! she has an ethereal look, something more like a pixie cut would be great!

    yes, those boots have to go, too. a ballet flat would be better.

    i would like to see this girl in a skinny jean and a platform shoe?

  532. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    I think this is a great idea! If only once, then all the better. It is generous and fun and we shall all see, I believe, an impressive transformation. This girl IS beautiful, and she DOES have personal style…but she is probably thrilled to have someone with your taste level and obviously good intentions take her to a whole new level of self expression and confidence.

    For those who have some philosophical issue with this concept or feel that a makeover is critical or wrong- PUH-LEASE!!!!! You are logged on to a fashion website, looking at people because they were photographed for what they are WEARING. Get over yourselves and lighten up!

    I can’t wait to see what happens.
    Love the bob idea. Also like her color as is very much…perhaps just a tweak??? Oh-the suspense.

  533. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    i am a fan of your site and i think the makeover is great. it is YOUR SITE anyway so you can do whatever you want with it.

    why be a hypocrite? haven’t you ever seen someone and thought of ways to improve his/her look.

    and people please.. you know you’ll be back to see what happens. go for the make over – i am looking forward to it!!!

    g

  534. Anonymous

    April 15, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    When I think about it, I wonder if part of the problem with the idea of a makeover is the way you critiqued her current look? Maybe it would’ve helped the dissenters to understand why you’re doing what you’re doing if you’d written less of a put-down of her current look (which comes of fas–perhaps unintentionally–very, very mean-spirited) and more of a list of suggestions as to how to play up her best attributes? I assume you’re not reading this comments anymore, as there are so many, and I’m not sure you’ll publish any more to the site under this particular subject, but I think maybe the writing was part of the trouble.

  535. aml

    April 15, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    another amendment: if you do go out to williamsburg, there is also an APC surplus store there, as well as AMARCORD, a fantastic store that sells vintage italian stuff. but BEACON’S CLOSET may be worth the trip by itself.

    ok, that’s all. PLEASE show us the results!

  536. Joseph

    April 15, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    I have no real opinion on the “beauty” aspect of this makeover, but style-wise, I would say keep the dress, but lose the hose and boots. Go for gladiator sandals!

  537. Jenni

    April 16, 2008 at 12:24 am

    Keep the color. Cut it shorter in the back and longer in the front for a clean, slightly punky line. Stay away from J.Crew and Gap. Try H&M and Zara. Great basics and fashion pieces at a low price. I’d reccomend a vest, some dresses, some skinny jeans and leggings, a longer “boyfriend blazer”, some lace-up high-heeled booties (for fancy), and some ballet flats (for casual).

  538. leaf21

    April 16, 2008 at 3:24 am

    I think that an asymmetric bob, longer on the front and quite short on the back, would bring out her lovely round face.. for the colour it seems to me (but it could be just the light in the photo, I don’t know) a little ‘faux’, maybe coming back to her natural brown and then adding a really light honey effect with some henne? but honestly I think she can carry out really a lot of different looks with no effort, she’s quite gifted!

  539. Eve

    April 16, 2008 at 3:51 am

    I feel as if Sart’s comments have been over analyzed and misconstrued.

    I also feel as if many commenters have taken the question of hair too seriously as to critique again every aspect of the outfit according to their tastes.

    THAT speaks of rudeness imo.

    I do think that a short hair cut about chin length or mid neck longer would be flattering on Phoenix.

  540. Anonymous

    April 16, 2008 at 4:14 am

    Uniqlo or H&M are more in the student budget than J.Crew. Plus, young female artists who hang out on the lower east side do not shop at J.Crew. It just doesn’t share the same fabulous options for the ladies as it does for the gents, at least there are not as many blendible pieces for women.

  541. Cerisa

    April 16, 2008 at 4:33 am

    I think keep the fringe, chop it all off and get it graduated at the back. Take her to vintage/charity shops – you’ll get better quality, more interesting stuff for less. Given her complexion I think she’d look ace in neutral toned, light fabrics (despite my personal inclination to make everyone wear bright colours) with pirate boots which I think are much more flattering than ugg types. (blergghh). Or else a loose cut striped shirt, tight cropped jeans and some high heeled boots, with red lipstick. I’m picturing androgynous.

  542. Cerisa

    April 16, 2008 at 4:34 am

    Oh and I like her hair colour.

  543. Anonymous

    April 16, 2008 at 4:50 am

    Love the blog, thank you, but don’t like this idea at all. I’m not surprised it has provoked so many comments, my first thoughts are that this is not cool. Let’s celebrate individualism in style rather than adapting someone to fit the mold, whatever that may be.

  544. Anonymous

    April 16, 2008 at 5:46 am

    I love that The Sartorialist is not about Do’s and Don’ts.
    It allows people wth very different tastes to look at the images and enjoy all of them. Some styles I might not respond to, but I can see that there is something there, that you have spotted something interesting.
    However, when a girl like this is chastised for her clothes, it is disheartening. I suspect that there is a dimension to her dress that does not carry through the photo (the clothes she’s wearing are probably quite wrong for the weather) but from what I see, her dress really merits no criticism. Boots that don’t quite fit is beautifully punk, and the blue dress makes her look like an 80s goth kid.

  545. Anonymous

    April 16, 2008 at 6:33 am

    You have such a beautiful face and colouring!
    IMHO: Leave the colour of your hair but cut it to jaw length like a short bob, heavily layered, higher at the back (nape of her neck) than front (the length of the section that curles under your chin in the photo).
    No fringe, just the one you already have (or do you call them bangs?).
    And your legs would look really great in opaque black tights!

  546. Anonymous

    April 16, 2008 at 6:38 am

    Oh, BTW, softer then Posh spice of course!

  547. AM

    April 16, 2008 at 6:48 am

    I think the length of the boots is just right as it stops right below the widest part of her calf.

    And so as not to change things too drastically… How about a v-neck short sleeved dress and a longsleeved turtleneck (not too thick though) inside if she’s up for a bit of layering? Two different shades of the same color perhaps or more on warmer colors.

    Since she has a long neck I’d go with two inches off her current hair length and then maybe layer it to take some weight off the back portion? I suppose she likes her hair at that length.

    Dunno about having it too short but when you grow your hair out it reaches that point wherein it becomes too short to tie, long enough to bother you kind of length. Which can get in the way when youre illustrating and all that.

  548. iamstyledam

    April 16, 2008 at 9:26 am

    opinions, everyone has one.

    she’s working a great vixen/cherub look that only girls her age can get away with. why go short with the hair and make her look like another London Shoreditch clone? Personally, I’d rather see more Juliet and the Licks than Kate Moss, Aygness trying to get their ‘coolness’ kicks.

  549. Anonymous

    April 21, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    so where are the results? It is killing me, I want to see how the sart. would make over someone.

  550. Anonymous

    April 22, 2008 at 6:40 am

    I browsed through the first few comments and nobody really said anything about that neckline…

    It’s the most unflattering part of the ensemble!

    And. Everyone could use a little criticism for improvement. Unless the girl in the photograph dresses for comfort and not aesthetics (which I doubt), working out how to make the outfit and herself look better is a good thing.

  551. leigh

    April 22, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    i happen to be a huge fan of cowboy boots…i think old, vintage ones in a nice chocolate brown look amazing with a lot of different combinations.
    i think the girl happens to be really beautiful but the tights with the dress…it’s just kind of drab. it seems that maybe she doesn’t have a personal sense of style…i don’t know. either way, i don’t think she looks terrible at all.

  552. Catherine

    April 23, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Are we ever going to see the results of your make-over??

  553. Anonymous

    April 30, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    i don’t know about the short hair.. as long as its not a bob. i know bobs are cool right now but they often look like soccer mom hair.
    and i think she is already very cute

  554. Anonymous

    April 30, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    Five hundred seventy plus posts. Sweet Jesus.

  555. Justina

    April 30, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    I’m with Catherine! I’m quite in suspense & especially curious about the fate of the hair.

  556. Anonymous

    May 1, 2008 at 12:54 am

    I’m no fashion-isto, but I’d make her hair a deeper red and keep the length, but give it sharp angles.
    She just needs some color in her outfit, and maybe clothes that are actually form fitting.
    Makeovers are always a toss up…good luck!

  557. Anonymous

    September 23, 2008 at 12:02 am

    So many posts complain about taking away her personal style. I personally can’t see what they are on about, her outfit looks just like what everyone is wearing at the moment. I’d love to see more young women encouraged to step away from the ridiculous styles promoted by fashion magazines and the like.

    And by ridiculous styles I definately include all ankle and mid calf boots.

  558. Anonymous

    September 23, 2008 at 1:38 am

    I’ve looked but can’t find it, is there an after shot?

  559. Anonymous

    August 5, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    I know it's been asked before, but how did it turn out? I know that this is old and that it's possible that there were no "after" pictures due to the drama, but… I thought it'd be interesting to see.

    (By the way. Every time you ask a friend's opinion on an item of clothing, if you take his or her opinion into account at all, you're having them help to "make you over" in a minuscule way. Not that anyone is still reading this, but I'm just saying.)

  560. Anonymous

    September 16, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    Where can I find the photos from the makeover? anna

  561. That Hat Lady

    December 28, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    The hair doesn't matter to me, but you should pick edgy clothes from H&M. She's young. If you want her to look matronly or ordinary, dress her in J Crew or Banana Republic. I should know, for 25 years I've had to wear that crap every day for work, and nothing is more boring. I'm always trying to jazz up the look with shoes and accessories.

  562. Anonymous

    December 30, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    She is perfect as is ~ hair, dress, hose and cool boots! You are mean!

  563. raisin mountaineer

    December 7, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    I’m laughing, because I searched on “boots” in your search engine and this is one of the pictures that came up. In fact, it is the ONLY picture I was interested in looking at, because I dislike knee-high boots intensely, and have been looking at motorcycle boots to wear instead. I thought: “Yes, a boot that shows the thigh and calf in balance, that doesn’t just say “look at my thighs, look at my thighs, look how huge these boots make my thighs look” like many knee-high boots do.

    I think she looks fabulous, as is. I’m disappointed that you didn’t think so. But oh well, what do I know from fashion?

    • joanna

      November 5, 2012 at 8:55 am

      HAHAHA I did the same thing!

      I have boots and dresses like that and I wear basically that exact outfit on my “fashionable” days so wanted to see what he had done too…… I dont know, I have realllly skinny legs so I think i can pull off the boots

  564. sanjaretro

    February 4, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Prety and sexy look!

  565. Emily

    May 2, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    I had always wondered what happened with this “project’…

  566. Joanna

    November 5, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Where is the link of her post-makeover???

    I have boots and dresses like that and I wear basically that exact outfit on my “fashionable” days so wanted to see what you had done:)

  567. Robert Hogenson

    April 3, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    Eres un maravilloso. Un abrazo

  568. Karen

    September 25, 2013 at 4:29 am

    Did the after-shot ever make the page?

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