Saturday, August 29, 2009

So What Do We Think About This?

This month Glamour magazine ran this photograph which has created quite a stir here in the US.

It seems women desperately want more images that highlight the variety of beauty that the female form has to offer. If that is true, then this should become one of the biggest selling issues in Conde Nast history.

Actually it just might become the biggest seller. When we wanted to do a post about this Tracy went to three different shops to find the magazine but all three were sold out. We had to scan this from the NY Post.

When I am shooting on the street older women and larger size women often say “no” to my request to shoot them. Actually, much more than any other category of people I shoot. I think they have a real suspicion about how the image will be used. I also think there continues to be a growing disconnect between the fashion community and “average” women in general

However, do you think that this economic crisis has forced the fashion community to open it’s eyes a little bit to what the customers want?


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  1. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 10:57 am

    I hope so!! Would also like to read more words in fashion magazines about people with style instead of trustfunds or hedge funds. You havebeen filling these gaps for me. thank you!

  2. Angela

    August 29, 2009 at 10:59 am

    i think the biggest piece of "awareness" in the fashion industry is how this model would be considered "plus size" or "regular size" when in fact I am sure in real life– out of magazines– she would be considered to look quite thin or "healthy." [healthy, i've decided, is what they call women who are not over-weight, but could definitely never strut a catwalk.]

    i think she is just a woman. a symbol of fashion? maybe. but i don't anticipate designers utilizing a woman of her "size" any time soon. if i think that is a good thing or not? i don't know. it kind of always has been "it is what it is".

  3. tanis kmetyk

    August 29, 2009 at 11:01 am

    No offense, but I think that you are giving the fashion industry far too much credit for suddenly becoming more "tolerant" of curves. Rather, it is the promise of the "biggest selling issue ever" that has them smacking their lips. In short, if it sells, they will push it. The minute it becomes yesterday's news, they will go back to the anorexic waif image that has ravaged a generation or two of young women.
    That having been said, I am ALL for this picture. I love seeing a "real" body, particularly on a model who looks like she's pretty darned happy to be exactly where she is right now. I love seeing the skin, the curves, the way the light caresses this body (rather than bouncing off the angles.)I even love the little pouch of skin on her tummy.

    I know it's been said a lot, but if Marilyn Monroe were starting out today she would probably never have even gotten to make her first movie. However, if you ask me to choose between her and, say, Calista Flockhart, as a reference for female beauty (and no disrespect to Ms Flockhart intended), I wouldn't even have to think once, much less twice!


  4. The Sartorialist

    August 29, 2009 at 11:05 am

    to be fair I dont think this picture even runs very big in the magazine so I dont think it was done soley to sell more magazines.

  5. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 11:07 am

    Unfortunately, I think they've embraced this photo because they knew it would create controversy and sell magazines. They are long overdue for more realistic images of women. Such a double standard….men can be any shape and size. Women have to be thin, tall and perfect. I wondered if you had also discriminated in this way, since your lovely photos usually portray young, thin women. I'm glad to hear otherwise.

  6. Jimmy

    August 29, 2009 at 11:09 am

    Va va voom!

  7. The Photodiarist

    August 29, 2009 at 11:11 am

    In my opinion, the key is health. So long as we are eating as well as possible, getting exercise and periodic checkups, size and shape should not matter. And we women should not wait for fashion mags to show this kind of image to get comfortable with our bodies.

  8. BookishPenguin

    August 29, 2009 at 11:13 am

    I hope this spurs some thought in the fashion community. I think it's harder to dress a "plus-sized" body because of the different curves and different ways people carry weight – and I think that is a little of what has held designers back.

    But what a challenge it would be! And if the majority of American women are a size 12/14 or higher, what a market! The first person to do this well and honorably and at a reasonable cost would make a mint.

  9. lopi

    August 29, 2009 at 11:16 am

    And to think that people have accused you of avoiding shooting larger women in the past… It's a pity these women refuse to have their picture taken. I hope to see more of them in fabulous outfits here in your blog, real soon.
    Keep up the good work!

    Cheers from Greece

  10. JouJou Loves You

    August 29, 2009 at 11:16 am

    What is there to think about? It is a beautiful, NATURAL, realistic woman in a magazine. We should have been looking at something like this years ago. Instead we get to look at starving, amazon women who don't even look like that themselves. Photoshopped with hair extensions, clips on their clothing to look perfectly tailored….it is very disheartening. I'm an AVID lover of fashion but I also know that fashion is selling a fantasy that the majority of us will never obtain.

    We should ask ourselves…why we let this industry control what is beautiful and what isn't? What is it about the elitists that appeal to the masses?

    The industry manages to grab a hold of women's insecurities so tightly that we all become slaves to Vogue's version of beautiful and 'in'.

    BOO on that.

  11. Dumbwit Tellher ♥

    August 29, 2009 at 11:17 am

    Bravo! Kuddos to this woman for agreeing to the photo shoot. She has balls.

  12. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 11:19 am

    She's hot.

  13. JFK Jean

    August 29, 2009 at 11:20 am

    I love this photo. I think it's a realistic view of a real woman's body and it's imperfections which I completely love, adore and still find sexy. It lets us know that models like us regular Joe's are not perfect. I'm pretty sure even though European woman have the stereotype of being smaller in size and shape too can appreciate the realness of this photo.

    She is far from being "plus size"……

    As far as the industry, of course it has opened up their eyes. They were forced into a corner just like any other business was. I agree with Tanis that once they get a chance, "issues" like this will go right out of the window and it'll be back to business as usual, "models under 110 lbs or bust". Thank you for bringing this up…..

  14. Soren Lorensen

    August 29, 2009 at 11:21 am

    it would be nice not to feel plump at anything above 100lbs

    but it will take a long time for some people to see this as fashionable or beautiful

    as a 20 year old female all I can say is that it's too late, our brains are washed.

  15. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 11:21 am

    Sir Mix-A-Lot called it ages ago:

    "…I'm tired of magazines
    Sayin' flat butts are the thing
    Take the average black man and ask him that
    She gotta pack much back
    So, fellas! (Yeah!) Fellas! (Yeah!)
    Has your girlfriend got the butt? (Hell yeah!)
    Tell 'em to shake it! (Shake it!) Shake it! (Shake it!)
    Shake that healthy butt!
    Baby got back!"

    (…edited for time/space…)

    "So Cosmo says you're fat
    Well I ain't down with that!
    'Cause your waist is small and your curves are kickin'
    And I'm thinkin' bout stickin'
    To the beanpole dames in the magazines:
    You ain't it, Miss Thing!
    Give me a sister, I can't resist her
    Red beans and rice didn't miss her
    Some knucklehead tried to dis
    'Cause his girls are on my list
    He had game but he chose to hit 'em
    And I pull up quick to get wit 'em
    So ladies, if the butt is round,
    And you want a triple X throw down,
    Dial 1-900-MIXALOT
    And kick them nasty thoughts
    Baby got back!"

  16. LeahOttawa

    August 29, 2009 at 11:22 am

    i dont think a re-focus would be a bad thing in light of the economic situation.
    i think the focus should be fashion and style – does it work or not work on the body wearing it?
    there are lots of people- slim or large, old or young with bad style.
    there are lots of prople- slim or large, old or young people with good style.
    let's give credit to anyone who can do it right.

  17. devies

    August 29, 2009 at 11:22 am

    I certainly wish that the beauty ideals will expand, and not only tall women with skinny legs will be considered beautiful. It's a start!

    Mr. Sartorialist, you're the best (:



  18. ricola

    August 29, 2009 at 11:22 am

    I think the fashion community has always centered on the world that surrounds the clothes rather than the clothes themselves, which are of course quite spectacular but only a means of attaining this particular fantasy. And its that fantasy, that ridiculous idealism that makes fashion Fashion. I doubt this photo will make the existing inhabitants of fashion take more notice, but I do think maybe it will entice a few new applicants. And visibility is a great way of causing awareness.

  19. Berry

    August 29, 2009 at 11:22 am

    I absolutely think it has.
    The recession has shown the fashion world that the average woman simply cannot afford the amounts that many designers slap on their price tags. Especially young woman who are either finishing up their education or just beginning their careers.
    It has also made people look at who the average woman actually is – normal size, no airbrushing. It's unlogical to think that women are going to be a size 0 or 2. Yes, there are many who are, but there are also a lot more who are not!

  20. ingefaer

    August 29, 2009 at 11:23 am

    I am very happy to hear you, at least try, to shoot pictures of older and also larger women.
    I am in the first category, I love fashion and people with style but often feel left out when it comes to images that have any realistic inspiration to me.

  21. t.

    August 29, 2009 at 11:23 am

    I'm all for this, though frankly, it's been long overdue.

    I don't understand why it has to be one or the other- as cliche as it sounds, beauty DOES come in all forms. If we celebrate all those forms, than maybe every woman would feel beautiful instead of struggling with the projected ideal.

    It shouldnt matter what magazines show, but in reality, it very much becomes a part of the communal psyche.

  22. geomom

    August 29, 2009 at 11:23 am

    I love this photo – don't forget Jamie Lee Curtis had a similar photo spread in More magazine a few years ago. I'd like to think that photos of real women would become a trend in print journalism, but I doubt it! Now that the general public knows how easy it is to retouch photos electronically, it is shocking to see a real image.

  23. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 11:24 am

    Awareness and acceptance of all body types are very
    important in real social life. Fashion industry always
    catered to fantasy world values. It is tragic that the range of that fantasy has been so narrow in the last
    40 yrs, i.e. waifs as the standard. Today, that trend has not abated like your post may suggest, but has intensified into the realm of men. Look at, for example, the A.P.C website. the boys are anorexic looking if not actually so. And the cut of clothes reflect that.

  24. Serendipity

    August 29, 2009 at 11:25 am

    Ok, i live in Peru and if we talk about fashion, fashion magazines or looks, we are far away of this reality. We get pictures and covers of girls that do not represent us.

    However, i do have a fashion blog well readed in latin america and i can say that women want to see real women. That we are not all skinny girls and that if we learn how to shop and really enjoy it, the fashion community wouldn't be so damage (in a money talking-way).

    There are lots of regular and big girls that want to shop -have the money- and they just don't know how. I have readers writting to me from Chile, Mexicom Argentina, Venezuela and Colombia, and their biggest question is "how to dress if i dont look like a model???"

    I think that this magazine issue should be follow by teaching real girls how to look their best, and probably, they would buy more, spend more. This is a target willing to spend, we just have to give them a chance.

    Love your blog!!!

  25. MissMoll

    August 29, 2009 at 11:26 am

    I'm all for magazines showing regular sized women. It's all about trends… models in the 80's and early 90's were "larger" than they are now so hopefully the trend will swing towards healthier sized models. Although why is it any time magazines highlight "plus sized," they're still 6ft tall?! And finally, the extra roll of skin looks oddly shaped- like she lost weight rapidly. Just a thought.

  26. JFK Jean

    August 29, 2009 at 11:26 am

    to Anonymous @ 11.07

    I don't want to speak for Scott but his photos aim to portray the different styles he'd like to feature here, some more than others happen to be young and thin women. He just said older and plus sized women were the likeliest to say no to him and he has featured both groups before so I don't think he's out to discriminate anyone.

  27. Paco+Lupe

    August 29, 2009 at 11:31 am

    I'm 5ft tall, Asian, dark hair, weigh just over 100lbs. What are the odds you'll ever see anyone like me on the pages of these fashion magazines unless it's a "special" article about non-model size people with "odd" proportions? An article to help us dress and deal with our shapes? And I am part of the majority. Imagine?
    Regardless what the reason is for publishing this pic, thank you for that! Because we're talking about it. But unfortunately, it's probably all about marketing rather than finally listening to what people want. Fashion does change…and I am still hoping I get to live and see that we are going to change for the better.

    For now, let's keep talking about our differences.

  28. Melissa

    August 29, 2009 at 11:31 am

    I love this photo! She is gorgeous! As a curvy, but naturally thin, petite girl I am always baffled by the fashion industry obsession with stick figures with mile long legs. More variety, please! More curves! and, how about more images of 5 ft. 4 in. women?

  29. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 11:31 am

    I had to read the fourth paragraph several times before I understood you were saying large and older women will not let you take their photos on the street.

    Well I won't let my family take my photo either. After they do the 'loving" and "helpful" dieting hints start. Yes I am over weight. I gained weight when I got Muscular Dystrophy if you must know. But I am indeed healthy, as healthy as I can be.

    People treat me very differently at this weight. Many people are downright mean. If you came up and asked to take my photo I would be certain you were going to be mean to me too. It's open season on the fat.

    Oh and for the healthy and exercise people. I am a vegetarian and ride my bike at least an hour every day. My doctors say I am healthier then 90 percent of their patients. And yes I am still carrying an extra 80 pounds. On a man that would barely be noticed. For a woman that means strangers call you a fat cow right out on a public street.

    Why don't people of all sizes deserve dignity and respect?

  30. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 11:32 am

    I love this picture… this is not far off my own body size. I am a Vogue girl but when ever Crystal Renn graces the pages of a magazine, I open my wallet. It broke my heart a decade or so ago when Mode, a plus size magazine tanked. (the idea that size 12 is plus a bit of a joke) If it is possible and this image here starts to break even more friction hip hip hooray.

  31. little augury

    August 29, 2009 at 11:35 am

    I don't even see the Big deal-maybe it is heading to a 50 very soon and finding it very different from the 40- bodywise. This would be Best seen as the cover of Glamoour. Now that would be somethin' la

  32. phyllis

    August 29, 2009 at 11:37 am

    Well Scott this is one older woman (51) who would never say "no" to you! These issues are always a hot topic on sewing forums; most women are so tired if seeing nothing but young and skinny girls all the time in fashion. How can we relate to that? We can't. Ironically, the woman in the Glamour photo looks no different that thousandss of nudes that have graced paintings for hundreds of years.

  33. Jen

    August 29, 2009 at 11:37 am

    Look how gorgeous she is! In my opinion, size has absolutely nothing to do with it. As long as you are healthy that's what should count. That woman is beautiful and she shouldn't be scrutinized for a little extra flab. I give kudos to Glamour for having the confidence to post something like this.

  34. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 11:38 am

    Although I'm all for a broader range of healthy women's body types being shown in magazines, I have to admit that this particular image grosses me out a bit.

    Does acknowledging that the average woman is not 5'10" and rail thin mean I have to see every lump and bump?

  35. M.'s Ramblings

    August 29, 2009 at 11:39 am

    Do u feel that these 2 groups of women (older and larger women) who say no to snapshot opportunities, is a more prevalent response here in the States? Just curious.

    This photo to me, highlights the over-editing of the female form, by magazine publishers/editors. I think photospreads and magazine covers are Photoshop'd and air-brushed to death, leaving us with an unhealthy, and unrealistic idea of beauty.

    I love this photo – and kudos to Glamour for running it!

  36. Aimee

    August 29, 2009 at 11:39 am

    I think that part of the reason larger or older women decline taking part in your photos is because they don't feel that they fit in under the fashion industry or society's description of beauty. This may well be because they rarely see themselves represented in magazines. Hopefully pictures like this will help them to recognize their own beauty, regardless of shape or age. I see the Glamour mag pic as following the Dove "Campaign for Real Beauty" that was started a few years ago. Does anyone remember that?

  37. LK- Healthy Delicious

    August 29, 2009 at 11:40 am

    I agree with tanis. I don't think they did it for the right reasons, but rather because they knew it would create a stir and get them attention and sell issues. Its all marketing.

    nd honestly, even though she may be "plus sized" in terms of number… she looks awfully tall. Not exactly someone I would see IRL and think could stand to lose a few pounds.

  38. CK Dexter Haven

    August 29, 2009 at 11:41 am

    I think people are just looking for a rationalization for their complacency, laziness, and unhealthy habits.

    I'm all for a 'more natural woman' in magazines. I dislike the choices that are being made by the (euphemistically speaking) "fashion types" — the ridiculously skinny 15 year old girls. We're in an era when Giselle has been called "curvy." But, i also don't want to see fat/flab idealized and normalized. Fashion magazines are still about fantasy. If i want to see 'regular,' i walk down the street and can do my own calculations of 'what percentage of Americans is obese.' [I'm not suggesting THIS woman is "obese!"]

    I'm not buying that the magazine intended to cause a ruckus with this image. It was reproduced small, and not featured.

  39. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 11:41 am

    It seems that in a time a economic crisis companies should throw a wider net if they want to continue to pull in profits. The more women feel accepted by the "fashion machine" the more they will buy. I do agree that it's a trend thing though – she's not the first we'll see. Slowly the fashion industry will seem more accepting to see if their profits increase. If it works, then yay, and they'll keep going until it peaks. If it doesn't work, then fashion curves were just a trend.

    Personally, I think she's beautiful and her bones wouldn't poke me if we spooned. :-p I find myself attracted to her thighs as well – so soft… (^__^)
    Life, Love & the Pursuit of Fashionable People

  40. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 11:44 am

    It has nothing to do with the media, in my opinion; you hear men every day in the street gawping – very loudly – over pretty girls walking past, and making those who don't get as much attention feel worthless. They then go home and compare themselves to the pretty girls, who are all tall/thin/well-dressed/etc.

    The media simply aggravates it. That's all. *shrug*

    The ideal 'shape' changes over time, anyway. We're slowly moving away from the waif shape now, with celebrities like Katy Perry and Pixie Geldof frequently making it into big name mags. This won't change, whether or not some magazine decides to report on it.

    For example – it's the UK size 12 (or American size 8) girls that are sexy in my 'hood; J-Lo bums are definitely 'in'.

  41. amyw

    August 29, 2009 at 11:44 am

    I am so thankful for this picture and I hope it becomes a trend. Here's a model who FINALLY looks like the majority of most women. Women can relate to her, as opposed to the waifs who normally grace magazine pages.

  42. scader

    August 29, 2009 at 11:45 am

    I don't think that this photo will ever become the "norm" in the fashion industry no matter how much people say they "want" it.
    I do agree with Scott that there is a disconnect-which is unfortunate, but I don't know if the industry is to blame. It has been a VERY long time since society has embraced "larger" women.

  43. Miss Cheekie

    August 29, 2009 at 11:47 am

    Anonymous, I am afraid that I will have to disagree a little here. I have been a religious follower of Sartorialist and still am, because Sir Schuman had portrait many different individuals, from youngest to oldest 60something man/women. When it comes to figure size, it is an unfortunate fact that there are more thinner people who are fashionista(or specifically sartorialist :>). Yet I have seen many pictures of fuller figure ladies in Sartorialist who clearly has defined style. The blog has succesfully portrait all sorts of individuality in style, it actually encourage me to define my own instead of following what mags tell you to wear :-)

  44. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 11:47 am

    I've had discussions with friends regarding this very image, too. This struck a nerve with me.

    I'll say this. While I appreciate what they are doing, it actually irritates me to see this advertised as a "regular-size model". Healthy? yes. Regular? Maybe by our "new" American standards that say the average size woman is a 12-14. To say this is normal is such a false truth.

    As a society, we are getting larger and larger, but it doesn't make it normal or healthy.

    Oh yeah, and I'm not some skinny bitch either. I'm a size 6.

  45. Amy

    August 29, 2009 at 11:47 am

    I think models like this would be a huge benefit to the fashion industry. Any clothing looks good on a 90lb, 6 ft, 16 year old model. That doesn't mean (in fact, it's quite certain) that it would look good on me. I am built similarly to this woman ("regular" with "healthy" thighs and a bit of a belly). If I could see photos of fashions that flatter her figure and look good on her, I could get a better idea of what would also flatter my figure.

    I think she is beautiful and I would love to see more "regular" models of different sizes and shapes minus the airbrushing.

    So sad that older/heavier women will not allow you to photograph them!

  46. Danielle

    August 29, 2009 at 11:52 am

    i don't find this a very fashionable photo, nor a stylish one. she looks like a figure model caught in a joke.

    and i agree with one of the comments on health – if people/models are healthy, that's all that should matter.

    i think beth ditto is a great example of a fuller woman with a great style contribution.

  47. mnewman

    August 29, 2009 at 11:55 am

    the reason i buy magazines is to peek into the fantastical world of fashion- a world which, in reality, i have very little to do with. but i love being a spectator anyway. that said, in those magazines, i do NOT want to see women who are out of shape and flabby all over the glossy pages. sorry, that's just the truth. no, i don't think we should aspire to be stick thin size 0's, however flab and cellulite-are just not that attractive in photos, to me, at least. i'm a woman so maybe men have a different idea.
    really, now, this is supposed to "sell more magazines?" i doubt it.

  48. The Glamorous Housewife

    August 29, 2009 at 11:58 am

    I am a 35 year old woman, size 4-6 with curves and I have noticed that in the past few years, with the whole 80s thing and skinny jeans, there is very little out there for me to wear. I used to love Anthropologie (and still do) but these long tunics and leggings do nothing for the figure. So I have decided to 'transcend fashion' and dress in more vintage looks to help accentuate my curves. Once I let go of the trends of the moment I was able to dress in a way that fit my figure and age and made me feel pretty- not like I was trying to keep up with all the skinny 20somethings.

    I think that woman with the tummy is beautiful, and should be celebrated. But when you watch shows like Project Runway where they have to dress the 'normal' woman the designers freak out like they had to make a dress for godzilla. I think if fashion started designing for women like the model with the belly, they would earn a heck of a lot more money and respect with the paying public.

    Thanks doll,
    The Glamorous Housewife

  49. amy @ switz~art

    August 29, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    I have this issue and then I flipped to the page with Lizzie on it, I rejoiced. I am built much like Lizzie…I have a little pooch that I don't apologize for because I am a bit of a foodie.

    In your post where you indicate that many larger-framed women say no to having their photos taken, I have to say that I can see why they would decline. Society and the fashion industry (which I love, don't get me wrong!) have pushed for thin, thin, thin. Not necessarily attractive, but the thinner the better.

    I am hoping that with more coverage like this, where real bodies are used, women & men will be able to lose the hang-ups on their bodies. Models like Crystal Renn should be celebrated not banished:

    I want to thank you for your blog because my perception is that you embrace style, not body-type. That is something to celebrate…individuality.

  50. Martin

    August 29, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    Ah, well, you know, regardless of her size, it's not the world's most flattering photograph. But she has a woman's body, full and delightful; and she looks healthy, happy, and comfy in her own skin. Bravo!

  51. Jem

    August 29, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    i think that they have put this photograph in the magazine because they are finally comming to their senses, real women want to see real women in the magazines which they buy, not some stick figure who doesnt represent the whole. i am sure that the economy effects the amount of magazines which are selling one way to fix this is to publish things that we really want to read and look at. i hope that this is only the begining of a new trend in fashion magazines.

  52. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    I saw the photo last weekend and thought she looked beautiful!

  53. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    i think fashion looks better on a a thinner body type. when i look at fashion magazines it is to see the "ideal" look of the clothes. i understand that models are usually skinnier than most, it's their job to be skinny, so that their frame highlights the line/cut of the garment. sorry, but if i have to look at clothing that is ill-fitting, then what is the point? i am reading about fashion to see the fashion, not the model anyway…

    btw, i am a "healthy" size woman, by society's measure, i just prefer my fashion to be about the cut of the clothes, not the model.

  54. Lynne Rutter

    August 29, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    she's a beautiful, photogenic woman. has the fashion industry opened its eyes and accepted larger women? no! she isn't wearing anything. how can she sell a fashion she isn't wearing?

  55. LPC

    August 29, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    I'm female. I'm not overweight. This photo makes me want to cry with happiness. I'm not an athlete either but I cried when Brandi Chastain whipped off her sports bra and twirled it around her head. Having helped the US win the women's World Cup for soccer. Some societal forces have limited women's identity for years and I feel so happy to think those forces may be defeated. For my daughter, if not in my day. It is awful to feel constrained by gender beyond the physical.

  56. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    very hot. and im being genuine

  57. Jon Jon Wesolowski

    August 29, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    To me, it fashion is an art piece, and the models are the rack, then they don't want curves. They want something to drape clothing on to present it. The idea of fashion would have to utterly shift in order to change the mind of the fashion industry. If they change their minds based off of catering to peoples wallets, rather than catering to their morals, I will think they are a sell out.

  58. Noa

    August 29, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    I think it's really good to see these kind of pictures in magazines.

    people start to realize now that models in magazines do not represent the real world. they represent Photoshop and extreme diet.


    > Hook The Look

  59. Áron

    August 29, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    Fat is not healthy, and ultra-thin isn't healthy either. And as much as this woman on the picture looks like healthy in size and weight, her stomach fat looks awful. Just because she is normal, she isnt at all beautiful, and isn't in a good shape.

    I think most high-fashion models look awful nowadays, but if any woman takes them as a role model, than that woman is just stupid.

    Be healthy, stay in shape, and your beauty will outshine any fucking supermodel ;)

  60. Wana

    August 29, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    hahaha! you can say that again. :)

  61. Madame Awesomepants

    August 29, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    I find it very interesting that larger women are turning down your requests for pictures. I'm always watching for them as I struggle to feel fashionable at a size 16 (although constantly running through the dirt after two young boys probably also adds to my fashion struggles as much as my size does).

    I hope that this picture is the beginning of a change in thinking, but I don't think it's going to be a quick revolution. More likely that it will be a slow and tedious journey.

  62. delilah rose

    August 29, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    I'm rarely affected by articles on weight and body shape, since it's so often exploited.
    But this took my breath away.

    It's beautiful and it's fantastic.

    I don't care to thank the magazine as who yet knows the motivational reasons behind printing the picture, but rather the model herself for being just so utterly wonderful!

    What an inspiration to be at peace with yourself.

  63. Dustyflint

    August 29, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    I look to newspapers and blogs like yours to see "real" people and style. I don't expect, or want, to see it in the high fashion mags. Glamour is more a middle of the road mag so this sort of shot is perfect for them. They represent a more obtainable style.

    Ms. Miller is lovely and deserves to sell a few billion issues.

  64. balsamfir

    August 29, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    She's beautiful. I don't know anymore what the meaning of regular sized is. I think it differs depending on your ethnicity, and age. But I do know that I'd like to stop looking at anorexic teenagers and bony emaciated 40 somethings trying to look like them. It means changing how clothes are cut, and what colors they are, to start, since moderate curves need to be treated as an asset. Its true about Marilyn Monroe not being considered, but what about the healthy athletic supermodels of the eighties. Would they even get a second look now either? They were thin, but not size 0.

  65. Mariana

    August 29, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    Beauty is in variety and we should be reminded of that more often. We forget we are looking at actual people when we flip through magazines and all we see are countless images of pin thin models.

  66. Mariana

    August 29, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    Beauty is in variety and we should be reminded of that more often. We forget we are looking at actual people when we flip through magazines and all we see are countless images of pin thin models.

  67. Emma Howard

    August 29, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    B E A U T Y

  68. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    No crisis will change the fashion industry. Get real!

    The comments will be endless on this post, so it is an issue for the public. But that won't change the industry.


    August 29, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    she's really pretty,& this type of picture is exactly what we need. We either get pics of very skinny women or magazines champion very overweight women such as Beth Ditto (no disrespect meant to her at all) but her body is not healthy either. Both too skinny and too big promote ill health.
    Frankly for most of us who look after our figure but enjoy life too much to give up the good stuff look like this naked.
    More please.

  70. hbynoe

    August 29, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    the fashion industry has traumatized most american women who buy into materialism. Of course because the recession and the decline in sales they are trying new ways to hook the ones that escaped.
    the woman featured here looks pretty small and healthy to me, should be the norm instead of these stick figure unrealistic looking clones.

  71. The Sartorialist

    August 29, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    For 12:28 Anon

    Couldn't that have been said years ago about smoking or fur.

    Both are still around but with a much different level of acceptance than before. I wouldn't be surprised if both were gone in 50 years.

  72. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Slowly, we will begin to see humanness as special and embraceable~!

  73. RJ

    August 29, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    I'm not ignorant, but I'm not fond of this because it makes EVERYONE else dream. No… let me word it specifically, It make everyone else who isn't naturally thin, or aspiring, dream. The fashion industry might be the ONLY thing we slim human beings have a leg up in and if the voluptuous impose we may have nothing. The fashion industry is the only place we can feel fortunate in a world almost totally unfortunate for the naturally thin and aspiring. You don't see skinny people trying to be football players or government soldiers. It's like trying to put two puzzle pieces that don't fit together. Even if regular size is accepted they'd still make her wear a girdle.

  74. MeMeR

    August 29, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    Definitely an eye opener!!

  75. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    i don't think "thin" will go out of style, because people like to have a look to aspire to. something to live for, in a way. a way to distinguish themselves from others. this is human nature. is this woman beautiful? yes. she is a beautiful woman. honestly, her belly is too much for me. but i think it's great they are celebrating her form. i would like to see her form without the extra unhealthy fat on the belly. that's not healthy. unless maybe she had a baby. thin will never go out of style, and to some degree, thin is healthy. this woman certainly is beautiful, radiant, and seems healthy, but i don't think it's fair to say having that extra weight on the belly is a great thing! we should not "let it all hang out." it's not healthy for society. we shouldn't pretend obesity is ok. this woman is not obese, but it's a scientific fact that fat on the abdomen is a long term risk to health. and i think it's odd that this is being ignored in discussions about this woman. it would be wise for her to eliminate some of that site specific fat, and she could easily do so with diet and exercise.

  76. Claire

    August 29, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    The fashion industry has long worked on the idea that aspiration sells – which it does, to a certain extent. You sell people images of the lifestyle they'd love to have to encourage them to buy into your product/brand. That principle has encompassed idealised images of the human form that have become further and further away from what is attainable for almost all of the public at whom these images are aimed. I think it has got to the point where rather than being aspirational, it has simply become dispiriting and depressing: looking at such images doesn't encourage people, it makes them feel bad about themselves, and now that the fashion industry is waking up to this, perhaps we will start to see more images that make people feel good about themselves! Let's hope so.

  77. Anita P.

    August 29, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    I enjoy real beauty photographs as art. She looks Divine to me.
    Best vibes from São Paulo, Brazil.

  78. Hawa

    August 29, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    my sister is fairly thin…..I on the other hand am quite curvy, petite but meaty….but what really shits me is that people choose to call one of us REAL while the other is IDEAL….i dont hold the fashion industry guilty of anything….i think its day to day people that choose to focus their thoughts on whats real or ideal…I have grown out of seeing a model when i flip through the magazine and rather focus on whats being worn and advertised…

  79. Claire

    August 29, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    And Áron: women naturally store some fat around their tummies, more so than men. A natural, healthy woman's body does not usually involve a completely flat stomach – it may do, but it often does not, and that's a question of genetics. The idealised flat stomach is usually achieved through exercise – stomach crunches not being a notable natural human behaviour…

    It is especially normal and perfectly healthy for a woman to have a less than washboard stomach after she has gone through one or more pregnancies. Yes, excess body fat is not healthy. But this is not excess body fat. This is a perfectly ordinary and acceptable way for a woman's stomach to be.

  80. Edna

    August 29, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    Interestingly enough, a "normal-sized" model is not new. Her body-type reminds me of the sort of woman you'd see depicted in a Rennaissance Bellini or Botticelli painting. And this sort of female figure was celebrated, considered the height of beauty. At some point in time, we veered towards an extreme opposite and hit the railing, divesting a woman of all that made her feminine. Perhaps we do need to revisit these earlier depictions to regain that appreciation of something more real.
    She looks beautiful.

  81. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    this is great, but it will be a real milestone when normal sized women are featured in magazines without calling attention to the fact that they are "happy in their bodies". Whenever I see 'plus-sized' models they are always called out as such, why can't a model be a model without being labeled.

  82. Marjorie

    August 29, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    A lot of people keep criticizing the fashion industry for it's lack of "real" women. but personally i kind of like my fashion with a bit of fantasy. and lets face it the designers who use slim models are making clothes that are best presented on tall slim figures. and vice versa. i personally look nothing like a model being 5'3" and an average build. but i love watching runways shows full of women i can never look like because thats what it is…a show. i like my models the way they are, tall, gorgeous and looking damn fine in those clothes. as long as the clothes look amazing, then i don't care how much meat is on the bones of the girl wearing them.

  83. CH and LK

    August 29, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    I don't think this photograph really has anything to do with fashion… she's NAKED, for crying out loud. Okay, she's wearing a G-string. I saw this article in the magazine – yes, I will admit that I was slightly thrown off by the choice of photograph when I saw it too – but the article that it graces is about things that men find attractive and sexy about women. They use REAL quotes, from REAL men, about REAL women. The article itself really has nothing to do with fashion. However, I don't disagree that the public idea of what is "fashionable" when it comes to the female body is absolutely changing for the better. While models like Kate Moss are still at the top of their game, we now have more normal-looking girls popping up here and there, for example Lara Stone, an average size 4-6 and a top model to boot. There is hope.

  84. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    See whether she looks fabulous without her (very pretty) face.

  85. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    1. yes, it is bad that models starve themselves for their job.
    2. yes, photoshopping models to perfection creates an artificial standard. i can't even express in such a small space how bad that is.
    3. BUT one should not mix up runway fashion with what can be bought in stores. it is not the same and it does not serve the same purpose. one is inpiration, the other is work.

  86. jane

    August 29, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    i think it's great that this photo was in glamour. i never subscribed to the mag, but somehow keep receiving it in the mailbox. i think it's great that crystal wren was also featured a few issues ago in swimsuits. she looked great in the photos. that being said, this photo, the crystal wren photos, and the photos of waif models are ALL photoshopped. this isn't a true representation of anything real life. they are photos in fashion mags. glamour is also a very hypocritical mag (as most are). i no longer have it in my possession, but chances are, flip 10 pages and there's a story about 10 ways to flatter abs.

    talking about this gets me all fired up inside, so i feel like i'm rambling, but i just have to get it out.
    i believe with all my heart, the way women are represented in the fashion industry will change in my lifetime. i hope in some way i can be a part of this change. nothing is more beautiful than confidence. look around you. not every confident person you see on the subway, street, grocery store, etc. is 100 lbs and has perfect bone structure.

    fashion is all about image, there is no doubt. but this can be represented in many different ways and in many size packages. not everyone has the same ideals and lifestyle. if it's not harming you, mind your own business and concentrate on your happiness.

  87. Anna

    August 29, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    I think that things like this amazing photo and the new recessionista fashions have made it apparent that anybody can be confident, fabulous, and fashionable. These types of things bring people together!

  88. Christina

    August 29, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    It's about being realistic. Glamour's readers are not wealthy socialites. They are working women, moms, maybe some men, who are just looking for some tips. They are looking for editorials that will help them achieve beauty and style by working with what they have. Glamour has, for a while, been printing stories on the best clothes for your body type and the best clothes for your budget. This is nothing new. They may have to run advertisements with skinny, skinny models, but they don't really have a lot of control over that. They have been sincerely, I think, heading in this direction for as long as I can remember. I applaud their efforts to make it easy for everyone to feel confident and look good.

  89. Kelly Anne

    August 29, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    I don't know about the fashion industry, but I can tell you that seeing that image made me feel really beautiful for the first time in a summer spent living at the beach alongside super skinny bikini-clad women. I've been thinking about it ever since. Kudos to Glamour!

  90. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    I have to admit that my one criticism of this blog is the lack of older or larger women. The reason for this, that they will not allow themselves to be photographed, is a sad commentary on how society views women in general, not to mention the relationship between women and style.

    For women, style is no longer what we wear, it's the body we put the clothes on. If that body isn't thin, then we're out. And that's sad, considering that most women are healthier at much higher weights than are considered stylish.

    Keep trying to get those photographs! I know it's got to be discouraging to be turned down over and over, but please keep trying! I, for one, love those rare occasions when you succeed.

  91. professor pinch

    August 29, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    A couple of comments & I'll try to be brief with them:

    There is nothing wrong with Lizzie – she looks great. We need to see more diversity in women's age, shape, etc. in fashion & media in general.

    The challenge is marketing/communication. Watch Mad Men & this becomes clear. Advertising has not changed much in 50 years.

    Some designers are trying to branch out, you can find some great Michael Kors items for plus-sized women in Nordstrom.

    Lastly, my wife is plus-sized. But if we're in NYC or if you're here in Charlotte, it would be an honor if you found her & her outfit worthy of photographing.

  92. Gloria

    August 29, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Size 6 isn't skinny? I was a size 6 (size 8) a couple of years ago and got all kinds of comments about how I needed to eat a donut.

    I'm really amused by all the people who are terrified of some kind of fat "slippery slope" where today we venerate the size 00 waif and tomorrow we worship a whale. Please. Stop sounding so overwrought. We can worry about that IF/when it comes.

  93. Antonio Acuña

    August 29, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    She is a very beautiful woman, in fact, rather anorexic for the middle ages view of a goddess! certainly as beautiful as any of those Plexiglas 'models'. Funnily then, that the cover says '3 flat belly secrets' it is not about being healthy, but about 'looking' the right way, I don't think the magazine has any desire of catering to a more ethical view of the female body, it wants to sell, this just happens to tickle their 'what the heck' appetite.

  94. flecto

    August 29, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    I was wondering why most of the women you shoot are thin to slender. I'm quite ashamed that I never thought they didn't give you permision to take their photo, I just thought it was the other way around.
    Should have known better. So sorry to prejude.

  95. Link

    August 29, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Perfect! Now let's see some breasts that have gone south, as well, so healthy, middle-aged women can learn to stop hating their bodies.

  96. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    Why is it that photos like this stir so much controversy though? Everyone knows what a "real" womens body looks like and yet we applaud when magazines/other mediums use these images as a means to sell.

  97. Blueberry Shoes

    August 29, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    absolutely love this photo. she looks so free and comfortable in her skin. a real lady.

    and i agree 100% about the lack of high fashion for "regular" sized women. it's attrocious actually. i'm about an 18, and its very discouraging to go to the mall or shop online and only boring stores to choose from.

    what about us average weight girls, it's unfair that we can't dress as hip and awesome as those who naturally fit the smaller clothes.

    the designer to figures this out, and creates a high fashion clothing line for average women, will become world renouned and loved by MANY women.

  98. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    There are differences between still images, moving images, are reality. Still images, or arrested images, are the most unforgiving. Its a good thing that most of us don't have to be naked and frozen in time and space, like the still image here.

    I look at this image and think: okay, she's probably attractive in reality, but I don't want to hang this photograph on my wall and admire it.

    Moreover, I think that you, as a photographer, know that this image is intentional: that roll of fat at her waist is emphasized in this picture, whereas another naked photograph of her could have easily hidden it.

    The problem with "us" is not that we admire well-sculpted bodies in photographs but rather that we confuse photographs (which are art) with real people. Plato complained about this in "The Republic."

  99. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    "I also think there continues to be a growing disconnect between the fashion community and "average" women in general."

    Oh, you don't say? I think it's (partially) the fashion community's fault that "average" women feel they have to measure up to some higher standard – as though anything less is subpar and inadequate. All that will do is alienate a population that will regard you as arrogant and elitist.

    Shame on anyone who looks condescendingly at someone who doesn't quite fit their version of beauty.

    I'm not trying to make a blanket statement about the entire community as a whole, but certainly these types of sentiments are prevalent.

  100. My thoughts...

    August 29, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    I read some years ago that the super thinning of models began on the runways as a way to focus the attention onto the clothes and off of the beautiful woman underneath them. And now we have twisted that body type into THE body type. As several other people have said already, it needs to be about health and as Mr. Schuman shows us each day – it's about personal style.

  101. madeline

    August 29, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    Okay, why does there have to be such an extreme contrast?? Either a model is going to be skin and bones or she's going to represent the "average" woman by having abs that hang below her beltline?

    Come on. I am 43, not a model, not chubby or unfit. I also don't regularly work out and my stomach still doesn't look like that AND I have a kid. There are plenty of real women that lie somewhere in the middle of anorexic and massive. Shoot – put ME on the cover of Glamour.

    Yucky does not have to be synonymous with "real" or "average".

  102. Leslie in Adams Morgan

    August 29, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    To the Sartorialist: it's great to see this level of discussion on your blog. thanks.

  103. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    Sedentariness and consumption of processed foods should never be celebrated.

  104. The Accessory Lady

    August 29, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    I think that slowly but surely things are changing. The Dove campaign is huge success and they make a point of choosing women of different sizes, ages and shapes and to show that sometimes those so called imperfections are what make us unique and beautiful. Let's be realistic though magazine are still photoshoping the heck out of everything and everybody and people are still calling Jennifer Love Hewitt fat. (ridiculous!!) At least there is a move in the right direction. That being said, I wish they would focus more on health rather than on size.

  105. Nikki

    August 29, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    I think people would generally describe this woman as beautiful. I want this to change from "beautiful" to "sexy." When will this become instantly desirable?

  106. Marit

    August 29, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    well ofc staying healty and feeling great in your own skin is perfect . the woman in the picture represents that, i believe, and in the everyday street picture, she's beautiful . but the fact is, that the clothes work best on those super-slim women, because they're made for them . in that way, you can see the best of the shapes and what the designers want to express . i don't think they'd work on women showed in the picture . it just isn't nice to see models with wobbly thighs and bellies showing beachwear on the runway . pretty sure the picture will change nothing .

    i'm not very thin, i have curves and i'm very short, but in the everyday life what matters is that YOU make yourself feel good cos that's recognizable . i often change the clothes i buy and add something, even the designer ones . women shouldn't wait for regular/plus sized models to appear in the magazines/runways to feel stronger and more confident . if you're satisfied with your body, you'll find a way to be fashionable and beautiful, but if you're not then by all means, do something if possible .

  107. kagitsune

    August 29, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    Every once in a while, a model or a celebrity decides to take some sort of stand against the rather distorted image of "woman" that the media shows. That image changes decade to decade, but I think right now, that image is very dangerous: super-skinny, almost pre-pubescent silhouette, yet ultra-tall. And almost always Caucasian. Now, there's nothing wrong with being any of those things, but all together, this image represents a very tiny percentage of the population. And women looking at these models will ask, "why can't I look like that?". This can lead to some very dangerous dieting habits and low self-esteem.

    I prefer a healthy-looking, smiling "plus-size" model to a bored, malnourished waif any day. So I think things like this article do a lot of good. :)

  108. UES boy

    August 29, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    I think this photo is brilliant. Its so annoying to see women pull their hairs out over not fitting into a fixed image which these magazines perpetuate (I mean I still think there can still be an ideal image for women. We don't have to throw out all of the standards now!).

    I can't really speak about the last question much, Sart. Sadly, I don't follow women's fashion that much.

    Perhaps the change in the fashion industry as a result of the economic situation will create more realistic self-image goals for the "average woman"…but thats just an observation which I have drawn from my own meandering experiences.

  109. southerngentinL.A.

    August 29, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    She's not my type at all. And guess what, she doesn't need to be. That's what makes it cool photo. She's somebody's type and they should have the opportunity to enjoy tasteful photos of very confident women like this. Maybe were actually growin' up!

  110. MIA

    August 29, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    It's sad but it's true. people believe in a false image of beauty.

    The real beautiful people are not really skinny and tall.
    Those people are just not natural. The most beautiful people that I met are gorgeous by the way that they acept their own body and adapt everything to themselves.

    I hope that people start opening their eyes and start living theirselves.

    (sorry for my grammar mistakes, I'm not engish, I'm portuguese)

  111. kagitsune

    August 29, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    Sorry, another comment… ^^;

    A few commenters referred to professional models as the "clothing rack" to present new designs. That may be true, but don't designers want to present their clothes in a way *you'd actually see on real people*? Yes, I understand conceptual runway shows, what with the crazy (read: awesome) hairstyles and make-up. That creates atmosphere and goes with the line's theme. But what good is such an expensive "clothing rack" (model) if she doesn't present the clothes realistically?

    I'd love to see some of the big design houses start to use their *customers* as models. A 9-to-5 working mom in a beautifully tailored suit. A 60-year-old millionaire in a ball gown. They're not the "ideal", but the "real deal". (sorry, that was really corny. ^^; )

    This is a really great discussion… I love reading everyone's opinions, knowing that they could really affect the industry by showing up on this blog. :D

  112. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    Europe knows the truth of human bodies and their allure and their magic in all shapes and sizes. We are learning. It is a good thing.

  113. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    isn't this what the 1940s pinup girls looked like underneath the corsets? i enjoy this.

  114. Kate

    August 29, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    I'm curvy and would be honored to be photographed by you! I'm healthy by all standards and happy with my body.
    Body image is very personal for people of all sizes.

    Now, off to put together the perfect combination for if I should ever run into you on the street!

  115. Launch Team

    August 29, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    Touche, Sartorialist. Touche.

    Over the past decade we've seen the fashion industry slip lustily toward the luxury market, leaving behind those not willing to chase a virtually unattainable standard of "beauty".

    Perhaps we've fallen in love with megapixels and baubles to the extent that we've lost the plot, as the English might say. And you wonder why retailers are tanking? Because the very guardians of their pursestrings have seduced them into a fantasy world bereft of authenticity, and print media is now feeling the pinch, represented through a declination of ad pages and loss of subscribers.

    Fashion need only be interesting, and people will be interested in it. Authenticity is a good place to start.

  116. vancouver helen

    August 29, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    Scott -
    thank you for today's post – such an engaging question, and your readers are fantastic – what wonderful responses!
    I have been following your blog for several years now, and am never disappointed because in your own skillful way, you show us that true beauty transcends the physical; it is an illumination of the soul.
    Thank you for that.

  117. nadia

    August 29, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    what is YOUR take on all this?

    you may have asked to photograph normal-sized woman, but that's just one thing….

  118. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    The very first thing I notice is the unflattering body position and angle.

    She's sitting down, hunched slightly forward, with her right leg smooshed over to show it at it's fattest looking.

    Even a skinny 20 year old would look her best with this angle and position.

    It is interesting though, because we always see the extremes. It's interesting to see an average woman naked, reveling in her lack of perfection like that.

  119. Gigibird

    August 29, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    The lady in the photo is hardly fat. I think she is probably in a healthy category of BMI (Body Mass Index).
    The sad thing is so many young people think thin is normal – it may be for a few who are naturally very lean but for most women it isn’t.

  120. tedbelton

    August 29, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    "I also think there continues to be a growing disconnect between the fashion community and "average" women in general "

    i've written before on the importance of creating fashion and advertising imagery that people can relate to. if they can't relate to it, why would they invest in it? a lot of advertisers believe that the viewer will react to something they can relate to wanting, but i think this proves that the viewer will react even strong to something they already are.

    full article:

  121. Forest City Fashionista

    August 29, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    I think this woman is attractive, mainly because she looks happy, and comfortable with her body. Models have never been a realistic reflection of what women look like; they are, as one poster says, hangers for clothing–their job is to show the clothes. When I want to see what real people are wearing, I look to blogs like this one. I'm considered an "older" woman (48) and I love to express myself through what I wear, and I would never turn down a request to be photographed by the Sartorialist! But I have never been overweight, and I see how cruel people are to those who do not fit society's narrow idea of what is beauty for women. A beautiful woman is one who is comfortable in her own skin, intelligent,and carries herself with confidence. That is true style.

  122. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    There are small signs that the economy has put a dent in the isolation of the fashion community. I know that Marie Claire did a budget issue with many pages of clothing costing $1000 and up and took a hit from readers. It would be wonderful to see women of normal height and weight in print. Even seeing women older than 18 and not photoshopped would be an improvement.
    A big reason that I love the Sartorialist is that it brings a genuine human dimension and enjoyment to fashion.
    And yes, older women and larger size women get so many messages that they are invisible. You don't think it will happen to you, but it does, and it's spirit killing.

  123. Tanya

    August 29, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    I appreciate knowing that you approach everyone whose looks inspires you. It makes me a little sad if women of larger size or older age say no. It's a stupid loop to be caught in: a woman feels that media and society has placed a burden of image on her, that burden makes her feel self-conscious and she wishes things would change, but when someone approaches her and gives her an opportunity to make a dent in this global lack awareness by appearing on an extremely widely read blog, she says no. And another opportunity passes her by to make a difference. To all you fat girls (I'm one!), old girls, funny looking girls out there reading this – if Scott stops you in the street, LET him take your picture.

  124. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    I found your comments very interesting, Scott. I agree with you in part. I don't, however, think that any changes have to do with the economic crisis, per se (I'm an economist, by the way). I think it's more a matter of demographics. As the baby boomers age we have a large cohort of people who are generally very well off (and much better-off than their children are or will be). Sure, some of the women in this cohort are getting surgery and working out like demons, but most people don't want to or can't live that way. Any group such as this with enormous economic clout is eventually going to exert an influence on such media. I'm a recovering perfectionist myself, and frankly I simply have better things to do than to have the perfect body and the perfect skin and the perfect hair. I still want to look great – but great for me comes as much from internal well-being as it does from the fantastic outfit I've put together.

  125. Irene Catharina

    August 29, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    I never really jumped onto trends, but I really stopped following them when skinny pants got into fashion again, I just try to wear what I like and what fits me, not so much what fashion dictates me to like.

    Although somehow I don't seem to be able to find many things that are 1) nicely cut 2) reasonably priced 3) of a good quality standard (not necessarily high, just GOOD) and 4) flattering. I just really hate it that everything is of such a bad quality or totally unflattering! I'm just a 22-year old student, and I am willing to pay a bit more for quality, but I cannot afford it to spend 150€ on a nice sweater that just looks bad after washing it twice.
    Really, I have a very standard clothing size: 1.68 and 58 kilo's, so very normal proportions. SO CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY CAN'T I FIND SIMPLE THINGS THAT FIT ME WELL???

  126. achnyc

    August 29, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Thanks for posting this with your comments and soliciting ours! Hope Glamour gets the feedback – I truly think that the power fashion mags are missing tremendous oppty to shoot the woman on the street. You are doing your part – love love love your blog and photos – and your success thus far is testament to the fact that the most interesting fashion is out here – the men/women who are all shapes sizes and ages. Keep asking those older and larger people – more will begin to say yes once they see others on your pages! Thanks!

  127. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    When I look in a magazine I don't want to see "normal". I read magazines for the escape. The tips. The strive to be better. Not to stay the same.

    First of all this woman isn't normal at all because she's got a GORGEOUS face.

    But I don't need to see more fat-encouragement in magazines. I want mine GONE. I don't want to be reminded of it and have it be "ok".

  128. Kay

    August 29, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    Its always nice to see normal size women in fashion but would be better is if normal women would be considered in design. When you watch these reality shows such as PR, the designers often fail when it comes to the real world challenge. Usually the women chosen aren't that big or awkwardly shaped, but the fact that they have all the attributes of a women (hips, boobs, thighs) freaks them out!! I often wonder would the fashion industry just forego female models for teenage boys if it was acceptable. No hips or breast to get in the way there!

  129. Norm

    August 29, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    Doesn't this sort of thing come-up every few years?

    Perhaps, one of these days, the fashion industry will truly derail itself from its rail-thin model of beauty. Let's hope this is a start…

  130. Danna Banana

    August 29, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    I think that fantasy and art have their place in the world of fashion. But that world has been exclusive and discriminatory for far too long.
    Make clothes that fit REAL women and help them feel beautiful too. Teach THEM what is flattering. Then you won't find women on the street too ashamed to have their picture taken.
    Are you listening Anna Wintour???Make your magazine more inclusive and you won't keep having issues thinner than National Geographic.

  131. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    she'd look better wihout the muffin top.

  132. A. James

    August 29, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    She's gorgeous, no doubt about it. While it is certainly refreshing to see a female model of "average" size, it seems to be a one-off. If mainstream publications and editorial spreads use a model of her size or larger regularly, I would be very surprised.

    If people want the fashion community to change, everyone needs to do something about it. It isn't enough to shake your fist at the cover of Vogue or commiserate with a fellow dieter over black coffee and cigarettes. Society at large needs to respect people of all shapes and sizes, to reshape the ideal to something one does (exercises, eats a balanced diet) instead of what one looks like. Designers need to learn how to fit a curve–it's definitely more difficult to fit than a straight line, but it's not impossible. Clothing needs to be wearable, otherwise it doesn't have a point.

    Also, I'm not surprised that older and larger women are turning down requests to be photographed. Usually, when images of older women are used, it's because there is a special need for an older model. Images of larger women are too often cropped into footage of "headless fatties" that accompany scary voice-overs about the obesity epidemic.

    There is definitely a lack of trust there, and like in any other relationship, rebuilding that trust is going to take some time. We (fat people and the industry) can't afford to sit pretty on our indignation waiting for the other one to apologize or change first. Someone's got to step up.

  133. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    Ab Flab is more appropriate here. I am tired of being made to feel as if I am a freak. Also tired of obese being a celebrated norm. Just as tired of man-orexia and size -0.
    As a woman of color who is near 40, I didn't grow up seeing myself in fashion magazines also, I didn't grow up able to afford the clothes that were featured. HOWEVER, the industry is about reflecting an ideal not reality. If that were reality, where is the outcry about fashion that strongly resembles sex-worker business attire?

    I'm within my height (six feet) and weight proportionate BMI (at 170 lbs) and I'm okay with that.

    I really enjoy looking at stylish clothing but, a all around(no puns intended) inclusion of those who are fit as models might be inspiring – however that woman in the picture, is not fit.

  134. Fernanda

    August 29, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    Absolutely love the picture, her happiness, she looks so confident, and honestly confidence it's what's all about. The prettiest girls I know are soooo insecure…

  135. Alexandra

    August 29, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    I'm glad that you posted this photo. As much as I love this blog I have not seen one picture of a larger woman. I feel that everyone can be stylish, no matter their size.

  136. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    Hey Sart–

    I'm a full-figured woman in LA– this is occasionally a psychological challenge, but more often just an annoyance when it comes to shopping. I wish more boutiques carried my ass size. It's quite a scavenger hunt, getting my wardrobe together. Anyway–

    I am also hot, fashion forward, and a bit of an eccentric dresser– the kind of chick who gets stopped on the street about her clothes and accessories on a regular basis. In other words, it's only a matter of time before you and I meet. And of course you can take my picture.

    But look: size 2's and 00's have SO MANY great, angular angles. They ARE angles. We size 14/16s– not all of us; not so much. In some shots I am your dream woman. I am sex on legs, in a way only a girl with hips can be. In others I am the before picture in an ad for chin lipo. This is traumatic, okay? Bad pictures– and, in the case of blogs, their attendant cruel, anonymous comments– can be devastating. It's not that I don't think I'm attractive, or worthy of a sart shot. It's that I'm a bit afraid of the camera.

    Hope this helps you get where we're coming from.

  137. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    I have one more quick comment! If you were to stop me on the street to ask to take my photo I would probably refuse as well. Although I'm an attractive and tall-ish size 2, I grew up placing all of the emphasis on my intellect, my athleticism, my education, and the contribution that I make to society. It's completely hypocritical of me, because I love fashion and love to look good, but I wouldn't be willing to appear in something focused on my appearance rather than who I am and what I do. Hmmm…Not a critique of your blog – I love it (and Garance's, too). As I said, I'm a complete hypocrite. Anyhow. I'm mentioning this as I'm wondering if in part this is what is going on with non-standard women you're approaching: they've focused their self-esteem on things that are in some ways in opposition to what appears in fashion images.

  138. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    Overweight women aren't attractive at all.

  139. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    Personally as a 55 year old I would love to see more pictures of women my age. I was in The Netherlands a few years ago, and was delighted to see so many stylish women age or older…such an inspiration. Which I need – desperately…!

  140. Yoga Trish

    August 29, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    Visit any museum. Look at any sculpture or painting and the norm was women that looked like this. Our recent fixation with size and not how we feel is just sad.

  141. Misha

    August 29, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    Firstly, I think there is a huge confusion over the purpose of models. They're not there to be admired or set a standard of feminine beauty or any of that stuff. They're There to sell Clothes! Nothing else. And generally skinny girls make clothes on the catwalk look good, so they're used.
    Secondly, catwalk shows are purely for the industry, to sell to the buyers and to some extent the editors, the public are almost irrelevant. Again, they're trying to sell clothes, not make some statement about women. The models are just glorified clothes hangers.

    However, interestingly in the UK there's a strange phenomenon that magazines (which Are aimed at the public), including Vogue et al, are photoshopping girls to look Bigger. All the samples are made for catwalk models who, as I said, need to be super skinny, however in an editorial these look weird but the clothes won't fit the slightly larger girls! So they get the catwalk girls in, and then edit them a bit wider on the computer.

    Is this happening in the States as well? I think this is far more relevant a marker of public perception than one mildly overweight girl in an article about real women!

  142. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    I have canceled almost all of my fashion magazine subscriptions and replaced them with fashion blogs. The reason is that I love to see how people around the world dress. Plain and simple.

    I think that your blog features a happy medium between street style and couture. It gives me inspiration b/c most of your subjects are independent spirits in a variety of shapes and sizes. I don't have the patience or the extra cash to peruse a thick magazine full of pampered movie stars and photo-shopped images.

  143. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    I thought the magazine was being patronizing…puhleeze…just 'coz she's a 12/14 makes her plus-sized? She's 5'10 for chrissakes! That makes her normal.

  144. Baya

    August 29, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    I believe that fashion world should stop trying to mould us with their canons of beauty. They should finally recognize that skinny and tall does not equal beauty – beauty is diverse. It's a shame that fashion and film industries are ridiculously mortified by age, overweight – all things natural. This image is a breath of fresh air, and this is from a standpoint of a fashion addict.

  145. Jason

    August 29, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    This is just wrong. Fashion is supposed to be glamorous. I spend hours every week at the gym, going to my tailor, etc, in order to LOOK AND FEEL amazing. I expect the same from my mate. Simple as that. This girl needs to get to the gym. Big, small, flat, hips, etc. doesn't really matter. Proportions do. Take care of yourself and stop pretending that it's okay to look unhealthy. Don't let the Dove ads fool you – it's NOT beautiful.

  146. Alexandria J.

    August 29, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    It's a shame that larger and older women turn you down but it's understandable since it appears women today would rather force themselves to appear young than to age gracefully and since size 0 is what the fashion industry tends to promote. I do think the economic crisis has forced the fashion community to open it's eyes but it hasn't made them be realistic. I remember seeing a sneak peek of The September Issue in which Anna Wintour said a $1,000 Alexander Wang dress was reasonably priced. I'm 100% sure there are tons of women out there who will find that price outrageous and it serves as a great example of why there's such a huge disconnect between average women and what the fashion community says the ideal woman should be. However, I'm grateful that I can turn to wonderful blogs –such as yours– to see things from the average womans perspective instead of being stuck with what magazines say is acceptable and beautiful in terms of what a woman should be.

  147. Bob

    August 29, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    Please don't hate me over this but i'm just going to say it. Most men like pretty women…thiner or more toned women are more pretty then heavier with fat folds drooping women. I think most of us know this. I look at most fashion and its women as "asperational". The peak, not the "norm". Why would I want to look at pictures of average people looking average? sorry……


  148. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    The Sartorialist said…
    For 12:28 Anon

    Couldn't that have been said years ago about smoking or fur.

    I've worked in the UK as a fashion editor for 15 years and I can honestly say that I've never seen so much fur – everywhere from Zara to Bond Street – as this season, AW09. There is a new acceptance of it: PETA still protest outside Harrods on Saturdays but it makes no difference. Once again, fur is everywhere.

    Thus, the idea that something (like an 'unreasonable' body shape, for example) will go 'out of fashion' and stay that way – for purely moral reasons – is a bit of a dead end. Fashion is resistant to those kind of imposed ideals. You think people would know better, or come to an understanding of something, but no.

  149. Liz

    August 29, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    I subscribe to Glamour, and like their magazine, but think we're giving them more credit than they are due. The issue in which this picture is appears prominently features the headline, "3 Flat Belly Secrets" on the cover directly beneath the magazine name.

  150. Austyn

    August 29, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    I'm really not sure how being thin is a disadvantage in most most aspirations. Football players and soldiers, sure. But a thin person who is well qualified for a position based both on natural talent and earned achievements will never be at a disadvantage walking into a job interview. On the other hand, many people who are less attractive or heavier in build will be assumed to be less desirable candidates based on their physical appearance. So no, I won't feel sorry for you for being thin. You are not at a disadvantage because of it, and I think it's silly to plead as you have for mercy for the thin.

    Although I have worked hard for my education and career, I am fully aware that being tall, thin, and attractive has worked to my advantage for many years. I would never expect anyone to act as I deserved the advantages it provides simply because I also lack the athletic ability to excel in a handful of other occupations.

    I think we should point out that this looks like extra skin, not central abdominal fat. This woman does not have large visible fat deposits elsewhere on her body that would indicate that the belly is the result of an unhealthy lifestyle.

  151. Andrea

    August 29, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    Unfortunately, I think this photo is used as novelty to create a splash in the media. I think it's time to embrace true and realistic beauty. But then again, part of selling fashion is preying on insecurities.

  152. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    What I'd love to see is magazines where the models are WOMEN, not girls (or women who look like they are 17). The kind of women that Richard Avedon used to shoot. It is women who can afford to buy the clothes, not young girls.

  153. travelbug

    August 29, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    Aren't designers really tired of the stick figure canvass? Wouldn't their creativity explode in a good way if they could design for lots of different shapes — and we could see their thought process?

    This could be a great concept for a special fashion magazine: design for all the different shapes. It would also be a great idea for a "Project Runway" kind of "reality" show.

    The myth that clothes look better on thin figures is exactly that — a myth.

    I'm not saying obese is wonderful, I'm saying there are way more healthy shapes in the world than skinny. (A case in point, Michelle Obama.) And as we've seen increasingly in these recent years, skinny is seldom healthy.

    Now that our place on the planet must be based on sustainability, maybe we as a culture will venerate health, even in the haughty world of haute couture.

  154. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    What I don't understand is why fashion magazines can't use a mix of sizes and shapes. I don't think there would even have to be that great a range of sizes and shapes to make an impact on their readership.

    I think it unlikely that there's going to be a sea change in the kind of models used in catwalk shows, but I would hope that some magazines would have the forethought to broaden their choices, even a little. If nothing else, it might increase their sales.

    For me, I find sites such as this one infinitely more interesting than magazines since the focus is an individuals sense of style, regardless of their age or size.

  155. Eric Weber

    August 29, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Let Chanel, Gucci, Prade come out with a "plus" collection and showed in Paris, than let it be photographed by Steven Meisel and let it be on the front page of the Vogue…than I want to consider this subject as (seriously) worth talking about…greetings from Holland. e.

  156. manuel

    August 29, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    we just to learn that we have class of body to every age and to accept it.
    Nobody can be a model to the 50´s.
    The fashion must be to the service of the citizens, not to be a chain that ties us.

  157. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    This woman is really pretty, and I would call her slim and in good shape. I see she gets a lot of comments about her belly, but she´s probably had a child. I´m a size 4 and exercise every day, but I´ve still got a belly like that thanks to giving birth to three children! This position is not a very flattering one, I think she´s corageous!
    Having children is such a great thing- it is just stupid to whine about a natural change of the body afterwards. That´s life! It will happen sooner or later anyway….

  158. Maria

    August 29, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    Are you calling this girl a "larger size women" ? larger than what? She is looks quite good compared with the average American.

  159. emily

    August 29, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    Firstly, she's stunning.

    Secondly, it's mildly upsetting (for someone who is "real world" plus-sized) to hear that there are overly body conscious women out there refusing to be photographed by you. It's hard, but never impossible to be dressed well (or even fashionable) with a larger body. And I think it would be refreshing – maybe even inspiring – to see someone who is actually plus sized on your blog posing in something fierce.

    Heck, I do it all the time for my photographer friends in my hometown – and I look better doing it than many of the barely-there models in the magazines.

  160. Linn Emilie

    August 29, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    beautiful and natural =)

  161. Katy McDevitt

    August 29, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    It has been suggested that Glamour is using this photo to create a stir and push product. And to that I would say: Well, OF COURSE they want to push product. Nuthin' wrong with that. They're in business; they need to make money. We all understand this. Given that they're going to try to move merch off the shelves no matter what, I'm delighted that they're doing it this way and giving a nod to the vast majority of women who look a whole lot more like this unclothed than they do like Daria or Coco unclothed.

    I am 48 years old. I have had children. I exercise regularly and vigorously; I can and do run half-marathons; I would say I'm in better shape than many people 20 years younger than me. I rarely drink alcohol, I don't smoke, I eat well. I am strong and fit; I love clothes and dress with care; my body looks much like Lizzie Miller's. The message I get over and over is that I don't count because I'm not young and I'm not a size 2. It's madness.

    The world is full of beautiful stylish women who are not young and not itty-bitty. I wish they would let you take their picture, Mr. Sartorialist. I'd let you take my picture in a heartbeat because I know I have style. Style is not about size or age — look at Edith Sitwell or Isabella Blow. Not young tiny beautiful women at all but fantastically, enchantingly, memorably stylish women.

    Glamour gets my vote for running this photo. May they and other publications run many more like it.

  162. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    When I saw this photo I was lying on a bunk bed in a slightly grimy hostel. While I do think that Lizzie is beautiful thanks to her youth and blonde hair, the photo frankly nauseated me a little. I felt like I accidentally walked in on the woman next door changing. The stomach pooch was shoved in my face, and I could do without. When I showed my mother this photo, she commented that Lizzie's stomach looked like hers, right after she gave birth.

  163. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    As a mother and med. student with a currently dying beloved grandfather (and both me and my brother have also experienced being severely ill on the edge of dying), I have a somewhat different perspective of the body. So many people seem to see it as a decorative object, but it is so much more! And I just want to say, especially to those of you with complexes, that please enjoy!!!
    Your bodies can actually create life and give you so many pleasures. It allows us to enjoy music, the smell of spices and flowers, a beautiful painting, chocolate, sex, the burning sensation of exercising too hard….
    By all means, be vain and have fun with fashion, but enjoy your body!

  164. Midnight traveller

    August 29, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    I don't know if the have looked at 'normal' woman, but I sure hope they start looking at them and looking after them. Regardless of a recession.

  165. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    Hmm.. this lady looks beautiful because she is tanned, tall, and has a beautiful, symmetrical face. I very very much doubt people would welcome this picture as much if she wasn't as pretty as she is – so she is hardly the average woman. Perhaps she is what the average woman wishes she looked like?

    The fashion industry is extremely exclusionary – yes, you must be unusually thin and tall, but you also must have facial features that are extremely rare, very symmetrical good bone structure, etc. If the thinness of a model doesn't represent the "average" woman, does her face represent the "average" woman? Why is it that we accept very rare beauty but not unusual weight, and isn't there some hypocrisy in this?

  166. underneath

    August 29, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    Yeah – the fashion world is to rigid, for sure! Look at this woman.. she is a beauty.

  167. sofiasophie

    August 29, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    I'd die to know what Anna Wintour thinks about that!

  168. Candy9985

    August 29, 2009 at 5:22 pm


  169. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    This model is stunning and is glowing. Please keep trying to take photographs of older and larger size women. The ones you have take of those groups have been stunning. Its time for a different kind of beauty.

  170. Emily

    August 29, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    Please stop calling voluptuous women "real"! ALL women are real just as all people of all colors are real people. It is extremely insulting.

  171. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    I think it is about time!!! I love reubenesque women like Sophia Loren and other robust looking females. Im a gay man, but Ive always appreciated the body and beauty of women….ALL women not only the stick chicks often clomping down the runway- seriously thinking they look fabulous! NO THIS IS FABULOUS! :-)

  172. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 5:32 pm


    She is a delight. Her smile is radiant. It took a second look to see what the fuss was about when I first saw the photograph. I was captivated by the energy of her face. My lover is a real woman. I can diggit!

  173. lilylines

    August 29, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    Almost even more interesting than this photo, are some of the responses it's getting here. The real disconnect seems to be what some are deeming healthy and not healthy. There's no denying that extremely thin isn't good for you and extremely over weight isn't either. But I think anyone calling this woman's size unhealthy is confused about body type and average weight. No way is this woman obese. She carries her weight in her stomach. As is normal for many. She isn't plus size and she doesn't look like a runway model. She looks like an attractive woman that loves the skin she's in. It's sad that this is considered so shocking.

    This photo doesn't mean anything to me in terms of fashion or the fashion industry. She looks wonderful to me because she appears to feel beautiful. She owns her size and her skin and that's wonderful. Having women validate themselves, without the designer clothes or size 0 to back them up is really glorious. That's something magazines should be selling not matter what the economic state of the world is in.

  174. AJ

    August 29, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    Average woman!? Look at those toned arms. Are those the arms of an average woman? Look at the toned upper back legs, no cellulite puckering. Is that how a typical woman looks when she sits? Look at her golden, caramel skin. Is that the skin of an average woman? Look at her taut neck, pretty face, highlighted hair. What is average here?


    August 29, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    Aww, that's too sad, I've always wondered why you only seemed to shoot thin, modelesque women, but I guess this explains it. I wonder if they knew how amazing your photographs were, would they change their minds?

    In any case, I hope to see older women, larger women in your shoots, that would be truly inspirational.

  176. annie

    August 29, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    wow, that is really amazing, first I think, she has beautiful shoulders and what a great smile, then i look down and I think, wow those look like my thighs and stomach, and she seems so happy! I wish I could be that happy flabby and naked! I definitly can relate to her more as an individual and a person, rather than a commodity. Really awesome to have that happen when looking at a model.

  177. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    I would rather see a woman with belly fat rather than one with tattoos!!!

  178. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    Size 12 isn't plus size anymore; size 8 is — can you believe that??

    And while I love the *idea* of this photo, it's just one photo. I won't believe the fashion industry has changed until I see models of all different sizes in magazines, modeling clothes.

    I am a curvy, but healthy, woman, who has long since abandoned fashion and the magazines. They have nothing relevant to me, anyways; the clothes are too trendy, overpriced, and only flattering on the sticks they photograph.

    I wear what flatters me and my figure, end of story. In fact, my fashion gurus are Trinny and Susannah, who remind me to accentuate my assets, minimize the rest. Good advice, no matter what age/size you are.

  179. armin_san

    August 29, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    wow, so many comments.

    anyway, I think it's great. I'm 23 (today, yey!) but all the more I start googling those playboy models to see how they look for real, they either look fake or average. All the more reasone to love my girlfriend, she looks great!

    This cover surely just is a gimmick to get more sales, but it also is an indicator, as to how well we know, how real those cover models really are!

    I'm a photographer by schooling, this lady could have been turned into cover material easily (nevermind Photoshop)! If I've learned anything, everyone is beautiful, you just need the right lens!!!

  180. Stick

    August 29, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    What about celebrating skinny women who don't look like models? Most of us aren't 6 ft tall, have perfect bone structure, skin, etc. I dont know why we always get lumped in with the models. Many people believe a skinny flatchested short woman is ugly.. but we don't get special spreads in magazines. In fact, in most country skinniness is not a desired trait and many people experience discrimination. I do wish humans would understand that ALL bigotry is wrong and hurtful, not just one particular type.

  181. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    I'm really enjoying this discussion, and all the opinions!
    Personally, I love what Edna wrote about past styles, as well as a few others mentioning the different eras of fashion. For my body, I'm an extremely healthy and confident 5'7", 130lbs, 19yr old. I've got some muscle to do the things I love, I've got some curves which my guy appreciates, and sure I'm not going to be in Vogue any time soon, but who cares?
    The biggest thing I can share with other women is that:
    a) as long as you are healthy and happy, you are the "right" size. I come from a family full of women, and even though my sisters and I all grew up on the same diet and amount of exercise, some of us are naturally slimmer, some of us have a more curvy bone-structure and still slim, some have some pudge, etc.
    b) for as many body shapes that exist in women, there is an equal variety in men's taste. Don't assume that all men want the same thing. Sure, there are guys who prefer the waif/boyish shape, and that's great for the women who are naturally thin. But there are also guy's who want something different. And mostly, men just like confidence!!
    c) as Sart and others have shared, it takes work and creativity to find what celebrates your body, but you can do it! For my larger hips and breasts, I find 50's vintage styles work great. So I don't shop at urban outfitters whose shapes are made for other body types. I wear what flatters me!

  182. Heidi

    August 29, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    What really irks me is that us regular women are the women buying the fashion, are we not? so why do the designers (and the fashion editors to a certain respect) continually bombard us with unrealistic expectations of what a woman should look like in their clothes? it's beyond ridiculous, i worry for the future of women and the future of my two little girls. but thank you for bringing this to so many people's attention, it's extremely important, i think. Hx

  183. kimbo

    August 29, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    I love your work and read it daily. I do notice that you show a much wider age and figure range among men than you do among women.

    As a middle aged average woman, I would love to see more "normal sized" middle aged women who are incredibly chic. Where do we turn when we need a new hairstyle or an updated look? I haven't found such a place, but I would trust this information most if it came from you.

  184. BobKentNoVa

    August 29, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    The print media business is in free-fall, because advertising sales are evaporating. I think we will see much more of magazines altering their pitch to appeal to wider audiences; trying to boost circulation levels and luring back advertisers.

  185. foodie hunter

    August 29, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    i think she looks lovely.

    i also think that if the fashion industry in general sees an uptick in revenue from magazines, advertising campaigns, and positive or "good will" feedback from media outlets that feature models such as this one, then there will be change. perhaps not quickly….but there will be change. just the fact that we are having this discussion is an example of change.

  186. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    What I would really like, is for people to not judge. Yes it is a stupid, idealistic dream, and impossibility. However, I think she's gorgeous – not for any marketable reason, but because she's smiling – I personally am 5ft2, size 0, I have one tattoo (on my foot), I'm an orphan, I study literature and I have a trust fund. Do you like or hate me based on these facts?


    We must stop judging each other…

    P.s. I also love thesatorialist. We all do. So, we're all in this together!

  187. Tristan

    August 29, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    I think her slouching forward crossed leg like that isn't going to give her mid section a flattering look. Strange though, I do think she looks lovely. Theres a vibe of vitality and sexiness about her, perhaps because the cover is so different from what i've seen.

    I like the runaway shows, to me its not fashion or style but a form of art, a concept maybe an ideal. That is what makes it special.


  188. Sonia Levesque

    August 29, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    I'm a plus size lady and a plus size fashion designer. And I embrace ALL sizes in their potential for potent charm and graceful beauty!

    I never, for my part, felt ashamed or envious of rail thin models in magazines and catwalks. The are clothes "presenters" ONE representation of beauty that looks damn good in a photograph. Granted. But yeah, I do welcome (and wish for more) real & plus size ladies in advertising-magazines-TV-film that will prove the one thing we know:

    We are women with rich life. We go out, we have lovers, we entertain friends, we love fashion and beauty and fun as much as our thin sisters! ;-))

    I say YEAH to curves… all the more if presented with style and respect.

  189. Link

    August 29, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    To the people who are saying the woman in the picture isn't fit: Come on! You can exercise 6 days a week–running 5 miles a day, lifting weights 20 minutes each day, and still have a belly–especially if you've had kids! I should know…I do(all that exercise) and I do (have a belly). And I'm an incredibly healthy (vegan) eater! No junk food at all!

  190. kayang

    August 29, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Wow, I was trying to read through all the responses when I noticed, that there are so many! I think I got through about 10 and then gave up. So I can only imagine how overwhelmed you must be. (Or perhaps not at all?)
    To be honest, I enjoy looking at the tall amizonian woman and girls we often see on the runways. Myself, like so many others have been brainwashed into thinking that it is the only possibility that is asthetically pleasing. Perhaps it is my own wish to be as thin as they are. But even with my initial reaction to seeing thin models, I still feel many are far too thin. I think woman with curves are just as beautiful. The woman in this photograph is beautiful.

    I find it interesting that you mentioned that older woman often decline your request. Once again I blame this on the us, the fashion industry, and society in general, for subliminally pushing these images onto us.

    We only have ourselves to blame though.

    Like so many who've said before, the only thing that is important is being healthy. Healthy on the inside, means beautiful and radiant on the outside no matter the size.
    Thank you for posting this, I love things that start large discussions and debates.

    From what I've read I think that most of us feel a similar way, so perhaps slowly we'll begin to convince ourselves that being all shapes and sizes and ages is okay, and is what makes the world so interesting.

  191. kathyg

    August 29, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    Interesting choice of topic for a website devoted to fashion – a photo of a nearly nude woman! I find the most interesting aspect of this photo is that she must hide her breasts because in the US it is just not acceptable to show them. We celebrate violence in our movies and tv, but nudity is taboo. What a culture. While I am not overweight, I find the current trend towards "acceptance" of being overweight (or even obese) disturbing. I work in health care and I can tell you that – no matter what you think – you are not healthy if you are overweight, certainly not if you are obese. It will affect your health eventually. Oh – I'm 60 and you can take my picture the next time I'm in NYC!!! :)

  192. The Librarian

    August 29, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Thank you for raising this topic so that people who think fashion and retail have nothing in common begin to get a clue. What is the point of the art of fashion if it is not to sell the clothes? How do the designers transmit that art to the general public if not by selling magazines?

    If designers want us to open our wallets, then the consumers need to be able to realize the dream, at least in part. For many, many women the joy in Lizzie's face and attitude will be the aspiration, not her body's size. To those who see nothing aspirational in the image, go back to your blinkered Vogue existence and keep chasing your tail.

    And to those of you who want to see more of these kinds of images (of Crystal Renn, Kate Dillon, MODE magazines, etc), I refer you to "Every Body is Beautiful" where you will see EXCLUSIVELY models over a US size 10. And they aren't all 6ft tall, either.

  193. A Movement Therapist in Montreal

    August 29, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    All I can say is…Why not Plus Size and In Shape?

    The woman in this picture, and she is only 20 years old, has no muscle tone….plus size or not.

    I think North Americans believe "It is all good". I simply do not agree.

    As intelligent and discerning individuals, there is a desire to strive to be the best we can be.

  194. nubbly

    August 29, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    I really hope the fashion industry will change and begin to use normal size woman. For me that have worked in the business I feel a pressure to be thin even though I'm only backstage. Most people in fashion is really skinny and that is so wrong that there have to be such a ideal. And when changing the sizes for the models alot of things will change, for us who is working around them to. I'm glad you brought this subject up. Love your blog!

  195. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    people like thinner models, cuz they are healthy (I'm not referring the anorexic ones ofcourse)..Curvey or overweight people is just reality, its not desirable and it will never be.Who would want a broken chair or dusty sofa in their home? yeah good for a video clip maybe but for living?

    And lets be honest, this cover lady is beautiful and would look much more prettier without that saggy tommy.

  196. Alexandra

    August 29, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    I really liked this when I saw it… and I think your story about plus-size/older women declining your photograph is also interesting. love ya sart!

  197. josephine

    August 29, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    simply BEAUTIFUL

  198. thecatbirdseat

    August 29, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    i stopped buying women's magazines when i was 30–i finally realized they made me feel bad about myself. seventeen magazine helped fuel 9 years of eating disorders–i was obsessed with how skinny and tall the girls were, and what they weighed. i will NEVER have another fashion rag in my house, since i have two daughters, yet i love clothes. so THANK YOU for your blog that shows real people with real bodies and always inspiring choices of dress.

  199. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 7:29 pm

    I have had enough of this crap that Hollywood is trying to sell women about all this "core training". As a result we see nothing but waif-like women with 6 pack abs and arms that are more muscular than A-Rod's. I hope intelligent women everywhere would never do these stupid exercises, love the little rolls in your mid-section and the flab in your arm – most men, including me, find that extremely attractive.

    Ask men who they would prefer – Christina Hendricks or Lindsay Lohan I can guarantee that 99 out of 100 would say Hendricks.

  200. Michelle

    August 29, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    I think that the image is a great start and I for one will go out and pick up my first issue of Glamor Mag for the first time in years to check this out and show support.

    Some of the earlier comments are correct – it isn't an about face of the industry but its a small step and it should be taken into account.

  201. Megan

    August 29, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    Hmmm, regardless of my answer to the question, it is fascinating that your regular commenters are mostly absent from this discussion.

  202. Melancholy Korean

    August 29, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    However, do you think that this economic crisis has forced the fashion community to open it's eyes a little bit to want the customers want?

    I hope not. The fashion world is fascinating precisely because its standards are so uncompromising and exacting.

    Surrender an inch, or three, become a little more accessible and friendly to mass taste, and the fashion world risks losing not only its own self-respect, but also the respect of the "average" person who clamors for this kind of change. People are fickle and don't always appreciate getting what they say they want.

    Fashion is a business, yes, but also a form of high culture and art. Nothing is more inimical to an artist (designer) than a desire for popularity. I sincerely hope the line holds.

  203. Reina

    August 29, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    I hope that too. But I think the pic became so famous is because the girl looks really beautiful and really really happy not just "normal" and like she has to conform with the body she has.

    Sorry if my english sucks!

  204. Jacquelyn

    August 29, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    I bought this issue of Glamour (one of my favorite magazines) and loved when I saw this. It IS too bad she is considered a plus sized model because its true that she wouldnt be seen as plus sized if she was seen just walking down the street.

  205. Connie

    August 29, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    I'm a plus size and do my best to dress as well as I can on my budget. I hope you will encourage those plus size or older women to allow you to take their photo for your blog. It would show them (me, and others like me) how anyone can look their own personal best.

    Keep asking please and publish them when you do.

  206. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    finally! =)

    She looks stunning. I wonder how I would feel if I ever read a magazine only featuring healthy sized women.

    Like a lot of weight had been moved off my shoulders, thats for sure.

  207. holly

    August 29, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    When the issue first came out I was reading it while riding with my family on vacation. I showed the picture to them and our consensus was that she just needed a little shaping up. Its really not about the weight its about how healthy your weight is…as far as the fashoin industry goes most clothes However there is a need also for the larger sized models.Its all about what you are in the market for.

  208. sara

    August 29, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    All I know is that seeing a woman that looks a bit like I do makes me feel more beautiful and more likely to shop for clothes to enhance my looks than girls much thinner than I that appear to an embody an ideal that is unattainable for me personally.

    a run on sentence
    but true

    i don't want thin models to go away because there are thin women in the world that should be represented, I just want more diversity and am quite thrilled to have found it in the pages of Glamour.

  209. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    I only like that she looks comfortable in her skin–otherwise I'd rather not have seen the picture at all. There isn't anything new or different here–it's been done before and to me it's a little icky.

  210. pending

    August 29, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    Isn't it funny to think of how controversial this single, happy image has become? Even here, there are a million "fashion will [sadly] never accept it" vs. "obese is unhealthy, period" responses. Renaissance art used to love women like Lizzie. Now society teaches them that they're disfigured.

  211. Kari

    August 29, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    A couple of things to others who have commented: Yes, the models are supposed to be a fantasy, a hanger, etc. But models' and celebrities' beauty standards get shoved down our throats every day in the media and in our social interactions, which is extremely influential, whether we realize it or not.

    And this woman is beautiful. She looks happy and glowing. So what if it's not the "most flattering" pose for her stomach? Most people have extra weight somewhere on their bodies. If only we focused more on health instead of simply "looking right"– aka, like thin, White, hairless, traditionally "feminine" teenagers. The Western construct of beauty is just that– a construct! It's not FACT.

    Scott, I've been following your blog for a long time, and I have been concerned at times about the lack of diversity in body types… but, sadly, what you're saying about them turning you down makes sense. Society is cruel to women who don't conform to the beauty ideal. Keep trying, and keep up the good work. :)

  212. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    So, how to write about such complex subject in a few words?

    Fashion creates symbolism. People have dreams and illusions.

    REALITY and REPRESENTATION should never be confused; they are different stuff, and our lives develop interweaving both, not taking one for another.

    You can't open a magazine expecting it to tell you how you should be. Maybe this is the moment to get away from the literal reading of ourshelves and let's conquer another, less determined imaginary spaces.

    You never would wish the multifaceted face of cubist Picasso women. So, why the images CREATED IN mags should be our aspirational beings?
    Maybe if we learn to see the imaginary-making mags from a cultural distance, we will never confuse them with instructions about how we should be.

    Maybe we need a change of perspective. Another, less obsessively self-centered sight.

  213. Jennie

    August 29, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    I bought the magazine a few weeks ago, not knowing about the eventual hoopla it would receive. When I reached the page with this model I stopped and stared, amazed. Although she only has a little tummy, she has a tummy, just a regular old tummy. I can't tell you the difference it made in the way I felt about myself. I know that may sound shallow, but, damn if it wasn't true. Media plays a large role in how people feel about themselves. That's it.
    I'm happy to hear the editor of this blog discussing this subject. I love the blog, but I was always a little sketched out by the numerous photos of extremely skinny women in "street" shots. Thanks for discussing it with your readers!

  214. david g.

    August 29, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    There was a study done to correlate the Playboy Playmate of the Year vital stats (height, weight, age, etc.) to the state of the economy. I think their conclusions were that economically hard times correlated with older, heavier, and taller women compared to the women of economic prosperity.

    Data over here:

  215. Amy

    August 29, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    I would love to see women of all sizes and WITHOUT a caption calling them "healthy" or "curvy" or another qualifying descriptor that points out that they're not the thin ideal. It's hard for me (a 26 year old slim but not skinny woman), but it's even harder to hear my 85 year old grandmother of normal size (and very pretty face!) think she is ugly and fat. I printed out your picture of Sheila Scotter to show her that women can still look fabulous with a cane, and her only response was "I wish I was tall like her."

  216. Karen

    August 29, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    It's interesting that you mention older and larger (really just average sized) women often refuse your requests for a photo. Is it because this group lacks a confidence in themselves that they become suspicious of you? Yet, we often see older & larger men in your blog.

    It is a sad state that in this "enlightened" age of ours where women have achieved so much, we women still lack the confidence to be proud of our bodies and looks. I hope magazines by promoting more average women can encourage the everyday woman to be more confident of her appearance, regardless of size and age.

  217. lintmag

    August 29, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    This woman doesn't even look "plus-sized" to me, just not super toned. The thing that so many women's fashion magazines promote is not just ultra-thin, but ultra-youthful. Often times when they have an issue about looking good at every age, the models wearing the clothing they've chosen for older women are extremely young. Why not some beautiful women who really are 40, 50, 60 and beyond?
    After seeing the Avedon show in New York last week, it was startling how different the models in earlier times looked – very beautiful and yes, thin, but far more mature than the childlike models of today.
    You had some male models on the site the other day and they were all young and very thin, too. I really do not see fashion changing but I'm glad that once in awhile someone tries.

  218. bird of light

    August 29, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    Definitely marketeers have to be more "in tune" with reality, just as everyone is pushed to~during economic, or any crisis, for that matter… Special thankyou to you ~ for posting and facilitating this discussion! ~ My opinion is that she looks Beautiful!, I have no problem with seeing "real women" or men, to sell fashion, in fact, it's my personal preference. Why? Well, real faces, and bodies are just so much more interesting than bland old cut-outs… Lifeless images, without character, rob us all emotionally… And push us into corners. It's not about any one shape, or color, beauty does and shall always remain in diversity, and character ~ don't you agree?? ..It is my dream to see real women in the shoes of models more and more, so that I can pick up a magazine, and have it enlighten me, not just bore me.. Real women of character, beauty, and style, quite irrespective of size or age.. A different determinate. To quote Funny Face ~
    "A magazine must have blood, and brains, and pizazz – this is just paper.." (Funny Face – Think Pink – youtube watch) ;).. sigh, but less material used to make the small dresses on the catwalks shall most likely remain an issue of economy, no?…;)

  219. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    I think it's courageous!
    I also think that the narrow minded world of
    fashion and advertising is finally getting what a lot of us have known for decades.
    I'm a accessories designer,so size has never made a difference in my work.
    After aging 45 years and birthing 5 children,with not the ideal size 0 body,I know a little encouragement and a sincere complement really can go along way…perhaps,in the future when you ask an older or less an ideal sized person to be photographed,a nice encouraging word up front will be the difference in you getting your shot!!

  220. Hannah

    August 29, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    I like that this is NOT extreme – just a pretty woman. I'm sick of seeing women like Beth Ditto presented as the alternative to the fashion waif – that's not healthy either! This woman looks healthy and beautiful and even if the picture is a gimmick (and I'm sure it is) to encourage sales, I prefer this gimmick to most others.

  221. Gerri

    August 29, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    I don't think the fashion community has fully embraced the fuller woman. I was very excited about the limited-edition khaki lines from the CFDA winners at the Gap this year but was upset and disappointed when I learned that it only went up to size 8. I mean this is the Gap we're talking about! The one store that I don't have any problems with when it comes to sizes.

    I love fashion; I love mixing patterns and colours, high-end and low-end but I feel left out because I'm a size 14. And honestly, when I look around at the thin girls that designers target, I feel like I have a better sense of style than they do.

  222. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    The tummy pouch attests to the fact that she's had a baby. It's a badge of honor. Radiant woman!

  223. Christina Dee

    August 29, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    When I got my Sept Glamour, I was so pleasantly happy when I saw this gorgeous woman. A real woman.


  224. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    When i see this kind of image regularly, I'll know the magazines are serious. And that we, as women, have decided to opt in for 'normal' rather than 'fantasy'. Till then, still a cynic.

  225. Jane

    August 29, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    I love the Sartorialist and find a lot of inspiriation in what you share with us each day. With some embarrassment, I must confess I thought you were a size-ist. I was surprised to hear you are often refused by older and more zaftig women. Unfortunately, whether you have meant for it or not, the outcome is the same…your blog quite often presents women within a certain size group, to the seeming exclusion of others.

    I guess I mention this because the change you have brought up for discussion has to start somewhere…maybe you could give it a good push by doing a photo shoot with "average" sized models?

    Something else that concerns me is the need to emphasize "healthy." Healthy people come in a wide array of sizes. Statistically, however, we are an expanding nation, with the incidence of obesity, heart disease, diabetes,etc. on the rise. This is a phenomenon we really can't ignore. While it would be wonderful to showcase a broader spectrum of people in the pages of fashion magazines, whomever we choose to put in the eyes of the public also needs to represent a healthy lifestyle, whether she is a size 2 or a size 16.

    Anyhow, thank you for opening up a dialogue on this topic.

  226. NY, NY

    August 29, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    this woman is supposed to be fat!? Please. Warped sense of what an ideal body is, fed by the fashion industry.

  227. anastasia

    August 29, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    that's my shape! wow! she looks incredible!

  228. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    Enthralling discussion so far… so much so that it caused me to light a cigarette on the filter side. Tastes awful.

    Now, I'm going to throw something out there that may rub fashionistas the wrong way but stay with me on this one because I doubt it has been mentioned already and because I am certain it answers 80% of your queries.

    My theory is that the barometers of style that dictate how a woman should look and preside over the majority of fashion houses and magazines are not necessarily the types that appreciate the aesthetics of a woman's body.

    We are therefore subjected to their interpretation of acceptable feminine aesthetics.

    Still confused? How can I be more charitable towards the blatant obvious? Ok, a woman never truly grasps what a straight man finds attractive and a gay man is no judge towards what a straight man finds attractive in a woman hence the population at large is handed a skewed interpretation from the self-appointed custodians of style.

    And before we start throwing our fedora on the ground in indignation let's examine who heads fashion houses and magazines… it is women and gay men.

    It is akin to a wildebeest pontificating on the merits of pleated pants. What is absurd is that it is given wide acceptance.

    I for one haven't bought a fashion magazine in 15 years nor have I watched TV for the past 5.

    Over and out.


  229. Anonymous

    August 29, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    Modeling and fashion show case extremes. Like the physique of an elite athlete, the form follows function. Of course not everyone can attain those attributes. There is a biological reason society places an emphasis on such individuals. They represent the pinnacle of our species and are therefore viewed as the most attractive. Lets not get things misconstrued

  230. tofuscloset

    August 29, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    she's beautiful

  231. Jennifer Lee

    August 29, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    There will only be "acceptance" when I can walk into a higher end department store and find real designer, structured garments, not tents, readily available for women size 14 and up. I may be plus size, but I have a style and budget that calls for something more than a dressed up fumigation tent. I think the consumer generated hype around this image shows you that we are no longer willing to put our lives on hold until we are skinny enough to fit into other people's ideals. Until that happens, I will unabashedly knock off designer garments for my own personal use.

  232. Elle

    August 29, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    It's nice to see a real woman's body in a magazine. What adds more to this photo is that she seems happy and content with the way she looks. I'd love to see more of this :)
    I think for that reason I love this blog so much. It displays average, every day people with various body types wearing beautiful clothes.

  233. Azúcar

    August 30, 2009 at 12:14 am

    I've always wondered why there were so few women with curves on your site, hearing that this is in part a self-selection out is both a relief and a disappointment.

  234. Bianca

    August 30, 2009 at 12:14 am

    I think you probably should have provided some context for people.

    This photo was a very small image (maybe 3×2)illustrating an article about accepting the size you are, and body you have. It was not a fashion photo spread, nor a big statement of any kind. They probably thought no one would even notice it. I don't think there was any major calculation to sell more magazines, or create a media firestorm, or anything like that. What will be the fall out? In May, Glamour used a "plus sized" model (about a 12) for a whole swim suit spread. That didn't get a whisper. Very strange.

    I have noticed that when larger sized people are featured in magazines, they are either all dolled up, overly sexualized pin-up style, or are naked. What's up with that?

  235. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 12:32 am

    If they put clothes on her and just made it a normal photo spread without some "message" that might have been radical.

  236. Jenny

    August 30, 2009 at 12:34 am

    I saw this when I picked up my issue and I never noticed anything out of the ordinary when I opened it to this page. She looks beautiful and is definately what the image of a healthy woman should look like. She has curves that are definately sexier than skin and bones.

    Great blog!
    Check out my fashion blog!

  237. Alice

    August 30, 2009 at 12:43 am

    Really? This is what we are considering "controversial" and "larger size women"? I think it is great because it is real a real photography of a women – which is rare these days, but hardly as big a deal as it is made out to be.

  238. Emily Elizabeth

    August 30, 2009 at 12:44 am

    I am dying to see some larger, fashionable women on your website. I *am* a larger fashionable woman. I can totally understand how they would feel skeptical at first, but I think explaining to them how stylist and wonderful you think they are and how the photo would be used may help quite a lot. Perhaps give them a business card. :D

  239. theozoologie

    August 30, 2009 at 12:45 am

    I'm not sure that this "normal" size model trend could ever be more than just that – a fad or novelty. This is simply because there is a reason for the use of thinner girls in the fashion industry, and the advantage in showcasing collections in print and on the runway on tall, thing girls won't disappear because of the fickle wants of the masses. If nothing else, this demand for "models who look like me" reeks of insecurity in themselves, and blamed on the fashion industry. No one is saying "normal" (whatever that means…) women aren't beautiful.

  240. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 12:48 am

    There are so many different and beautiful hair/ eye/ skin combinations in nature, why must there only be one beautiful body type? Sameness isn't natural.

  241. Oleg Igorin

    August 30, 2009 at 1:10 am


  242. B.L

    August 30, 2009 at 1:26 am

    I think it's strange that this picture is:

    a) starting such weird controversey over topics that don't really matter.

    b) is so off putting and/or so encouraging.

    I think–who cares. So what. Person, naked..whatever. haha.

  243. brittany

    August 30, 2009 at 1:33 am

    i don't like it.

    yeah i know there is a variety of sizes of women in america, but in order to show off the "real/average/normal" sized woman, i don't think its necessary to emphasize her flab. why is she slouching? why can't they have her modeling in a pose any other model would be in? it's not like they have the "status quo" models posing naked and slumping over. yeah, really attractive. i don't care what size the model is but i think this picture is unattractive because of the unnecessary emphasis of what they're trying to prove.

  244. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 1:37 am

    The problem is that people trust magazines and other media too much for advice on how to look and behave. That is what needs to be fixed in the first place.

  245. Ashley Yazzie

    August 30, 2009 at 1:56 am

    As a woman, I definitely want to see "real" women present in the media. I am so sick of seeing waifs try to sell an outfit to the rest of us with curves. It doesn't work! What looks good on her, WILL NOT look good on a fuller figured woman. And that's okay.

    Women should demand a new face for fashion. And kudos for GLAMOUR for having the chutzpa to display such a gorgeous woman in a natural state.

  246. JustNorman

    August 30, 2009 at 2:25 am

    i guess this is a step out fo the darks ages. nothing wrong with a nice thick girl every once and a while. go her
    the blog that no one knows about

  247. ellie

    August 30, 2009 at 2:38 am

    nice to see a change :)
    this woman is very pretty :)

  248. jarsika

    August 30, 2009 at 2:55 am

    I can't tell you how amazing it is to see you post this. Your blog holds such a presence in the fashion blogging world! I'll be honest… sometimes I find it difficult to post my OWN daily outfit pictures (me being a size 14-16). You just never know what people will say. Luckily I have some WONDERFUL people comment and its always positive.

    It's good to know you ask so many different kinds of women, even though the more natural ones tend to turn you down. Hopefully that will change.



  249. Erika

    August 30, 2009 at 3:17 am

    I think that a key issue is being missed here about older and larger women not wishing to be photographed. If we are fashionable enough for Scott to ask for a pose, we are undoubtedly proud of and put effort into how we look. I would venture a guess that what makes many of us say "no" is the idea of a bunch of anonymous commenters critiquing us harshly or even just using insulting qualifiers like "for someone her age" or "for a girl of her size." Self esteem is often hard-won yet fragile and can be easily torn down, even among the strongest of us.

  250. katrina kay

    August 30, 2009 at 3:20 am

    i think this is pretty cool. she looks great, and i just might pick up a copy of this issue

  251. Carrie

    August 30, 2009 at 3:25 am

    Who would ever say no to your request to shoot them?! I feel like everyone you shoot looks unbelievably gorgeous – call me crazy…

  252. Fashionista*

    August 30, 2009 at 3:38 am

    i love how brave she is
    more women need to do that

  253. Georgina

    August 30, 2009 at 3:51 am

    I'm a completely supportive of this move to celebrate the imperfect women. However, what has always confused me has been the difference in the manner in which larger and smaller women are treated. Why is it wrong to call some-one fat when it's okay to call some-one 'disturbingly thin', or 'a clothes horse'?
    Equal rights for everyone – not just the larger ladies.

  254. deryik

    August 30, 2009 at 4:07 am

    what i find interesting is that if fashion mags go for the "unusual"/ "responsible" photo shoot, they either do some "black issue" or "asian issue" or whatever non-white women are available, or do some "white women with normal body" shoot. so far, i havent seen any "normal women" photo who are not white, except for dove commercials. maybe it's too much to handle at one time? normal actually stands for "size 0, tall, white and blonde".

    "normal bodies" are not only white. and if we are talking about varities of beauty, that's a concept that differs by culture, too. there are so many women dying their hair blonde although they are naturally dark-haired, cos the very same magazines announce that "blonde is sexy", universally. there'a no difference between body shape and hair color stereotypes. same goes for the eye color, too.

    and if some non-white women are declared "hot", they have titles like "latin fever", "hot geisha" etc. exotism of races is equally common and i find it very disgraceful.

    finally, i think Glamour should have look at the ads on the back pages and stop being a hypocrite. at least in the UK version, last 6 pages are dedicated to plastic surgery ads every time they have this "love yourself the way you are" issues. who are you kidding folks?!

  255. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 4:08 am

    Women on magasines are all photoshoped. So women that you see on magasines aren't real.

  256. Eliana

    August 30, 2009 at 4:23 am

    Finally! Magazines showing exactly how we are (woman). I think this isn't about economic crisis but "the self crisis". All women know there are no perfect bodies and that fashion magazines transform them to something unreal… yet, everyone wants those bodies. Now, Glamor Magazine is doing the "see too believe"! I hope the industry does something here in the UK.

  257. Thomas

    August 30, 2009 at 4:25 am

    I think it is great that normal sized woman, and even plus sized models are becoming more accepted in the fashion industy.

    My mother always said, "Clothes look best on hangers, so designers use Models."

    There are more reasons why designers use thin models. They dont want a models sexy curves to outshine the clothes, they want the clothes to wear the model not the other way around. Also thin models are easy to dress, and use less fabric, and take up less space, and you dont need to cater!

    I cant wait for the days of the super sexy glamazon model to return. They all seem to work for victorias secret.

  258. Kiwi

    August 30, 2009 at 4:32 am

    i'm personally rathr confused, i myself wanna b super stick thin bt when i see othr ppl being normal, somehow they still look great yet i feel ugly being fat or average sized. i believe alot of females think this way, yet everyone keep saying abt hw thy feel tht 'beauty shld nt b controlled by th fashion industry', bt th truth is, hw many ppl out thr actl doesnt wna lose weight?

  259. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 4:34 am

    I think this is quite ironic given that the ridiculous amount of skinny and model-like boys and girls you shoot. The precise canon of beauty criticized here is the only one that seems to catch your eyes, if you're regardless toward age or skin colour, tht's not true with size.
    I am myself a skinny personn, but I wish to see fashion best highlighted on size-plus bodies, or even non-attractive personns.

    However, the glamour issue is a very good one, even knowing that the next cover will talk about how to loose weight and another skinny baby face. The already seen hypocrisy of the fashion crowd.

  260. Elizabeth Saunders

    August 30, 2009 at 4:43 am

    Anonymous 5:09 pm

    ABSOLUTELY!! If more of us appreciate what our bodies actually do for us – i.e. allow us to get about and experience the world – I think we'd generally be a lot happier and a lot nicer to each other.

    This girl is a stunner no doubt, but I think it's the energy of the photograph – the life – that is arresting for me.

    As far as the fashion industry goes – I've always thought it was utter business madness not to cater for a good range of sizes, and the whole "clothes look better on thin people" argument doesn't hold water if designers actually designed clothes for the full variety of shapes and sizes that us humans come in. And I'm sorry – but art? They're designing for people – not statues in a museum.

  261. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 4:55 am

    Definetely not. It's just marketing. So obvious..


  262. misslikey

    August 30, 2009 at 5:20 am

    I dont like photo not because she is not 0 but its not good. and yes, average woman today needs little of imperfection because though sounds like a total cliche seems that become more than normal,obsession of nowadays to be perfect. its becoming exhausting not just for people in fashion, that is the job, but to average girls. little restless and casual like this wouldn't do any harm,

  263. Lord Brummel

    August 30, 2009 at 5:36 am

    She "literally" WEARS a smile that we would like to see more often on the anorexic teenagers which are photographed most of the time. And I bet she also *feels* much better than them…

    Thanks for bringing in the subject, Sart. It reminds me of the story of "Mi bruta" and of the picture which is one of the best of your book…

  264. Mademoiselle C.

    August 30, 2009 at 5:51 am

    That's just a great idea. Reality is back!

  265. blue

    August 30, 2009 at 6:05 am

    As many already said here. The role model today is not the same as decades and let's not even say, hundreds of years ago.
    Time, as rules and models, always change. So this won't be the first time.
    Let the change come!

  266. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 6:23 am

    First off, that you bothered to ask the question, which fits perfectly with your dialogue on the differences between style and fashion, is perfect example of why I love your blog so much and find that it gets better and better…

    I am always interested when fashion flirts with "real" faces and bodies. It seemed like Prada was willing to try it a few years back only to swerve back to the land of zombie adolescents. Did that approach not sell well? And am I the only one that misses the cast of characters that JPG used to add into the mix of his runway shows? I thought that they made the clothes come alive in a way that so many of the models could not.

    My honey and I were talking this morning about how people seem to be turning away from advertising in so many mediums. Doesn't that also have to do with the disconnect that you are talking about, Scott? Why pay attention anymore?

    I'm always especially fascinated by the older women that you show here. Perhaps they say "yes" because they are "bien dans leur peau", which is exactly why I find them to be the most inspiring. I'm wondering if more people are becoming stylish because they can't afford to be fashionable. There is nothing like an empty wallet to force one to be creative!

  267. Elisa

    August 30, 2009 at 6:34 am

    See, I find the suggestion that magazines should embrace shapely women 'due to economic crisis' quite comical. So it's not because we want to free women of the stress of having to look a certain way? It's got nothing to do with the fact that girls as young as 6 diet because they feel 'fat'. We should solely do it so the industry can churn more $$. Nice one.

    I like looking at this blog as I enjoy seeing what people wear and funnily enough I always thought that the people photographed were fashion models. Always tall, thin and textbook beatiful. Surely not 'every' single people carrying more curve has said no to a photo? There are plenty of non-model looking people alking our streets that ooze confidence, are happy and have no desire to be a size 0.

  268. K. Sundari

    August 30, 2009 at 6:39 am

    That's interesting how the ones that refuse to be photographed most are the ones that people are really trying to promote. I'm not sure what to say about this, but I'm definitely thinking about it.

  269. Lyn

    August 30, 2009 at 6:51 am

    This image is magnificent. Go Glamour magazine! I have often wondered why you don't post images of normal sized women on your blog. Try harder- they are beautiful, elegant and often breathtaking.

  270. Paula

    August 30, 2009 at 6:54 am

    But I suppose it's a good start for all of us.

  271. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 7:46 am

    Ok… So when are we going to start seeing less-handsome men with no sixpack in magazine covers?

  272. Michaela

    August 30, 2009 at 7:51 am

    I don't think so. Sadly! I just read an article about the waist measurement for models which want to walk the european runway (somewhere in Europe, I don't remember exactly where, sorry). And there they want now even more slimmer waists than before.

  273. Qiwy

    August 30, 2009 at 7:56 am

    Simply I don´t like! but this is not politically correct to say


  274. Caterina

    August 30, 2009 at 8:57 am

    I havn´t read all comments so far…
    but it is quite shocking that a photo of a normal woman in normal female shape and normal female weight
    is discussed at all!
    you can see normal woman at all beaches in the world!
    we should discuss the weird hybrid and photo-shopped physis of the models, presented on every show and in every mag.

    this world is full of women of any shape, this should be respected and reflected in fahion industry !!!

  275. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 9:01 am

    It really doesn't matter much (to late-20s me) what's featured in fashion magazines any more. For "inspiration", I read your blog, Garance's, etc. – closer to reality and far more exciting. Vogue has got very boring a long time ago.

  276. Iheartfashion

    August 30, 2009 at 9:05 am

    No judgment on this woman's body (and the unflattering position), but I don't buy fashion magazines to see "real" women. I prefer models who are genetically superior, not the woman next door. I think Vogue, Bazaar and the like could do with a lot less airbrushing, but models are paid to look thinner and more attractive than the average person and I see nothing wrong with that. If I wanted to see paunchy tummies I'd hang out in the locker room of my local Y.

  277. Mariona

    August 30, 2009 at 9:05 am

    I applaud the cover. Fashion should make us dream but it must be real. We sell pictures of women impossible and always make us feel dissatisfied. There is much beauty in many kinds of different women showing it to us.thanks

  278. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 9:06 am

    Models need BOOBS!

  279. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 9:14 am

    Speaking as an attractive, larger woman with the body and bust of Christina Henricks, I would decline your offer to take my photo based on the hurtful comments people make in your blog. Recently, you took a lovely photo of a stunning average sized woman in a white dress, with flowers behind her and some people cruelly attacked her "thick" ankles and calves.

    While I would be truly flattered to be noticed and asked, I don't want that sort of criticism or negativity directed at me. Like a lot of "larger" women, I spent the whole of my childhood being made fun of because of my size and the way I look. No more.

  280. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 9:25 am

    I hope people don't forget there are "short people" in real world also.

  281. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 9:26 am


  282. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 9:28 am

    As a designer, I am thrilled to see a return to an appreciation of bodies with curves and women that appear healthy, happy, positive, and vibrant. I hope this will be at a trend that sticks around at least a few seasons of the fashion cycle.

    Myself, I wear a size 12/14 and it's amazing the discussions that I have with my art director about models…their legs, their bottoms, hips, etc. I really want to work to begin portraying a more realistic size and weight on our models. When you look at a 5'-11" size 6 model thinking she's much too large, while you wear a 12 and are healthy, there's a major disconnect going on.

    I am so happy this image has caused a stir! Our current image of what's acceptable to see/show in fashion media versus the reality of daily life is in complete dischord.

    PS- Although I'm very happy that the Sartorialist introduced this topic and image to many people, I would be shocked if "normal-sized" females were shown in previous images. Men get away with everything, women have to stay young and thin forever + wear heels. C'est impossible. Embrace change in life.

  283. monokini

    August 30, 2009 at 9:37 am

    I can't see what's wrong with those 'normal size' models, but this picture.. well, it's just NOT pretty.

  284. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 9:38 am

    That this should be a topic says more about the fashion industry than about women, alas.

    And that disjunct is eternal.

  285. A La Mode

    August 30, 2009 at 9:39 am

    This is so fantastic! I am so glad, It's a shame that older.
    /larger ladies refused to be shot because of suspicion. Its so sad.

  286. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 9:40 am

    You know…I used to work in tv and film. I'm 5'7". At my thinnest, I was a size 0 and weighed 132 lbs. I was eating basically peat moss everyday. But I had to put 125 on my resume and headshot because anything over 125 was considered "fat" by industry standards.

    I cannot express how thin I was. Every bone protruding. Without giving up on food completely, I could not have gotten thinner. Yet, week after week, I would get the question "Can you lose 10 lbs?" Not unless I lopped off a limb.

    I was lucky to be a trained actress and had a pretty successful stage career. And I did get work in TV and film, but I was considered a character actor at what the industry considered a plump 125.

    The idea that I could get thinner always blew my mind. The idea that a NUMBER defined thin rather than how I actually looked.

    THAT'S the problem. And if you think the fashion industry doesn't prescribe the same set "numbers", rewind your TiVo and watch the first episode of Project Runway this year when Mitchell's model wasn't the size on her card.

    Heidi laughed at him. She said that model cards are never accurate. If the girl is too tall, she'll shorten herself. If her weight is more than the industry will take, she'll thin herself. If her measurements don't fit in the prescribes "size", she'll fake it.

    I'm a mom, now. Wear a size 6 or 8 (depending the day and how close to the holidays it is!), and still have women at shops suggest I wear something "less form fitting". In other words, if I don't have the decency to be model thin, I ought to wear a sack. It's truly stunning.

    Lucky for me, I love myself and my curves. And I've learned that men like them, too.

    Which does beg the question…whose fantasy world are these skinny women living in amongst the pages of Vogue…methinks it's women's. In which case, we have the power to change it.

  287. Ian L

    August 30, 2009 at 9:49 am

    You pose some interesting questions. Fashion has always been deeply rooted in fantasy, especially high fashion which is something that, for most of us, is unattainable. Fashion magazines or media has always been a bit about wish fulfillment. It's an image and lifestyle we wish to have, come to life in photos and videos.

    During economic boom times, that fantasy becomes more attainable or at least it seems that way. In bust times, recessionary times, the fantasy is further away and people by their nature, want to return to something more practical, what they see as something more real. In this case, women are making their voices heard about how they really view themselves and how to be confident in that view.

    Recessions have a strong influence in fashion. I was graduating high school in 91' during the last recession. The decadent 80's transitioned into the the grunge 90's. In the modeling world, the fit, almost athletic bodies of the 80's supermodels transitioned into the waif supermodels of the 90's.

    The longer this recession will run, the more practical and fiscally conservative people will become. But that will only last for so long, the need for fantasy will return, the bust cycle will end and the boom cycle will begin again. So too will the need to visualize and attain that impractical "supermodel" body. But for now, the trend will be to shun that fantasy physique and to return to something more natural.

  288. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 10:08 am

    I never expected to say this, but she turns me on.

  289. adelaide

    August 30, 2009 at 10:09 am

    As an 18 year old girl with a fond love the fashion industry, I can't help but be affected by the images constantly presented to me through magazines, etc. I've been tall all my life, (I'm now 5' 10.5") and grew up with people telling me I should be a model. I started to dream that that might actually happen, however, as I've grown older and gotten a curvier figure, I've realized that if I ever wanted to model I would have to be 120 lbs instead of 150 lbs, which I couldn't manage to do healthfully.

    Seeing an image like this gave me new hope, because isn't modeling about making people want to wear the clothes, not just serving as a human wire hanger? Personally, I think it's a more effective marketing strategy if regular people can look at models on the catwalk and say, "Well she's about my size, so maybe that could actually look good on me too…"

    Good designers make clothes that can flatter all different body types, maybe it's time they started showing that skill through the models they put on the runway.

  290. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 10:11 am

    I dont think the fashion world has opened its eyes enough to what its customers ('normal' women) want. I certainly do not think the economic crisis has changed anything. They may have cut back on a few things for the runway shows but from what i can see not enough for your average 'healthy' woman in the world to feel good about their size or weight.
    Although i cannot see a healthy to average sized women on the cover of a mag or strutting down the runway anytime soon, and i probably wouldnt like to either as i am to used to this unatainable beauty being thrown at me from all angles.

  291. Melody

    August 30, 2009 at 10:29 am

    I am disappointed that women of age, my age 50+ have not evolved and developed the confidence in ourselves to be self accepting and to be photographed. Our generation is so different than the 20 somethings, my daughter grew up with digital media. Maybe they will have the confidence we only desire. I understand the need for models who can put anything on at a whim, it makes it harder shopping online to see how an item of clothing will actually drape if there are not the curves etc. I agree that our society should not just be accepting that our size will grow and grow, we need to be healthy, but we do need to be more accepting/embracing of the differing shapes styles, thank you for helping to promote this.

  292. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 10:39 am

    young thin women are beautiful. They inspire me in my clothes. I don't need a magazine to represent me. I don't want to look like anyone other than myself. I'm not young or a size 0. I'm noticed, so I'm content.

    I like fashion for it's odd beauty of extremes, but it's not an order. I don't have to follow, if it doesn't suit me.

    I work in a theater. I see what the actresses do to themselves and each other. It is a waste of energy.

    Be happy for other people who are beautiful. It doesn't have to be about you to be great.

  293. beckyperlman

    August 30, 2009 at 10:47 am

    I don't think I can add anything to the discussion right now, but I was very happy to see the image reproduced and love all of the questions you raised. . .

  294. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 11:05 am

    Beauty is always in the eyes of the beholder. And different strokes for different folks is appropriate and necessary. To appreciate beauty in any context is a gift.

  295. Miss L

    August 30, 2009 at 11:05 am

    Gorgeous Photo. I Love it!

  296. mimi(cigalechanta)

    August 30, 2009 at 11:07 am

    Most of the models today are teens made up to look older. Fashion magazines today only are fantasy
    journals. I get a British blog that always comments on these magazines, how rediculous they are with their articles, such as, Fashion on a budget where one article may cost $1000

  297. mimi(cigalechanta)

    August 30, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Most of todays models are teens made up to look like adults.
    The wasp waists et al are because the fashion magazines are fantasy journals with dumb articles such as fashion on a budget, yet one item may cost $1000!
    A suscribe to a Brit blog that really nails these magazines.

  298. Kate

    August 30, 2009 at 11:11 am

    I would personally like to see the fashion industry embrace women as women. Some women are naturally very thin just as some are naturally heavier. To me it's silly to label one type as "real" and another not. Every woman's body is different and therefore it is detrimental to the psychological well being of women everywhere to choose one type over another. In my opinion, we should all embrace the beauty in variety.

  299. nadzirahashim

    August 30, 2009 at 11:14 am

    Finally! Something realistic! I just wish a photograph like this (which documents the natural figure of a human being) would appear permanently. I don't understand the need to pretend that we don't have any body fats. Most of us HAVE it. But in magazines, they are edited by the marvels of Photoshop. We all have some kind of flab somewhere; why do we need to hide it? It is only ugly because we have been given a perception that it is. Perhaps we need a change of perception in society and this photo could help boost it?

  300. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 11:39 am

    I look just like that woman. We're everywhere. We've got style and we're sexy. I don't need a magazine to tell me that. I feel it everyday.

  301. Mimi and Tilly

    August 30, 2009 at 11:44 am

    It's about size, and perceived imperfections. I love that she clearly has a gorgeous rounded stomach. The rest of her body, to me, isn't plus sized at all, just human. But she is putting her "imperfections" out there, and embracing them as part of who she is. She's beautiful any which way you look at it.

  302. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 11:47 am

    Yay for showing a model with a bit of a tummy, but she still conforms to America's "typical" beauty standards that many women stress over…blond hair, pretty face, not overly chubby. I would say this is a small step forward.

  303. Jessica

    August 30, 2009 at 11:55 am

    I love this photo because the woman doesn't look "fat" to me. She looks normal. I'm 5'9'' and 125lb and I have that stomach! That's how women look!! I am so happy they put this photo in. Kudos to Glamour for getting it right.

  304. Diana

    August 30, 2009 at 11:56 am

    Thank you for posting this. I'm a plus size blogger who's long been a fan of the Sartorialist, and I've wondered why I don't see more plus size people featured on this blog. I tend to be a bit shy on the other side of the camera – I'm worried if I say "I write for this plus blog" that it will end in me upsetting someone, even though all of us of larger size are perfectly aware that we are larger.

    I can easily see how a plus size person might be wary of having their picture taken – even if posted in a spirit of "great outfit" a blog with your following would then expose the person to undeserved (yes, undeserved) body snarking and could show up in places where the individual would not be treated in the spirit of "great outfit."

    While I'm playing along with the "yay, Lizzie!" because she's shown herself and her imperfections, the reality is…she's average, and yes, she is on the thin side. Yet she's going to be promoting a line from Just My Size that starts at four sizes larger than she is. It just tells me there's not just a disconnect at Conde' Nast, there's a disconnect with the old warhorses of plus size fashion, too.

  305. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    I'm not sure, it's the economic crisis that has forced the fashion world to open its eyes – I think it has been a strong desire from women all over the world for a long time, and I think it's very healthy. It's a dangerous "body ideal" women face every day, so it's just great if the image will change.

  306. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    I'm 'old' (62) and I'm 'fat' (2X) and I have followed the slow but definite progress of the availability of flattering and good quality clothes for plus sizes since the 1960s. It used to be a lot worse than it is now.

    I neverthesless make a point of dressing myself with thought and style, and have been known to fantasize about drawing the Sartorialist's attention. (When I'm in NY — not often — where would I need to be to be?) It speaks to a perception of prejudice that large and/or older women frequently decline to be photographed. I hope that won't be the case by the time I am 92.

  307. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    it's not a good photo. there are plenty of attractive heavy people, this woman is attractive. but, it's a lousy photo.

  308. Ana Laura

    August 30, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Despite of any reason(crisis or whatever)it is time to look to normal people.
    Normal woman also have atitude!
    I simply found fantastic the photo as well as I love the"Dove" publicity with "ordinary" woman.
    I am 39, and I started to understand how I can use my assets now and it is beeing a great fun and chalenge!
    I really get sick of publicity that uses photo correction and all kinds of celebs to draw our attention.
    Something that we get when we age consciousness.
    We start value and love ourselves!

    ps.:love your blog!!!

    Ana Laura

  309. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    I can't believe that so many people are saying that size 6 is large!
    Do people really think this? Be honest

  310. Thecountess

    August 30, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    She looks healthy and beautiful. I still believe that the industry should reflect the truth. And the truth is that real women have curves and we should be taught to embrace that and not try to hide it like the industry wants us to. Thanks for posting!

  311. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    I think it's FABULOUS! I got the glamour mag in the mail this month and thought the picture was just adorable. I agree with the comments here that speak to the need for more regular women in magazines and more people with style as opposed to people who have the money–or access (mag editors, industry folks)–to just buy style. That's what makes the Sartorialist so great!

  312. greendress

    August 30, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    I am 5'4 and a half, 116 lbs, wear a size 0 or 2, depending on the time of month – never had a child- and have a stomach like this woman's. It is quite shocking to read some of the negative comments about her stomach. I have exercised all my life, am now 34 and continue to work out and I still have a tummy. How warped can our images be if people think this image isn't attractive?

    As to the question of needing to see images that reflect ourselves in order to feel validated, I stopped years ago to buy magazines when I realized that they didn't put women on the covers that look like me and if I am caught unaware, I am infuriated to pay to see a movie that has a cast who look all the same. I can't imagine that I am the exception.

    Can you imagine what it would do to the self esteem of short, bald men if they are not featured in magazines and movies as being attractive? Short, skinny black girls? Plump, tall Asian women? Thin but curvaceous Latinas with full lips and big, wide, almond shaped black eyes?

    Even more important than giving a message that you are beautiful, it acknowledges that you exist. There must be many women out there who won't pay to promote and enforce self invisibility.

    The idea that the designers can only design works of art that look good on super skinny women, breastless, hipless women is funny. It tells me in no uncertain terms that they lack creativity and imagination. Ironic to say the least.

  313. coldwater

    August 30, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    so much bosh

    what is fat? excess. where does it come from? indolence, weakness of will, lack of self-control. also, in rarer cases, genetics and forced indolence.

    in all cases, fat for most people is non-essential. it thus obscures what is in fact essential: the human form as it naturally would be if people didn't live like hamsters

    this said, it does no one any good to be mean about it, but neither does it mean that designing clothes for the human form, at the level of couture, ought to pretend that fat is some sort of irrelevance

    everyone likes to see a well-made, well-functioning thing, and that goes for bodies, too

    stop trying to coddle and rationalize fat and get some exercise. great for your health, mind, pocketbook, sex, and economy.

    hate me now, thank me later

  314. Charlotte Collard

    August 30, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    After Karl Lagerfeld for the final of his last fashion show…now Glamour! The crisis has really brought us back to our roots and pushing us more to a healthy living! And having shapes is much more healthier than having bone instead of the shoulders or legs!
    Is fashion going to finally realize?!!


    Charlotte Collard

  315. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    I really hope this photo helps to change things and we can see normal size woman in the magazines.

  316. greendress

    August 30, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    Maybe we might also be missing a point: maybe the designers and the editors only want UES women and Hollywood actresses to buy their magazines and their products.

    Could it be that we are trying to gain the attention of people who don't want us in their club?

  317. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    as much as this woman on the picture looks like healthy in size and weight, her stomach fat looks awful. Just because she is normal, she isnt at all beautiful, and isn't in a good shape. *** i would like to see her form without the extra unhealthy fat on the belly. that's not healthy. *** Sedentariness and consumption of processed foods should never be celebrated. *** Ab Flab is more appropriate here […] that woman in the picture, is not fit. *** Overweight women aren't attractive at all.


    I can’t even describe how livid these comments make me (and I have a flat belly). That’s your reaction to this photo?! Shallow, hollow, stupid nincompoops! I’d like to see your bodies. Anyway – what I really wanted to say is this: I am sick and tired of seeing stick-thin 16-25 year olds in magazines, on the runway, in the movies. Not only because I think that most of them are seriously underweight but because there is no variety and because it does seem to brainwash some people/girls into thinking that this should be the ideal for everyone. Consider this (read in a blog written by under 25yearolds recently): Claudia Schiffer (38 years old) and other 1990s super models are considered “aging”.

    Sad but true: size 8 is already considered plus-size by (too) many people. And you don’t even have to go as far back as Marilyn (“if Marilyn Monroe were starting out today she would probably never have even gotten to make her first movie”). What about Meryl Streep, Barbra Streisand, Sissy Spacek, Diane Keaton? Not “overweight” like Marilyn but would their looks get accepted these days? I am also sick of reading lines like “don’t wear leggings, mini skirts, sack-like dresses if you are too big” i.e. not skinny. Well how about featuring clothes that do look good on those over a size 6 (= 90% of your readers) instead? There’s an easy solution to all this BS though: stop buying these magazines.


  318. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    Finally a woman who is comfortable enough to basically say, "screw anorexia, I love my body!"

    I don't think the entire fashion industry is ready to give up their image and attitude towards plus size let alone normal sized women. However I think we can see from this it's a start. I applaud this woman for standing up to them. I always used to consider myself a normal size, but would hate shopping because it would always be one of the largest sizes, and if not I'd have to give it up. I fell victim to bingeing a while back, and now that I'm happy with myself it's hard not to have a feeling that I could still be better. Even though I tell myself I'm not, it's hard not to be influenced by the images put out there of women by the fashion world. This image has probably reinforced my beliefs that it's easy to be normal, beautiful, and confident.

  319. Callie Grayson

    August 30, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    LOVE this photo! She looks beautiful, happy and what a women should look like, not the twig thin easy snap models that grace the covers of magazines.

  320. ingefaer

    August 30, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    wow Sart, I think you touched a nerve! Is that the most comments ever?
    Good going!

  321. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    This pictures clearly still isn't real.

    Wheres the extra chin? Wheres the cellulite? That is still genetics, but even the super models have it (they claim).

    On the cover the model is standing straight, hip pushed out, and wearing a bulky blazer or something. This is pretty flattering on her I'd say.

    Naked, shes got her legs crossed in the most unflattering way possible, and hunched. Anybody 'regular' has a gut when hunched over.

    This is a bunch of bologna.

    If they really wanted to make a statement, they would have made the whole magazine with 'regular' models. And every magazine after that, without altering its regular content.

  322. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    I am very familiar with that stomach…in fact, I have one which is extremely similar and it causes me anguish each day. I had my thryoid removed two years ago. Gained 1 pound a week over 8 weeks time and it all went right "there." I exercize most days twice a day and eat as well as I can. No matter, it has no effect. Clothes are depressing because they aren't made to fit a shape like that. Ever notice all the disgusting rolls of fat hanging over jean tops and poking through clingy tops?

    Does this picture make me feel empowered, happy or validated? No way. Carrying that junk around your belly feels bad and I can't imagine that the model feels great about it.

  323. Glen

    August 30, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Why it is shocking people think the model is attractive? People have different tastes. Some people probably look better thinner others look better with flesh. Some people seem to think there are standards that are meaningful. I'm not sure why, these thing are arbitrary. I prefer women with flesh around the middle and dislike skinny legs. Other people have different preferences. Lucky for us there are a variety of people who have a variety of different looks. I don't know what's wrong with variety. The fashion industry seems to have arrived at a desire for consistency. A foolish consistency which as we know is the hobgoblin of little minds. Why not have a variety of different models and enjoy the ones we like? Why concern ourselves overly with little things like if the model has a tummy?

  324. Glen

    August 30, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    Why it is shocking people think the model is attractive? People have different tastes. Some people probably look better thinner others look better with flesh. Some people seem to think there are standards that are meaningful. I'm not sure why, these thing are arbitrary. I prefer women with flesh around the middle and dislike skinny legs. Other people have different preferences. Lucky for us there are a variety of people who have a variety of different looks. I don't know what's wrong with variety. The fashion industry seems to have arrived at a desire for consistency. A foolish consistency which as we know is the hobgoblin of little minds. Why not have a variety of different models? Why concern ourselves overly with little things?

  325. Candice

    August 30, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    What a great picture! She is so beautiful (let's say she is probably considered way above average in beauty when she walks on the street) but she is so real in this picture and that's not something we often see.

    I don't really care if it was done to sell more mags, the important part is that it was done! And some women will be able to see it and think that wow, she is beautiful even if she's not perfect in the obvious way we normally see. She's beautiful and she's natural! We can all be that.

  326. maryamjan

    August 30, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    It saddens me to hear what some of these size 0 and 2 models go through to stay so thin. They are missing out on the delights of food. I'm a happy and healthy size 6-8 and Gawd I love eating! :)


    August 30, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    GOD YES…



  328. fany

    August 30, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    only I see a happy woman….and for me is the best!!! it doesn´t matter the rest!!! ( sorry for my english, it isn´t good )

  329. Lisa

    August 30, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    For a while now I've been meaning to write the typical angry email to you for being a typical man in the fashion world who thinks that anyone over a size 4 should just go away for good and I'm glad I didn't. I was really interested to read that older and heavier women refuse to be photographed; I assumed the bias was yours. I can see how these women feel: that they are less than perfect and therefor not worthy. What a damned shame. The woman in the magazine is really lovely, and like all of us, she has flaws, none of which make her any less of a person. One only has to hang out in a women's locker room to see the reality of the woman's body. If you stop me in the street I'll let you photograph me…I'm a size 12.

    Keep up the good work, your blog is always an inspiration.

  330. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    She is an absolutely beautiful woman! It is nice to see someone I can relate to, rather then looking at some little anorexic girl. This woman is a real woman and it is a stunning picture. Thank you!

  331. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    Thanks for this post and noting that larger and/or older women sometimes shy away from being photographed by you. I did appreciate you describing that because although your book is FABULOUS and I LOVE IT, you really don't have many people in it of above-fashion-model size.

    And this issue of featuring "regular-sized" women is one that constantly circulates in the fashion mag repertoire in my opinion . . . every once in a while there will be a feature highlighting more curvy models. Though no matter how many mags pat themselves on the back for doing a feature on women who are not models, they always go back to model sizes, no matter what. So I appreciate it but shrug my shoulders, too. Things aren't going to change until leadership in the fashion industry lead the way in a a continued, sustained way.

    Thanks for opening up this dialogue, Scott!

  332. Stella

    August 30, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    People need to realize it's not about being "skinny" or even "average", but enjoying your natural body shape.

    I find it offensive when I hear people trumpet "REAL women don't look that way", when I have a naturally waifish body. That said, women need to stop conforming to ANY kind of standards – whether buxom and curvy in the 1960's, or stick-thin today. Being healthy and *relatively* fit is truly the most important thing. The polarizing statistics in this country is truly awful – America has the highest obesity rate, as well as one of the highest rates of eating disorders.

  333. Juan Pensamiento

    August 30, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    How about "healthy" or "larger" men? Do they usually say no, too, or do you never ask them to pose for a picture? I don't mean to ask these questions in an angry way, but as a larger guy who cares about style, I am interested in why I can never find someone to identify with…I also realize that larger men have a more difficult access to trends in their sizes. To give you an idea, I wear a size 32 waist in my jeans and I am 5 foot 7 inches. I am by no means gigantic, but I certainly do not fit in the skeletal proportions we are used to seeing in both men and women. I love this blog and try to watch it everyday, but besides the fact that you obviously do not consider age to diminish beauty, I always thought you conformed to the regular standards of being thin as a requisite to be beautiful. English is not my first language, so I'm sorry if I have any terrible grammar mistakes.

  334. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    One picture of a slim woman with a bit of tummy -and you get triple the usual number of comments!

  335. elif pinar

    August 30, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    first of all; is this woman a plus sized woman really? she is just average…


    i hope that this will really be a great start


    depending on my observations and experiences as an 18 year old college student I believe that the damage caused by designers and thin models cannot be erased with one "plus sized" model's photos.

    i honestly think that she is beatiful but i still deep in my heart believe that thin is better…

  336. Nina79

    August 30, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    As a woman, and one with curves, I would love to see more woman like myself in magazines. But will it really change? I don't know. Moste style blogs I've come across unfortunatly still mostly show young, skinny woman (and men), and not people in all ages, shapes and sizes.

    I actually read an article quoting a fashion editor not long ago (can't remeber where, but it was in a German magazine) and she was complaining, the in the years she had been working, the big fashion companies who sent them clothes of the next season to fotographe had been shrinking in size every year. The clothes were far too small for any model that wasnt really skinny to fit into. But without someone applying pressure, be it the readers or the editors or fashion designers themselves, I don't see this changing.

  337. Kiran

    August 30, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    Great post. It's time to really show off some of that womanly curves, and not shy from it. Self-appreciation reflects good attitude and a great self-esteem boost! Go girl with curves POWER!!!

  338. DK

    August 30, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    I don't understand all the controversy over waifish models in magazines. When I open a fashion mag, I don't want to see women like this who are flabby or "curvy." I can see them anywhere! The whole point of a fashion magazine is to present a kind of fantasy, an aesthetic ideal that you don't come across every day. Magazines that feature "normal" models like this defeat their own purpose.

    And another thing. No matter how good this woman feels about her body, most men will not find her figure attractive. Right or wrong, it's the truth of modern society.

    Bottom line: Fashion magazines are fantasy, and everyone knows it. Why not let them alone?

  339. Maverick Malone

    August 30, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    This is so interesting.

    I read an article in the fall issue of Elle, just a few days ago, about how women dress two different ways. They dress for men and they dress for women.

    I feel it's the same with weight. I've heard from many men, time after time that men don't like "skinny, waif girls". They like normal, curvy girls.

    But, in the fashion world it seems women are only competing with each other and themselves both in clothes and in weight.

    Personally, I like the photo. I think she's beautiful. And outside of the fashion world, I imagine most people would agree with me.
    But in the world of fashion that doesn't matter.

    I'm not sure if the fashion world and the real world will ever collide.
    Also, no, I don't think that this economic crisis has forced the fashion community to see what customers want.

  340. sinus

    August 30, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    I'm sorry, but that is not a large woman or a woman with an obesity problem. She looks like she has a postnatal saggy belly (loose skin) at worst. Her arms are not flabby. She has no double chin. The belly region is not particularly attractive, but it's not rotund. The way she is sitting causes a natural pooch in the belly. In other words, this is obviously a posturing on the part of the model (physically) and posturing on the part of the editor- to sell more magazines.

  341. su

    August 30, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    I think that fashion, as an industry, has to answer to what market whants, feels, demands… and nowadays there is a general feeling in women about beeing happy in herself, and not being always thiking that they are fat if they weight more than 50kg. And I thnik that now fashion has noticed this (they arrive late, in my opinion)and that fashion, cosmetics, and industry in general are anserwing what women expect, and the first to do it, it will be the winner, and it will the brand that will notice best results and best image between its target group.

  342. Melisande

    August 30, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    To those of you leaving negative comments, I want to point out that people do not have perfect control over their various body parts. Lots of the comments here run along the lines of, 'She's pretty, but she'd be prettier without the belly fat.' Okay, so what? She can't just wish it away. You may find it easy to lose belly fat; people with other body types have to work much harder. (Cf. the comment by greendress above.) Sometimes they have better things to do with their time.

    The 'She is not at all beautiful' comment left me speechless. Really, a belly pooch that would be indistinguishable under clothes negates everything else beautiful about her?

  343. Erin

    August 30, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    I too am quite relieved that there is a valid excuse for the homogeneous nature of your female subjects. It's painful to be a young woman with a growing sense of fashion and having to fear that she can never be considered chic because of her size.

  344. Laurence John

    August 30, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    my eye is helplessly drawn to the roll of flesh at her midriff. but then it's not a very flattering pose.

    since she is in the nude and not wearing any clothes i don't see what it has to do with 'average' women and fashion. surely she should have been pictured in clothes to highlight the point ?

  345. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    So you've only featured maybe one double-digit-size woman in all your years of blogging (the African woman in the purple wrap) — because larger women said no?

    I can believe larger women are more reluctant, but not *that* reluctant. Photograph who you want but don't blame us for your choices.

  346. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    I'd prefer seeing real women, especially older women! I miss that about France – older women dressed well, and at times somewhat revealingly (in a tasteful, "young"way). Here in DC, I have 35 year old women at the boutique saying that a knee-length dress is too short for them.

    Honestly, I think it is partly the fault of gay men – they love thin young boys, and seek to make women imitate them in fashion.

  347. = MARIA

    August 30, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    this shows so much appreciation for consumers and the female audience, that I'm gonna buy one issue as a direct manifestation of my support of this ideology of the normal weight women!

    Some ULTRA skinny 17 year old girls are pretty, but they are not the representation of an audience, and they are old already at 25…come on! when is this fantasy gonna end if in deed it has killed even the pretty girls.

  348. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    yawn, what a bunch of sheeple (sheep people).i was never under the impression that these forms of media were trying to forcefully shove this "image" down my throat as it is made out to be. fashion is an art, criticize the brush strokes not the canvas. you've all been led by society that these designers are advocates of an "unhealthy image". remember society feeds on exploitation, they are taking self-image concerns, exploiting it and giving you something to blame it on. please think for once.

  349. Danielle Warby

    August 30, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    we certainly need to see more real women in fashion. this post says it way better than i could:

  350. Tommy

    August 30, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    WOW!!! im just reading through everyones opinion very interesting!

  351. Tommy

    August 30, 2009 at 7:45 pm

  352. sparkle motion

    August 30, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    its nice to see normal people in magazines. I dress the way I like despite the fact that I am not a size 0 or 2. I am completely average and I still have fun with what I wear.

  353. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    While I applaud the effort of Glamour to run a photograph of a woman who is not the "norm" for fashion/women's magazines (is Glamour a fashion mag? I know it has "fashion" content but its probably not a fashion mag) or an un-retouched image – which I think also needs to be addressed in the industry, I think its a shame the image itself couldn't have been more interesting or just simply a better photograph of a "regular" woman.
    I think most women feel pretty cheated by the fashion industry because so many are excluded not necessarily for being overweight but for simply NOT being a size 2.
    But we keep buying the magazines – so what does that say about us?

    Its great to hear the the Glamour's were sold out everywhere – I think they were brave and made a bold move however I don't foresee massive change throughout the industry – at least not in terms of fashion, models, womens figures or their airbrushing techniques.
    Change is happening in other ways and probably not the way magazines would like.

  354. LIO

    August 30, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    Dear Sartorialist,

    I hope you continue to approach women and men of larger proportions. Your eye for style teaches me a lot about my own style. And this comes from all kinds of bodies and styles. Thank you and keep up the good work!

  355. westindya

    August 30, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    This picture has not changed the fashion industry at all or made society accept "imperfection" as beautiful. This is marketing. People should be healthy, not emaciated. Furthermore, using this lady as the "average" woman is most unrealistic. Average to whom? For whom? Is she an average Black, Asian or Latina woman? Perhaps. Perhaps not.

    I am over the hypocrisy. This would mean more if magazines did this outside of the recession. How gullible we are.

  356. Hernán Díaz

    August 30, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    I think is great that such a recognized magazine publish that type of pictures so people can see itself reflected and don't think that beauty is only what we see on most of the runways this days, beauty is about being comfortable with yourself and your surrounding. :) Best wishes from Argentina!

  357. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    she is showing us the world that we don't want to see.And it is a fact that she is opening OUR eyes
    (our 'cos is not just opening the eyes of fashion community)

  358. margo

    August 30, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    That's looks like my stomach after I had my 2 kids! Very real. Never an image I've seen published before. Thanks for pointing it out and sharing it. I hope you keep asking older and bigger women on the street if you can photograph them. That is the genius of this blog; anyone can look good with a stylist, designer clothes, right lighting, photoshop; but I love seeing real people who came up with their own ideas about what to wear and dared to wear it on the street, not thinking they might be posted HERE for us to admire.

  359. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    I thought this article was refreshing to see. I grew up in the 90s, I've never seen the models of the 80s. I've only seen the stick thin models in magazines. Growing up seeing the stick thin models gives kids a different outlook on what is considered beautiful. I'm a girl, about 6' 1'', and athletic. Being athletic, I have muscle and don't carry really any extra fat. Looking at the magazines, its hard not to feel chubby. If I tried to get down to model size, I would sickly skinny. This picture gives a more realistic view of beauty. It might a good idea to put more average size models on covers to show that beauty is not just being very skinny.

  360. abbkr II

    August 30, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    c'mon everyone

    she has a nice smile, and sure it's nice to see a different kind of woman but that tummy fat is very unflattering and basically the focus of the shot – right down to the "Ab Fab!" title.

    This is shock value. A plus size woman does not have to be sloppy. This image is somewhat exploitative and in poor taste, if you ask me.

    Just because there is a desire to see healthy size women in print doesn't mean standards should be completely discarded

  361. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    she's not fat, but since she's not perfect, it's alarming to us as consumers. What a tremendous disconnect between what we see in the mirror and what we see in magazines. Hating my body for 25+ years is exhausting. Wish I could rest but perhaps that is for the next generation to repair? What a challenge!

  362. Christina

    August 30, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    I think that the use of a "plus-sized" model for the article about body image isn't necessarily a nod toward the consumers of high fashion, but merely a gimmick or ploy to engage the readers. If the model were shown in a fashion spread, wearing high-end clothing, then yes, I would say that it was a bid to woo the vast majority of consumers who aren't waif-like. As it stands, I believe it was never intended to serve as a representation of the fashion industry or its customers.

    In addition to this, I don't believe that the customers necessarily want change. I think the idea of the 6' tall, size 0 model will continue to represent high fashion for a long time to come – at least until the average consumer of fashion magazines stops desiring to emulate the images they consume.

  363. maria fuqua

    August 30, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    Most of the population is not 105 pounds. I am so happy to see the expression of joy on this womans face. She is happy with who she is and she is beautiful!

  364. Nan

    August 30, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    I think the photo works so powerfully because it's
    iconoclastic — it shatters one's concept of a fashion magazine photo. Fashion photography has been testing the boundaries, models have been becoming more diverse and poses less and less 'flattering'. This photo is brilliant in the fashion context because it takes the final step and breaks the convention for the uber-skinny body and the 'haute' expression (bored, vacuous, unreachable, dreamy, lofty, fierce, high on heroin, you name it). This model looks a bit soft and hefty in the flesh to me, her pose is the complete anti-pose and yet she is radiant and laughing. I showed my husband to get his opinion (he can be choosy) and he said "She's totally hot".
    He added "That's what men like".
    I was initially surprised with the model's body (her pooch, mainly) but then I realized that she's beautiful anyway and I really love this photo being a radical, iconoclastic "fashion" image.

  365. buchanan

    August 30, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    …right…get real…fashion magazines take from the streets…you and me…we ARE the fashion…magazines do not create the vibe…we do…so this is a woman..i might look like her i might not…the only persons who are identical are twins and even they are trying to be individuals…this blog is REAL folks…this is where it starts..i like this woman…she knows who she is…who are you?

  366. K

    August 30, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    I don´t particularly think this is a "good" photo, as the way she sits wouldn´t be very flattering for anyone, regardless of size. But I do think it´s relevant, but perhaps even more poignant if it was a better composed shot, or a beautiful editorial, like the many Crystal Renn has done! I mean, she´s a goddess, and oozes more glamour and femininity than the usual fashion suspects. I´m all for androgyny, and I love a tough, and sharp angular looking woman (Like Grace Jones), but I also want to see more of a softer, feminine image portrayal, like the pin up ideal! Would it be so hard to have both? I also have a big issue with terminology like "plus size", as it´s intrinsically negatively perceived, and far from glamorous. I also question why on earth there has to be a segregated market segment, and shops for different sizes? It feels redundant, stigmatizing and almost like size apartheid!Every woman wants to look her best, and the same preferences and desires probably applies for a size 2 or a "plus size", but for some reason it seems like there is a lot of frilly, flowery tents made for the latter ones. Really ridiculous. And what a retail opportunity!

  367. jon yang

    August 30, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    Without taking due time to read all the prior comments, here's heaped more onto the fire.

    Fashion, sexiness, and desirability are steeped in rarity. Idealism of form to comic and caricature.

    Models are sought to be just that, model. Exceptional. Just as leaders are expected to be exceptional, infallible, brilliant, so should shine those who present what we agree to be the best of fashion.

  368. Anonymous

    August 30, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    This photo tells me there's nothing wrong with my mom body. I am beautiful. Thanks Glamour!


  369. d.phinney

    August 30, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    I don't think that the popularity of waif-like women in the fashion world ever really did define beauty in our culture. Everyone has acknowledged that this woman is lovely.

    To respond to what a few people have said: what consumer based industry does not sell a fantasy? Why are we all horrified that the fashion industry does the same thing?

    In any art we see, specific body types that were fashionable at the time prevail, but we still recognize that Titian's nudes, Marilyn Monroe, and Kate Moss are all singularly and undeniably beautiful.

    - D

  370. Happyretro

    August 30, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    That image almost made me cry. It is so nice to see a glamorous picture of a woman who under her clothes has a curvy body like me.

    I stopped buying French Vogue years ago because the images of smoking skeletons just made me want to scream.

    I'm an Australian 14, which is the average size of Australian women. Yet I rarely see women with my body shape in high fashion magazines.

    I'd like to complement Australia's Shop Till You Drop for featuring various shaped and sized women in their photo shoots. Although it isn't high fashion (which I love), I buy STYD because I can see myself in the clothes they're featuring, because they're modeled on women just like me.

    Id also like to say I like the range of ages, shapes, sizes and ethnicities featured in The Sartorialist. You feature real people. Thank you.

  371. Miguel

    August 30, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    I'll defenetly buy it!

  372. photonutz

    August 30, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    To be honest, I doubt it will do much to change the Fashion Industry.

    Designers want models that will match what their sketches look like. Editors want to portray a lifestyle that is fabulous. Neither of those concepts grok with the shot presented.

  373. Keith Fraley

    August 31, 2009 at 12:00 am

    I love what I see and the message being delivered! GREAT LOOK!

  374. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 12:38 am

    "I also think there continues to be a growing disconnect between the fashion community and "average" women in general"

    The high fashion community at the moment seems to consist of extremely rich or well-connected women with the bodies of boys (natural or contrived), wearing shoes they can't walk in, skirts they can't sit down in and bags they can't fit stuff in. Maybe we need these extremes to push fashion forward, but frankly I'm over it. I am tall and slim and love dressing up, but all I'm doing these days is shopping my wardrobe and dragging out my sewing machine.

  375. Melisande

    August 31, 2009 at 12:39 am

    jon yang wrote:

    "Models are sought to be just that, model. Exceptional. Just as leaders are expected to be exceptional, infallible, brilliant, so should shine those who present what we agree to be the best of fashion."

    But the point is, the standard tall, thin runway-model figure should NOT be considered the brilliant, infallible, ideal figure for a woman to have. It is not "better", in any objective or absolute sense, than a shorter or curvier or more muscular or larger-boned figure. It is just an ideal that has been settled on over the course of a century or so, just as in the past, an extreme hourglass shape, a small mouth, small hands and feet, and fair skin were all seen as exceptional and ideal.

    None of these traits is intrinsically better than the others, so the comparison with what we expect from our leaders is invalid (obviously it's better to be infallible than to make mistakes).

  376. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 12:46 am

    This is neither an "older" woman nor a "large" woman. This is a normal female body that has maybe had a baby or who has a wonderfully soft belly. It's just real.

  377. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 1:20 am

    It's great that they are exposing truths about plus size women but it really isn't helping with the plus size image we are getting as Americans… its not promoting "HEALTHY" women … i hope not to offend anyone just saying women that are big can be beautiful but its actually not good to be plus size… just as a health factor we shouldn't make it comfortable to be stick skinny either though…
    just promote to be healthy

  378. Cobalt Violet

    August 31, 2009 at 1:36 am

    She's lovely… radiant …

    I am rolling my eyes at one of the posters saying she is out of shape. How does he know?! It's not easy to have abs of steel or an otherwise flat belly unless you are VERY thin … like when I got out of the hospital this year. Just sayin'.

    Thanks for the post and vibrant discussion!

  379. nikker1969

    August 31, 2009 at 1:44 am

    This picture is a double edge sword. On the one hand it is great to get away from unrealistic, airbrushed female body ideals.
    However, on the heels of a new study that concluded that Americans think that "fat is the new normal" and the fact that childhood obesity is at an all time high, we need to step back and see whom the larger body image serves.
    When did we become a nation of sedentary, overweight sheep that can be enabled by ads that depict the average american dad and mom as overweight and comfortable with themselves?
    Exactly how many 1 dollar bacon cheeseburgers can they cram down our throat? There is enough wheat in America to feed the world but instead we feed it to cattle to produce cheap red meat to feed ourselves into heart disease which is the number one killer among women. There is a price we all pay later in health costs for these dollar food deals now.
    There are people that are genetically, medically, hormonally unable to lose weight then there are the rest of us who's weight is a choice. It is difficult enough to make the decision to eat better food. As I write this I just saw a credit card commercial showing a teenage boy preparing to eat a piled up a plate of grease laden onion rings as the mom watches on in approval. The moment we let corporate america start feeding our kids brand pizza at lunch in school seems like the moment we not only gave up on ourselves but our children as well.
    The model featured in the picture is 20 years old. Is 20 the new forty when it comes to body size?

  380. lancelonie

    August 31, 2009 at 1:45 am

    We do have a larger percentage of women that has that body. Super model bodies are very far from what I see everyday. We should be proud of our bodies no matter what and just be careful of our health in general. :)

  381. jenny

    August 31, 2009 at 2:00 am

    Why should people get stirred up about a "normal" woman modelling? It's rather immature and ridiculous. I'm actually disgusted that people don't take more notice when they see a woman's ribs poking out of their chest in a magazine. There is nothing wrong with "normal-sized woman." If anything, they're the most beautiful kind of woman, just for the fact that they are normal.

  382. Craig Curtis

    August 31, 2009 at 2:03 am

    I love how beautiful and natural this woman is. And so absolutely confident. I certainly hope this is a turn for the better, but I tend to doubt the trend will last long. What do I want to see? Anna Wintour in the buff. When that scrawny old hag takes off her Helen Keller scrip glasses, and glares blindly into the dusk, I'll be happy as hell.

  383. RAR

    August 31, 2009 at 3:24 am

    What were seeing here is magazine sales. if the majority of women are overweight and fat due to an unhealthy diet, you don't get fat by eating healthy,
    they will buy the magazine, healthy fit women are becoming a minority with less buying power, so the audience changes for the magazine. In a world of junk food and unhealthy diets there's nothing wrong with giving people something to strive for,
    like a fit healthy body. Why reinforce an unhealthy life style. Most people want a fit healthy body seeing all the diets that are around. Why because it looks better and is healthier.

  384. Jay Dot

    August 31, 2009 at 3:29 am

    This is great to see on your blog. I love your shots, the women are all so stylish, but they are also all very skinny. The fashion world is pushing that the only way to wear clothes stylishly, is when they are draped over thin frames. This shot of an average sized women, clothed in absolutely nothing is a great juxtaposition. Scott, please put photos up of the average or larger sized girls. Your work is genius nonetheless.

  385. Zazie

    August 31, 2009 at 3:49 am

    I think street-style blogs, like yours or Garance's are so fresh and inspiring because they already deliver a larger variety of styles and beauty types. Press magazins deliver homologated bodies and faces, and airbrushes and photoshop make sure every bit of individuality is erased. Variety is less boring, frankly, and it is easier for the customer to relate to realistic faces and bodies.
    (p.s. I love the way you take pictures of the elder people: those are your pics I prefer. I perceive a great respect and loving care in the eye of the photographer. That's one of the reasons why I love this blog so much!)

  386. anne

    August 31, 2009 at 4:11 am

    I think more than 350 comments say a lot… Beauty is more than size. By the way: I wouldn't say no :)

  387. thwany

    August 31, 2009 at 4:16 am

    amen to this!

  388. jkh

    August 31, 2009 at 5:13 am

    nice belly. awful perspective.

  389. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 5:36 am

    I haven't read the other (numerous) comments, so I may be repeating someone else's line here. I was under the distinct impression that fashion magazines in general were making much more of an effort to connect with everyday readers lately. Some idea where they send photographers with keen eyes out onto the streets to capture what real people are wearing. Lord knows where they got the idea from, but I got the impression that it worked—I know a girl who buys certain magazines and turns straight for the 'street style' pages.

  390. eloise in berlin

    August 31, 2009 at 5:56 am

    She is beautiful and nowhere near overweight – as Angela said, she would be considered healthy. We need to see more images like this to remind ourselves that wobbly bits are absolutely normal on a woman! BRAVO

  391. LeeLee (an American in Italy)

    August 31, 2009 at 6:03 am

    Nothing prettier than a happy woman with that "inner glow". If you have that, it seems to matter less whether you are thin or a few pounds overweight.

  392. SequinsandBangles

    August 31, 2009 at 6:41 am

    I think this is great to see. I worked backstage at a fashion show this weekend and our plus size model was a UK12 which is actually below the national average size! And to be honest she looked much happier than some of the skinnier models :)

  393. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 6:43 am

    Everyone loves the Sartorialist because you are so on it~! Yes~!

  394. lala

    August 31, 2009 at 6:44 am

    I think we are kidding ourselves that magazines and designers are going to start showing for all shapes and sizes. That said, she is a beautiful woman, and i note many comments are from relieved 49 something women who have a similar tummy post childbirth.

    What srikes me as odd somewhat is this model is, according to the Glamour article, only age 20! I wonder how one manages to achieve such slack skin so young?

  395. MarNoir

    August 31, 2009 at 6:53 am

    Really beautiful. I really hope this will set a new trend a new era! I hope the fashion industrie will now start to book normal sized women. Great!

  396. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 7:12 am

    Since when did fashion become about the masses? Sorry, fashion to me is something aspirational and rare – hence the definition "model"

    In America, instead of trying to stay healthy and thin, we are hell bent on trying to make the world conform to our vision of overweight is beautiful because lots of us are overweight. Or we want to change the definition of overweight to be convenient to us.

  397. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 7:35 am

    i bought that magazine a week or so and i remember on seeing that picture i instantly thought that she looked really happy and beautiful and her tummy was so sexy and womanly. it definitely made me feel better about my own body and i hope its a trend that continues. why are we women so afraid of seeing other woman our size? or are just afraid of fat?

  398. Ashley

    August 31, 2009 at 7:45 am

    I think this is a good thing…"normal"-size women should be featured more often in fashion magazines.

  399. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 7:55 am

    She looks gorgious! BUT – is she wearing a thong? That underwear makes her look like she is divided in two pieces…NOT stylish! A beautiful panty or cute hipsters would have looked nicer!
    /Kristin, Stockholm SWEDEN

  400. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 8:01 am

    Thank GAWD. What a photo – a woman who doesn't look like a lollipop and seems pretty damn comfortable in her skin. Anyway, why must we focus so much on the shape/size of women's bodies? Can't people have style (and health!!) without focusing to such an extent on the weight of women, but instead on how they adorn their beautiful and diverse bodies, how they keep them healthy, and how they feel great in them? I'm not sure if this cover can be attributed to the state of the economy…whatever is going on I certainly hope it's the result of listening to the actual desires of women and men alike. I hope our society can learn to appreciate the beauty of diversity and the importance of health, whatever size/shape that comes in.

  401. Geisslein

    August 31, 2009 at 8:07 am

    I think this picture is SO GREAT…and the woman is so beautiful too! We want to see more of these pictures please!

  402. deeleigh

    August 31, 2009 at 8:11 am

    I've written you in the past saying that I enjoy your blog but would like to see some non-skinny women in it occasionally.

    On the other hand, I understand the concerns of the women who are turning you down. I wear a size 16W/18/20UK, and if someone took a picture of me on the street, I too would be concerned about the context in which it would be used. Showing up as an illustration in an obesity scare story (booga, booga!) is probably every fat woman's nightmare. There are also fashion blogs that exist to mock people's appearances.

    Perhaps you could sign a paper promising to use the picture in a positive context, in a fashion blog, and giving the URL. If it were me, that would go a long way toward allaying my fears.

  403. Carolina Lange

    August 31, 2009 at 8:11 am

    Wow! Amazing post! Great words! I agree with you 100%!

  404. miloscz

    August 31, 2009 at 8:39 am

    Why were clothes invented?
    No comments about Adam and Eve please.
    Not for the sake of fashion, I guess.
    Clothes maketh the woman, or man?
    I think not.

  405. Alice Olive

    August 31, 2009 at 8:41 am

    I think the economic crisis has little to do with it. We live in a visual society which values youth and beauty. And that beauty is highly and narrowly (no pun intended) defined.

    Every so often we pay superficial homage to 'real sizing' or 'real beauty' in a 'special' news or magazine article and then go right back to placing value on what we've always valued.

    Let's not just point the finger at the fashion industry. It pervades our entire culture.

  406. thimbles and gingham

    August 31, 2009 at 8:44 am

    i hadn't seen this photo before but its beautiful. a good job done by glamour magazine indeed.

  407. Dajda

    August 31, 2009 at 9:02 am

    I think it's more than the crisis – more people are beginning to see that the equation skinny=beautiful is simply untrue and so start to be suspicious of the fashion industry that thrives on this idea. Customers are getting more self-conscious and the industry has to take that into account.

    The last time I had Glamour in my hands, they had an article on men prefering regular women to skinny women, and several pages later, about the best ways to lose weight. But the photo is a good start anyway, and I'm glad it's there.

  408. carly k

    August 31, 2009 at 9:03 am

    This photo makes me happy to be the size I am. The model is a stunning woman…someone who looks approachable and friendly, comfortable with her beauty. She looks like someone I would want to be friends with as she looks like she won't pass any judgements on "so-called" beauty.

    I am soured at the fact that Glamour uses a photo of a real woman to cause a stir. Curves and confidence are so much more attractive and should be the norm in print as they are in life.

  409. indigo warrior

    August 31, 2009 at 9:05 am

    Dear Sartorialist,

    There are a lot of things that need to change about the fashion industry. Size-ism is one of them. Do you know what it feels like to pick up a magazine and not see anyone who looks like you? To be told by an entire and very visible industry that you are less-than, that you are not desired even as a customer? It stinks.

    I weigh twice as much as I 'should'. I've always been fat. Even as a child. I'm also quite healthy. I'm just not what is known as 'normal' or 'average'. Neither are any of the models in magazines. They are really as abnormal as I am.

    None of this stops me from living a life. I'm happy. I'm healthy. I'm loved. I'm just not fashionable.

    What this means for the fashion industry is that they really don't have much of my business, do they? Especially not the shops that carry my size. Yikes.

    PS – have you seen that series by Leonard Nemoy? Stunning.

  410. The Clever Pup

    August 31, 2009 at 9:36 am

    I'm glad she's opened our eyes and reminded us what real women look like.

    Ruebens would have loved her.

    What troubles me is ad campaigns aimed at woman who have money to spend but yet the ads are peopled by girls, yes girls, 16 and younger. What's that about?

  411. wendy m

    August 31, 2009 at 9:42 am

    as much as its nice to see a normal person on the cover of a glossy magazine, i think this lady has lost a lot of weight that should explain the flabby flesh hanging on her tummy and thighs so she is also a victim of model syndrome or she would have just let herself be, so i don't think she qualifies to be classed "normal"

  412. sarah p.

    August 31, 2009 at 10:00 am

    I'm happy that the issue sold out, proving to publishers that people do want to see regular people in their fashion magazines. This woman is still a very classically beautiful woman, and very pleasing to look. Although there is clearly a limit to how far mainstream fashion magazines will push their readers, I applaud this model. Seeing as this issue turned out to be such a big deal it must have been difficult to get naked and pose for the world with all her beautiful "imperfections".

  413. J-Bird

    August 31, 2009 at 10:03 am

    I'm pretty tired of hearing people write scathing reviews about anorexic models. FIRST OFF, models are women with really high metabolisms, whose lives revolve around muscle toning regiments at he gym and healthy diets. Yes there are some eating disorders out there, but certainly not as many as the public thinks. Quite frankly, overeating is a bigger issue in the U.S. than under eating.

    Second, on a runway, clothes look a million times better on a slender girl, because you notice the piece of item, not the body behind it. That's ideal for a designer when presenting a collection, notice the couture and the face, not the body.

    Thirdly, she's average, but she's clearly out of shape. She's not fat, but she doesn't look healthy. Why aspire to average? You can be a size four, in shape and healthy. I don't understand the need for ramming images like this down our throats… do we have such a huge self-esteem problem that a 17 year old girl walking down the runway causes us to feel bad about ourselves? Is that why we want to see these kind of models? Because in comparison, we feel better?

  414. jeff

    August 31, 2009 at 10:06 am

    What is now considered "average" is NOT a healthy body weight. I am sick of hearing the term "real woman"… all this means is someone who has relegated themselves to our modern lifestyle of eating (and/or overeating) overly processed foods and is not exercising to make up for a sedentary lifestyle.

    I'm not saying that women should be the size of runway models, but only recently in the annals of man, have we become sedentary (something very new to the human race and body!) What happens when you take humans who have been farmers, hunters, gathers for thousands of years and throw them into a cubicle and offer them processed sugary food? A set-up to fail.

    We need to teach young people that to balance our sedentary work and lifestyles, we need to exercise and make better food choices.

  415. kellyceleste

    August 31, 2009 at 10:21 am

    The rise of the Rubenesque woman. I love it.

  416. Danielle

    August 31, 2009 at 10:25 am

    shes is sooo beautiful!!!
    but it was a surprise at first really, the eye is not used so much flatulence!
    beautiful and natural flatulence haha
    seriously she is the way she should be! and that is not only natural, but perfect in every sense!
    check this designers fashion trend, for every size and every model of life:

  417. T

    August 31, 2009 at 10:26 am

    "ab flab" maybe; there is nothing fabulous about this. her stomach is extremely off putting. Aron had it right.

    there is unhealthy and healthy. so-called professionals rarely showcase the latter.

  418. JustNorman

    August 31, 2009 at 10:45 am

    nothing wrong with an average woman. Go her
    the blog that no one knows about

  419. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 10:48 am

    I have to apologize to you: several times, despite the fact that I love your blog, I have questioned your seemingly determined committment to photographing only the thinnest of the thin on the streets. "Surely", I mused to myself, "there are some well-dressed, stylish fat people in this world?" I have to say that it never occured to me that larger people, women in particular, wouldn't actually allow you to photograph them (and from personal experience I should have realized it). I hope this debate convinces some of them to change their minds! Thanks for all the inspiring photos.

  420. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 11:07 am

    it's about time, i think! yay for the economic crisis!

  421. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 11:19 am

    I think magazines sell you a dream, a picture-perfect dream. I don't want to see models my size and shape in fashion mags, I don't want to see a garden like mine in a gardening magazine, I don't want to see a living room like mine in a house decoration magazine. It does not make me feel bad about myself, my garden, or my house. It gives me inspiration, not frustration

  422. pixie

    August 31, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    I cried when I saw this photo. That is my belly. I'm 5'8", 125 lbs, and probably a bit thinner then this model but I have that belly. I'm older and have had a child.

    I've spent months, maybe even years trying to decide on lipo or most likely, a tummy tuck. Because of this photo, I'm not doing it.

    It made me realize that how I look is NORMAL and that works just fine for me. Thanks for this Sart, what an eye opener.


  423. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    If the economy is the reason that the fashion community is FINALLY listening, then great!! I love the image. It's so real and honest and her smile is beautiful as is her body.

  424. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    Men want to see real women too. I think most straight men appreciate a woman with curves. It's basically a commonplace among my friends that the skinny model girl image was invented by gay men,

  425. Miss Bird

    August 31, 2009 at 1:25 pm


    I find this image intriguing in your blog due to its obvious lack of style in terms of clothing. Yet, I find that the model poises her body with a spirit that is reflected in some of your photos. Through my growing interest in style, the fashion industry, and all that it entails, it seems (to myself, at least) that there may be an understanding between consumer and designer. Designers do just this – design beautiful things, bringing together different elements to refresh our eyes and minds. They give the beholders something more to consider such as a variation on a theme, a resurrection of something forgotten, a new innovation to be considered. They design, but they do not cater.

    On the other hand, before us, the beholders, lies the unique challenge and privilege to incorporate these ideas, inspirations, and elements into our own sphere of living. We adapt those elements that we find particularly engaging to our needs, desires, and, yes, body types.

    Is there a greater disconnect between the fashion community and "average" women? Possibly. I suppose it would depend on one's expectations. You could point out the disconnect between the ubiquitous presence of heels in fashion and the physical inability for some to wear them. One could point to the disconnect between the price for a designer piece and the average student's budget. Or you could show the disconnect between "model size" and "average woman size".

    The economic crisis could be moving the fashion community toward a more accommodating position for the customer. Will it ever cater? Very doubtful. I'm not sure that's what fashion is about. Rather, it seems to focus more on expanding our horizons, leaving us room to consider, accept, set aside, ignore, or adapt–but all as we see fit. And perhaps, this is what we wanted all along.

  426. Kat

    August 31, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    She is a beautiful woman! Exclamation point.

  427. hibou

    August 31, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    Wow, there are so many comments here…I'm late to the party and maybe my comment won't be read, but that's ok…

    I totally agree that there is a growing gap between fashion and the average woman. Over and over, I find myself falling in love with a particular garment and the way it drapes beautifully on the body, only to realize that the body it is draped on is VERY different from my own. I struggle with the fact that many clothes are available in a wide range of sizes, yet are always only displayed on a very small frame, usually with few curves. I love to embrace new styles and designs, but I always have to remind myself that each garment will look COMPLETELY different on me. For example: If you are going to sell "skinny" jeans in a size 12 or 14 (I am speaking in US/Canada sizes), please show me how you expect that to look good!

    Thank you, Sartorialist, for bringing the topic to the table! I love your blog.

  428. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    She looks like A LOT of women do without their clothes on and posed in a "just right" position. It's time clothes were designed to accomodate that. There are designs for twiggy young girls and designs for full bodied women. You can't sell the same clothes to both!

  429. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    I think the bigger problem is the photoshop used on most magazine covers that give a false image. A skinny model is real, a healthy sized model is real. a photoshoped model is not.

  430. Christina

    August 31, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    I posted about this on my blog as well. What bothers me is that fashion should be for everyone, and it's not. Why should women who are the "average" size which usually ranges from a 6-12, feel like they can't wear clothes made by certain designers or buy from certain stores? In fashion there is definitely a caste system and thinner, taller, women are susally at the top. So many women who are fuller figured feel like they can't get into high fashion because they can't find things in their sizes. This model is lovely, but also normal. Why is there this disconnect between real women and the fashion world? Shouldn't everyone feel like they can shop anywhere and buy what they want without worrying about their size, especially if they fall within the "average?" I applaud Glamour for featuring this woman in the magazine, but I think that more "real" women should be featured on a regular basis. Then we could all be in an uproar about a 6 foot 110 pound waif instead of a woman who looks like and represents women everywhere.

  431. Cynthia

    August 31, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    When she is on the cover without mention of her size (plus or regular) that is when we will know that the fashion industry has embraced real woman.

    They will keep running special sections about dealing with your figure-flaws, all the while telling us we should love and accept ourselves. Then they will point out how they do reflect reality.

    As noted many times above–fashion is NOT about reality.

  432. Catherina R.

    August 31, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    I think the The Rubenesque ideal of woman is not any less oppressive than the 6-ft rail-thin model. Both are two different types of appearance that are very rare among the general population, and most women are somewhere in between. Switching from one oppressive idea of beauty to another is not liberation – it's just a change of regime.

  433. davelane

    August 31, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    I hope we really do start to see more of this. cause, damn she's hot, and i think that the obsession with perfection is hard on both sexes.

    not just because we're both trying to look perfect, but also because we are so aware of imperfections in our mates and it interferes with our sexual (and other) connections.

    There's no need!

  434. Kevin

    August 31, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    Heh not a lot sartorially going on here, so I guess we're discussing body shape, ok: She's pretty, she can pull it off. Most men wouldn't object, speaking as an appreciative one. There's enough left of her shape that well-cut clothes can work with.

    Another 15 pounds, though, and she'd blend in with the rest of the herd, forced to focus on shoes and handbags which no one will notice.

  435. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    The picture is published in Glamour, a magazine for women. As long as only females will stand up for curves and healthy dress sizes, nothing will change in the minds of teens who see that men still choose their skinny best friend over them. It is men these pictures should target not women!

  436. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    "Do what you please but please look good doing it"
    Pamela Harriman.

  437. Marissa

    August 31, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    It was SO nice to see another image of beauty in a magazine for a change. I am honestly sick of seeing the same thing over and over again, as if that were the only "look" that was beautiful. Personally I can find beauty in different shapes, sizes, and colors and I know I am not alone.

    It does bother that this model is considered "plus sized"…plus what? I lost 150lbs and am at a healthy weight, and in some circles I am still considered "plus sized" which makes absolutely no sense to me. A size 8 is NOT plus sized! Why do we even need that category to begin with?? Why do we have to shame women into thinking that the only way to be beautiful is by being under a size 6, with toned flesh, and white skin??? There are so many beauties out there! That is why i adore your blog SO much. I wish women with different body shapes would allow you to photograph them. I would proudly pose if I were in a city you visited!

  438. Melisande

    August 31, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    To everyone who's saying we should see only fit, healthy bodies in magazines:

    You CANNOT TELL whether someone is healthy from the shape of his or her body. You can judge some probabilities (_maybe_ this fat person eats junk food and sits around all day; _maybe_ this thin person runs marathons), but they're never 100% (maybe the fat person is the runner and the thin person is the couch potato).

    I'm a woman in my mid-twenties of average height and have never weighed over 115 pounds. I eat healthy because I sleep better and have more energy that way, but I've had periods of eating exclusively junk food. (And I've never exercised; I don't think I can run a mile without stopping.) During those periods, I never gained more than two or three pounds; no one could tell how bad my diet was by looking at me.

    People without my genetic luck who gain weight when they eat junk food get blamed for being greedy and unhealthy. I deserve as much of that blame as they do, but I never get it. Everyone assumes I'm in good shape.

    I agree that Americans' eating habits are by and large terrible and that we should aspire to be more healthy. That isn't the same as aspiring to be thin.

    Most models are so young and naturally thin that they can (and often do) lead thoroughly unhealthy lifestyles without any evident physical consequences; are you going to investigate their habits and hold them to a specific regimen of healthy food and exercise before allowing them to be photographed? If not, you can hardly claim them as role models. Let's stop pretending that the desire to see thin women in magazines is motivated by a concern for health. It is purely aesthetic.

  439. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    2/3 of Americans are overweight. So, being overweight is now considered to be "normal". (In the Disney movie 'Bolt', all the adults, except the sneaky manager, were drawn overweight. Wow!)
    The girl in GLAMOUR is only 20 years young, and NOT in the best shape of her life.
    Fashionmodels, who have been slender since the beginning of magazines, are now accused of being "unnatural".
    Thin women are not "real" women. Overweight women call themselves "curvy".
    Do we see a pattern here…?

  440. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    Absolutely – designers effectively say women sized anything larger than a US6 are fat when they won't make anything larger, and shops are missing out on the sales by not demanding more. Not to mention fashion magazines. It's hard to tell where the rot begins. I think we're tired of all the airbrushing, the plastic surgery, the falseness of it all. I'm very inspired by your site because of this.

  441. Blue Sparrow

    August 31, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    The angle of her body in the picture makes her look slimmer than she really is. She has a pretty face and her body is a woman’s body. I will not use the term 'normal/real' woman’s body because as Emily pointed out it is insulting to label skinny woman 'abnormal' and other woman 'normal'. Beauty is subjective, to me it is an issue that her stomach is not toned and that she has fat on her belly. A woman does not need to be slim but she should respect her body and keep in shape. One of the most beautiful women I have seen was larger with strong hips, legs, larger breasts, and not a size 8 or 10 by any means. The difference was she practiced yoga and had an amazingly toned and flat stomach. She looked healthy and was beautiful! It is a bullshit argument that men can be whatever shape they want and woman must be slim, everyone should respect their body and keep in shape.

    Timothy Florijn

  442. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    It's interesting to read the comments on here from women who seem to believe that the only thing separating them from designer looks is that designers don't make clothes in their size, or for their size. As if being swathed in yards of couture instead of chicos will make a bit of difference. If anyone is guilty of falseness in advertising, it's the shameless brand-driven marketing that allows women to believe in this fantasy.

    Here is the truth: clothes and presentation will at most add a point on a ten-point scale. Generally, you won't look any better in clothes than you do out of them. Sorry.

    For me, I've foresworn any more clothes until I reach my goal at the gym. I'm taking the couple grand I normally blow on fall shopping and giving it to a personal trainer to kick my ass into shape.

  443. Jane

    August 31, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    Thanks so much for posting this, Sart! She's unstoppable.

  444. Charmaine Lake

    August 31, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    Having worked in the fashion industry and having been a designer myself. I had a preconcieved idea of what fashion was. Thin, sexy, not to heavy or curvy…etc. Now out of that world I find "normal" sized women to be more appealing. I can relate to this woman. Not Naomi Campbell, Niki Taylor, Gisele….etc. I don't have a stylist and I much rather read about women just like myself.

  445. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    i can understand why the fashion industry likes tall thin girls, they are just easier to make clothes for. but that shouldnt mean that we all have to be that way. they are the billboards and we are the consumers. i think its weird to compare yourself to the girls in fashion magazines. but since people do that, its good that they put this woman in there, so that people can start accepting themselves. whether they did it to sell magazines or to show how people actually look, im glad they did it.

  446. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    As much as I adore fashion – the industry can be so cruel to its customer. Real women are out there all around and are mostly ignored as being desirable by mainstream fashion. Its ludicrous!

    This image is a sigh of relief for those woman who struggle with body image. Good stuff!

  447. Jessi

    August 31, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    i saw this article when this issue first came out (aren't i lucky my roommate has a subscription!) and i had to do a double take. i love how beautiful this woman is and how real she is. beauty is so much more than too many magazines like to make us think. i work at a big retail chain and the company did a study on which models people liked more… and it was the models that looked the least like models! i hope the fashion industry starts to catch on soon!

  448. Nicole

    August 31, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    It kills me when people go the unhealthy vs. healthy route when discussing the size issue. I'm going to assume that the average person doesn't assess or truly care about the health of a stranger, let alone a model in a magazine. I believe that a blind call to healthiness makes people feel justified in their not liking what they see, which, alone, without the insincere medical diagnosis, is fine.

    And what's up with all the tip-toey quotation marks running rampant 'round here?

    All that crankiness aside, I do think this particular photo is lovely.

  449. Anonymous

    August 31, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    i dont know the actual consequences of such a thing. skinny girls are cheaper to dress, models or not, and im slim, so no complains here; but as the multi-million dollars industry that fashion is, i dont think plus size or even kinda normal size is ever gonna be even with slim/skinny/00 size. just because, skinny=less cloth=more profits. sorry 4my writing skills and my pesimism

  450. Anna

    August 31, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    It's a lovely cover, and she looks beautiful! It is most certainly a step in the right direction.

  451. cathyc

    August 31, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    Mea culpa…I too had assumed that the reason you have few pictures of older women and more interestingly shaped women was your prejudice.

    It's a pity there aren't more women prepared to fight the good fight. To decline the chance to be captured by a fashion photographer is such a judgment on how insecure women are…after all, these women who are declining are obviously confident in themselves and love their dress sense and yet they are not confident outside themselves.

    I'm not altogether inclined to blame all this on 'society'. Women have the freedom to fight back. They don't. They create their own problems. It would be the simplest thing in the world to collectively agitate. If they refused to purchase the magazines, if they refused to purchase the inappropriate clothes, if they insisted on growing old gracefully, 'society' would have no choice but to acquiesce.

    I'm desperately hoping as I get older – fifty now – that I am going to have the strength of character to do my own thing and stay true to myself. With little in the way of company I don't expect this will be easy.

    I do find it tragic, however, that the people who are really betraying those ideals I'd like to live by are not men, but women. Be brave!!! Fight!!! Don't be bullied!!!

  452. ina

    September 1, 2009 at 1:00 am

    I go to sauna and see beautiful, beautiful women bodies, in all shapes and sizes, at any age.
    I take a drawing class, and our models are people from all walks of life, male and female, black and white, curvy or slim, muscular or not… And I realize that there is so much to human body, its shapes, and shades, and movement are so fascinating, and I watch and admire… And in disbelief I ask myself how I could have ever bought into the "the slimmer-the better" belief (which I did in my teenage years)… such a one dimensional way of looking at body… and so stupid of me…or silly… as if I couldn't see with my own eyes, and my own mind.

    I care about health, and believe eating and taking care of ourselves should be a priority for everyone… but so should loving and admiring the beauty of our own body, of our vitality that we express through them, of that particular sense of happiness to be alive, and well-being, that gets stirred by moving, and sensing, and being, and existing.

  453. through the looking glass

    September 1, 2009 at 1:02 am

    I think this woman looks "real" in the photo, but she's also 6 ft tall and a size 12. Isn't the average size in America 5'4" and a size 12? I'm all for portraying real photos of men and women, but I'm not for condoning or perpetuating unheathly sizes (even if they are the "norm").

  454. caroLove

    September 1, 2009 at 1:24 am

    I received this magazine and honestly I had no idea it would stir things up. The picture is not even half a page takes up the upper middle column and is all the way in page 194.
    The average american woman is about a size 14.. I believe. But fashion is obsessed with thinness look at ali michael who got told her legs where too fat, and Katherine Heigl who got such bad critiques on her arm pit fat! wtf? It is really preposterous.

    xoxo anna

  455. Anonymous

    September 1, 2009 at 3:02 am

    This pic is so NATURAL that is lovely!!! It's real beauty. Only a few women are models, and this woman looks very sensual; the way she relaxed the hand, the wonderful smile, the hair… ABOLUTELY ALL IS GORGEOUS!!!
    Publicists may have a close look to the real sizes of the women and take care in the spots or in the ads.

  456. Mila

    September 1, 2009 at 3:06 am

    I think she looks stunning!

  457. Sylvie

    September 1, 2009 at 3:20 am

    wow! this is really encouraging!
    I am more than fed-up with retouched bodies and more interested in seeing that other people have similar problems than I do.
    Literally no body is perfect and thus, why should we not show the diversity and variety of authentic persons we have instead of continuing to creat a false image of mankind?

  458. Sartoriology

    September 1, 2009 at 3:52 am

    Has this woman had a baby? It looks like the aftermath of carrying a baby and as such i wonder had she not had the little tummy 'pouch' whether she would be a 'real' woman as she looks very slim elsewhere. It's very admirable for a hard-hitter like Glamour to challenge the modern day woman and although i'm not particularly up for larger sizes in fashion (i'm talking Beth Ditto size), i wonder whether it would have had more impact had they chosen a larger woman. Fantastic shot though, she's gorgeous.

  459. Bonnie

    September 1, 2009 at 4:23 am

    This picture made me jump, which is just crazy. Why should it? I've seen lots of "normal" women in my everyday life.

    She's beautiful and I love the picture. I really hope this is the beginning of something new.

  460. griz

    September 1, 2009 at 4:48 am

    there is something mysterious about the story of the female body, all the phases possible, this picture is another way of talking about it. Not the only one and maybe a bit too obvious, (a cover… and nudity as always…)but it sure creates a good controversy. thanks for giving me the chance to see it.

  461. ashleigh

    September 1, 2009 at 7:14 am

    continued- Call me biased but I want to see the unobtainable. I don't want to pay $5 for a magazine with men and women that I see on the streets everyday. We already know they are beautiful because they are everyday working people with lives. Will there every be an outcry for seeing regular men in underwear ads, doubtful. If you want to see a real women don' go to the fashion show. Its not supposed to be about the girl its about the clothes and when you start getting up there in size it seems to distort the artist original vision…

  462. Anonymous

    September 1, 2009 at 8:08 am

    Until the fashion industry is run by the average woman (size 12-14, 5'4" in their 40-50s), fashion will only reflect the stakeholders.

    Despite the glamourisation of diversity in its models, the real trend setters behind the scenes do not reflect our culture.

    And since people, as a whole, tend to find beauty in those that mimic their heritage, until Vogue is run by a plus-size woman, I don't think we will ever see the industry change.

    Let's see Sophia Loren and Raquel Welch protoges take the stage!

  463. K

    September 1, 2009 at 8:12 am

    A great example that even big girls can look fabulous & so so chic ; D

  464. bendigo

    September 1, 2009 at 8:21 am

    I like to dress up sometimes, but this photo celebrates the essence of just BEING.

    Not even the finest wool / silk suit can compare with the feeling of sand, sun, water or a gentle breeze on bare, naked skin.

    If we can be comfortable and confident living in ourselves, imagine how much better we'll wear our clothes!

  465. taiaja

    September 1, 2009 at 9:46 am

    Acceptance and love of the body (in whatever shape its in) is one thing, however…I am a big advocate of the healthy body image, and it doesn't appear to exist in the eyes of the fashion community nor customers.

    Fashion really comes down to the body and what we think of it…and from what it seems, I'm not thinking we think much.

  466. Anonymous

    September 1, 2009 at 10:43 am

    while i do think a lot of models are way too thin and sickly looking, i really think we live in a country of overly processed foods that have made us all bigger and now our standard of normal is skewed. In my parents country people eat more fresh foods, walk more, and most women are about a size 4 and look healthy! Unfortunately healthy food is a luxury here in the US. Will size 16 be the new "normal" in twenty years?

  467. Angela De Felice

    September 1, 2009 at 11:13 am

    After having worked in retail for the last 15 years in Los Angeles I have seen my share of celebrities in the fitting room. I've always know these women can't even live up to their own images, let alone us, thanks to the consistent use of photoshop & airbrushing… I think if the magazine offered pix of "the beautiful people" as they really are we'd all be much relieved!


  468. Jessica

    September 1, 2009 at 11:35 am

    It may have opened their eyes. Its a good thing too. I loved fashion as a child b/c it made me feel special and beautiful at a time when I felt awkward.

    That is what fashion should be for women, a form of celebrating yourself, not formulating more false inadequacies that keep you from being the best version of yourself.

  469. 5er

    September 1, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    I think it's all well and good that women are experiencing a breath of confidence from this photo but I also believe it could have an adverse effect: Allowing women to believe that it's ok to live a lifestyle that's not altogether healthy. What I mean by that is European women don't have nearly the body image issues that Americans do. And I think that can be attributed solely to the fact that European women have a unequivocally better diet and exercise regime, if it can even be called that (walking, bike riding for transportation). It's not the binge and purge of eating and hitting the gym or simply skipping the gym. Now, it's no secret that Americans eat like shit and considering the fact that that is the reason so many are fat, then, no, I don't think that this photo does a good thing and only allows women to feel better about continuing an unhealthy lifestyle. But if it truly makes those who are healthy and are simply larger to feel better about themselves in a world dominated by media propagating an impossible silhouette, then, yes, this is wonderful. Look at both sides.

  470. Michael

    September 1, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    I always thought that I did not have body issues. I realize now that it was because I was slim my entire life and now have extra flesh at 40 I am realizing that was not the case. this coming out is both long overdue and perfect timing (for me anyway)

    bravo to G.M.

  471. Anonymous

    September 1, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    Hi Sart,

    It seems to me that there are "normal" models (size zero) and "plus size" models (size 10+), but I never see anyone out there who looks like me.

    I'm a size 6 (sometimes 8). I am healthy, and I am very happy with the way I look (just as women who are skinny or curvy can be happy with the way they look).

    Sart, I adore you and your blog, but when I bought your book the other day (fabulous, by the way) and was paging through it, I became a little sad when almost every picture is of a tall woman with perfect thin legs. I know you say that larger and older women often refuse your offers to photograph them, but I know plenty of gorgeous, stylish women my size who would not turn you down.

  472. leslie

    September 1, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    i really appreciate you posting your perspective on this. i responded to your post myself today:

    i agree completely about the disconnect between fashion and "real" women. for me, real change doesn't mean putting a nude, plus-size model in a magazine (especially when it was a small photo in the back of the book). but starring her in a high fashion editorial, or finding more "average" women who would agree to appear on this blog – now that would make a difference.

  473. K

    September 1, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    I find it quite ludicrous that some people on here equate models above a certain size, unglamorous and dowdy…Yes this image is more of a "Dove" kinda editorial. Stating that the purpose of fashion is only to act as a fantasy, and thereby saying it´s "ok" to alienate a large stake of the actual readership, is also a tad naive. Magazines are there to sell clothes! But stating the women of different sizes are everyday like, and has no editorial value, is appalling. Check these ones out, and tell me last time you saw this girl "on every street corner". And this girl is in no way unhealthy!

  474. F.A.

    September 1, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    she's a young woman, there's no excuse for that flap on her stomach. all i see is a lazy who doesn't like to work out and i don't like that

  475. Anonymous

    September 1, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    I have to say I was wrong about you, Sartorialist. I thought you were just too snobby to photograph women who were older or larger than the usual featured models. It's too bad they don't want to be photographed, but I can completely understand why.

    Consider, if there are negative comments on any of your regular photographs it will usually involve the subject's clothing and the commenter may not like the cut, color, length, etc. of the garment the subject is wearing. God forbid a larger subject be featured here and the same commenters would be ripped to shreds about how "fat" and "unhealthy" the subject in the picture is. Not many would pay attention to the actual outfit regardless of how wonderful or fashionable it is.

    I have not read all the comments here but I've read about half and the "armchair doctors" that have written poor Lizzie off as being near death's door because of how "unhealthy" she is just disgusts me. How do they know her state of health? Do thin people live forever??? Do only the fat die? How do they explain Farrah Fawcett? There are many thin and "healthy LOOKING" people who die of heart disease and cancer. There are many people in my own family whom some of the commenters here would label as "fat", "obese", or "unhealthy" based on their looks alone but have lived into their late 90's! You can't diagnose a person's health by their looks, so please stop! Keep your bigoted opinions to yourself.

    But that's just one reason I'm sure larger subjects say no. I can only imagine how the picture would be ripped apart on other sites. I mean if they think Jessica Simpson is fat……

  476. Alida

    September 1, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    I have to say that we women talk a lot about seeing "real" women in magazines and the media, however I think that it is we women who are the most critical of ourselves.

    After giving birth to two kids in my late thirties I've stopped wearing a bikini. My body looks a lot like the woman in this picture. My husband says that and acts like I'm the sexiest most gorgeous woman he has ever set his eyes on. I think he's crazy.

    Maybe pictures like this would change our self perception, I don't know. I for one won't be donning on a bikini any time soon. Not a popular opinion, but a very honest one:)

  477. Anonymous

    September 1, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    yo!!!sart 471 comments plus mine.sugoi!!!

  478. Uaol Tsong

    September 1, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    BS trend to sell more big ass pants

  479. J & L

    September 1, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    As plus size lines are being cut by fashion apparel companies who hope to tighten their belts, I suspect the divide between the fashion industry and the average American female consumer will grow as the recession continues, rather than shrink.


  480. lefistnoir

    September 1, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    Suspicious. First the whole Italian Vogue "Black" special then now its The Turn of the Flab. I find it very frustrating that these types of discourse are treated so simplistically when they deal with very complex issues. I really don't think that there is an innocent party here. We are ALL to blame.

    I'll say something in support of fashion. Speaking technically, once you move away from the "ideal" you have to realize it becomes tricky to cut clothes. People aren't "fuller in figure" in the same way. Big on top, small at the bust, larger upper arms… there has to be a median.

    Secondly, fashion as we know it has never really been connected to reality. Name me one memorable moment in its history that isn't based on a fantasy or the hyper-real. was Twiggy the norm? Comme des Garcons in the 1980's? Mugler, Alaia, St Laurent? I thought so. Normal doesn't cut it does it?

    Finally, we all seem so obssessed with how we look. We deride celebrities for being overweight or too thin or too old or too muscular. Rush out to buy these magazines that often relay these mixed messages. Do these magazines influence us or are they only holding up the gilded mirror of self-doubt and self-obssession to our faces?

    People can also be – shock horror – naturally skinny! Where are they in this debate?

    This is too complex an issue to simply just throw stones.

  481. Anonymous

    September 1, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    There is a difference between being overweight and obese, and therefore certainly not healthy, and NOT being a size 0 (or smaller) and just a bag of bones.

  482. Anonymous

    September 1, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    Brava! The model looks beautiful, especially her laugh and her eyes. She seems geniunely happy, and that is as beautiful as it gets.

    I work in fashion and I'm so tired of stick figures. I don't believe the fashion industry will embrace real-sized models, but this is nice to see, nonetheless.

  483. Anonymous

    September 1, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    My sister is my biggest fashion inspiration. She can carry anything off with aplomb, and she's a long way from the waif figures we see on the catwalk. Sometimes looking at their skeletal frames makes me feel sick. They look so painfully ill…

    I've noticed a lot more adverts around recently who use women who have healthier body shapes. Seeing these women who are beautiful and yet have a fuller body shape makes me smile and gives me an extra strut to my stride. It reminds me that being beautiful is not just confined to the stick thin.

  484. alexantha

    September 1, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    if only most "average" women would look so "fat"! we certainly need to adjust our collective societal eye to see beauty in people who are not stick thin.

  485. Anonymous

    September 1, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    This reminds me of Manet's Dejeuner sur L'Herbe. The woman's imperfect body in that painting caused quite a stir as well.

  486. Megan Fitzpatrick

    September 1, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    I'd be more laudatory were it not for the niggling suspicion that the cover image of Jessica Simpson has been thinned with a touch of Photoshop. Put _this_ shot on the cover, and I might be impressed…just as soon as I recover from the shock.

  487. Anonymous

    September 1, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    I have to say that I find it insulting that being a regular girl I'm expected to be a bit heavy instead of trim and sexy which I am because I like to stay active.

    I also am a bit dismayed that people need to see bigger people in fashion magazines and adverts to be proud of themselves. Take a clue from other cultures around the world and love yourself more. Are we all idiots who can't think for themselves and go by what we see in the media?

    I've always found the general belief that regular people are too busy to take of themselves to be just a lazy attitude. I see mothers running on paved trails with their babies in specially designed strollers all the time during my daily runs. So all of you regular, lazy and flabby people can take your excuses, whining and rigid ideals on how people should look like and shove them where the sun doesn't shine.

    And yes, regular people do believe that there's a proper way to look. In the case of women- [sarcastic tone intended] a woman must have good size boobs other wise she isn't a woman. She must also be a bit heavy because if she is flat chested and skinny then other women will of course proclaim her to be anorexic [only insecure and disgusting women think that so let's not be one of them] and then be on their way feeling better about themselves at the expense of another woman.If your too muscly and it's evident you actually like to do more than sit on the couch watching tv then your aren't a woman either and instead are trying to become a man even though it's true a nice tight body looks better naked.

  488. fantogold

    September 1, 2009 at 11:37 pm

    she looks happy. that's really what matters.

  489. Blank Label

    September 2, 2009 at 12:02 am

    this shoot is beautiful. sure she's not skinny, and she's not perfect, but why does everyone need to be 'perfect'?
    she's beautiful. she's happy. that's what matters, and she expresses that which gives me more love for this campaign. it's genuine =)

  490. Ash

    September 2, 2009 at 1:52 am

    What I find funny is that in the same issue of Glamour, the cover girl, Jessica Simpson, is airbrushed to within an inch of her life on the front page and in the photos accompanying the story about her. A "behind the scenes" photo of Ms. Simpson on page 50, however, reveals her to be considerably more corpulent than the cover would lead you to believe. I think this demonstrates much more clearly the attitude of the media towards "real women's bodies". They're cool with a big girl (if you can really consider this model to be "big") hidden back on page 200-something, but you'd better believe that the same model would never make it onto the cover. Dissatisfaction with ourselves and with our bodies, pitted in a mythological battle between reality and some unattainable archetype of ideal beauty is too pervasive and too powerful to destroy: it's what fuels the North American economy. If we could simply embrace a plurality of beauty and the uniqueness of the individual we'd have no need for Louboutins, or hair spray, or diet suppliments. Let the advertising agencies pray that we never find that kind of happiness.

  491. Victoria

    September 2, 2009 at 2:22 am

    I think we have a copy of this mag in my store, I can mail it to ya if you want it ;)

  492. Norsk stil

    September 2, 2009 at 4:56 am

    She looks normal and nice! Keep taking pictures of stylish people off all ages and sizes, thats what we want!

  493. Anonymous

    September 2, 2009 at 5:07 am

    This model is definitly more beautiful than all those skinny girls.
    She has a great feminin body!
    There should be more regular size models on the catwalks and covers.

  494. irma la dulce

    September 2, 2009 at 5:20 am

    In my opinion one of the most beautiful women in the world of the famous people is Geraldine Chaplin. Because she's natural: no operations, big smile, she's so cute, so expressive… I don't se that in many women her age on the tv or the media in general…

  495. Anonymous

    September 2, 2009 at 7:19 am

    She is a beautiful woman who has a bit of a belly and is sitting in way that accentuates it. I weigh 115 pounds, had a 10-lb baby and look like my stomach is flat when I am standing, but not in that position. In any event, more power to her! As for the magazine's motives, does it really matter? Look at the discussion it generated.

  496. jessica

    September 2, 2009 at 7:50 am

    this is reality.
    it's okay.

  497. Artémis Psathas

    September 2, 2009 at 7:59 am

    Honestly now… real people, CAN be models… I just hope this evolves to being an everlasting trend….

  498. Ken's Lounge

    September 2, 2009 at 10:44 am

    She is beautiful. As a man I have to say how refreshing it is to see a "normal" sized woman posing in this manner. The tall, waifish girls featured in print ads and galloping down runways don't truly represent the average woman. In addition, the notion that skinny models represent the "ideal" figure is also damaging to many women who feel that they must somehow live up to that image.

    bravo, bellisima

  499. Anonymous

    September 2, 2009 at 11:00 am

    in some ways I understand the controvery this has stirred – America is SO puritanical that a nude woman always causes SOME stir – but one thing I wish people would discuss….why at the age of 28 does this woman have such a tummy??? – has she had a child recently?
    WHY do we embrace unfit people as empowering? WHY aren't we as a nation focusing on health?
    YES fashion loves too much thin but America is WAY too fat and I don't think we should get comfortable with that. EAT right and do some sit ups and "natural" bodies won't look so bad.

  500. UNordinaryChic

    September 2, 2009 at 11:58 am

    wouldn't it be the perfect idea if there was a site you could shop for clothes based on your body type, your curves, your style? And POOF there it all is layed out neatly in a closet for you to make outfits and purchase them? Then for those of us who aren't the heroin chic women of the world won't feel so uncomfortable trying on clothes that we aren't sure if they even make us look better in the first place.

    Yes. that would be the perfect world.sigh.

  501. Anonymous

    September 2, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    Thanks for posting this. I have followed your blog for years and had come to the point where I was going to stop. I had begun to wonder if you were leaving larger women out on purpose. Now I know and understand that they are leaving themselves out. I also understand why they would choose to do so.

    It's very sad. You are a brilliant photographer and regular / healthy /or large women would benefit by seeing themselves represented in through your images.

    Thanks for the inspiration. — JLS


  502. Sara

    September 2, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    Women who have had children, like Lizzi Miller, end up with that little bit of stomach pooch. It shows you've been using your body in a certain way, not that you're fat. I have quite a poochy flap myself, because I had twins. Nothing short of surgery is going to make it go away, but that's fine. I'm a person, not a display.

    Actual women can only look like models if they make it a full-time job, which it is for those in the fashion industry.

  503. nighamhc

    September 2, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    Is it not frankly worrying that a beautiful portrait like this, featuring a woman who appears above all things HEALTHY, should cause such a stir?

    Much as I love to study and re-study fashion editorials, the constant barrage of too-thin figures depicted there seems to have the following effects:

    a) it delineates very specific, angular, and narrow boundaries within which the ideal female shape should be contained

    b) it rejects any amount of fleshy volume in certain areas – tummy, thighs, chest(which for most of us, are key components of a healthy female body and which we would only lose if we were to become worryingly underweight).

    This image shocks us precisely because the woman's figure is so familiar to us – she could be us, our sisters, mothers, or friends – and YET that same shape is so SO rarely – if ever – broadcast or even acknowledged in contemporary fashion or film.

    I know that tall + slim is presented as the best formula for displaying a large range of clothing, but in real life I understand that that's how this woman would appear to us.

    What saddens me is seeing someone my own age or younger in a catwalk photo, whose visible ribcage and femurs distract me from looking at whatever item she is supposed to be advertising. Should health not take first priority?

  504. Anonymous

    September 2, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    I love this picture!

  505. Linda

    September 2, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    If you stopped me in the street to take my picture I'd scream YES! then do a cartwheel, and I don't know how to do cartwheels.
    Kudos to you for wanting to photograph everyone. I'll admit, I thought you only photographed the skinny skinny people.

  506. Ken's Lounge

    September 2, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    I agree that we Americans can be way too fat (just look at those gun toting chubbies protesting healthcare reform, BBQ, anyone?).But this attractive woman has spurred a bit of a debate.

    I think that the nature of the comments on this subject have been interesting.It would seem that we are still wrestling with the aesthetic of beauty and how it relates to our own personal idea of who we think WE are.

    Some of the women on this post have stated that they would not want to be photographed (with or without clothes) because they do not feel comfortable about their bodies. You can change that to insecurity about their own self esteem. And while we rush to empower women to be who they want to be, we do so with a wink and a nod, knowing that the larger questions are being thankfully ignored. For example, in the interest of being PC, we encourage one extreme over another. Witness the myth of the BBW. Its clearly a euphemism for overweight gals who are not encouraged to embrace healthy living .

    So agian, what is the balnaced view?

  507. Chris Jovan

    September 2, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    more people need to see this instead of killing themselves to try to look like something their not. REAL men Love REAL women….


  508. Francis

    September 2, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    She has a lovely face.

  509. Angie

    September 2, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    Boy, does this subject strike a cord!

    This model was interviewed on a prime time show last week, along withe editor of Glamour. She is a size 12. I would LOVE to look like her naked!

  510. deborahdemorais

    September 2, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    I think it´s amazing what this magazine did!!! Of course some people have to lose weight to be healthy,that´s ok BUT there is that other side that is trying to sell those runway bodies that most of people will never have! And that is unbelievable, i dont get it,really why sould people be like models?Why do we all have to look the same? We are expected to have gisele bundchen´s body, have implants, a small nose,angelina jolie´s mouth… i mean, this magazine is doing the right thing for the women out there who have to deal with their real bodies everday!!!Congratulations to this magazine!!! And for u of course!!!
    Kisses from Brasil,we love u here!

  511. Anonymous

    September 2, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    She's not normal sized, though. She's a tall, thin woman who has a bit of a saggy belly and hasn't been photoshopped into "perfection". Yeah, it's an improvement, but if we're supposed to pretend she isn't thin, we're still being fed the same old distorted body images.

  512. Anonymous

    September 3, 2009 at 1:23 am

    what somebody said before is right: the problem is, that size 8 is considered to be too fat in our society. I am between size 6 and 8. I eat healthy, I work out 3 times a week. Still every now and then people – well mostly men – are saying stupid things to me in the street. When you are a woman and you go out, everybody judges you – and tells. And of course it hurts.
    And there is no difference to these kind of blogs. Its often just mean and judgemental!
    It is not only the magazines that make us feel bad about our bodies. Its almost everybody around us. Many of my friends got an eating disorder, because their boyfriends told them they were to fat (at size 8), or their mothers told them, or people in school were making jokes in the swimming classes …

    But still I have to say: I don't have time to look like a supermodel – I got a job!

  513. Anonymous

    September 3, 2009 at 1:32 am

    As a naturally thin person, I often feel that while I may be the ideal body type according to fashion magazines, I do not appeal to the average man the way that a curvier woman does. So I think it's funny all this talk about embracing the curvier body. In my experience, I've been plenty teased for being too skinny and flat chested. I will say, however, that most designer clothes are made to fit my body type, which frustrates my larger-bodied friends. However, even the smallest sizes in Banana Republic and J. Crew are too big for me. On that note, as an Asian female, I find it fascinating that we are largely absent from fashion mags (and movies), yet to many men (especially whites) we are the exotic objects of their fantasies. All of which is to say that even thin women, who most perceive to be considered the ideal of beauty, can feel excluded.

  514. schmaela

    September 3, 2009 at 3:23 am

    It makes me sad that she is considered a "plus sized" model. If anything, she is an accurate representation of a normal healthy woman. I've had a baby. My belly looks exactly the same. Why is that "plus sized"? Because she hasn't gone under the knife? Because she doesn't weigh 97lbs?

    That model is beautiful. No doubt about it.

  515. Anonymous

    September 3, 2009 at 5:57 am

    hi the sartorialist! u are GREAT! and yes to the photo caption, i really hope that "fasyon" will emphasize fuller women, everybody yearn to look perfect but its also nice to embrace what we have and everytime i look at the mirror and see myself, i think of art. haha

  516. Anonymous

    September 3, 2009 at 10:28 am

    While I'm a devoted reader, and appreciate this post and your ambitions to photograph a diversity of women, I don't think you actually succeed in getting them on your site. What I wouldn't give to look through your pictures and occasionally see a woman who is a little chubby, or even one that is not unusually thin. Then I could visit here for style inspiration I could confidently emulate, rather than looking on from the sidelines.

  517. Jillian Frances

    September 3, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    I subscribe to Glamour. My immediate reaction to this photo was that the model was absolutely gorgeous. And then I thought, she's a little heavier than me, but I am so hard on myself so maybe I should lighten up a little!

  518. style inside

    September 3, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    oh, let's hope so! they just don't listen. maybe now they will.

  519. Anonymous

    September 3, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    It is interesting to hear one or more commenters say this woman is unhealthy. I am quite healthy, and weigh 8 and half stone, but when I lean forward like her I too have a little 'pouch', and I haven't had children! It's just the way my skin and fat is (I haven't suddenly lost weight either), and people shake their heads with disbelief when I mention I could be in better shape. I'd love to see more models in bikinis looking like this, I'd feel so much more confident when I go to the beach if they did! I love this photo, and another I recently saw in Scarlet magazine of a woman with a fold of skin under her arms – she looked so sexy. So-called fitness experts need to realise that healthy people come in all shapes and just because you don't have a flat stomach doesn't mean you're unhealthy or ugly.

    I would also like to see a wider range of shapes and ages in your photos, but if they won't be photographed, I suppose it can't be helped.

  520. Babs

    September 3, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    I see Picasso's inspiration in her figure. Artists saw the beauty, we should too.

  521. Ashleigh

    September 3, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    This picture looks like it is of two different bodies.

  522. Plus Sized and Phenomenal

    September 3, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    They are calling that woman fat, then I must be a damn WHALE in comparison. I get so tired of people having the balls to say how fat someone is through the internet, but not to their faces. It is said that the caveman is more civilized than the modern man, for the modern man can get away with insulting someone without receiving a club to the head.

    And you want to photograph big women? PLEASE bring yourself to Chicago and I will be MORE THAN HAPPY to pose for you. I'm a big girl with no qualms about my size.

  523. AnastasiaC

    September 4, 2009 at 2:05 am

    the first thing i noticed is her smooth skin, and her facial expression – she seems happy, carefree…the whole industry needs a shake up IMO…woman should be able to feel such comfort in their own skin – there is no such thing as 'perfect' … her stomach is resting on her thighs and she still has a smile on her face – bravo!!

  524. AnastasiaC

    September 4, 2009 at 2:07 am

    Sart – your comment about 'larger sized' woman say 'No' to your photo requests is a little hard to believe…ive been following your blog for years now and its always thin, long, lean, lank figure types….

  525. Frances

    September 4, 2009 at 6:42 am

    I don't think the older women need you – they already have

  526. KoShiatar

    September 4, 2009 at 6:58 am

    More, please. every time I see a skinny model I can't help thinking "But real women aren't like that".

  527. Rudy..

    September 4, 2009 at 7:36 am

    The economic crisis has made thousands of job losses, not only in the fashion community but also everywhere. They are finally getting to a point that what costumers want is good price, which has definitely been forcing them to extend sale periods and develop alternative lines.

  528. pve design

    September 4, 2009 at 8:02 am

    As an artist, why is it that when the economy tanks, the creativity becomes more real, more alive, rolls and all….I personally love it, she looks gorgeous and far more interesting than perfect.

  529. chitalnia

    September 4, 2009 at 9:57 am

    THANK YOU so much for this. Made me smile. Something new. Something different.

  530. KatMarie

    September 4, 2009 at 11:07 am

    Agreed! I'm so bored of British weeklies doing the whole name/height/weight/size. Genuinely don't care. All I want to know is are you interesting/do you have a sense of style?

    To be quite honest, some of the most beautiful women I know or have seen photos of are not skinny but do know how to carry themselves incredibly well.

    Whoever you are and whatever you do, own it.


  531. becca b

    September 4, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    I think if the picture had been on the cover, but nothing mentioned about her body would have made more of a statement because it would have then shown that it's not out of the ordinary to look like this. This is what someone who's had a baby looks like because this is what happens to their body. I love it, bodies are beautiful no matter what as long as the person is confident because bodies are beautiful if the person feels like they are.

  532. Nima

    September 4, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    First, I would like to point out that this is easily one of your most commented posts.

    Second, to those of you commenting that we should not celebrate laziness and the overweight, consider that the woman pictured is not overweight, in the medical sense of the term. Also, I don't think anybody is suggesting that we ought to glamorize obesity, simply embrace a more attainable, more healthy body image. I would say the vast swath of models fall into the clinically "underweight" category.

    Third, I agree that the reason that older women and heavier women probably turn down your request to be photographed is because they don't feel included under society's concept of "beautiful" or "stylish." And I think that considering your mission is to debunk the dominance of fashion magazines and take fashion back to where it's forged, the streets, you have a particular interest in documenting and celebrating the variety of shapes and sizes that women come in.

  533. G2

    September 4, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    You hit a nerve here, Sart! 530+ posts! Is it a record?

    Her fleshiness – the fleshiness of women – is beautiful to me.

    Before I saw the caption, I thought the picture was from the sixties, when people (men and women) tended to look softer, not so muscular…in fact, muscle-building was kind of an arcane hobby…now it seems like a social indicator (muscles)…

    I like photographs of women who look healthy-regular. It's sexier to me than the idealized or the professionally exercised physique.

    As a young girl at the YMCA, I loved the older Scandinavain women who hung out in the sauna – they stood proud and enjoyed their bodies – they'd had kids, they ate well, they got sun – their skin aged naturally – we all age – they took great pleasure in their bodies, the sauna, and the company of women.

    Being super-skinny sometimes seems ot me like a way of distancing one's self from female social identity. (Even though skinniness is held as a fashion ideal).

    The idealization of female skinniness seems some how Puritanical to me. There's something troubled about it, as if the senses must be starved, the body weakened, and the enjoyment of life smothered…yet I also admire a naturally skinny frame, someone who is just skinny through genetics….its the idealization of boniness that bugs me.

    anyway, this woman, this photo, rocks!

  534. michaeljosephowens

    September 4, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    In the words of Lisa Kudrow's character Valerie Cherish, "I don't need to see that." I'm sorry, but I appreciate that there are all kinds of sized people out there. We're all walking the streets together, sitting beside each other on subways, standing in front of and behind one another at the checkout stand. That's all the exposure to imperfection I need. I prefer my fashion magazines to showcase perfection in our imperfect world. And if we can't distinguish between fantasy in print and reality and need to have that reality published, that's just kind of silly. Go to Titian for voluptuousness. That kind of softness and luscious physical volume was in fashion then, and will very likely be fashionable again. But, today, fashion is something different.

  535. Anonymous

    September 4, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    If you come to Madrid call me,I am large size and I would love to be shoot for your blog!!

  536. Betty Blackbent

    September 4, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    Has no one here kvetching about her stomach "roll" seen a woman who's had a baby or two?
    Sure, some women snap right back (mainly due to genetics), but most of us, the stomach is NEVER the same.
    my husband is a personal trainer. He knows flab when he sees it, and "that's loose skin, not gut" is his professional opinion.
    As for "what most men prefer", the range is so wide it's just presumptuous to let your own tastes be prescriptive, not descriptive.

  537. Nicole

    September 4, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    What we don't realise, is that we CAN change this "ideal" figure of the woman which is presently, stick thin, no curves, up and down, BORING. Don't we realise is that everyone who is complaining and are desperate of liberation from this image is–what? all of us?? We can so easily change it back to the ideal 50's curvy woman if we just start showing off our curves. just because the media is so available to everyone and is shutting off our opinions, doesn't mean that we can voice our opinions through our own bodies. Viva la revolution! We need your help!
    Nicole, Australia, 15.

  538. Ame in DC

    September 4, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    Come to DC, Scott. You can photograph me anytime!! I am a little bigger than this woman. I get tons of positive feeback on my sense of style AND my "shape".

  539. Anonymous

    September 5, 2009 at 6:15 am

    OK. I will say what no one else will: I don't like it.
    I will also add that I am a plus sized woman and if you think you hear self-loathing here, I will spare you the armchair analysis and say you're absolutely right.

    I would LOVE to be able to buy great looking clothes for my plus-sized frame, but no, this photo is not what I want to see in a fashion mag. I buy fashion magazines in order to have a little bit of relatively inexpensive fantasy and inspiration in my life. This does not fit the bill.

    I'm working very hard at returning to a size that I find acceptable for me. (I'm 5'8", so anything in the single digits will do.) In the meantime, I don't need to buy a $5 magazine in order to look at what I can easily see at home. Or could, if I had mirrors big enough for anything other than putting on makeup.

    And no, I wouldn't let you take my picture, either.

    Thank you for letting me express what will certainly be an unpopular, or at the very least, a politically incorrect POV here. I appreciate having the chance to say what's on my mind.

  540. worldofcarmela

    September 5, 2009 at 9:53 am

    I think its wonderful! She looks amazing. I just wish they would shoot her, and other beautiful girls like her, withouth having to point out that she is "plus sized" or that they are doing it to make other women feel good. Cant they just shoot her because she's beautiful and its a gorgeous photo?

    I hope more magazines are encouraged to include more normal women, and that that the women you speak of Scott will let you shoot them. Yey! :)

    Love your blog, congratulations with the book!

  541. Ame in DC

    September 5, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Oh, Anonymous at 6:15, my heart aches for you. When you are whatever size that is, I hope you can maintain it, and I hope you are happy with yourself. My experience hass been that I had to accept ME, and it didn't have much to do with 6-8-(gasp)10!

  542. Anonymous

    September 6, 2009 at 11:17 am

    Sorry Scott, but I ache when I see this photograph… She is like me.
    She is exactly how I don't want to be.
    And God knows how I try everyday to eat less and exercise more…
    I'm saving to get abdominal surgery because nothing else will do.
    She is me and my nighhtmare.

  543. Isabelle

    September 6, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    I recently purchased your book on line and said to myself I thought I really should write to you regarding the fact that in your book, the people pictured are all extremely thin, when not skinny.

    I thought that all the years you spent working in the fashion industry must have conditioned your sense of beauty, unfortunately not in the best way, as for you skinny seemed to equal beautiful. I am really happy to read this post, which comforted me in the idea that you were much more open-minded than I thought.

    Anyway, I think it's a pity large-sized women are turning down your requests to shoot them. Would it be me, I would definitely say YES !! ;-) Too bad I live so far from NY.

  544. stefica

    September 6, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    Many readers of this blog think that there are no larger or older women posted. Pushing 50 myself, I definitely notice when women my age or older are posted (and they are!) and I am often inspired by their confidence. I challenge readers to look around and notice how few older women or heavier women actually have good style! It is a rare thing that I often marvel at, wondering whether they have given up or are just oblivious to appearances.

    There are many shapes and sizes in the world and to look good, people just need to make the most of their body type: exercise, eat well, and wear flattering clothing. I think the woman that has caused so much energetic discussion is flabby (arms, thighs, stomach) and therefore not attractive despite her pretty face.

    (I might faint if you ever asked to photograph me, but please do not take that as a "no.")

  545. Life with Kaishon

    September 6, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    I think she is just fine. And it makes me sad that larger women are made to feel so ashamed about themselves. It makes me sad. Deeply sad.

  546. SwtMsT

    September 7, 2009 at 12:39 am

    In response to 'Anonymous', a curvy woman is not comparable to a broken chair…Different bodies are not "broken" or "dusty", they're INTERESTING. Thin, thick, wispy boyish figures or beautiful hourglass frames…Since when is it a woman can only be fashionable when she is thin or someone else's definition of it? Fashion is the expression of your image!

  547. Gaelle

    September 7, 2009 at 9:38 am

    The (idea of this) pic is a scam. What drawn my attention first is her belly. It's like she just gave birth to a baby. And it seems she didn't. The fold underneath her belly is weird as if it has been drawn. The torso is impressively long compared to her thighs. That makes me say that at least the belly has been photoshopped (erasing too much belly, or adding a bit)
    Now, what's the difference with photoshopped skinny models?
    Second, she's got a hollow face. Her thin face doesn't reflect her XL body. Not every XL women or more is like that.
    How people can recognize themselves, seeing this women?
    I can't see why this model is closer to real life women than skinny models. It's just a buzz. Not a revolution!

  548. Anonymous

    September 7, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    i think its rather disapointing that any woman or young girl should need to have society dictate to her what is pretty. Perhaps the young woman in the photograph decided on her own what was pretty and we all can see that in her smile. She is sexy because she owns that body, no thin woman that is insecure in her own skin can even compete with her sexiness or happiness.

  549. christie

    September 7, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    As a woman who works in fashion who used to be slender, but has since grown to a size 12, I do appreciate you posting this- I always just assumed that you didn't take photos of plus-sized women. It's interesting and sad that it is the women themselves who prevent you from taking their photo.

  550. Anonymous

    September 7, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    You know what? That girls body and stomach look almost identical to mine. And I'm a size 8. Nowhere near anything anybody would call "fat" (except myself in a moment of insecurity.) Is she in the best physical shape of her life? No. But, if she's anything like me, she probably loves good food and good wine, and looks good in her clothes. And when we girls without perfectly ripped abdominal muscles sit down and lean over a bit, this is what our stomachs look like. It just is. Welcome to what real women look like, world!

  551. Anonymous

    September 8, 2009 at 2:00 am

    Beauty does lie in the eye of the beholder. I do believe there should be women of different sizes represented in the magazines as it would make it easier for the reader to identify with. However, a line has to be drawn with what is going to be represented in the magazines. Obesity is increasing in the United States, significantly higher when compared to Europe. I do disagree with the argument that since its easier with regular people to relate to more models should be plus sized, by that argument close to half the models should be obese as the obesity is supposed to be about 41% by 2015. I do believe models should be fit, but not runway skinny and people should aspire to have bodies like them.

  552. Anonymous

    September 8, 2009 at 10:25 am

    I regularly turn down requests from friends to take my pictures because they always take pictures of people looking sloppy or at weird angles. On the other hand, you manage to take pictures of people in their element. Why anyone would turn down your photos, I can't imagine.

    Every time I've run into you on the street, you've always had some reason you weren't taking photos that moment. I never asked you to take my picture, but you always come up with some excuse like you're worried that you're offending. Anyways, I always figured that it's because I'm a size 14 and all the girls you do are much smaller.

    I've read your blog for years now, and you only seem to publish one or two plus sized girls a year. Maybe you're doing more and I'm just pessimistic.

    Yes there is a growing contingent of plus sized fashionistas and we want to be noticed too.


  553. tammy gia

    September 8, 2009 at 10:49 am

    I loved that article! it's great to see women looking at themselves and saying I LOVE ME! so much that i will put myself naked on the cover of a magazine without the wonders of photoshop!

  554. a(muse)d by Fashion

    September 9, 2009 at 12:53 am

    Great photo, enlightening topic, striking beauty . . . love it

  555. DZ

    September 9, 2009 at 6:46 am

    So natural…

  556. bay in the burgh

    September 9, 2009 at 10:11 am

    Forgive me if this has already been said, Scott. I did not read all 553 comments. But, perhaps you can do a spread devoted entirely to the 40+ and the size 8+ demographic of women. Even larger or shorter men would be great, as older men seem to say yes to your photographing them with more frequency. And perhaps when you ask these people if you can take their photo, you can tell them that it is in celebration of their style. Not in mockery of their size/age/height.

    I am a self proclaimed fashionista. I love clothes, style, and bringing it all together. I am also a size 8/10. And use to be a size 20/22 (where I still went to great lengths to remain stylish, but man did the industry make it tough). The most interesting thing about fashion for me is how people dress their particular bodies. I make loads of mistakes, but have gotten the hang of what sorts of fabrics and cuts work well with me. And that seems to be a huge issue for women and men no matter their size. Simple decisions would make such a difference in appearances. But people do not seem to know what the better decisions are to make. Perhaps it is because they do not care. But also I wonder if it is because so few examples are out there in the public eye of people who are making the deliberate choices and spelling it out for others to try. Not in a hip, contemporary, high end way.

    Anyway, should a handsome married man ever come asking to take my photo on the streets of New York with a big ass SLR, I will probably say yes. Unless he is suspect. Then I will say no.

  557. Average 34 yr old white midwestern male

    September 9, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    I think she is beautiful.

  558. bee

    September 9, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    the comment about larger women refusing to be photographed really saddens me. it got me thinking about how complicated the relationship between size and style really is. of course, most clothes are designed with a skinny person in mind. for the most part, fashion itself centres on a lean silhouette. for that reason, as well as the self-loathing that the magazine industry, advertising, the fashion industry and mass media in general seem to conspire to create in normal sized women, it takes guts to be stylish when you are not model-sized. bigger women are expected to respectfully fade into the background, stick to basic black and not draw attention to themselves. they are made to feel as though they don't deserve any positive attention for the way they look. when you are made to feel like you don't have the right to style, it's unsurprising that bigger women should refuse to be photographed. being unashamedly stylish above a certain size practically feels like an act of defiance!

  559. the antipodean

    September 10, 2009 at 3:47 am

    I've just got to be comment no 557 because the very first thing I thought when I saw this womans stomach was 'She looks like me!'
    That is not something that happens every day to we mere mortals. The other thing I loved is the joy that is in her face. More power to her.

  560. Little Lovables

    September 10, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    I love it, just as I loved the anorexic model who pose for the contorversial shoot.

    It is interesting, that a healthy looking woman who on the street would appear quite trim, despite probably a little tummy from a pregnancy (like myself!) would cause such a stir.

    But this is what true women are.

    As far as the economic strain influencing the fashion industry, I don't know. During the depression, songs were very cheerful, a juxtoposition to enhance one's surroundings.

    I believe their main target market isn't going to feel as much spending strain as the middle and lower class are. This is why Vera and so many other designers now have low cost lines at chain stores. Using more durable and affordable lines and fabrics.

  561. Valérie

    September 10, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    Love that they put curvy woman in the magazine or on the cover


    September 10, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    Wow, that is so pure and honest, and so rare in a world like today's! Brilliant!

  563. Stephanie

    September 10, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    I am a somewhat larger (size 12-14), albeit healthy woman (it's due to medical conditions that I am this size, despite good diet and lots of exercise), and at times while looking at the Sartorialist I have wondered how come there aren't more photos of larger-sized women. I (wrongly) assumed that the Sartorialist thought there weren't many fashionable ones to be found. I'm sorry that the reason is that they do not care to be photographed. (I'd love some fashion tips!)

  564. Anonymous

    September 11, 2009 at 8:44 am

    It really shocked me. I never saw in a magazine a mummy tummy like mine. I had two caesareas and my body really changed but I think I am still beautiful, even more than before. Bravo!!!!!! we can also appear sexy and cool with our scars in the belly.

  565. M. Arce

    September 11, 2009 at 9:28 am

    (Fashionably) Late to the party but I feel compelled to comment. I'm going to have to find this magazine because I do want them to know I'm for it. Your body looks like mine and I've never seen anything like it in a magazine. It's like a huge relief to me.

    I always find it hysterical how designers are always saying the design for the modern woman and yet they pour their clothes onto these creatures that resemble hangers more than women.

    You see this best on Project Runway for instance when the contestants freak when they have to design for an ordinary body (be it pregnant, teen, middle aged woman, etc.).

    I guess the point is, if we saw more shots like this, we'd feel better about ourselves. And the fashion industry is NOT alone, the entertainment industry needs to follow suit as well. Hollywood is as delusional and it's not right anymore. I want my daughter growing up with ladies like this one, not Lindsey Lohan.

  566. Anonymous

    September 11, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    I think there is a growing awareness and the biggest piece of news about recognizing the female form in many sizes and shapes was the Dove self esteem campaign. So this is another attempt to recognize and take a look at the common "form". But I bet that an "average" looking woman would never be in the shot either.

    I'd be flattered to have someone ask me to be in a photo shoot. I just worry, "do they think I'm pretty or pretty ugly." You see 50 wrinkles don't feel flattering.

    Is there a disconnect with fashion community and the average woman? Well, I'm 5'2" 127 lbs and I certainly have a belly, so when I try the clothes on that I love on the hanger, I think who are they kidding! Clothes should be designed for shape not age!

  567. Ellen

    September 11, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    I feel a little bit on the fence about the 'plus size' debate. That model looks healthy and excellent and I'd like to see more women like her in magazines and media. The thin obessession is deadly – as a volunteer youth worker I have personally known too many girls who have spent time in the hopsital with eating disorders, fueled in great part, I am sure, by our media's depiction of beauty.

    On the other hand, I am concerned about a swing in the opposite direction. While the media depicts women as sitck figures, statistics increasingly show that a vast majority of American women are overweight, enough so that it is a danger to their health. We are, by and large, a culture of sedentary overeaters. I do not want to start seeing that depicted as the norm of beauty either. Being overweight is unhealthy and dangerous too.

    I'm glad to see photos like this one and I am all for seeing women of 'normal' sizes which are healthy sizes depicted in positive ways. I just am unsure about this idea that overweight and unhealthy women should "embrace the size they are." I am not speaking about those who are overweight for unavoidable or medical reasons. But otherwise, those of us who carry too much weight should embrace food restraint and exercise.

  568. Anonymous

    September 11, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    The reason why this works is because she's hot. No two ways about it. She's not fat. She's not old. She's real good looking. This is not about the "fat movement" or whatever the Today show is calling it. This is just plain beauty…no progress registers.

  569. sarah

    September 11, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    i think it is great that they are showcasing a women with this figure, and in a really flattering photo where she looks happy and sexy.

    i dont think it is right though for people to be saying this is BETTER than thin models. some women are naturally tall and thin and this is also beautiful. several of my friends are naturally very thin and try extremely hard to put on weight so it is very hurtful to them when people say being this way is disgusting or ugly.

    yes, we should embrace more body types as being beautiful but we should not say that one type is better than another, thats just as bad as saying a thinner woman is the only attractive woman.

    i also believe we have to be careful not to push the idea that big is beautiful, healthy is beautiful. in a world were obesity is becoming one of the number one killers we cannot afford to be justifying it.

    the woman pictured is obviously not obese or overweight in any way and looks great. but so do the thinner models too.

  570. nema.suneimi

    September 12, 2009 at 2:32 am

    I personally find the pose to be unflattering, but the eyes are quickly drawn to Lizzie's happy expression — no doubt she is beautiful.

    It upsets me that some people are convinced of Lizzie's lack of health or beauty based on the one pic. It reminds me of the Seinfeld episode with the nudist girlfriend: brushing her hair while nude = wonderful; trying to open a really stubborn jar while nude = horrifying. :p

    Glamour featured Lizzie in a previous shoot months before (also on body image) and she looks incredible. You can still distinguish the belly pooch and soft thighs, but the pose is much more flattering and her expression is, once again, radiant:

    I fully support showcasing models of all shapes, sizes, and ages. I just really hope the fashion world can steer away from those bland facial expressions! I find fashion much more appealing when models look like they're enjoying what they're wearing (or not wearing, as in Lizzie's case!).

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  572. Anonymous

    September 12, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    I received this issue of Glamour in the mail and was so inspired by this model. Seeing how beautiful she is with her smile and tummy reminded me to be grateful I have a husband that thinks my belly is delicious, however fashionable I am dressed.

  573. Anonymous

    September 12, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    It is quite offensive to see that some have said that models are essentially "hangers" and that is what they are there for. If the clothes on these "hangers" look different on our own bodies than clearly there needs to be a restructuring of the imagined female body.

  574. Goody

    September 13, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    when i first saw this picture i just smiled and a real woman who looks really happy…but i really didn't give it too much thought

    i guess its because i embrace my own body and i have more bulges than she does

    i blogged about how the side bar of the conversation about the picture is how no matter what size a woman is, it all comes down to self image and embracing what we have

    i think its a sad commentary on both sides that there are all of these body critics

    too big too thin too this too that

    when the only "too" that matters is that life is just too short for all of it.

    my wish for women is that they take a long look in the mirror and at each other and appreciate what they see.

  575. jacqui

    September 13, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    but there are no 'larger' women in your photos?
    I'm a size 10 uk, but cant get into skinny jeans and would prefer not to wear super short skirts. is there anything in store for me? nope, only tight and short… seems fashion isnt for anyone not already on these pages. so why would the magazines show them if the clothes to suit dont exist.

  576. The Marvelous Miss Malkavich

    September 13, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    Yes, she is a pretty girl but she doesn't look like a normal size to me. In fact, she looks unhealthy because she's obese. I'm sure that her BMI is higher than it should be.

    So now we ( as a culture) have gone from anorexic to obese which hardly seems like change to me. This is not a body type that I will never strive for and personally when I pick up a magazine this is not what I want to see as a consumer. I sincerely hope that this will not become an editorial trend.

  577. Anonymous

    September 15, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    Just to go against the grain a little bit.

    That woman hits the gym a couple times a week for a month or two and she has lost all that weight, easy.

    Maybe we don't need to eat that second donut.

  578. Duke De Silver (Senior)

    September 16, 2009 at 5:25 am

    She is stunning, I love all women there shape, humour and the quirks they have, why aren't I married yet :-(.

  579. piloupilou

    September 17, 2009 at 9:53 am

    Do we have an estimation of the figures so far? Were the sales good?

  580. Spider Pancakes

    September 20, 2009 at 1:35 am

    This issue is a complete joke.

    1. This woman, although 'real' is not in a healthy weight range. I agree that the ultra thin models are also in an unhealthy range, however this image of a woman's body should not be supported – as much as being stick thin should not be supported. Being overweight has significant impacts on your wellbeing.

    2. The only reason this image was printed is because the words "plus sized" were used. She is photogrpahed because of her weight, not regardless of it. This is an issue in itself, until she is photographed and her size and weight is not mentioned then no progress has been made.

  581. Anonymous

    September 20, 2009 at 2:38 am

    she's beautiful

  582. Anonymous

    September 21, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    So true. I am on the chubbier said, and if someone asked if they could take my picture I would probably say no too .

  583. Anonymous

    September 23, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    She is absolutely gorgeous, I love a confident real woman.

  584. Simone

    September 25, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    Ahh! This lady! Tears were brought to my eyes I was so overjoyed when I saw her. I'm only 19- you'd think I'd be okay with my body but I have had the most difficult time dealing with it lately. Trying on clothes sucks. I've felt like it's impossible to dress well and mimic the stuff I see in fashion blogs because it just looked better on the skinny people in photos than it did on me and my wide hips. Lizzie makes me feel normal and beautiful again!

  585. Anonymous

    September 27, 2009 at 6:16 am

    I think as much as I would love to say that bigger is beautiful, it is honestly harder to make a bigger woman look good.

    It's aggravating that people are jumping on board about the 'bigger sizes' issue because it's the latest band wagon.

    I can recognise that it's a tough issue. On the one hand, reality can be just as sexy as fantasy, on the other, obese (not refering to the woman in the picture) people shouldn't be taught to feel empowered because of their bigger size – it's not healthy!

    Empowered, sure, but empowered through being healthy.

  586. ladyfresh

    October 3, 2009 at 12:18 am

    I'm late to this piece and am grateful for it. I honestly thought you avoided plus size women. Well if you ever stop me i promise not to avoid.


  587. Anonymous

    October 12, 2009 at 8:20 am

    Uau, a tummy at the sartorialist! Never saw one around here before!

  588. Lis

    October 14, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    Thank you for posting that you have asked older women and large size women to shoot them, but they have turn you down. It is a shame for I would love to see their styles, but thank you for being willing to see how sense of style it is not only limited to thin women.

  589. Carrie

    October 19, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    they are just trying to sell magazines, they also do the other end of the spectrum with their 'glam cam' in which all of their don'ts are more or less overweight people:

    which, you can argue they do have bad taste, but why are most the posts of overweight people – people of all sizes have bad taste.

    with websites such as that or, for example, 'people of walmart' website, it is no mystery why a woman who is +100 lbs would be weary of getting her photo taken.

  590. Jules, London

    October 28, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    I've never really linked the use of 'larger' models to the economic crisis. That's interesting. This woman looks perfectly healthy and happy in her own skin. It's a pleasure to see someone 'normal' radiating personality rather than be witness to another smug and skinny snarl. Fashion and style are so much related to enjoyment. Size should be so less important.

  591. Jenny O

    December 16, 2009 at 11:02 am

    I know this is terribly late to the party but I was really intrigued to read that many overweight and older women refuse to be shot for the blog. I am a very occasional reader, tending to scroll through several months at once, and usually end up thankful for the entertainment and inspiration but firmly convinced that someone like me (i.e. a size 12, average height) could never be featured.

    While I'm happy to read that it is not only the modelesque who catch your eye, it's painful to know that larger/older women see themselves taken seriously as fashionable so rarely that their instinctive reaction is that they're being singled out to be mocked. And so they are portrayed less often, become less visible, and feel more like outcasts from fashion.

    Keep trying! Seeing photos of people on the street with the savoir faire to dress boldly is a wonderful inspiration; to see a larger woman thus would inspire tenfold.

  592. Anonymous

    January 26, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    I agree with many who have mentioned that our society, unfortunately, has done this to ourselves. We enabled the fashion industry to dictate the "ideal" body. We are the ones that have bought into the mold. I very much like the idea of what this photo represents and the discussion and awareness it brings, but to be honest, I have a hard time imagining the fashion industry changing the size of models on the runways. This "ideal" has been ingrained into our society and the fashion industry has thrived despite much protest. It's hard to change from something that works, especially when it works well.

    Thank you for posting this, Sartorialist! Here's to hoping my pessimism will be proven wrong.

    Love love the blog!

  593. k2butter

    February 27, 2010 at 10:38 am

    I've been reading Glamour since I was a teen in the 80's… I have seen this kind of thing come and go… I hope that it will stick around this time. I love to see more realistic women in the magazine. As a mother, I don't want my young daughter growing up with the unrealistic expectations that I grew up with… Fashion has always been a part of my life and will continue to be, regardless of the fact that I am NOT a size 2 or even a 10! I hope that my daughter (if she so chooses) embraces fashion regardless of size… btw, I am disappointed to read your comment that larger women turn down your request. It is the one thing that is missing from your blog…. I wouldn't turn it down, I think it is about time for the world to see that women of all sizes love fashion AND can pull it off!!!!

  594. Connor

    May 2, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Sweet Jesus she is beautiful. I hadn't heard about this before but I wish I had.

  595. Anonymous

    August 27, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    This is why I don't bother with fashion magazines altogether. I like fashion, but I get the scoop other ways, for instance through your blog. More harm than good done by those vain magazines.

  596. Anonymous

    March 13, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Pretty woman. I would have guessed that she was 30. She looks better than 80% of the women I see walking around, regardless of age.

    Yes, I think the economy has forced everyone to become a little (or in some cases, a lot more realistic).

  597. Graziella

    October 16, 2011 at 5:54 am

    What a crazy world we live in when a picture of a healthy natural body causes such a stir and yet we are constantly fed images of celebrities such as Madonna with their tampered faces and women are made to feel that this is normal , or even expected . I wonder what these so called liberated women Madonna et al think about the message their actions have on their daughters psyche.”Yes Darling, You are beautiful as you are, but I choose to pump my face with fillers” etc.Crazy World. I really enjoy your blog and hope you continue to feature regular people and not just fashionistas.

  598. Sheldon Bankemper

    December 20, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Awesome writing style!

  599. natachasteven

    February 14, 2012 at 4:45 am

    I love this outfit!

  600. fashion mode

    February 15, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Great look!

  601. Vesper

    July 2, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    I hope that one day all kinds of women can represent society in magazines. That would be so interesting to see. Not just the tall and skinny ones, NOR just the curvy ones. There are women that are tall and skinny AND women that are curvy. And women that are shorter, younger, older, from all kinds of cultures, with big or small breatst and/or bottoms. I would love to see the mix in the magazines, because the mix is in the world. And we all need clothing :)

  602. Lady

    November 28, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    I think it’s a great start to getting more realistic images of women out. Not everything has to be airbrushed to perfection in order for me to feel good about it. While I don’t like my flabby stomach, I certainly feel undermined that the only images I see show how great everyone else’s stomach looks. Pictures like this make me feel more like “ok, I’m not the only normal person who doesn’t have a perfect body.” I think this is a good thing.

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