Monday, March 28, 2011

On the Street….Angelika, Milan

I saw this young lady in Milan several times this past season. She is one of the crop of new bloggers. (Read her blog here.) I loved that she’s a bigger, curvier girl than most of the other bloggers who you see in the press and tend to represent the genre.

The subtle thing she achieves so successfully in these two looks is to complement the sturdy but beautiful shape of her legs with an equally strong shoe. A daintier shoe would be overpowered but these shoes create a beautiful harmony for the lower half of her body.

Tomorrow I’ll post an image of a different young lady I met in Paris with a similarly curvy body type but a different method of creating body harmony.

UPDATE
I love a post like this. It creates a real and important conversation.

A number of the commenters are upset by the word “curvy.” They feel I should have used the word “normal.” However, normal is relative. There is a young lady on my team who is 5’0″, and another who is 5’9″. Which would be “normal”?

Look at the man walking across the street in the first image, and the height of the umbrella in the second – and Angelika relative to each. This girl is taller than most, and has the bearing to match. Regarding the curves…just because you don’t see them does not mean they are not there. Is there a minimum degree of curviness to be considered “curvy”?

Remember, curvy is a body shape, not a weight. To be honest, you can’t really see in these photographs most of the curves – chest, stomach, hip – this woman has.

I get emails all the time from self-professed curvy girls who want to see representations of their size on the site. What sucks is that when I try to put a photograph up to talk about these issues, the post is hijacked over the political correctness of the words.

So help me understand; what is the modern way to speak about size? I’m not married to the word curvy. I’m just trying to describe her in the best way I know how. Let’s not hide from this issue; I don’t want to be afraid to talk about it on my blog. Help me describe this young lady without using the word “normal,” but in a way that addresses her body size and still references my point about the size of her legs relative to her shoes.

Last week I did a post of older women every day, and I was proud of that. I am proud to be a blog that is showing women of different sizes. I don’t want to lose the potential power of the post by being caught up in wordplay.

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  1. 2heels1flash

    March 28, 2011 at 9:22 am

    That body is SO nice! and out of system…

    i really apreciate this post because she looks AMAZING!

    ^-^

  2. Keena

    March 28, 2011 at 9:23 am

    what is her blog? i would love to check it out!

  3. indie.electronic.alternative.

    March 28, 2011 at 9:24 am

    how skinny are the girls out there!?! this girl's perfect. and she's got some killer style. please do post more pictures of body harmony!
    http://indieelectronicalternative.blogspot.com/

  4. BRENTPHOTO blog

    March 28, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Really nice!

  5. Greg

    March 28, 2011 at 9:27 am

    The Lita's are amazing, im getting them for my shop next month!

    yessiricanboogie-greggy.blogspot.com

  6. laolashi@gmail.com

    March 28, 2011 at 9:28 am

    I also have these curvy lower legs… you can photograph them in Spain!
    Nice post, thank you ;)

  7. Jaime Marie

    March 28, 2011 at 9:28 am

    big? If you say so. I know she is for Paris. But, I think she's perfect.

  8. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Hi,

    I love your blog so dont take this the wrong way but…..

    Seriously…big? curvy? sturdy?

    I would weep if I heard your assessment of 90% of normal women's bodies (or mine for that matter)….

    Svetlana xxx

  9. Ray

    March 28, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Thank you for posting such a beautiful girl with a real body. I love her casual chic look with punchy shoes!

    http://rayinthewindycity.blogspot.com

  10. The Photodiarist

    March 28, 2011 at 9:31 am

    She's gorgeous. Her purple shoes (Jeffrey Cambell??) are splendid. I must say, though, I am not sure what you mean when you say that she's curvier that other bloggers. Bloggers come in all sizes and shapes. So why separate her because of her "curviness" (which, btw, I don't really see).

  11. Autumn

    March 28, 2011 at 9:32 am

    I wouldn't call her curvy. She may be a bit more fit than other sylph-like bloggers you see; in my book, however, muscular does not equal "big."

  12. Retsy

    March 28, 2011 at 9:33 am

    I think this is the only (and gorgeous) way to wear Jeffrey Campbell's Lita shoes! Very nice girl.

  13. jackie

    March 28, 2011 at 9:36 am

    she must have those shoes in every color since it's the same shoe style- they're very nice and they do create a great harmony with her "curvy" body…however, if you think she's curvy- then what is someone like kim kardashian? this girl looks very small to me and looks like she could still be a model…she's beautiful and i would kill for legs like those… i'll take curvy legs over chicken legs any day!

  14. onesilentwinter

    March 28, 2011 at 9:36 am

    i understand what you are saying about bigger but somehow i wish there was a different word than "big or bigger" because to me she still looks small. i believe many fashion bloggers and people who stand out side of fashion show are models, a very small group of people yet of course a main subject herethat make them look like they are the average woman or the norm. I believe she could pull of a delicate show or any show- she has style- not size.

  15. Gorete Sousa

    March 28, 2011 at 9:37 am

    PERFECT pics!!!
    lovely
    xx

    http://www.ilovenystyle.blogspot.com

  16. ql

    March 28, 2011 at 9:38 am

    I really like that second look, especially those gorgeous shoes! I hope that tiny thing on the ground isn't a part of her camera…

  17. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Yes! She is beautiful and stylish, and I appreciate that she is "more normal" unlike *some* skinny bloggers, but she AIN'T "CURVY" she's normal probs a UK 10 like me….! Nevertheless, I'm happy to see a girl who isn't gross and sickly looking…

    for another amazing bod look at Karla's Closet..the cali blogger with a great boddyyy

  18. Brei

    March 28, 2011 at 9:39 am

    She's great but I guess I don't really relate to your comments. Yes, the other fashion bloggers I follow are usually 0's or 2's and I could never wear half the things they put on their body because at the size I am it would look like a clown playing dress up. So yes I do see that this girl is actually normal size but she isn't big by any means. But I don't really think you meant that statement in a bad way.

  19. calla

    March 28, 2011 at 9:39 am

    ummm…. curvy? okaaayy… this statement is hilarious to me.

    anyway, love the color of her litas!

    xx
    http://www.SHINYUPSIDEDOWNCROSSES.BLOGSPOT.com

  20. Jen

    March 28, 2011 at 9:40 am

    sturdy? yipes. she is normal. Please link to her blog!

  21. Penny

    March 28, 2011 at 9:40 am

    Why even mention her figure – surely it doesn't make a jot of difference to her ability to put together an eyecatching look?

  22. hannah mckewl

    March 28, 2011 at 9:43 am

    oh my… I know, she's what, a size 6?! "curvy" indeed… I suppose when you're in the fashion industry for a while this kinda thing starts looking bigger-than-average but, really, this girl is DAMN fine no matter how you want to label her, and I think we can all agree on that!

    what's her blog?

  23. fashionmagnolia

    March 28, 2011 at 9:43 am

    curvier girls all the way! very cute

  24. Erika

    March 28, 2011 at 9:44 am

    I'm about her size and … I've never thought of myself as "big." Maybe "curvy' I've got nothing at all against truly "big" girls, but I'm just not voluptuous enough to be counted among their ranks. And really, neither is this Angelika chick.

    But I can appreciate that you're used to (US) size 0 and 2 ladies, and that a (US) 4-6 looks "curvy" to you.

    Also, if I need to balance my "sturdy" legs out with some chunky heels… good suggestion.

  25. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 9:46 am

    She is hardly "big."

  26. Rebecca

    March 28, 2011 at 9:47 am

    I do appreciate your featuring a woman who is a centimeter or two larger in her measurements than the usual girls you photograph. But I'm a little horrified by the fact that you are referring to her as if she is plus size. I live in a major American city with many beautiful people, excellent shopping, and a distinct sense of style. She would be cconsidered thin if she walked down my street. Please do not insult your readers by pretending that in taking this photo, you are branching out in some way. It is ok to only take pictures of skinny girls; I don't come to your site for positive affirmation of my body type. If you want to represent different body types, then take done real risks. But don't call a thin girl "big" when she is not.

  27. Gemma

    March 28, 2011 at 9:47 am

    she looks amazing but as someone with a similar body shape can I say please stop with the 'sturdy'.

  28. hayley

    March 28, 2011 at 9:49 am

    I'll add my voice to the outpouring… this girl is big? Please. Not only does she look perfect, healthy, gorgeous, etc… she actually IS thin, too, and to call her anything but is silly.

  29. sara

    March 28, 2011 at 9:50 am

    yikes. the thought would have never crossed my mind that she is "bigger." lovely, yes.

  30. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Yikes, Scott. Love, love, love your blog, but not so sure about this post…with the bigger/curvier/sturdy language you're kiiiiinda sounding like you're using euphemisms for "fat." This girl is maybe a size six, and I kinda don't get why any comment needed to be made about her body at all…I love that you posted this, but when you post it alongside comments about her curviness, it comes across as you feeling the choice of subject needs justification, even if that's not the intent.

  31. SignoriaReale

    March 28, 2011 at 9:51 am

    When will a girl who is obvious attractive simply be 'attractive' and not 'attractive for a curvy girl'?

    Forget all the extra adjectives. Yes, she's pretty and yes, she understands the importance of proportions. (Only antique mahogany furnishings should be commented on for sturdiness).

  32. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 9:53 am

    She is not curvy – for me, your written entry just isn't describing what I'm seeing in your photographs.

    Rather I see a normal-sized girl with killer shoes.

    I worry that you call those legs sturdy!

  33. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 9:55 am

    I think you have been in the fashion industry too long if this girl is "curvy" or "sturdy." She has a lovely figure and a wonderful sense of style. I agree with the commenter above – why even mention her weight? If you include her to be "diverse" and then point out why she is so different to all the other women you feature here, what is the point? Finally, I have never seen you make similar comments about the men you feature here, some of whom might be considered "robust."

  34. Maryam Maquillage

    March 28, 2011 at 9:55 am

    she's beautiful but let's not misuse the word curvy… love the shoes and the poise

    http://fixyourfacemakeup.blogspot.com/

  35. La ropa...me vuelve loca!

    March 28, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Waowwww

    I love it!

    Besos desde ♥ La ropa me vuelve loca!

  36. Sandy

    March 28, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Beautiful!! I love how you observe with such deep insight. Looking forward to the next photo!

    <3
    Sandy
    http://www.myfairlady247.com

  37. GUILTLE$$ Beauty

    March 28, 2011 at 9:58 am

    I think she's perfect. and love her shoes!

    guiltlessbeauty.blogspot.com

  38. Yasamin

    March 28, 2011 at 9:59 am

    I love these photos. I do have to agree with most people here. I love the idea of "body harmony" and I can appreciate a desire to make commentary on her shape (within the fashion world). When I saw the first photo I thought! Wow! She looks more like me! And then the bottom photo, wow! But I wish there wasn't commentary on her shape, because actually to simply let there be photos of "different" shape would have made more of a statement. More of a celebration of difference, than a 'look how to accommodate leg muscle' post.

  39. S.

    March 28, 2011 at 10:02 am

    she is gorgeous!

  40. Lauren

    March 28, 2011 at 10:02 am

    She is beautiful, and I would hardly call a size 6 “big.” That’s just silly.

  41. j.

    March 28, 2011 at 10:02 am

  42. mariana costa veludo

    March 28, 2011 at 10:03 am

    i love the shoes :D

  43. Andrew

    March 28, 2011 at 10:03 am

    To everyone that is concerned about the assessment of this lady's body type, please pay attention to what was actually written:

    "She's a bigger, curvier girl than most of the other bloggers who you see in the the press."

    He did not say she is big or curvy, but biggER and curviER than other ladies in the industry. It's a comparative statement, not saying she's big. Apparently a lot of people in the fashion industry are tiny. It's not a rude or demeaning assessment in any way.

    Just saying…

  44. Pretty Things

    March 28, 2011 at 10:04 am

    i am in love with these photo's, love the second look

    http://blogoftheprettythings.blogspot.com/

    xxx

  45. Greta Miliani

    March 28, 2011 at 10:04 am

    love the fact she's curvy girl! I'm so bored of those hundreds fashion bloggers who look like the same: thin, without curves!
    She's wonderful and i like her style!

    In Moda Veritas

  46. Collections

    March 28, 2011 at 10:04 am

    yea I'd have to agree with the other comments. This girl is not curvy at all. Shes a perfect size. I can't believe curvy would even be associated with this body type.

    http://www.fashionablecollections.blogspot.com

  47. Nique

    March 28, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Wow. "Curvy." Really? She looks pretty long and lean to me. Is she curvy from a different angle? I really just don't see it from the two images you posted.

  48. caribbelle

    March 28, 2011 at 10:06 am

    A fellow Jeffrey Campbell girl…I love it! I've admired the purple ones but didn't have the guts to get em

  49. M

    March 28, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Hi!
    what is her blog?
    Xoxo
    M

  50. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:08 am

    I imagine this (absolutely beautiful) young woman's morning will go something like this: a friend will call her and say, "I have some good news and some bad news: the good news is, your picture is on The Sartorialist! The bad new is, he called your legs 'sturdy.'"

  51. The Iconic Blog

    March 28, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Love the second look with the camel blazer. SO chic.xx

    Melanie
    http://www.theiconicblog.com

  52. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:11 am

    This girl looks nothing but perfect to me. I especially like the second photo and the fact that she is standing there with her eyes closed. Very sensual.

    Could someone link her blog, please?

  53. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:11 am

    sturdy? are you kidding me?

    anyway, she is absolutely lovely.

  54. abataba

    March 28, 2011 at 10:12 am

    They're gorgeous!!

  55. mutantsupermodel

    March 28, 2011 at 10:16 am

    I am SO glad I'm not the only one who did a double-take on the curvy, bigger, and sturdy language. I actually scrolled back up to look again and am still not sure I know what you're talking about because that girl's body looks a LOT like mine and I drift between a size 2 and 4. You KIND of have a hint of a butt but I'm not sure what you're talking about. Her thighs? Maybe? You want curvy, you need to spend some more time in Miami.

  56. Erin Clare

    March 28, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Yes! I don't even care that you called a size 6 (if that?!) girl "sturdy but beautiful," (I appreciate that it was a comparative statement, and, having been working New York and Paris fashion week for years, I can attest that 90% of the women in that arena are the lithe, malnourished types; you'd call a size 4 ballerina "bigger" too…). What I love is that finally your "street style" isn't just models and fashion people who just walked out of a fashion show. If I wanted to see that I could just buy a fashion magazine. Beautiful people of all shapes and sizes are killer dressers, and it's great to see how they put together their looks. I'd love to see more of these! Short people! SERIOUSLY curvy people! Totally "average" lookin gals and guys with sick style.

  57. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:21 am

    She's very pretty! Love women with curves like hers. Beautifull shot

  58. Lara

    March 28, 2011 at 10:24 am

    I'm just going to say it and be done. You're an idiot.

  59. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:24 am

    "Sturdy but beautiful," "she's a bigger, curvier girl"… really? I think these comments need some editing, please.

  60. Kate

    March 28, 2011 at 10:24 am

    Love this, she represents normal women with curves who are turned away by model agencies just because they don't starve themselves!
    Beautiful shoes
    Would love to know the name of her blog.
    http://www.styleisalwaysfashionable.blogspot.com

  61. layersandswathes

    March 28, 2011 at 10:25 am

    My question is this: Why feel the need to comment on her body shape at all?

    I don't feel your blog is the right platform to be discussing women's bodies in any shape or form. Stick to the style details..

    http://www.layersandswathes.com

  62. Chaucee

    March 28, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Honestly, this is the kind of fashion inspiration that the world needs. Most of us look like this girl and not the skinny girls at the fashion shows. It's a lot easier to look chic when you have a super skinny body where clothes just hang "just so" but with a body that's more realistic for more people it means getting creative.

  63. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:27 am

    she is gorgeous. i don't think any comment needed to be made on her shape or size as she looks very normal to me.

  64. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:27 am

    "Curvy"??? How about healthy / normal / not-the-unhealthy-anorexic-ideal that is naturalized by the fashion industry?

  65. Cynthia Fox-Giddens

    March 28, 2011 at 10:28 am

    I especially like the top photo which shows off her curves in those jeans. It's so nice to see a woman with a shape and not so thin. The shoes in each photo are Rockin'!

  66. Laura Eire

    March 28, 2011 at 10:29 am

    She looks great and I love her shoes but I hope she doesn't read this post. She is neither big or sturdy. To me she looks pretty normal shape wise.I'm puzzled.

  67. dominika

    March 28, 2011 at 10:29 am

    that´s why I don´t wear heels like that (because of skinny legs). But she is a real beauty!

  68. Inspiration exists

    March 28, 2011 at 10:30 am

    You're right that Angelika succeeded in achieving a harmonious look by adding those gorgeous Litas. She has a presence and an attitude that matter above all.

  69. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:31 am

    I would not consider her 'big' either. but in all honesty..before i read the text, i did think to myself that this girl looks bigger than those i am used to seeing on this blog and others like it.

    but on another note. she looks beautiful, love the shots.

    i do love myself some booty.

  70. shooting star

    March 28, 2011 at 10:32 am

    the first thing that i noticed was her shoe…and then i glanced leg up!!!…
    she's definitely got the way to make people notice her legs and her shoes!!

  71. Sarah

    March 28, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Je me réjouis de découvrir ces manières d'appréhender les jambes un peu plus en forme ♥

  72. Naftali Stern @ The Bohmerian

    March 28, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Golly she is beautiful. Love both pics, and especially clever is her using that bright scarf to elongate her body.

    theBohmerian.com

  73. mary louise

    March 28, 2011 at 10:34 am

    both pairs of shoes are to die for.

    http://styleaccordingtome.blogspot.com

  74. fashion.gossipmk

    March 28, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Love her style, adore these shoes on the first pic!!
    Xoxo, K.

  75. rain-in-pockets

    March 28, 2011 at 10:39 am

    This girl looks amazing and she has a beautiful body! Sorry,but big is for Beth Ditto, sturdy is for Serena Williams, curvy is for Christine Hedricks ;)
    THIS girl is just young, charming and amazing!

  76. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:40 am

    i can't believe you would describe her as "bigger and curvier". She is beautiful but I would not describe her as big or curvy

  77. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:40 am

    I would hardly call this woman's legs "sturdy" – ee gads! She just doesn't have the stick legs of the professionally emaciated. For a non-model, she looks quite fit and I would even say slender to me. I love the blog, but I found this post alarming and kind of back-handed compliment. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way. Cheers.

  78. C

    March 28, 2011 at 10:41 am

    Wow. I am usually a huge fan of this blog but this has really stuck out. This girl is very slim and to suggest that she is otherwise, and feel that the images needed an accompanying comment, (that seem to be there to justify why you posted a picture of a curvy girl as opposed to the stick insects you usually feature), is just ridiculous. Without the comments these images would have blended into the aesthetic of the blog without further ado, but to feel that they needed an explanation makes it seem as if this is not a body size we should be familiar with or expect to look good. Which is silly as she is not big by any standards.

    She is pretty, she is stylish, she makes a good photo. Why comment at all? And why on her size? Why is she not simply attractive instead of attractive for a "curvy" girl (a description that isn't even applicable seeing as the use of 'curvy' here seems to be a euphemism for fat/ bigger).

    And sturdy legs?! only buildings and furniture should be described as sturdy.

  79. Jenny

    March 28, 2011 at 10:41 am

    She's got a beautiful profile.

  80. Meredith

    March 28, 2011 at 10:43 am

    I would agree with everyone else that I love her style but would not call her curvy. Strong? Yes. Muscular? Yes. But still a skinny lady? Yes. Also since when do bloggers, even style bloggers have to be skinny?

  81. Vanessa

    March 28, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Why exactly are we commenting on this woman's figure? I thought The Sartorialist was a place where I could look at clothes/people without being subjected to the constant body commentary that I normally find on style blogs.

    Your patronising comments on her style, calling her 'bigger', 'curvier' and back handed compliment on her dress sense just serve to further alienate readers who are not a sample size, which I would assume is the larger portion of your audience.

    If you had posted this devoid of your commentary I'd probably have been pleased you were posting a picture of someone who was slightly larger than usual, though nor particularly, and left it at that. The fact that you felt the need to praise her as though you were doing this woman some kind of favour smacks of an internalised body fascism that is, if I am being honest, always seen running through your posts.

    I'm disappointed in you Scott, and I'm disappointed at many of the commenters here who have praised you for this post.

  82. Charlotte

    March 28, 2011 at 10:43 am

    I don't understand why it was necessary to comment on her shape, why could the photo not have been published without mentioning her 'sturdy' shape….it is such a shame she has been highlighted as different.

  83. Moon Face Buddha

    March 28, 2011 at 10:44 am

    She is beautiful (such an over used word).

  84. Best of Beehive

    March 28, 2011 at 10:45 am

    I know what you mean when you say bigger and curvier (which is sad), but it's good to see a different body type get some love on here.

  85. adele

    March 28, 2011 at 10:45 am

    she's so COOL. i love her shoes! :)
    xx

    yougotsomestyle.blogspot.com

  86. Liz

    March 28, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Im sure that the use of terms to describe her weight and shape (sturdy, curvy etc) was considered before posting. However, it does seem to belie both a double standard as well as a sense of shifted reality.
    Would these terms have ever been applied to the posts about older women, or any of the men? Not that I recall. And rather than referring to your love for her as stemming from her uniqueness as a "bigger" girl is a scene of slavishly skinny bloggers, wouldnt it be more appropriate to promote her for her decision to be healthy and point out the skinny bloggers as the aberration? By using words that have (unfortunately) such a charged, and semi-judgmental association, despite lauding her savvy dressing, Im afraid this merely reinforces the standard of skinniness.

  87. Cherie City

    March 28, 2011 at 10:46 am

    She is still a slim girl, hardly worthy of the 'curvy' label.

    I understand this is meant as a celebration of all sizes, but why single her out for the size of her legs (still slim) when she has such great style.

  88. Cyclo2000

    March 28, 2011 at 10:48 am

    sorry to chime in with everyone else when it's basically the same comment but Jeez-o! That girl isnae BIG, CURVY,or any other euphemism for overweight. She must be a UK 8-10 (that's a US4-6).
    You've got a great eye for a snap pal but you need to adjust your judgement a tad!
    keep up the good work,
    http://cyclingweakly.blogspot.com/

  89. The Covetist

    March 28, 2011 at 10:48 am

    praise curvy women…..we are mucho in love, in equal parts, with each other…
    xoxo

  90. Alexa

    March 28, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Those shoes are popping up all over the 'net! I am rather taken by the blues ones…

    http://www.cashmereandcandy.com

  91. YYZ

    March 28, 2011 at 10:50 am

    So shocking (because I am an eternal optimist and always hope that you fashion folk are going to get it together on what constitutes "thin" and otherwise…) to hear you call this tall, SLIM girl "curvy" and then call her legs "sturdy." I am sad and disappointed that someone with as much power as you have feels it is okay to comment on this woman's body because it fails to fit in with the ideal of emaciation that remains dominant in fashion. This woman is beautiful. That is all that matters. Even if she WERE "sturdy" or "curvy" (a euphemism for chubby, if ever there was one), it would STILL be all that matters.

  92. Gaidig

    March 28, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Unless the shoes are doing a better job than I think, or the profile shots are somehow deceiving, she is definitely not a big girl, though perhaps she is more sturdy than the bird-boned models out there. She is quite beautiful. It is a sad commentary, really, about the size of the other fashion bloggers. Model sizes are something we're used too by now, but it's amazing that the bloggers are also mostly similarly sized. You might be interested to see the elegance and style that some of the truly larger sewing bloggers pull off.

  93. Rita

    March 28, 2011 at 10:51 am

    she is not big, not even curvy, but her legs look somewhat big in those tight jeans, which are just way to short in my opinion. That way her legs look short, even though she obviously got very beautiful legs and wears very high shoes(which I love). So I really do not like her jeans in the first picture and I don't see what you mean with "body harmony" there – I think it's the opposite. The rest of the look is great I think, I love that dark blazer and her scarf and the whole colour combination.
    In the second picture she mastered it very well and by looking at this shot I wouldn't even think of words like "big".

  94. comme fraiche

    March 28, 2011 at 10:51 am

    are the fashion photographers becoming more fashionable than their subjects??

  95. Natasha

    March 28, 2011 at 10:53 am

    this girl is "bigger" than other fashion bloggers who tend to be very slim, however i think the term "curvy" is thrown around too loosely at anyone who isn't a size 0-6. If you're an average female size that doesn't make you curvy, that just makes you average.

  96. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:53 am

    She looks gorgeous, however I'm not a fan of the Litas. I didn't find them that stylish to begin with, but what's worse is that they're everywhere!

  97. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:53 am

    This girl is STUNNING and has a killer body. If I was her, and I read this post, I would be mortified that you called me "bigger" and said my legs are "sturdy". I can't think of a more offensive thing to say about someones legs. The word sturdy should never come up in describing anyone at anytime. I am so disappointed in the description of this woman and this post.

  98. sophiestar

    March 28, 2011 at 10:53 am

    finally a woman with a normal female body!!!

  99. Elizabeth

    March 28, 2011 at 10:54 am

    I understand you want to show readers you appreciate more than stick-straight bodies, but it is beyond offensive that you would even bring attention to this woman's weight. "Bigger," "curvier" and "sturdy" are term use to nicely describe an overweight woman's body. She looks like she is in great shape, so why can't you just let the picture speak for itself? Yes, I realize she does not have a typical fashion industry body, but I don't appreciate her weight being the focus of your post.

  100. Hannah

    March 28, 2011 at 10:55 am

    oh scott, she looks so lovely! People are misinterpreting what you're saying! Youre not saying shes big, youre saying shes 'bigger' than the stereotype.. which is true, thank goodness, because shes perfect! I hope you feature more women like this instead of just sticking to the 'thin and beautiful'!
    It is nice to be able to relate to people 'on the street!' for once.

  101. LOST IN VOGUE

    March 28, 2011 at 10:56 am

    She looks great!

    http://www.lostinvogue.com

  102. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:58 am

    How can you call someone like her "curvy", or, worse, "sturdy"? Is there no sane people left in fashion blogging?

  103. Melinda.Robicheaux

    March 28, 2011 at 10:58 am

    I used to be "lady" photographer wearing heels…Respect for these ladies :)

  104. Bubbs...

    March 28, 2011 at 11:01 am

    These are beautiful photographs! But I do have to say that I agree with a lot of the comments above. I actually cringed a bit when I read your commentary on the photo. Although you may “love that she’s bigger and curvier” than most other bloggers…this compliment actually reinforces an unrealistic societal standard of how women and beauty should be evaluated. This blogger is clearly slim, so to attach words like “bigger” and “curvier” does women and body image a huge disservice. Perhaps if you actually loved this blogger’s individuality, you could comment on her expert street styling, rather than just commending her for balancing her “sturdy” legs with the HUGE platform JC boot. I’m a little nervous to hear the type of shoes you would recommend to a woman with a larger leg so as not to “overpower” them.

  105. MLN

    March 28, 2011 at 11:01 am

    I think "body harmony" is a very careful way of indicating that she is somehow making up for the fact that she isn't the norm for the fashion industry, and I think you use it in a way that is still harmful for the collective female body image.

    There is always this notion that, well, if you're going to be "curvy", which in this industry more or less means that you're above a size 2, you have to "rock it out" or "own it", as though the sheer fact that those hips are inseparable from your image isn't enough to make it OK or fashionable.

    This just reinforces a dichotomy and a hierarchy of defined types of people, with the skinniest being able to wear pretty much anything, the "curvy" having to wear solid shoes, and the overweight needing to wear spanx and boot cuts to keep things looking slim.

    I'm tired of seeing normal women, women with shape, continually described as "curvy". What does that serve?

  106. puthumile

    March 28, 2011 at 11:02 am

    Indeed why comment on her body at all! She is effing sexy is what she is! And stylish! Legs to DIE for! What is her blog? That's what we all wanna know!

  107. Cece

    March 28, 2011 at 11:03 am

    I usually don't comment on your posts( i just enjoy them)but i really don't see that she is "big" i also don't see why you would have to mention that… Maybe you don't understand because you are not a woman but that sort of comment on a woman's body can cause her to become self conscious… She's beautiful btw.

  108. Vicki

    March 28, 2011 at 11:04 am

    I don't really see the need to mention her figure. Mention how we can visit her blog, surely that's more important?

  109. Aline

    March 28, 2011 at 11:04 am

    I read an interview with you once where you mentioned that you are sad that bigger girls don't let you take their photo for the blog because they are afraid they are going to be mocked.
    Well, this is why. This girl is not bigger. She has somewhat muscular legs but not in an "almost plus-size model" fashion. Not even close. You called her sturdy, curvy and bigger – please be aware that for people who suffer from an eating disorder these can be triggering terms. You have to be very careful how you describe body shapes.
    Honestly, as people said here, you should have just not mentioned her body at all as it seems like you are apologizing for posting her pictures. But if you have to, you could have said that you love how her strong legs look in those shoes.

    And if you think there are no fashion bloggers who are bigger (and I mean, REALLY bigger, not very skinny with muscular legs) then you are out of the loop. Check out:
    http://www.youngfatandfabulous.com/
    http://saksinthecity.blogspot.com/
    http://fatshionable.com/

    These are actually CURVY girls with great style – the kind of girls you should feature sometimes if you really want to feature more curvy girls.

    Diversity is a beautiful thing.

  110. Luana

    March 28, 2011 at 11:05 am

    look in the second photo is perfect!

    http://lulu-ouicestmoi.blogspot.com/

  111. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:05 am

    I don't understand why it was necessary to comment on her shape, why could the photo not have been published without mentioning her 'sturdy' shape….it is such a shame she has been highlighted as different.

  112. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:06 am

    I don't understand why her shape had to be even commented upon? This girl is now being made an example of as 'sturdy', the photo should have been published without passing comment on her weight and shape. I hope you discussed this with her when you took the photo and that she doesn't see this and take it personally. I know I would be upset to see the words sturdy underneath a photo of my legs, this girl is lovely.

  113. jessica january

    March 28, 2011 at 11:06 am

    i'm head over heels for that deep/bright purple!

    january, x
    jessicajanuary.com

  114. SabinePsynopsis

    March 28, 2011 at 11:07 am

    I totally agree that she knows how to dress to look her best (and the photos are both beautiful), nonetheless I also wouldn't call her 'curvy' or 'sturdy' – I think she just looks normal-figured. But I guess when you've been around models for weeks a normal body can look big to the eyes. (It's the same effect when you look at the fashion shows pics on style.com and the last picture is the designer and you think 'oh dear, a NORMAL human being!')

  115. czytaj z ust

    March 28, 2011 at 11:11 am

    What a war in comments! :o
    I really like the 2nd photo.

  116. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:15 am

    I would agree more with calling her 'fit'… you can tell by her thighs and behind that she in fact does workout :)

    I disagree with the 'body balance' comment for the photo with the blue shoes, I think they are too chunky and do not go at all with the jeans, to me the look is clashing and not flattering (both due to the shape and size of the shoes with the ankles showing as well as the shoe+jean colors). If anything the shoes make her legs look chunkier than they actually are. A thinner and more elegant shoe would complement her legs a lot better.

  117. disco in moscow

    March 28, 2011 at 11:16 am

    she looks great, what is the adress of her blog?
    and, sorry, but is she curvy to you? she's just a normal-sized girl.

  118. Vision of a Dreamer

    March 28, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Loving her outfit in the second photo!
    Lita <3

    Great text!

    Kisses from
    http://www.visionofadreamer.blogspot.com

  119. Please read this SCOTT

    March 28, 2011 at 11:19 am

    A lot of your readers, including myself, are reacting to the way you use the word 'curvier'. This word is usually used a euphemism for 'bigger', 'full figured' or even 'fat'. In that sense of the word I see absolutely nothing "curvy" about this girl. She is slim but in a healthy way rather than in a size zero model way.
    But in the true sense of the word (curvy as in 'has curves' not necessarily meaning 'fat') then yes, I absolutely agree that she is surely curvier than all the runway models who have no curves whatsoever. She seems to be made up of some muscles rather than just skin and bones.
    Unfortunately you do not only use the word 'curvier', but also 'bigger' and 'sturdy'.

    While you do describe her as beautiful and you 'love that she's a bigger, curvier girl' those of us who are about the same size as Angelika suddenly see ourselves as 'big'. I have personally never been described as big or even curvy before. Now I suddenly feel self-concious about my size. I can only imagine what other women who actually are in fact "plus-size" must feel like after reading this. Like another reader commented: what on earth are girls like Beyonce and Kim Kardashian if this girl is to be considered curvy!? They must feel colossal compared to her.

    Scott, I'm sure that you meant this post in a nice way as you do seem like a lovely person. I just don't think you realise what kind of effect this could have on a young girls confidence.

  120. Lucia

    March 28, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Ok she might be a bit bigger that i.e Hanneli Mustaparta or some other fashion blogger, but this girl is not BIG! She is fit and small with muscular legs, and she loogs GREAT!
    You hd one BIGGER woman here on your blog years ago, a 30+ in a bright orange colored loose dress. That woman was maybe a size 14, ( 42 in Europe I think ) which is a normal size if you are around 5.8 ( 172 ) that we, europeans are :) Well maybe not the French woman, but up north anyway.
    Big is big, fat is someone like Beth Ditto, this girl is just perfect, small and fit. Not big at all.
    I personally think this young lady is among the most stylish and most beautiful woman you have ever shot. Thank you, but please do not call her big or sturdy.

  121. Le Chic Boutique

    March 28, 2011 at 11:20 am

    Thanks for this. She is beautiful. Especially the 2nd picture!

    No worries about her size. Your comments come from a background of hundreds of super-thin girls viewed on runways. So, she is curvi-er. Anyway, I think your comments about her shoes warrant the mention of size/shape of legs. Thin legs don't balance those sturdy platforms… ;p

    http://le-chic-boutique.blogspot.com

  122. *kayla*

    March 28, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Since when do calf muscles make a woman curvy?

  123. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:21 am

    I have never commented before, though I love to see the images you post.
    But – seriously? You think she's curvy? I'm not even sure what I'm trying to say, but I'm really saddened by what you wrote, and your view of her (and other women). Maybe that's how she is perceived in the fashion world, but that world is totally skewed.

  124. Chelin

    March 28, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Wow, what a beautiful young woman. We think she (and her body) is perfect the way she (and it) is!

    P.S. Check out our Streetstyle-Blog: http://www.spotfolks.blogspot.com

  125. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Awesome pic! Love it.
    But agree give us her blog! That's all!!!

  126. sunnie lim.

    March 28, 2011 at 11:30 am

    what's the name of her blog?? i would love to follow herrrr!

  127. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:31 am

    The point Scott is trying to make, I think, is that the shoes look amazing on her, thanks to the stronger shape of her legs. This is a useful tip for most of us, I think.
    So, to make his point (about her great fashion-sense), it was 'necessary to comment on her shape', right?

  128. chelsea

    March 28, 2011 at 11:32 am

    This girl is not "curvy" or "bigger". She's normal. You should really take back those comments. While you usually do feature very skinny girls, they are not the norm. By labeling a normal woman's body as "bigger" you are sending a very harmful message to young girls and to women. You claim that The Sartorialist is a place for real fashion that people can relate to. You just put yourself in the category of out of touch fashion magazines.

  129. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:33 am

    its good to see ordinary looking girls populating the fashion blogging scene. it would take this young lady, together with other less than perfect face/and/or/body -exemplars, the likes of the Garance Dore/Man Repeller/some of the recent MANGO comp bloggers etc, far more courage to display their fashion choices.

  130. Girl with sturdy legs

    March 28, 2011 at 11:35 am

    I don't mind your use of the word "bigger" (since you are comparing her to smaller women), but perhaps if you said, "sturdy and beautiful" rather than "sturdy but beautiful" it would put less of a value judgment on having "sturdy" legs.

    It might help make your "bigger bodies are also beautiful" opinion a bit more believable.

  131. Hannah B.

    March 28, 2011 at 11:35 am

    I love the pictures, but if she is considered to be a "bigger, curvier girl" I think that we have bigger issues here than her choice of shoes.

    While I understand what you are trying to say, I think that by classifying her as "bigger" and "curvier," you are only perpetuating unrealistic and distorted body-type categories– use your influence to shape new ones! Please!

  132. A.

    March 28, 2011 at 11:35 am

    I'm in love of her style!! The shoes are amazing..Jeffrey Campbell! I want to know what's the name of her blog!
    http://smallfashiondoses.blogspot.com/

  133. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:36 am

    And by "bigger, curvier" you certainly meant "perfect," correct? ;) She's beautiful. I also love how she knows her silhouette!

  134. AliceG

    March 28, 2011 at 11:36 am

    I do not thik she`s curvy she`s slim but not skinny. Does anyone know the link for her blog? I`d appreciate that if you could write it. xoxo

    http://thestrawberrymousse.blogspot.com/

  135. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:38 am

    After reading the post it is hard to concentrate on the actual ensemble instead of her body. Somehow the "the body's gorgeous/perfect/sexy" etc. -comments feel as disturbing as describing her as "big", which she in the street-relative sense is not. But then again fashion must have a different kind of relativity.

  136. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:43 am

  137. Sam

    March 28, 2011 at 11:43 am

    I'm a long time loyal reader of this site and I love it, but I"m afraid to say I agree with many commenters on this post. I find the words chosen to describe this obviously fit and slim woman inaccurate, rude and offensive. You wield enormous influence in the fashion world and on women's perception of what is or is not the norm. Please, choose your words when describing people's shapes and sizes as carefully as you choose your subjects.

  138. nail lig

    March 28, 2011 at 11:43 am

    like the rest, i am glad to see that I am not the only one who cocked an eyebrow at the words bigger, curvier, and sturdy and are alarmed by the implied shift in perspective. perhaps we are comparing ourselves to her (realizing that if she is a totally different body type, then we must be huge! does this mean we can't wear dainty shoes?) but honestly looking at the 2nd photogrpah I would have considered her to be pretty close to model sized anyway.

    what also worries me is that when i saw the 1st photo i immediately noticed that she was a bit "bigger" than your usual subjects… i love that you incorporate older people with great style, and i wish you would capture a wider range of body types, which is what i would expect for street fashion, even high fashion street fashion.

  139. red

    March 28, 2011 at 11:44 am

    if this is the standard for "bigger" "sturdy" or "curvy" i can't help but think of all of the beautiful, stylish, wonderful women i know who are MUCH bigger (in terms of height, fat, width, what have you) and how you are basically erasing them by saddling this really rather small woman as the face of "curvy girls" here. i know you've said in the past that fatter women ("plus size" if you prefer strange euphemisms) sometimes question your motives or decline to be photographed and that is ONE reason you've given that there are so few examples of larger women on your blog. however, if this is how you comment on a rather thin women, can you blame them? i can think of dozens of "curvy" women who would LOVE to be photographed for a street style blog, and who have some of the most eclectic, elegant, and generally awesome style.

    just some things to think about.
    1) this woman isn't "curvy"
    2) it would be great if you WOULD represent some TRULY "curvy" women here, because we/they have great style, too! (and it's a shame that when fatter women ARE represented on style blogs, 99% of the time it's specifically FOR chubby women)
    3) enough with the body policing.

  140. Emily

    March 28, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Gorgeous. And yes, please post her blog!

  141. Angie Muresan

    March 28, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Real women with real bodies who have an amazing sense of style is what I want to see more of. Please post more of these. And please link to her blog.

  142. BingBingMa

    March 28, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Sorry to say this but OMG Shoes! I wish they had that rich super purple/blue for men, in like a suede desert boot or something.

    http://www.drawnhungry.com (my blog where I design sculptures and bend them out of wire)

  143. solasoletta

    March 28, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Love it! And I've got sturdy legs too, so now I'm going to see if I can find myself a pair of big chunky booties like hers. Fabulous.

  144. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Fist time ever for me to write to any blog.
    Thanks so much to give some space in fashion to curvs.

  145. DY

    March 28, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Shape. Dig it.

  146. Claire

    March 28, 2011 at 11:54 am

    This is just the kind of commentary women do not need, Scott. Words like 'curvy' and 'sturdy' are anything but complimentary. She is a beautiful woman and the idea that you find it necessary to qualify that fact with such a description is wrong and offensive.

    A woman's looks should not need justifying, whether the way she dresses is "creating body harmony" (what bullshit) or not. And if you're going to take the route of critiquing body shape, where is your commentary on the bodies of those women who do "represent the genre"??

  147. Alexia @ Dimple Snatcher

    March 28, 2011 at 11:56 am

    Adore her! People, let's be serious: the media is saturated with images of super thin woman. I'm sure that's what Mr. Sartorialist means.

  148. Chaquito's mode

    March 28, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    love the shoes! and please post her blog… xx from ARGENTINA

  149. ladyfresh

    March 28, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Hello,
    I appreciate the effort…though i see you are getting enough flack. Keep shooting and making an effort towards an varied body type. There are alot more sir and i look forward to tomorrow's post

    ~Sincerely
    Curvy

  150. Elodie

    March 28, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    I feel thoroughly surprised that this girl has been said to be 'bigger, curvier'. Excuse me? Are we looking at the same photo? What a shame that the fashion pack's eyes have lost they ability to look at the things properly…

  151. Helene

    March 28, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    by "big," you mean "an inch larger than the size 0s you see at fashion week"? she's a blogger, not a model, she's a normal-looking person. please don't call her "big" or "curvy" (she's not curvy at all, anyway). this comment made me sad.

  152. jessicallb

    March 28, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    I love to look at the pictures on this site for inspiration, but have always felt a little sad that your subjects never really represent "real" women. Now there is finally an example of a women even bordering on "average" and she is sturdy and bigger? For the record, I think using average to describe her is sad, she is gorgeous, one of the prettiest women I have seen you take a photo of. Its interesting that you have never felt the need to comment on the body harmony of any of the smaller sized women you normally shoot, and for that matter it never comes up with men of any size. But for a woman to have anything less than rail thin and emaciated legs warrants a discussion on how to "deal" with such an appalling issue?? (please read my sarcasm here). I am pretty appalled to be honest. I have always enjoyed your blog even though I never felt truly represented, but this certainly takes away some of the luster.

  153. Kate

    March 28, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Hmm, it seems that a lot of readers are very sensitive about certain words used to describe the female body. I think "bigger", "curvier" and "sturdy" are all appropriate words to use in this context.

    She is bigger than the norm of teeny-tiny skinnies that usually appear in fashion blogs.

    Also, I think it is nice to think about legs as being "sturdy"–they hold up the entire body don't they? I think one can be described using these words and still be incredibly feminine and sexy :)

  154. Zoe

    March 28, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    I find it sad that this woman is not only bigger and curvier than most women you see in the fashion world — she's also probably the biggest and curviest woman who will ever be featured on this blog. I know there aren't many plus-size women who are making it as models, but there are plenty out on the street — why don't you ever photograph them?

    I agree that this beautiful woman has a slightly different body than most women you photograph, and that's a good thing. But she's still on the skinny side of average, you understand. I would love to see you branch out more and photograph some people who actually are average-size or larger.

    Also — working all day in those heels? Ouch.

  155. Lola

    March 28, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    "bigger, curvier" ??? WOW…your view of "normal" must be incredibly skewed.

  156. Jane

    March 28, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Hello, What is her blog?

  157. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Come on people! Lighten up a bit!

    Scott is sharing his delight about this woman's harmonious body. So what if he uses the word "curvy" or "sturdy"? Since when is "curvy" a derogatory term? Curves are SHAPES, they don't have anything to do with weight. Women can be fit and curvy.

    On top of this, he is using comparatives, "bigger, curvier", so what is there to be so fussy about?

    Legs like these do, in fact, stand out. They ARE sturdy and gorgeous. They ARE a signature and part of her style, and Scott has every right to comment on how she capitalizes on them.

    He is not reinforcing any messed up societal crap, he's using descriptive vocabulary that should not be perceived as negative in the first place. What woman would like it better if her legs were defined as "muscular" (gosh!) rather than "curvy", which is simply more feminine.

    Women who are clearly underweight appear on this blog occasionally and their weight goes unmentioned. THAT, to me, reinforces the notion that the "I starve myself" body is ok. And then again, it is not Scott's mandate to point out what could be the sign of an unhealthy lifestyle in a woman's body. He celebrates beauty and style. Which he just did. So yeah, nice post :)

  158. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 12:11 pm

  159. Cecille

    March 28, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    she's beautiful! love the second picture!!

  160. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Scott, no! If you never made mention of her 'curviness' I wouldn't have categorized her as 'curvy' in the least. I'm sure that you meant no harm, but she's thin! Sure, you can't see her femur through her jeans like many of her 'fashion peers', but WHO WANTS THAT? If you ask me, she's one of the sexiest girls in the industry. And this is coming from a girl who IS a size 0. Maybe a better word for 'curvy' would be womanly? The word 'curvy' is so overly used as a 'nice' way to describe people who are overweight (which is another issue in itself) that I think it has to be used with great caution. There's already so much pressure on women to reach barely attainable beauty standards and sadly, this is a huge step backward.

  161. collagevintage

    March 28, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Woooow these hells are perfects!
    xx
    S

    http://www.collagevintage.com

  162. H. Houdini

    March 28, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    SHOES!

  163. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    actually the jeans make her legs look shorter and chubbier than they really are and the shoes and the space between the shoes and her jeans reinforce this effect from a styling mishap.

    apart from that, she is very lovely, very elegant.

  164. Joelle

    March 28, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Your blog really does skimp on picture of not just "bigger" girls, but normal-sized girls in general. I'd like to see more of a balance… thinness isn't a basic accessory.

  165. HUMANITYISBEAUTIFUL

    March 28, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    aaaahhh, controversy over proper language to describe body type…well, let's all agree that she is beautiful and has a great body :)))

  166. B

    March 28, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    starting to feel that this shape was fading away, its so wonderful to see that its still admired.
    http://www.roma-ny.blogspot.com

  167. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    how is this girl curvy?

  168. toni ann

    March 28, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    "Bigger?" Seriously? Find a new word because "bigger" hardly describes this beautiful creature.

  169. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Big? Curvy? Haha I think you've been in the fashion world too long. Like everyone said, her body is amazing and I wish more models looked like her.

  170. paristempslibre

    March 28, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    what is her blog?
    xo

  171. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Scott

    I know as a blogger you are careful to omit from comments anything that may be hurtful or derogatory about your subjects.
    However, you seem to have forgotten that etiquette on this post. By no means is this lady "big." And if she were there are other ways to write about the style.
    I wonder what people think about your figure and don't write about in their blogs.

  172. Ruhvana and Flanelli

    March 28, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    I think she has normal legs. Someone has been looking models for too long.

    Ruhvana

  173. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Yes, it's the conjunction problem among others. "The sturdy but beautiful shape of her legs." Why but and not and. Words are not innocent. Scott is in the business – he knows what these words mean.

    Go to her blog — she's very thin just not severely underweight.

  174. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    I bought a pair of platforms in London (back in 1972!). My god, I loved them. Looking back, they were hideous. I didn't wear them, they wore ME. Which is how I feel about the shoes this beautiful girl is wearing.

  175. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    if a duck is a duck, you call it a duck. scott did not write anything offensive here.

  176. Char

    March 28, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    healthy, strong, in shape woman described as "bigger"…better just to say nothing.

  177. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    i am a woman with a very similar body type, if not more curvy, and find it hard it exhausting how badly everyone is taking your comments. i don't see what you said as offensive, if anything i think the fact that you said you loved it is being overlooked. it must be hard to comment on a woman's body type at all with all of us feeling constant personal evaluation.

  178. victoria

    March 28, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Great post! This is what I love about your blog, Scott – we can all learn so much about harmonizing and optimizing our own style and body shapes by setting aside judgement and simply observing. Great post.

  179. Rosemary

    March 28, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    great pic(s). could have left off these comments re her body.

  180. Sootjeelina

    March 28, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    What's her blog? These outfits are gorgeous, I wanna see more!

    xoxo Sootjeelina <3

  181. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    "a daintier shoe would be overpowered (by her sturdy legs)"
    seriously! OH MY GOD!!?!

  182. Kimberley

    March 28, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    She has kick-ass strong legs – looks like she might be a runner. Whatever you want to call her body type – she's stunning.

  183. aceden28

    March 28, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    "bigger? curvier? sturdy legs?" you must be kidding! She does have an amazing body, but it is by no means sturdy. She's what, a size 4, maybe 6 at the most? This is why girls fill their bodies with chemicals instead of healthy food b/c normal skinny is the new "sturdy." Not OK…

  184. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    Again, as stated many, many times above, this photo would probably have more weight if the woman in question's size WASN'T commented on. By even drawing attention to the fact that she is larger than the underweight average it undermines the message perhaps originally intended – that this 'look' is a positive alternative to the fashion norm.

    I appreciate it was also to make the point that she carries off the chunky platforms better with legs like hers rather than skinny ones, but 'shapely' or 'toned' would've probably been more tactful in order not to incur the wrath of your numerous female followers. However, one can appreciate that some care was taken to choose words carefully regarding this, it must be difficult to make such a point without causing some sort of offence.

    Even so, just attempting to show that a slightly more shapely body type can actually be an advantage in some sartorial choices should be applauded. A lovely photo with some very cool shoes.

  185. Catherine

    March 28, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    She hasn't got an extra ounce on her, that's curvy?? She's completely gorgeous, but I disagree with the assessment that she represents the "curvy" woman population.

  186. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    do we also make kind exceptions for extraordinarily short men? as in, "normally we wouldn't see this body type as admirable or attractive, but because he's put on a nice scarf and had a shave … ok … i mean, i *guess* … (but really how sad for him!)"

    puhleeeeeze.

  187. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Plus, anyone with a jawline like that could never be 'sturdy'. Jealous of those cheekbones…

  188. Danielle

    March 28, 2011 at 12:41 pm

  189. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Sorry but I agree with alot of the comments. Calling her legs "sturdy" is a put down. You could have used a better word such as "fit". I'm a little disappointed in you. I understand that she is bigger than the fashion norm but the way you described her was offensive and not really complimentary. I agree that you should just have put her photos without mention of her shape since it's not that unusual.

  190. judy

    March 28, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    regardless of her size, i find it unnecessary for you to comment on it. i have never seen you address how some tiny little waif did a kick-ass job of camouflaging her protruding clavicles, and rightly so! ALL body types are acceptable. Of late we have seen the waif body type maligned in the media, and skewed definitions of the euphemistic "curvy" body. the fact is, they all exist and we should not embrace one over the other as more acceptable, or beautiful.

  191. Lauren

    March 28, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    I really appreciate you bringing up "bigger" (though I don't think that's quite the right word for it. if anything you just mean unconventional) female body types. I've been thinking a lot lately that I need to find more bodacious role models for myself. As someone who is pretty thin, but very curvy (these characteristics are not exclusive of each other), I find it problematic that most of the photos in my inspiration folder are of a body type i'll never have–largely boyish and straight–and of clothes that will never hang properly on me. I, and many women like me, need to learn and appreciate the merits of our own body types and this is one step toward that goal. Thank you for photographing and posting a body type somewhat out of your–and the fashion world's–mold.

  192. Sera

    March 28, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    can you feature more girls of this size please!
    I find it so frustrating that fashion is shown on skinny, featureless, tall girls, the clothes will not look the same on average shaped girls and therefore are a complete waste of time for people. Show me more images of normal girls looking fab!

  193. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    I love how people are so opinionated and take his words personally, and try to speak on behalf of this lovely young lady. Where's her voice in all of this?

    Scott made his opinion, readers should be able to give theirs… but to get offended and judgmental? Breathe a little and calm the freak down.

  194. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    I love this blog, but as a woman with "bigger" muscular legs I admit I actually read through all of these comments for some positive affirmation. because: ouch. I love my legs!

  195. paul

    March 28, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    I'm someone that doesn't like skinny or thin in a woman. Curvy yes, heavy no. Scott, the blog relies on real. The overly sensitive and defensive don't really get the point. Head down, keep going you've got it right. Paul M

  196. Sarah Klassen

    March 28, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    I do not believe I have ever left a comment on your blog, but for this post, I just had to. I really enjoy your blog, and the work that you do…

    As for the wording, there is no correct word that will please everyone. Someone will always be upset, based on their own issues and perceptions, I feel.

    These ladies look beautiful and healthy, and yes, curvy. Who cares? One needs to look at their outfits, certainly appreciate their style, your photography, and feel inspired. That is the point :)

    Thank you for all that you share.

    Regards,
    Sarah

  197. The Blonde Mule

    March 28, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    Dear Scott,

    First & foremost, love your blog & have followed you for years. Also have your book.

    I think the issue isn't necessarly the words you use, rather that you use them at all. Maybe steer away from body descriptions & just comment on the proportion of legs/jeans/shoes…

    To me, pointing out when someone is 'bigger' or 'curvy' reads a little insulting when you're not also pointing out when someone's not. Does that make sense?

    Not a big deal. It's a touchy issue for sure, especially for a man. Still love you & The Sartorialist.

    XOXO,
    Kim

  198. The Fancy Teacup

    March 28, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    How she implemented the Litas complements and flatters her figure. She looks fantastic.

    http://www.TheFancyTeacup.com
    much love.

  199. toohard2guard

    March 28, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    I really like the second picture. The color of her clothes match really well with the background. She's beautiful, much better than all the super skinny women in the press.. Does anybody the name of her Blog.

  200. Eire

    March 28, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Those Shoes are amazing! I want them!!

    http://eire-designs.blogspot.com

  201. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    I love this word – "curvy". It tells about everything it should tell. I'm not women, who can use this word to describe herself, and I wish I could. I'm skinny and it's not so great as it may seem. And one more thing – why nobody tells about how skinny women with no curves are offended by unconscious man and other women… we aften have small brests and bottom which are called as flat or something like this… I don't like it. Why we can't use word "curvy" for someone who has curves, why we can't use word "big" or even "plump" when someone lokks like this in our eyes!

  202. Davidikus

    March 28, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Let's not fool ourselves, she is only curvy by fashion standards. Most women are far curvier. That is just the way they are. And there is nothing wrong with this, of course! It's just a matter of getting the right outfits & dressing acc. to our body structure as you point out.

    I love the imprecision of the English language! I always forget the thing on the right is commonly called a hat. I am not all that keen on beanies, though. They are not all that flattering (though, they are obvious very practical).

    Nice finds in both cases!

    http://davidikus.blogspot.com/

    http://www.davidranc.com

  203. Mike

    March 28, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    worded perfectly, sir.

  204. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    As a longtime reader of The Sartorialist, I am also glad to see a nod to diversity in body shapes and sizes and I've always enjoyed the variety of ages that you include. I also admire your desire to talk about this honestly.

    I found your language problematic, but I also find a lot of the responses problematic. There is no such thing as the size of "real women" — all women are real, whether they are a size 0, size 12,larger or in between. And, speculating on her size or what is normal and what is not is not helpful.

    Better to acknowledge that beauty comes in a variety of shapes and sizes and this is a woman who knows how to dress her shape, which happens to be larger than many of the women featured on your site. Or, just let the picture, and beautiful woman, speak for itself.

  205. Fikari

    March 28, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    What if you say sporty build as opposed to curvy? That could possibly be more appropriate for those not comfortable with the word curvy.

    She looks great!

  206. Tereza Ĺ .

    March 28, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    she has muscles, she´s curvy (NO big or heavier) and she looks fantastic. But the first jeans make her legs look bigger then they really are.

    And I don´t understand why so many people are commenting about that Scott said she "is big and curvy" bcs he did not say that!!

    PEOPLE, DON´T ACT LIKE SHEEP AND DON´T REPEATE EACH OTHERS COMMENTS…

  207. mrsfashionblog

    March 28, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    That girl is so pretty, well she's curvy but that makes her perfect.
    Last day i was walking on the street and a modelling agent came to ask me if i wanted to formed part in. i get impressed (because i'm overwight) and they told me they're wanting different profiles. However, i don't believe them, i don't see overweight models.

  208. jackie

    March 28, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    i think that because of the fact that we can't see the curves like you said- and from the pictures she just looks like another skinny model with more athletic legs than typical- people have reacted the way they have- maybe if you would've put a picture that did show that she was curvy because of her physical attributes that you've suggested then we'd get it, but from these pics like you yourself noticed we could just see her legs and height… i think using the word bigger too kind of gave the post a different tone as well and maybe that's another reason people have reacted the way they have.

    bottomline- i think if you're gonna show a girl who's curvy- show a picture where you can clearly see and celebrate those amazing curves… i think curvy is a great word- hell, i'm flat as a board on both sides and would love to be called curvy! I just want to see these curves you speak of!

  209. Up Heart Meant

    March 28, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    From a curvy girl, kudos Scott!

  210. Sona Rai

    March 28, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    If you want to represent other body types, then just post the other body types in the same way that you post the rest of your photos. Your readers are intelligent, and do not need to be told if someone is older or has more muscular legs than other people you normally photograph. They can figure that out – your words can be easily misinterpreted as disdain for the woman (ah, she doesn't have the same type of legs, so she solves this with this shoe). No – you could simply say, this is a beautiful blogger I saw this year, I love her style, particularly her shoe and pant. No comments about her shape compared to others is necessary. THAT would be a modern way of discussing size.

  211. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    i love the images here; they are full of important things like movement and emotion and life (in the foreground and often in the background, too) and the not-so-important things like clothing and accessories. love that your site allows me to see another love – how other people present themselves in the world.

    i love the discussions, too … but why must a person's size be mentioned at all? why not let your beautiful photos and the subjects' own stylings speak for themselves? please and thanks.

  212. A Victory

    March 28, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    I love that you ask about a 'minimum degree of curviness'. It's brilliant. Curvy is a beautiful word. As a girl that's not quite buxom enough to normally make it into the curvy category, but can turn heads in a pencil skirt, I love it. I'd rather be minimum curvy than normal any day.

  213. carrie

    March 28, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    New word to describe her: luscious
    Look, personally I think there is great beauty in every single man or woman you capture here. Great work. No offense taken from this 'curvy' girl…

  214. Diane

    March 28, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Gorgeous! Thank you for including this pic and of the people who are outside the "model" norm. Interesting question on semantics..

  215. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Curvy is the appropriate word for her. She is also fit and strong.

    Unfortunately, the word curvy is now being misused. It has become a euphemism for FAT, and now FAT people refer to themselves as curvy in order to make themselves feel better. Sorry, but it's true.

    I work in one of the few industries (opera) in which the public perception of greatness follows fatness. I hear women who are morbidly obese refer to themselves as curvy on a daily basis.

  216. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    The answer is simple:
    Ask yourself, does the descriptive word you use have a direct connection to how you like her style, because that's what your blog is actually about, you seeing the beauty in each of your subjects.
    I know you don't mean anything negative by your adjective.

  217. ipek

    March 28, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    I think curvy ssuits her perfectly. I fail to understand why people are offended by this word since I think it is very nicely points out that a lady has "curves", not overweight, not huge amounts of fat, not any abnomality. Continuingly pointing out that she is "normal" shows another kind of fear in my opinion. I wouldn't choose any "normality" tags to define her but instead, I would also say that she's curvy and she has a beatiful shape. Big or not.

  218. Yajaira

    March 28, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    gotta love the shoes!

  219. Emilie

    March 28, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    You are right – there is a debate around such words as 'curvy' but I don't think you are wrong to use this descriptive on Angelika.

    Curvy is not pejorative – i find it rather flattering. People have been using the term as an euphemism for more full-figured women (and that's fine), but the original meaning still refers to a shapely, hour-glass figure, which is beautiful.

    Thank you for posting these photos; of older women, of 'curvier' women, of tall waifs … You seem to appreciate women in all their shapes and I thank you for that.

  220. Emma Gordon

    March 28, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    This is a beautiful woman, no doubt. I'm just sad that she is a representation of a "bigger" woman on this website.

    I would just love to see pictures of women who would fit on the larger sizes of the spectrum. That woman must be a size six tops, and you're right that she's one of the largest you've featured on your website. Most of this country is bigger than that – and it doesn't take being a size 2 to be fashionable. I'd love to see some bigger (a size 8, even! or god forbid someone who is actually plus-sized – 14, 16 or higher) on this website to give me more inspiration for the ways I can dress my own larger body.

  221. Tanasha

    March 28, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    I dont think this woman is curvy at all. I do admit she has "strong" or "thick" legs AND I am not a fan of her clunky wooden shoes but do admit they suit her style well.

    http://www.Fashiontemerity.blogspot.com

  222. Ninjagaiden78

    March 28, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    She is pretty and a realistic portrayl of what women look like.

    windowshopz.com

  223. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    to be honest, i loved this post, with the comments on her body type included. the people that are freaking out are extremely oversensitive. the fact that you commented on her body simply points out a certain aspect of her fashion that you liked and that actually be worn and applied by the average woman! keep up the good work, and ignore the people that are angry. great post.
    xoxo

  224. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    NEXT CONVERSATION: The lack of minorities on this site. I travel, like fashion and take pictures. On my travels i see people from all races in awesome outfits be it traditional or not. Although i appreciate he pictures on this site i am always dismayed at the diversity shown in terms of race as well as the lack of body shapes

  225. Kay

    March 28, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    Slightly overweight but FOXY 50-year-old New Yorker here, to tell you that you can't win this one, Scott. "Curvy" has ceased to mean curvy and instead now it is some kind of confusing euphemism for overweight. I'm not actually curvy. I'm just a little portly. Curvy used to mean a wonderful disparity between bust measurement, waist measurement, and hip measurement, didn't it?

    I felt I needed to out myself as overweight (not that I can hide it) to avoid being attacked by the forces of political correctness. But if you truly like yourself as you are, you don't need other people to use euphemisms for your characteristics.

    Angelika looks great. She's what we call in Nebraska a big-boned gal. Also a euphemism, but a cute one, and well understood!

    Love your blog and book,
    especially those old Italian guys who look so great,
    Kay

  226. as bright as day

    March 28, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    The girl, the shoes and the photos–all lovely. Well done.

  227. DMC

    March 28, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    I think this post (and the comments that have resulted) is really interesting. It's nothing profound to say that there is a stigma attached to not only the fashion industry, but the whole pop culture, that skinny is what's attractive, and I think for young women in particular it creates a sense of insecurity and self consciousness about body image. This is nothing new. But I just wanted to say that, as someone who is "skinny" myself (5'9, size 2, naturally, always have been skinny) I look at women like this post and think "i wish my legs were like hers" because mine are shapeless sticks. I also am flat chested, so when I see a "curvy" woman, I'm envious. So, in a funny way, the proverbial shoe (and it's blue! I love it!) is on the other foot.

  228. l.r. whitmire

    March 28, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    I believe you used the proper descriptions when describing this woman.
    Not "big," as some have read it, but rather, "bigger than most of the bloggers you tend to see."

    The way you describe her brings beauty to her body and style. She has created a nice composition here, and you celebrate that.

    I am a woman. I use words to describe body types in my line of work,such as "petite, curves, flattering, etc" We should not turn away from the body parts we ourselves want to hide, but empower others when we see beauty in them.

    Now, if you called me short, I'd have an issue ;p

    (love your blog!)

  229. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    What's problematic is that you say that you love that she's bigger/curvier/sturdier/whatever, and yet post photos where this really isn't evident at all.

    Is it because in reality the "curves – chest, stomach, hip – this woman has" are something that you see as less desirable/aesthetically pleasing?

  230. TT's Attic

    March 28, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Love the second photo – great coat and boots! :)

    TT's Attic Blog – Edgy Affordable Fashion
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  231. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    Hi Scott, As a former fashion insider who is a real sturdy, curvy girl I understand what you were trying to express about Angelicka's body harmony in comparison to how the usual waifish fashion types achieve their style balance. I just don't recall you ever scrutinizing any of the men's bodies in this way with the language you used! The pen is mightier than the sword – considering you have such a huge influence, please wield it wisely. Thank you. G, Mtl, Qc

  232. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    nothing wrong with the word curvy!
    agree "normal" is relative.
    sturdy…potentially insulting, sounds like the way you'd describe a horse, not an attractive woman.
    keep these posts coming!
    xo

  233. Wendy

    March 28, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Maybe the modern way to speak about size is not to speak about it at all in cases like this. I think what I found offensive about this post was that you felt you needed to mention that these shoes were not overpowered by her curves (read: size). How about just saying how put together she looks, and how much you love her shoes? Why make it about proportion when you know people might take offense? If a skinny girl wore these shoes, I doubt you would have made a negative comment about how the shoes overpowered her slender legs. You probably just would have said the shoes were awesome. Right?

  234. SoulDĂ©lice

    March 28, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    I agree with The Blonde Mule…
    I'd notice nothing special about this girl if I had done this post…
    But I guess you're intentions not bad, you're just living in a world where most of women are very very thin.
    Am I wrong?
    Be careful about the words you use too.
    But thanks for your work and the inspiration you bring!

  235. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    I think the thing that's arouse such reaction to this post is that you've never really used size terms before when talking about people's fashions. I haven't really noticed the use of other terms, such as smaller frame, thin legs, narrow shoulders, short waist… etc. You probably would have gotten a reaction as well.

    So it's not that large size is a taboo, it's that size and body types in general don't normally feature in your posts.

    Thank you for opening this conversation. It's great to know that you're thinking about your choice of words. Just like style, always be impeccable with your words.

  236. Kaitlin

    March 28, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    I don't think 'curvy' and 'thin/skinny' are mutually exclusive – curvy is body shape sometimes underrepresented but it can come in every size. Curvy to me means more about the proportions of a person. For example. My roommate and I are the exact same height (5 ft 10in), and we would both be considered slim by most people. In fact, some people have commented on this and asked if we wear each others clothing because in their perception we appear to be the same size. But we're not at all, I'm 'curvier' than she is. While she is very straight up and down, I have an hourglass figure. In fact, my ribcage is smaller than hers – so she can't wear some of my high waisted skirts but my hips are larger than hers so I couldn't wear her jeans. Yet, we both weight almost the same thing, we're both the same height, and people often perceive us to be the same 'size'.

  237. Sofia

    March 28, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    I think it's great that you want all types of women, ages, body shapes to be represented in your pictures, but maybe the problem is just that you so clearly pointed out her "curves". Why not just post a picture of her and the picture can talk for itself? To me, curves are positive, but this girl really isn't. She's skinnier than avarage, at least in the real world!

  238. pdrajdev

    March 28, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    First of all, I think it's great that you took this woman’s picture with the intent that you had- an attempt to portray the female body in its various forms. That being said, I do not think there was any need to mention that she is curvy. Having the photograph speak for itself may have been a way to avoid the somewhat problematic feedback you've received.
    You're obviously well traveled and must know that body type standards vary both culturally and geographically, that is to say it is highly subjective.
    I think that your intent was admirable and it was a great idea. This is in no way a criticism of that. However (sorry lol), I think labeling the woman as curvy was the pitfall.
    I understand the motivation for this as you receive emails/comments from curvy girls who want to see representations of their body size on the blog. In labeling this woman as curvy, you’ve addressed the comments (sort of like “here, I listened”). But in doing so, intentionally or not, you’ve created a division of 'regular images' vs. 'curvy images' to satisfy those readers who perhaps would like a broader scope of woman portrayed. I think language and the labeling of 'curvy' set people off. Perhaps not saying anything at all would have yielded different results.
    Please take this as a compliment, and not a critique. I like the posts that you don't say anything at all. The discourse that occurs amongst your followers (myself included) when you opinion is not included, is much more genuine than if you've mentioned something to look out for (eg. the aforementioned body type). You’re a very well respected person with a lot of influence and unfortunately because of that what you say and do is under much scrutiny.

    Poor guy, you’re damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.
    That’s why I like having no fans lol

    -Priyan

    Here's my blog
    http://www.pdrajdev.blogspot.com

  239. Emily

    March 28, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    People are upset by whatever is said. If you tell them it's good they won't be happy, if you tell them it's bad they won't be happy either…
    I love the fact that you photograph different women with different body shapes and ages. Diversity is always great even more in these days. Hollywood should remain the only stereotype-supplier.
    As a (successful) blogger I think people want you to explain your every thought and why you think so and that can be really difficult and time-consuming. You are a man with his opinion which we all should have and should be able to represent. Don't be put off by other peoples thoughts (which I am sure you aren't) and always express your own opinion!

    All the best,
    Emily

    http://www.thestyleexplorer.blogspot.com/

  240. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Thank you for your update and truth be told, I was surprised that you chose to comment on her relative body size as that hasn't been an issue with your photos of fashionably-sized women.

    I enjoy your blog immensely and agree that a better nomenclature than "normal" or "average" should be applied. Perhaps allowing the photos to speak for themselves as you did with the women of a certain age photos (which I great appreciated). Any time a label is applied someone will disagree with it.

  241. jasmine

    March 28, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    This post would have been more meaningful if you had refrained from analyzing her body or comparing it to the bodies of other bloggers altogether. I don't think it's a matter of using words other than "bigger," " sturdy," or "curvy." The way she's written about makes her seem like a novelty on this blog, like you were doing something saintly by allowing her on the website. If you really want to show diversity, just show it; don't point it out. You don't point out how thin most of the girls in your posts are. Treat this woman as you would treat any other person you feature. For the record, I never would have left this comment if you hadn't included the update at the end. You're allowed to post anything you want and describe it in any way you want. But since you asked your readers for a different way to describe her, I decided to give my opinion. Thank you for being open to listening to our opinions. I apologize if I came across rude.

  242. The Fabulous Spinster

    March 28, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    Why do you even feel the need to comment on her size at all? There are all shapes and sizes and COLORS in this beautiful world. Just take them in and be happy we are so different and unique.

    you don't need to make a point or comment. DIFFERENT IS NORMAL. by saying nothing and just presenting her in all her gorgeousness you are saying, "this woman is stylish and pretty"
    that is all.
    it doesn't have to be political.

  243. this girl is hot. as a "curvy" woman, yes i think i fit into that genre…i appreciate the diversity in images you share.

  244. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    The modern way to speak about size is to simply not.

    We are either moved or not moved.

    The strength of an image lays in its composition sometimes not in the way we explain it.

  245. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    I think the word curvy is a perfect description of her body type. Curvy is a shape not a size. I am 5'8" and 125 lbs and consider myself curvy, my husband calls me curvy…when did curvy become a bad term? great bodies are not about size or weight they are about proportion and shape…when are people going to get this? i think it's a great post. wouldn't change a thing.

  246. violetvirus

    March 28, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    When I read the first part of the post, I was happy coz yes, not much blogs show all age and sizes…but you do and that's what makes some of us love you and your blog…

    Seriously this is a perception issue…no matter what you say, there are some people who take it the wrong way…

    In my opinion, your words are fine and you should be able to use ayour choice of word to describe her since it's your blog…as long as she doesn't tell you otherwise..

    I'd really love to find out what she has to say…

  247. Jeanette

    March 28, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    I wish words like "curvy" or "big" didn't have such a stigma that people use as an excuse to criticize. evidently body type does really influence the way styles look and work on different individuals. Criticism of using such words misses the point about your blog.
    I'm similarly proportioned and I really love the idea of her shoes, especially in the second picture. When you have less delicate, more rounded legs, heels that are actually flattering for your entire figure can be hard to find- I find stilettos often look like I'm teetering on toothpicks. I'm excited that pumps are coming back into style, especially with more varied styles that can be worn in a wider scope of situations, outside of the work place.

  248. Natalya's Closet

    March 28, 2011 at 1:34 pm

  249. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    Show just the pictures and the basic information without "assigning adjectives". Refer the viewer to the picture instead and let them find their own words to describe them.
    What you are doing now may work in a direct communication. In a blog, you remain vulnerable to being hijacked by the "politically correct".
    Good luck.
    P.S. Although I've criticised you in the past, I'm just trying to help.

  250. Katie

    March 28, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    I don't see why a woman's body *needs* to be described in the first place. In (most) of the other photos on this blog, matters of shape, fabric, silhouette, etc. are discussed without going into descriptions about the muscle:bone:fat ratios of a woman's body. The female body is already overanalyzed, and to be honest it put me in a bad mood to think "oh awesome she looks like me!" then read a bunch of hand-wringing about what to call her legs. Her shoes complete the lines of her legs, which is further emphasized by her cropped jackets. It looks fab. The end.

  251. Margot

    March 28, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    Wait what? Maybe I'm missing something, but no where in Scott's post does he insinuate that this girl is big. He states that she is curvier relative to the typical waif-y style fashionistas we're all used to seeing. Apparently "curvy" is a hot-button word, but his statement is still true and is not offensive in the slightest.

    There's honestly probably not a 100% politically correct way to refer to a particular body shape without offending at least one person. It's kind of too bad in a way, because being objective and honest about fit, shape, scale, proportion and the merits of all of them in a fashion blog should be acceptable. Blogs are for opinions if nothing else and I think Scott's have class and taste in spades. Let's just leave it at at that and ease up on the semantics.

  252. desorden150

    March 28, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    I think one of the main problems is how people are using the word curvy. Since no one wants to call anyone "fat" or "overweight" they started using "curvy" and "muscular" and "shapely" to describe them whereas before "curvy" used to mean a person with curves regardless of their size. There are skinny girls with curves, and heavier girls with no curves. I think that is what Scott is describing, that she is curvy in the sense of that she has curves on her body, that she is not stick straight.

    Also, i think people are upset because it seems like you are saying she is big and curvy while you mean that from all the people you photograph and are in contact with, she is bigger than them and curvier. That is a fact that no one should be upset with, it's like me saying "oh this guy is darker than this one" and people getting upset because I called him dark. No! I'm saying that he is darker comparatively. She is bigger and curvier comparatively to most people you see, which work in the fashion industry and are often stick thin.

    Yes, perhaps he shouldn't have said anything since he never comments on other people's bodies but he has commented on older people and other styles.

  253. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    I don't find the word curvy offensive at all. I have a similar body type to Angelika and for me "curvy" is only seen as a compliment. She isn't normal, no one is. Everyone has a unique body type. That being said, let's see some more stylish, curvy women on this blog!

  254. Angel

    March 28, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    Funny how everyone went crazy here..

    Other word choices..

    - Voluptuous
    - Non-model size
    - Not a skinny mini
    - Not twig sized

    Growing up with only a mother and sister the word curvy wouldn't be too upsetting, because your a man your getting flack for it. People are just to sensitive anymore.

    Angels Point of View – Street Style Blog

  255. GinaP

    March 28, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    I think you've described her perfectly. When you wrote 'curvy' and I looked at your images, I knew exactly what you were describing. I think people are much too sensitive as of late. She is beautiful and stylish any way you look at it. As always, wonderful job.

  256. PPA

    March 28, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    Love it!

  257. paloma

    March 28, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    curvy is the exact word you should use, to say that a girl is curvy is not insulting, its not saying than she is overweight or anything its simply saying that she has a shape, women are curvy by nature and that is a fact, even models can be curv such as the ones we see every year in the victoria secret runway and

    P.S if we worry about "political correctness" all the time we wouldnt talk about anything

  258. Laura Eire

    March 28, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    I suppose 'Real' would be the best way to describe her also feminine or in this example I would describe her as strong and feminine . She is not model thin but is no way near plus size. I honestly cant see the curves though. Did you catch her at another angle?

  259. J'Lyn Chapman

    March 28, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    I'm not sure anything needs to be said about the young woman at all. When a "curve-less" girl is posted, there seems to be no need to label her as such. Just post the picture. The people out there who want you to post a girl with curves will make their own judgements. And that's the way to deal with it. Integrate more variety into your photos and then say nothing about it.

  260. The Little Marina

    March 28, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    She´s curvy!! I´m curvy also and I´m not fat at all… What´s happening?? Curvy is not bad!
    Lara Stone is curvy!! Jennifer Lopez is curvy!! And they are soooo different.
    Curvy is a person that has curves… we don´t say how big are they so the term is perfectly correct.

    I´M CURVY! HELL, YEAH!

    trendsforthemasses.blogspot.com

  261. desorden150

    March 28, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    For the love of God, he is saying that she is bigger and curvier than people he usually photographs (because they are often stick thin models) not in the entire whole world! He never said she was representative of big girls or anything like that. People need to read carefully and understand what he is trying to say, not just take at face value!!

  262. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Scott, I really respect your work and that's why I am so happy that you are welcoming a conversation on how fashion intersects with they way we define/name our bodies. I agree with most of the commenters above that the most subversive and compelling comment to make would be no comment at all — to resist marking any body as being "curvy," or "voluptuous" ("sturdy" makes me think of a lumberjack, so that's the main reason I think that particular word might not be so fitting!). When we mark a certain body as being "curvy" we're just stating the obvious — it's different from the norm of very, very thin bodies we see in the fashion world. But the marking of a body as "curvy" itself does not challenge the problematic norm of thinness — it actually just reinforces that norm. It's like marking the WNBA as women's basketball doesn't change the fact that the unmarked (M)NBA is still the more privileged sports institution. Using the word "curvy" doesn't change the hierarchy. However, I think, at its heart, fashion is all about shaking up social norms, so why not start in the most obvious place — the body, in all its various forms. By including a diverse array of bodies and treating each one as normal and valued as the next one, we can really turn fashion into a body-positive space for women and men. Considering your blog's wide following and the importance you have in the fashion industry, I think this site would be a perfect place to start this kind of equality.

  263. Lucianna De Cicco

    March 28, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Uma graça!! Ela tem o corpo "curvy" das cariocas!! Pode sair de Milão diretamente para a praia de Ipanema sem fazer feio!!

  264. Joy

    March 28, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    I do love your blog and
    I didn't take issue with the word 'curvier'as I did your use of the word, 'bigger'.I wished you would have clarified exactly what you meant by that. You're right that these can be subjective terms but 'Bigger' has inherent implications of largeness in scale, as well as fatness regarding height & weight ratio. I've seen a lot of great female bloggers in all shapes and sizes, so it seems a bit body snarky to even comment on her body, even if you meant it to be complimentary.
    That being said, she is a beautiful girl with great style. Your photos really highlight that.

  265. Dee Dee

    March 28, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Can we please talk about the Jeffrey Campbell "Lita" shoe she is wearing and that is in every fashion blog out there at the moment? LOVE THEM WANT THEM!!! xo

  266. fashionslap

    March 28, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    LOL she is curvy. Does this mean when a girl is small you can't say curvy? Ahh well she is larger that's the truth, but she is gorgeous and looks fit ala Crystal Renn really.

  267. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    I love the fact that you're showcasing non-frail non-young women. However, just by drawing attention to the fact that her "sturdy" legs are flattered by her shoe choice, you are sort of labeling her as the "other" and drawing attention to her weight. How about just saying "look at how well her shoe choice works with her legs/pants" without mentioning her weight? I'm glad you're having a conversation about this. I stopped looking at fashion magazines and most fashion blogs a long time ago because they've lost all perspective on what is an attractive weight. I think models these days look disgusting, and I know they're a lot thinner than they were 20 years ago. I worry about their health every time I see a photo.

  268. joshylola

    March 28, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    I believe that curvy is nice. I am small,I have bigger friends and we all are pretty to our way ;-D great photos

  269. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    First off I love this blog and I love this girl's style!! I'm a shoe gal so those blue heels make me melt.

    She is curvy i can see that and I agree that this is a correct statement. I'm curvy too, but the way she is. I curve. I'm not straight up and down and I'm not round. So yes I think curvy is the perfect way to describe her.

  270. Angie Muresan

    March 28, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    I don't mind the word curvy. But I did mind the word sturdy. Curvy describes a human form, sturdy reminds me of a tree trunk.

  271. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    Scott,
    I believe it is entirely possible to comment on her fashion sense without commenting on her size. Instead of using words like "sturdy, curvy" or as readers have suggested, "womanly, athletic" just avoid the use of descriptors and explain why her look works. Something about choosing the right heel proportional to your body type would probably work just fine. Although weight is a very sensitive topic, it is usually one-sided with a focus on descriptors for above average women. It is not very frequent that thin women;s legs are described as unsturdy. The use of any kind of descriptor always has the danger of taking away from the true meaning of the post.

  272. spore

    March 28, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    I believe that this is a North American issue of insecurity and self image. People in Europe probably wouldn't give your choice of words a second thought.

  273. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    i like the word 'curvy' – it's the same as fecundity – that for some very strange reason modern men seem to abhor. honestly i don't mind either of the terms applied to me.
    sometimes i got fed up with the way language is being so meaninglessly censored, to a dgree where they lost their original vitality.
    way to go CURVY girls! (and that doesn't mean fat)

  274. Brandie

    March 28, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    When it comes to describing the shape of a woman, there is nothing that you can say that won't get SOMEONE all fired up. But at the end of the day, I, for one, don't visit your blog religiously to read your commentary on someone's size, but rather to see interesting and diverse styles of dressing.
    You regularly feature subjects who look like they are one step from collapsing from hunger yet you never comment on how their "size" or "shape" is impacting their style, therefore, I would expect the same treatment when you feature subjects who look as healthy and normal as most women I know.

    If you do want to go down that dicey road of commenting on how someone's "size" and "shape" is impacting their style…then I can only ask that you do so consistently across ALL your subjects.

  275. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    "curvy" is fine. i agree, it isn't specific to weight, just shape. thank you for showing fashionable women and breaking from the routine shots of fashionable model-type figures

  276. Janice

    March 28, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    I agree with what a previous comment said – whatever you call it, someone will get offended! We associate certain words with so much emotions and opinions.

    Like you said, "normal" is relative. And for you, you didn't feel that was the appropriate word to use. What's important is that you celebrate differences on this blog, you don't only show images of one body type or people with one kind of style. That's what I get out of this post, anyway.

  277. The Elegant Bohemian

    March 28, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Unfortunately the term "curvy" has become a euphamism for "she's a bit on the heavy side". For the fashion industry, a size 6 is "curvy". But I think what has happened is that those in the industry now are a bit in a vacuum. All they see are severely thin women. I said it…..SEVERELY THIN. I NEVER read any blog post about a photo of a woman with jutting pelvic bones and knife like collar bones. Because in the industry, that's the norm. This girl is adorable and it never even occured to me that she looked curvy by any definition. She's a beautiful girl and the picture is beautiful. A piece of advice for men. Never tell your girlfriend she's sturdy or big. Only tell he she's curvy when you're wrapping your arms around her and then just whisper it in her ear. "Sturdy" and "Big" describe the UCLA football team, NOT a pretty girl!

  278. Aja

    March 28, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    Moved to comment…

    I like the word curvy, it was actually the word "bigger" that caught my breath for a moment. She is bigger than what? The norm? Not hardly. She is just bigger than the normal sampling of skinny glamazons featured on your site – who are also gorgeous and fabulous.

    I think what would be awesome is if you had just featured this beautiful curvy girl without having to draw attention to the fact she's "bigger" – do you mention how skinny all the other girls are? No. Bigger is relative, as you say. I feel like when the curvy girls are featured next to the skinny girls, without having to go "hey look! I am featuring a bigger girl!" then we will have gotten somewhere.

  279. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    I think the issue is that you don't have to say anything at all about their size. I mean, you don't say something like "anorexic" when talking about someone who is obviously "underweight" on your blog. You just post the photos and let the conversation go where it may. You didn't call Costanza or Lee R "old", etc. Just my opinion.

  280. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    Well, I'm extremely pleased by everybody's response. Scott, I don't think people want you to describe this girl as 'normal.' I think what is needed is your silent recognition that she is.

  281. lrntn

    March 28, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Your blog … please use whatever terms you want ! Can't please 'em all. Too much political correctness and euphemisms etc, I agree. Agree with you that "curvy" used to mean just that — with curves. Nowadays, who knows? I mean, at least in the US, now it's common to see a size XXS, or even XXXS? How crazy is that.There didn't even used to be a size 0.

  282. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    It is really interesting to note that Scott never talks of men in terms of weight, height or age. Only women have this special categories as if super thin, young women are the norm, and others an exception.

  283. Bronwyn

    March 28, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Oooh, she looks really lovely! I really like the hood in the second picture and the different textures of black in her outfit.
    I think that sometimes the problem behind the word "curvy" is that in some magazines and in culture, that means "fat," when I think you mean "she has boobs and hips and the like."
    I personally don't have a problem with it, and I think that if you continue to use it, perhaps it will lose the "fat" connotation and just mean "she has curves" or something….
    Did that make any sense at all?

    windeater.blogspot.com

  284. myriam

    March 28, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Sir,

    I am confused as to why you have to describe the body shape at all. When you have "skinny" girls you don't say, "I love how this skinny woman looks in her pants". While I am not offended by the word curvy, I do always think it's peculiar that you label people. It makes me cringe when you write "older" woman. I know many a woman that would be sent into a tailspin to be defined that way or the time you wrote that David Byrne looked "uncool" really? Is that even possible? It's so refreshing when you just point out what you like about the person's style. A scarf, a bright belt etc. Cool,old, curvy it's all a state of mind, labelling is so out of fashion anyway.

  285. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    I looked at the photos and did not thought about her shape. I read the comment and thought that he (red: Scott) was right. I mean, I believe Scott referes to her body compared to the thin runway models. If you campare her to runaway models she is curvey but I agree with all you other readers that this girl looks stunning and is considered "normal".

    I do not think Scott meant to hurt her (the blogger) or any other female readers by his comment. What so ever I understand how his comment is easy to misunderstand.

    I am pretty sure we have seen heaps of "normal" people like this girl from several cities around the world photographed by the Sartorialist.

    I do have to agree though: Her body shape should not have been mentioned. I do not see a reason to mention it. She looks like "any other healthy good look girl".

  286. Whiskey

    March 28, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Scott –

    Do I think "big" when I see the word curvy? Yes. Do I think that's what you meant to imply? Absolutely not!

    I blame all the fashion magazines who started using "curvy" as a euphemism for plus size. Curvy should not be vilified. Angelika may love being described in those terms.

    I am a size 14 curvy girl. I have a perfect hourglass figure with a bit extra around the lower stomach. I call myself curvy with no regard for the extra weight, but because I am curvy not slender or lanky at 5'10.

    And to everyone using the word "normal", STOP! I am not normal and neither is this beautiful woman. She can not walk into a store and find easy fits in stylish pieces. Curvy cannot fit into "normal" sizes all that well, especially not with exceptional height. Nor is curvy large enough to automatically be plus size. I know plus size fashion is too boxy and misshapen on my frame.

    Curvy is not the problem. The problem is that we have allowed our understanding of a beautiful word to be twisted by the media.

  287. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    A gentleman never comments on a lady's size.

  288. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    I'm a curvy girl and that terminology is fine with me. It's flattering as well as descriptive.

  289. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    How about wording comments like this for example?

    "I loved that she's a UK size 6-8 girl – whereas most of the other bloggers who you see in the the press and tend to represent the genre are usually around size 0-2.

    The subtle thing she achieves so successfully in these two looks is to complement the shape of her legs with a strong shoe. A daintier shoe would be overpowered but these shoes create a beautiful harmony for the lower half of her body."

    I'd be really happy to see more examples of great looks on different body shapes and size.

    But honestly, when I started reading your description (and pictures hadn't uploaded yet) I was looking forward to seeing a gorgeous someone UK size 16-24.

  290. Erica

    March 28, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    I think curvy is an accurate word choice. Her legs have an amazing curving line when you look at her from the side. Her body is amazing! Curvy doesn't have to be a code word for fat. She certainly isn't fat, but she does have a different body type from most fashion bloggers, which I love. Isn't the point of fashion blogging that real people get to make the content and decide what's stylish and beautiful instead of being dictated by the industry?

    More power to her for being herself, and more power to you for using the word you thought best described what you were going for. As a size 12 woman obsessed with fashion/style, I'm not offended.

    ~Erica

    tangerinetrenchcoat.wordpress.com

  291. Solanah

    March 28, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Fantastic! It's nice to see someone with a similar figure to mine wearing someone completely different to my style, but I love it!

    I don't see the problem with curvy, a common mistake people make with the word is that it means "thick". A woman can be curvy, and petite, or slim, and I think this girl is wonderfully curvy among other things.

    And you are completely right, "normal" is a nonsense word when describing a person.

    Love your work, thanks for posting so often!

    xoxo
    Solanah
    vixenvintage.blogspot.com

  292. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    I'm so tired of people being upset by words like curvy or heavier.. She IS heavier and curvier than the "normal" girl in fashion. She was never referred in the blog as too heavy or too curvy.. just as curviER and heavIER (which she) is and how great she looks!
    Get over it!

  293. Michelle

    March 28, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    I don't think you needed to comment on her shape. Just that she looks great! Thanks for the wonderful photos and the interesting conversation.

  294. Emmy

    March 28, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    She's lovely!!! Anyone know her blog???
    A couple of people said Angelica Blick, but that's a different person.

  295. DNA

    March 28, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    I was not offended by your choice of words. I don't know what other words you could use . . . non stick-figure? Silly.

  296. cbannan

    March 28, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    being PC is important but overrated. i'm glad to see a different body type on your blog, and have also enjoyed the shots of older women you have posted recently.i think those shoes look great on her, just as you pointed out. what is the name of her blog?

  297. Erica

    March 28, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    Yeah, I think you really could have just let the photo speak for itself.

    This woman is in no way big or curvy. She has a proportionate body size for her height. When speaking about curves, we generally think: Beyonce, Kim Kardashian, Jennifer Lopez… It's not so much about being politically correct as just correct in general. You are right. We cannot see her curves, so why mention them? You could have simply said how much you love her shoes.

    I understand wanting to represent women of all ages, ethnicities, and sizes, but why point out the fact that you are doing it? Let your blog speak for itself. It's great what you do. We love it. Beautiful fashions of the everyday woman. <3

  298. loves rugs :)

    March 28, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    wow, people are way sensitive. Nothing wrong with curvy, in fact I'm jealous. Continue to say curvy! They'll eventually get that it's a complement :)

    Love the shoes too!

  299. tagatha

    March 28, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    I see two "problems" with the word curvy you've used:

    1) This word seems to have been hijacked by (fashion?) media to mean a body type that isn't thin; it now implies that a person is fat without saying so directly (also, the people who are called curvy this way? Are usually not even obese).

    2) The angle in both of your pictures doesn't actually show us her curves. Hence some people taking offence of the word when she's seemingly gazelle-like.

    As a non-native speaker, it irritates me when words have other meanings than the literal ones I've learned at school; it is sometimes very confusing to read an article that is trying to be "hip."

    And what word should/could you use instead of curvy? I've no idea. For me, curvy is a shape but apparently many people have assimilated the other meaning of the word and will have a fit when it's used wrongly – though in your case, you're actually using it right.

    Also, from my POV, her legs actually do look normal compared to that of a model's.

  300. Sarah S.

    March 28, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    if you hadn't used the word curvy (MISNOMER!), i would not have noticed she was any different from the leggy nymphs you usually photograph. the problem is not the word "curvy" itself, but the fact that you consider this girl to be curvy.

    i also find it disconcerting how her oversized shoes (which look fabulous) make her look, proportionately, like the many noodle-leggéd fashionistas strutting the street.

    please please photograph a variety of sized women. but don't call this woman curvy. put her up on your blog without comment, and continue keeping an eye out for a lady worthy of the term "curvy" and you know what? don't even comment on it then. this blog is about how people wear clothes. hopefully women not 5'9" and 110 lbs can wear clothes well, or there is rather little hope for us.

  301. Aline

    March 28, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    The word curvy is acceptable. The words "sturdy" and "bigger" are not.
    "Sturdy" makes me think of Russian farmers ladies, working in the field. This is not what this lady looks like.

    What about just saying "This woman has great style, look what she is wearing" instead of congratulating yourself for showing more diversity – which really, you are not. When you feature women a size 12 or 14 and refrain from talking about their "curves", then you did something the fashion industry rarely manages to do today – showing real diversity.
    Different body types should not be there to "make a point", they should simply be shown because they exist and they are beautiful.

  302. M

    March 28, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    The word 'curvy' has only been hijacked recently by shops that use it for their plus size clothes. I completely agree that curvy is a shape and not a weight. We become too sidetracked by catwalk models who have no shape and don't represent the vast range of bodies out there. It's refreshing to see someone embracing theirs. And she looks fantastic!!

  303. sleepy_eyed

    March 28, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    'curvy' has taken on negative connotations in the last number of years but curves are what a womens body has: boobs, hips and a bum. the use of such skinny models has removed these curves from the high fashion world but we cant deny that mostly the clothes look better on a model going down the runway (if an unrealistic view of what they would look like on many other women). this womans body type is aspirational for many women of less slender proportions but she is representative of larger majority than a runway or print media model. it is great to see her on her and she has great style.

  304. sdockendorf

    March 28, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    thank you for the UPDATE. Sartorialist, I agree with you completely – call a spade a spade. ! I myself am 5'0, a Pilates instructor, super althletic, wear a size 2 and weight 128 lbs. That is not small, but to most woman around me I have an ideal figure. Curvy, not skinny, petite, and strong with lots of muscle definition. I am "big" for a 5 foot woman. According to some charts, I am considered overweight for my height, but that doesn't consider my mass or that I wear a size 2.

    Bottom line, I don't care if I am called bigger, or curvy, or whatever. That is what I am. I am not sure how else to describe it.

  305. Killa Kam

    March 28, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    I would call her legs "shapely." Curvy is nice too, but bigger is kinda rude. Either way, thanks for showcasing a diverse array of body types and racial ethnicities.

  306. caitymccoy

    March 28, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    one only needs to look at her legs to understand the term curvy. look at the way her legs flow, in gentle flowing curves, especially her calves… like a curve in the road no other description works.

  307. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    I don't have problem with the use your word curvy, what I do have a problem with is the fact that your description of this woman is inaccurate; she is not curvy! In fact, she's skinny and slender. Perhaps you have a warped image idea of what is curvy after all these years in the fashion industry.

  308. daisy

    March 28, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    I think this girl has fuller legs than the fashion females that usually get photographed. In my opinion, great legs and a great word to describe them.

    I think for the purpose of the blog that was a great word. It didn't seem to me that the purpose was to make a statement regarding the size of her legs or body over others'. The subject's limbs aren't as long/thin/lean as one usually sees but by you using the word curvy I didn't read any additional meaning into it. What other word can you use that people won't be offended by? I think you do a great job of being non-judgmental and pointing out characteristics and styles that grab your attention or that are beautiful. People should be a little less sensitive about this issue! It's sad that there doesn't seem to be a group of acceptable terms to describe body types and sizes that are neutral or that carry common meanings. Someone should work on that.

    I have been L-XL in American sizes my entire adult life and have been referred to as thick, fat, curvy, voluptuous, chunky, etc. I didn't really care. Now, I've lost weight and still get told I'm curvy. I believe people are referring to the fact that my waist-hip ratio shows a significant difference between the two. Same with my bust. I'm happy with the word. I think it'll be the same if I go down from a M to a S. That's my body type. Could that be a generally accepted definition for curvy?

  309. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    Until people accept women as we are–whatever our age and form–moving around the words isn't going to do anything but create new pejoratives. Fat, old, curvy, big, skinny, what have you are not dirty or insulting words, because having one or more of those traits is not criminal, mean, or immoral. Maybe it's not completely gentlemanly to assess a woman's body publicly, but there was nothing derogatory to anyone in your post. – Jean

  310. Jessie

    March 28, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    never been to milan and desperately wanna go. great shots.

    http://wordbyjessie.com

  311. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    She is quite simply SEXY. I love women who look like her. But I'm a 6'4" athletic guy…

  312. Tricia

    March 28, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    You've touched on something I've always been irritated by as a "tall girl" – that somehow being tall means you are "big". Yes, there is height, and proportionally your limbs will, likely, be larger than someone 10 inches shorter and in the same weight bracket – that DOES NOT make me, or other healthy tall women "big" or "sturdy".

    I don't see Angelika as remarkably curvy or even normal – indeed she, to me, looks slender, healthy, and body-confident – which is more important than any descriptor anyone places on her – no matter her height.

  313. TheFashionAddict

    March 28, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    There are no words to describe her that would leave everyone happy. I think that curvy is a good way to describe her, there's nothing wrong with being curvy. Your comment is that she is bigger than most of the bloggers seen in the press, although that is not to say that they aren't out there. It would be great to see more photographs of girls her size.

    And I LOVE her shoes btw, I really want a pair.

    http://lavie-amonavis.blogspot.com

  314. Gabriela

    March 28, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    These shoes are amazing! I'm from Brazil… and looking at this blog, I was thinking that every french girl is really skinny (like the women in another posts). When you walk on the streets of my country, you can see that almost every women are the way this girl is. Good to see that there are other kinds of women in France too. And better is to see that she can look as amazing as the other women. Excelent post! People are so protective, always wants to defend someone… Even if this person wasn't offended. Hugs

  315. Gabriela

    March 28, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    These shoes are amazing! I'm from Brazil… and looking at this blog, I was thinking that every french girl is really skinny (like the women in another posts). When you walk on the streets of my country, you can see that almost every women are the way this girl is. Good to see that there are other kinds of women in France too. And better is to see that she can look as amazing as the other women. Excelent post! People are so protective, always wants to defend someone… Even if this person wasn't offended. Hugs

  316. E

    March 28, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    Thanks for the post and commentary Scott. As a tall and 'curvy' gal I have no problem at all with the terms. It's rather nice to see a range of sizes and ages on your site – that's why I keep reading. Thank you! Lisa

  317. TheFashionAddict

    March 28, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    oh and it would be great to know the name of her blog, if you know.

    http://lavie-amonavis.blogspot.com

  318. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    I don't think the words "curvier, bigger, or sturdier" should be used to describe a woman. Ever. A more gracious phrasing would be "not stick thin, non-model, a real and everyday woman." The adjectives you used to describe this lovely woman make it seem like you are declaring her looking good "in spite of her being…(you fill in the blank)."

    Would you ever describe a model as pulling off an outfit even though her legs look like sticks and she has the chest of a man? Why is that the ideal, the ultimate in beauty and fashion, and not a real and healhy-figured woman. I think your perspective is backwards. Love the blog, though!

    Sara

  319. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    Scott, you're absolutely right. She IS curvy!
    The thing is, that shouldn't be a charged word. Bigger, curvier, etc. Those are just words to describe and compare relative shapes.
    They only make people upset when people assign qualities and hierarchies to those words.
    All of you who are so indignant that he said "curvy" and want to know what he would call you (so, you are probably bigger than her), well you're the ones creating this paradigm.
    You assign a better value to "smaller," and then you desperately want to fit in to that category. So, you get angry when someone even smaller than you isn't considered small or whatever.
    Now, if we all take a deep breath, and realize that we need to use words for descriptions, then maybe you will understand that the word was not an insult to you, the girl, or anyone else.

  320. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    I think she does have a body that could be described as "bigger" (than a size 0 anyway which is normal in a few industries), curvy (she has curves), and sturdy (she doesn't look like she'd be blown over is a strong wind, which is a look waif-ish types cultivate).
    It is just that many people, myself included, have become used to words like "curvy" "sturdy" and "bigger" being used as synonyms for obesity. This girl is curvy and I would not want her to drop a single pound.

    I guess she could be called "shapely". That doesn't seem to have the same connotations as "curvy".

  321. J. Vander Meer

    March 28, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    She's great, and I don't think the word curvy is out of place here, she has awesome musculature her legs are beautiful and shapely. What on earth is wrong with pointing that out and using the word curvy.

    I am curvy, alot curvier than she is and I think it is a wonderful adjective to use. I appreciate my curves and I flaunt them. Some girls are beautiful but not soft, they are angular and have painfully beautiful lines.

    If we can't use obvious tasteful words like curvy to describe someone's attributes then what can we use?
    We are a sum of our parts, if we weren't no one would care how we dress them :)

    Keep it up!

  322. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    Skinny can be curvy too!
    My legs go straight up and down. I don't have the calf definition that she has. She might have a flatter stomach or smaller waist than me, but no one would call me "curvy."
    It's perfectly ok to call her curvy, even to call her bigger. Most actresses are "bigger" than models, and swimsuit models are "bigger" than runway models.
    If we aren't allowed to use comparative adjectives anymore, what is the point of writing, speaking, or communicating in any way?

  323. hannah queen | honey & jam

    March 28, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    how about we just don't comment on her size at all? just let the pictures speak for themselves. this is a style blog, talk about the clothes.

  324. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    I agree with the Blond Mule. You don't usually describe Giovanna as thin when you portay her, do you? Yet she is very thin, and that's the standard we are presented with most of the times (when it comes to the fashion world). Compared to this standard, the girl in the pictures is definitely curvier. I'm sure you didn't mean to say anything like "she is beautiful EVEN IF", but stressing the fact that she is curvy and explaining us why you put her on your blog sounds like a justification. If you don't want to have so many people reacting to an adjective, I think it may be best not to qualify the girl at all.

  325. jennie

    March 28, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    I think it's not necessary to emphasize the size or curviness, let the pictures do the talking!:)

  326. Andrea

    March 28, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    Thank you very much for addressing this issue with the openness you have. I think it's important to engage in it rather than accepting a certain thin, young type as a standard of beauty–or just rejecting it (as in using the word "normal."
    Characterizing different types might support appreciation if done in the way you are attempting. I think "curvy" is just fine as a description–I, who may have a similar stature, do not object to it. And the trick with the strong shoes I know well from my own dressing.

  327. troubledeyes

    March 28, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    The reason you got such a "big" response is because you very rarely show women of all shapes. And since you love her form so much why shoot her from the side angle–the angle that makes most "curvy" women appear more slender than they actually are? You can show whoever you like but it smacks of hypocrisy when you claim to shoot women of all shapes & sizes. You do when it comes to men but not women.

  328. toridawn

    March 28, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    Ay, ay, ay. "Curvy" "sturdy" and "bigger…than most of the other bloggers" all sound like compliments to me. Those other twigs out there need to eat a sandwich. Why is everyone so offended by those words?!? You didn't call her "fat" or "large" or even "chubby." Good lord, people.

    Good for you for also taking on "body harmony." No one wants to hear it, but we all need to dress in a way the makes the best of what we've got…even if our legs are "sturdy." It's never flattering to force your body into a style because it's trendy if it isn't right for your unique shape.

    I wish that all the nay-sayers had actually looked at the context of what you're saying. It's actually quite complimentary to her shape AND her sense of dressing well for that shape.

  329. MARK

    March 28, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    Whoa man.
    More real women, please.

  330. Paul

    March 28, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    Amazing. Curvy girls with flair.

    For those looking for the newest photo blog:

    http://www.alifeyetlived.com

  331. Isabel

    March 28, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    I love this post. She is a gorgeous (um cheekbones much?!) and substantial woman. She is tall and fuller figured than many of the women so prominent in the fashion world. I understand the use of the word curvy. I use it all the time in reference to myself and others, and I would say it would be a fairly accurate description of this woman, particularly if we were we seeing her from the front. Many woman are curvy, even very thin women can have curves, as it does refer to SHAPE. I cannot tell you how happy it made me to see these beautiful photos of such a stunning and statuesque woman. I know there are many out there we just don't see as much of them. So thank you thank you thank you.

  332. kristianahf

    March 28, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    Dear sartorialist,

    I really apreciated the honesty of your update,post and comment. Although not particulary curvy myself, I like to see a wide range of ethnicities, ages and sizes. it makes fashion and the clothes more meaningful.

    I believe there is not a way to keep everyoe happy as the world is now a political minefield.

    Your described her perfectly, she is curvy, tall and statuesque.

    pay no mind to thoes that criticise there will always be those that find fault, where none is intended.

  333. Gabi

    March 28, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    I think "curvy" is just fine. People describe me that way all the time; I'm 5'5" and weigh 140 lbs, and I've never taken offense. In fact, I'm flattered by the term. To me, it implies a certain sexiness.

  334. Caroletta

    March 28, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    What actually sucks is that you mentioned that she was curvy, so you put her in a special box. I do not remember you specify for other photos if the person represented was skinny, curvy, young, old. You see what I mean?
    Anyway, I love your work and the passion you put in it. Thanks.

  335. Kerry

    March 28, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    Great post and I see no problem with your choice of words. It's hard to win a war of semantics because you'll never please everyone. People should be happy that an influential blogger such as yourself is willing to post photos of women of all sizes and ages at all!

    Keep up the good work.

  336. Tuuli

    March 28, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    Well, I support you Scott. The words 'bigger' and 'curvier' jumped from the text for me too but mainly because those words are almost automatically contentious, even when they are not meant to be used in a way that implies judgement on a person's figure. People are of different shapes and sizes and describe what they see from their own reference points. To get stuck on the "size conversation" every time only sustains it.

  337. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    It's probably best to ask the girl. I know some plus-sized women who prefer to be called "fat" as a way to empower themselves and reclaim the word.

    As you say, though, "curvy" is certainly an accepted body type, so I should think it acceptable.

    In any case, thank you for this post!

  338. bravegrrl

    March 28, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    great post… love that you are representing a more diverse variety of women than most. i don't think that curvy is an inappropriate word to describe her… i agree, it is more of a body type than a weight thing… anyhow… BRAVO!

  339. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    A comment like that is the reason I hate the fashionindustry.

    They think they represent diversity and beauty. But when it all comes down to reality most of "fashionpeople" have the same body.

    In any other business that would just be a beautiful woman. In fashion she a beautiful "curvy" woman.

    Beauty is not about size, race, sex. So why do people keep commenting it?

    So tiering..

    Rebecca

  340. AL

    March 28, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    Hmm,.. thanks for getting us thinking, and being honest. You are right, when i read 'curvy' it did rub me the wrong way, as she is slimmer than average.
    Perhaps 'shapely'?

  341. tallulah

    March 28, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    She is just stunning for who she is. The older women last week (is 'older' PC enough?) were inspirational and this woman is magnificent. Hands up to you for showing the wonderful diversity of the human form.

  342. Robert

    March 28, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    To Mr. Schuman;

    I am an avid follower of your blog, and have read it since it started.

    I rarely comment upon the photos, because I can see the beauty or uniqueness that inspired you to take the shot; so I comment today regarding 'wordplay'.

    Do not, under any circumstances, feel the need to alter your words. Your earlier post was not derogatory in any way; if anything, you used the word "curvier" in the context of saying something positive about a woman breaking the stereotype of your typical fashion blogger.
    I worry about an age in which words which were never intended to be offensive, suddenly become so. Under the freedom of speech, granted under the HRA, you are entitled to use the words you want, if you feel they are not offensive and you use them without malice. I am 19, and graduating in 3 years; and I worry about the state of the world (particularly here, in the UK, the centre of political correctness) into which I will join the workforce, where I have to choose my 'everyday' words to avoid treading on the toes of those who take offence at something so miniature, and blow it out of proportion.

    We have one life, and we are supposed to live it, to enjoy it; not to have to worry about basic things such as everyday conversation. Keep going Mr. Schuman, reason is behind you.

    Regards,
    Rob

  343. laura

    March 28, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    No need to mention size and 'sturdy' is not a compliment unless applied to table legs!

  344. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    Agree with the PC nonsense but, if I may wade into the conversation you have opened up, what struck me is that you said she is curvier than most bloggers.
    Huh?
    I don't know "other bloggers" but if this is curvy relative to their collective body type then I believe that says more about fashion bloggers than women overall. And therein lies the issue…

    That having been said, I glanced at both photos and did not automatically think "hmmm, curvier than usual" or "hmmm, larger than usual." I simply thought "cool." So I would go for the adjective "normal" since that is what my instincts registered. Better yet, no adjective at all and let the body types speak for themselves — for those who care.

    Keep up the good work.

    –haapi

  345. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    i don't think the problem is necessarily the specific words you chose. It's the fact that you decided to talk about her body at all. I think it would be better to represent women and men of all sizes without even writing about their shape. Simply showing the photograph says something greater about acceptance and beauty. None of us would have even remarked on her legs, etc if you didn't write about it. It also seems like you are trying to defend writing about her shape by saying we can't see all of her in the photo. Insinuating that she may be larger than we see. That is so missing the point!

  346. noam chen

    March 28, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Loved Your Words.

    Thank you.

  347. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    I am all for talking about it. When did "big" become an insult? I'm big! I'm beautiful! I'm curvy! I love it! Go ahead and comment on my curves, my legs etc. And since most American ARE big (we're in the midst of an obesity epidemic folks) lets talk about what fashion works for a big woman! Hoorah! Don't let the politically correct police or the women too touchy about their figures to withstand an adjective hold ya' back.

  348. kate gabrielle

    March 28, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    I don't think the word "curvy" is bothersome.. but the fact that you need to make an issue of someone's weight on your blog if they are the least bit bigger than stick-skinny girls.. that is bothersome. Why not just talk about how awesome her shoes are, and leave it at that?! They balance her OUTFIT well.. they look great on her legs — you don't need to add 'sturdy' in front of legs.. they just look good on her legs. Period.

    Much like we've adopted the phrase "colorblind" to describe an ideal world in which we don't even make notice of color differences, we should also have "sizeblind." She's dressed to the nines, she has an amazing style and she's gorgeous. That's all you need to say.

  349. Frederik

    March 28, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    I think she is so cool, she knows how to make her positure elegant by choosing high heels in bold colours!

    Amazing photos

    /Frederik
    http://WWW.THEBLACKSPAGHETTI.BLOGSPOT.COM

  350. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    "Curvy" and "big" are not pejorative words. It is context (i.e. the author) and/or the reader that give them a negative connotation.

    I did not find Scott's post offensive, and it's clear that it was not his intention to offend or criticize.

    BUT I can see why people would react. Socially, especially in fashion, "big" and "curvy" are not considered as attractive as "thin". When we read words like "big" and "curvy", we can't help but think that many people will see these as negative qualities. I believe so many readers are reacting because Scott is drawing our attention to qualities that are viewed as negative by so many.

    As readers I think it is important to not react to words like "big" and "curvy" because others might see them as negative. Instead we should embrace them. Re-appropriating such words is the first step to changing public perception.

  351. UrbanisTO

    March 28, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Scott:

    Rather than patting yourself on the back by pointing out that the woman in your photo is "a bigger, curvier girl", than other bloggers would post, why don't you just post the picture.

    Why don't you make it the RULE that "curvy" women are shown on your blog with the same frequency as we occur in the population (ie., the majority).

    Why don't you make a point of identifying – with every picture of a thin woman you post – that the person depicted is much skinnier than average?

    In any case, the woman you depict can hardly be described as "bigger" – she's actually much thinner than the average North American woman.

  352. Afrobrownies

    March 28, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Well, I would use the word curvy for any woman that has curves, even the slightest of them. Simply because that is what distinguishes that kind of woman from I guess the more common (small) sized 1s & 0s.
    Also, her body type isn't really visible at this particular angle. Anyone would look instantly slimmer.
    So I will trust the photographer's use of the word, seeing as he IS the only one who actually did physically see her.

  353. Zsuzsa

    March 28, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    Just a few points that came to my mind:
    1. dressing is about picking the right clothes for your body, thus you cannot neglect talking about body size. It is funny how people object skinny, model looks, but when it comes to talking about other body types they consider it a tabu. We should be able to move beyond it and discuss what really matters: proportions.
    2. I am not a native English speaker, but to me curvy means feminine. Without any value attached. The classic shape for man is the square, for woman the circle.

    And Scott, keep commenting on the pictures. This is the only way to get substantian feedback and be able to engage in a discussion. Any topic needs a starting point (to be argued for or against).

    P.S. I am happy the fashion week is over and we can see real people!

  354. SonjaLiana

    March 28, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    I totally disagree with this american "political correctness"!!!! if one is fat, old, stupid and so on, why should we say that it is not true ?? if she's curvy, then let him say she's curvy !!! And she is curvy! Why do we have to oversee the reality ???

  355. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    Thank you for the update. As I read through these comments I realized that each woman was comparing herself to the girl pictured and realized they would not want themselves referred to as 'sturdy' or 'big'. I do understand what you were trying to say and believe me, I am so pleased to see someone other than a size 2 featured on your blog. Maybe the word 'tall' would have been preferred to 'big'? Just a thought.

    And I agree that she is curvy..that word has also come to mean something entirely different. As you stated, curvy is not a weight, it is a body type.

    Bravo to another wonderful conversation via your blog!

  356. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    I think that in comparison to a majority of the females captured on your site, Angelika is "curvy"; however, in comparison to everyday women she is normal. It would almost be more appropriate to individualize the majority of women captured on your site as being "thin" or "skinny" as, in terms of size, they are a representation of a minority of women.

    This of course is not the answer, nor would the answer be to classify her as a "healthy" woman, which she appears to be.

    Either way the linguistics are tricky and subjective!

    The Post Modernists could have a hay day with this one.

  357. AmberLaLa

    March 28, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    Why do you need to post descriptors of her body type at all? Before reading your caption, I noticed her strong legs and butt – I didn't need you to point out that she was curvy, her body was right there for me to see.

    Just as it is unnecessary for you to point out that an older subject is "old," you don't need to tell us when a subject is bigger or curvier or whatever. You can still feature them without worrying about describing them to us – let your photo say it, they are such good photos!

    (I hope that doesn't come across as snide or critical – I genuinely appreciate your treatment of style respect for the everyday people who inhabit their own style. Your blog is a breath of fresh air!)

  358. Sarah

    March 28, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    J'ai le sentiment que le fait de côtoyer bon nombre de mannequins, rédactrices et autres personnalités hors normes, la vision est déformée. En effet, le texte était interpellant, car il positionnait cette superbe jeune femme comme étant elle "hors
    normes".
    C'est vrai, il n'y a pas de normalité simplement une façon de regarder les gens avec ses lunettes personnelles !

  359. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    I think Liz commented it best: you wouldn't say anything about the bodies of those older women or any of the men in your photos. That's what's so offensive about this post.

  360. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    Body issues are important and should be talked about. Ignoring the whole thing won't make it go away. The fashion industry is the way it is and as much as I hate to admit it, it's even screwed me up. I mean when did "curvy" come to mean fat? The fact that the majority of the readers here think that "curvy" is a basically just a nicer way of saying "fat" reveals just how much the industry has messed with their minds as well. CURVY DOES NOT MEAN FAT. I am curvy and I am a size small. I am not a stick and I am not fat. I don't know when or how people got so defensive.

  361. Ryan

    March 28, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    I immediately thought what many others did when reading "curvy." The girl in the photos is, "Normal," not the other way around.

    Ryan
    http://www.fashables.com/w

  362. Ion Ainil

    March 28, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    I agree that I wouldn't say that this woman is curvy, more that is more everyday-like, not skinny anyway! I see your point though, since you want to refer to the harmony she creates with the choice of shoes, so "curvy" is the only thing I could think of too, despite being a rather really curvy woman myself!
    It's a great post, I wish more blogs and magazines showed this kind of beauty, the more..umm…"normal" kind(?)
    Thank you!

    thefashionwithcurves.blogspot.com

  363. Nino Eliava

    March 28, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    i would say this girl has tasty body shape =)) love your blog

    http://trivialinsanity-n.blogspot.com/

  364. p

    March 28, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    Oooo somebody with legs like mine–not skinney. That was my first thought when seeing this post. Good luck navigating the mine field that "correctly" describes her.

    Anyway, I'm running out to find shooties like hers in hopes that I'll acheive the same great looks.

  365. Monika

    March 28, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    "Curvy" is not only a "play of words".
    You, sir, don't call the rest of the models here "skinny".
    So I guess "average" would do it for this particular woman.
    You would not want anyone to call you.. "sturdy" or something of the kind.
    Women are as susceptible to words describing size as men are.

    All in all, I don't think AVERAGE women should be called curvy. Curvy IS the normal state of women. So why emphasize it – just because the fashion world (and I mean models and some fashion journalists/photographers/designers/stylists) is less curvy (less normal/average) than the rest? The other group of people I can think of are ballerinas, dancers and certain athletes. THE REST of women ARE curvy. That IS the normal state. When generalising (this is what notions are used for), one just has to choose to which 'box of persons' you want to be in/refer to: the fashion world or.. the world (Western world with enough nutrition. I myself am from Estonia and consider myself average. Though I wish I were skinnier. You might know the drill).

    This all is by no means to demean your use of words. Just my thoughts on this topic.
    I hope we all keep an open mind to people's opinions.
    Thank you!

  366. katchi

    March 28, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    it would be refreshing to normalize body types by not labeling them as 'curvy' even when they are slightly outside of the rigid fashion aesthetic.

    you never find it noteworthy when a girl is extremely skinny, so why call out subjects for being average (if not by modeling standards).

  367. Blues by Five

    March 28, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Couldn't have said it better myself, Scott.

  368. alex

    March 28, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    I think it would be a lot better if you could just post her picture without even having to mention anything about her size/curviness/skinniness/whatever. Why does her curviness have to be mentioned? The fact that you did mention it leaves me wondering why.

    I think we need more girls like her coming up on blogs, otherwise they just turn into fashion magazine clones, perpetuating a skinny aesthetic. When it gets to that point then what's the point in blogs at all?

  369. Judith Anna

    March 28, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Love the pictures, Love the word curvy…
    She just looks like a woman, perfect!
    Thanks!!

    Bisou Anna

    http://www.annachoice.blogspot.com

  370. Andrea

    March 28, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    My initial reaction was very similar to many other commenters:

    Big? Curvy? WTH?

    So I re-read your post after reading the comments. Though at first you did qualify her as "curvier" than the typical women seen in the media you did go on to use "sturdy" and "curvy" as your own descriptions.

    Yes, she is bigger than most models. She's probably a US6/UK10? She may have a bust and a rump. Even if we want to ignore that curvy is typically used as a euphemism for overweight and use it as a description of shape, sturdy is not a description of shape. Sturdy is what you call Clydesdale horses. Lovely, strong, big and sturdy. This woman does not resemble a Clydesdale. Perhaps she is a Thoroughbred in a sea of fawns, but she is no work horse.

    I do want to point out to other commenters, however that calling her "normal" is hurtful to women who are naturally tiny and very slim. It implies that they are abnormal. Skinny women have feelings too! The woman photographed here is more average in size and shape. Beauty comes in all shapes and sizes, this one conforms more to the average woman than most fashion models.

    Personally, I don't feel her size needed to be mentioned at all. However, since Scott feels differently I think simply saying that she is not as slim as your usual model would have sufficed. Not that it wasn't apparent just by looking at her. The statements about the necessity of wearing chunkier shoes is entirely subjective but it is mildly insulting to all the other average and bigger than average figured women out there who love delicate shoes.

  371. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    I think your post was sensitive, positive and well written. My daughter has sturdy, beautiful legs and I can't wait to show her the way this stunning girl shows hers off.

    As ever, I am impressed by your field of vision.

  372. Blah Blah Becky

    March 28, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    I can honestly say I didn't notice her shape/size/whatever until you mentioned it. She just looks fantastic FULL STOP.

    ♥ http://www.blahblahbecky.co.uk

  373. In New York Paris Tomorrow

    March 28, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    The dialogue is good but it feels like there are boundaries and beliefs.

    She is curvy. She is larger than many in fashion. Sample sizes are based in some way upon model's dimensions and while I cannot remember the proportions involved in being a "supermodel" .. it does involve longer legs proportionately.

    Curvy is cool.

    I think that discrimination and hurt feelings will exist as long as one if supposed to actually relate the word … heavy, skinny, curvy, flat, plump, anorexic, unhealthy weight, drawn appearance, radiant ..

    Why can't these just be used without anything more at stake than specificity?

    From a former anorexic.

  374. Corinne

    March 28, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    It often feels like fashion's "normal" has become scrawny. I believe that people commented negatively to the use of curvy because they'd want a figure potentially closer to hers to be the "norm."

    I personally find she's beautiful. And I believe that curvy doesn't necessarily equal a plus size. In that way, I do believe you described her well and the fact that it is possible to look good with different body shapes.

    Also, for those who would like to see curvier girls portrayed, I do believe Vogue Italia's website has a section on curvy women with subsections titled such as "curvy and glamourous".

  375. JeffVM

    March 28, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    People are such hypocrites…
    My advice is to write whatever you feel like writing and stop reading people's comments.
    Curvy is NOT an insult, it is a descriptive word just as petite, muscular, tall, short, etc.
    To me, your description was perfectly fine, she IS a curvy tall woman, who knows how to work with her body's proportions.
    She is not by far the norm, but I wish she was, especially with young role models as Beyonce, JLo. Adele and Kim Kardashian, to name a few. I bet they would not be offended by being called curvy, to them it would be a compliment to the bodies they work out so hard on.
    Anyone offended by the word curvy is clearly insecure about their own body image and has bought into the notion that you have to be a stick in order to be considered beautiful.

  376. Victoria Regia

    March 28, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Why is everyone so bent out of shape? You guys never fail to mention how you'd "like to look like that when I get old", or "his skin color looks great with (insert item of clothing)". Get over yourselves! No one is saying she is fat. She is a curvy girl, so what? She's gorgeous! Feeling fat yourself? Hit the gym!

  377. Mel

    March 28, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    Perhaps you should not make comments at all on the photos. Simply posting them is comment enough….by including photos of stylish people of all heights, sizes, and ages you have made your point.

  378. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    I must say when i fist read this blog post i did think the use of the word curvy was inappropriate. However after reading the update i changed my mind. After all there is nothing wrong with the word curvy, in fact i think its rather flattering, however i think it is the the media's portrayal of figure and weight which has turned words such as curvy into something which now can be seen as an insult, which i think is a sad fact in deed.

  379. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    Before I read the barrage of comments, my first thought was, ugh! If I had my photo taken and excitedly went to your site to see it posted, I would be quite embarrassed to see my size being addressed—irregardless of what it is, smaller or bigger or average! Why does it need to be? Simply comment on her style—that is the focus, no?

    And I agree with someone's comment that saying "sturdy BUT beautiful" isn't helping convey the message you seem to be trying to.

  380. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    This girl is absolute perfection. She is neither bigger nor curvier. She is simply an amazing example of health and beauty. If the other bloggers are in fact smaller and flatter than this stunning girl then perhaps they need to chase fashion less and eat more.

  381. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    I agree with what The Blonde Mule wrote above: "I think the issue isn't necessarly the words you use, rather that you use them at all. Maybe steer away from body descriptions & just comment on the proportion of legs/jeans/shoes."

    But I thank you for choosing not to use "normal" to describe only one female body type. I also hate the term "real woman" — as if *any* woman is not a real woman.

    The "curvy" term bothers me because I am 5'3, 108 pounds, AND curvy. I have breasts and hips; I am not the shape of a ruler even though I have a small frame. I am also healthy — I eat well and exercise a lot. (I say this in anticipation of being dismissed as "anorexic".)

    Clearly you inadvertently waded into an issue that has a great deal of significance to women. Words can invalidate the femininity of some women ("real" vs. "not real") and create one type of female body as a universal standard ("normal").

    The whole issue is so sad to me. It never comes up in response to your photos of men. It highlights the consequences of society's objectification of women's bodies — our value is determined by others' assessments of our bodies and so that assessment MATTERS.

    Thank you for taking this issue seriously. I don't know if there is an answer or word that will work for everyone, but I appreciate your opening this discussion.

  382. sophiestar

    March 28, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    Funny think is that it seems like that you relate very skinny women to "normal". When we al know it is not naturaly (normal) possible to be that skinny…..

  383. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Scott, you poor man, never ever post anything without showing it to Garance first. Trust me :D

    But otherwise all I can say is that the pictures are perfect as always. I hope these comments won't discourage you in any way from your goal to photograph all kinds of women. Women are very insecure about themselves, which has nothing to do with you or your work as a street photographer.

    Hope to see new pictures from you soon.

    With warm regards, Mila from Finland

  384. amalie

    March 28, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    wow. did not even think of her as curvy girl but yeah – in fashion bloggin' world I guess she is.
    I dont care and I think thats the most important point. Though, you are right – its a tricky matter and hard to comment on without offending anyone. However I dont think you should worry about it – just keep posting hotness in all its diversity :-)(oh and keep steering clear of that whole "instyle'ee" dress for your body shape, cinched in waist nonsense… ;-))Aaaah you're so lovely! Just had to get that in.

  385. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    Hello Scot,
    I just wanted to say that the "Update" part of this post sums it all and does it with power – it is really good that you are striving to represent the variety of shapes and looks complementing them, and the only thing I could ask you is to do it even more often. One could maybe describe it as "natural"… but only in the sense that it is one of the many natural shapes you can find when, well, simply observing the world around you. I don't want to dive into healthy/unhealthy issues and so on, but, being a part of the "curvier" population, it is only since a few years that I've started to realise there was really nothing wrong with the term and to even appreciate it. Otherwise, would it be ok if we started to call someone naturally slim, athletic or whatever as "abnormal"? I don't think so. In the end it's the creative variety that matters.

    Monika

  386. Jade Kelly

    March 28, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    Hi there, I've been following your blog for a while and absolutely love it but I felt the need to comment on this issue, as I think you've got the wrong end of the stick as to why people are upset about your terminology, or at least this is my interpretation.

    To me the issue with calling this girl curvy is that the term 'curvy' in recent years has come to be associated with larger 'plus size' girls who are generally above the average dress size (and by average I do not mean normal but use it in a purely statistical sense). However, this girl is clearly a smaller than average dress size. The problem this creates is that it sends out a confused message.

    There has definitely been a change in the collective mindset as popular culture seems to be moving away from celebrating the size zero and more towards accepting and celebrating more average and larger sized women. You say that you get messages from curvy women asking you to represent their size, however by calling this girl curvy is more of a slap in the face to them than representation as I can guarantee most of these girls are likely to be a few sizes or more bigger than Angelika – to them she is still representing the skinny fashion stereotype, not them.

    You have to try and see this from the point of view of an average, or above average, sized woman who is likely to have a number of insecurities about her body. It is about a sort of validation. For years women have felt inadequate and have chased a bodily ideal (size zero) that is for most completely unobtainable. Then magazines start telling them it is okay to be bigger than size zero, that curvy is in and it's okay to be an average dress size. It creates a sense of validation and lessens the insecurities. But then they are told that this 'curvy' that is being celebrated is not in fact an average or curvy size at all but just a size or 2 up from size zero and consequently still very small and still somewhat unobtainable for many (and I am not pointing the finger at you as such but I have noticed this happening in a lot of magazines lately). It basically boils down to the fact that the majority of women who are a similar size to Angelika or bigger than her will have read this post and thought "oh my god if she's curvy what on EARTH am I?!" I'm sure you'd agree that increasing female insecurity is not a good road to go down!

    The female mindset I completely admit is an enigma and is not always completely logical, especially to men! I am not trying to point a finger or be scathing of your comments and I apologise if it seems that way I am just trying to explain why this has become such a controversial topic. Besides that keep up the good work, I love your photos.

  387. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    so if we go by the BMI, body mass index, there is underweight (which would mean at 6ft @ 154lbs), healthy weight (6ft upto 195lbs), overweight (6ft up to 242lbs) and then obese (which would be 6ft starting at 243 – there's a start point for everything).
    so, underweight, healthy weight, overweight and obese.
    being built similarly to the woman in the green skirt, i know that i fall inside of healthy weight (6ft @175lbs). however, i suppose that if in a daily work environment one is surrounded by women who are underweight for their work and this is a "norm" in the workplace/ industry then everything else can become relative.

    *tallgirl

  388. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    you never talk about girls being thin or smaller. no one minds the word curvy- its the word "bigger"… bigger in relation to what? your site is great but it already makes girls self conscious of weight so its better just to not point it out at all. if you want that picture to be a normal part of the mix then you dont need to explicitly mention each time you are trying to break free from the norm (ie old lady, curvier girl) good luck

  389. Madeline M.

    March 28, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    "She's not curvy, she has a great body!!!"

    Lord, people make me sick. Since when has the word curvy implied an undesirable body? :(

    I think the words "average" or "normal" aren't very descriptive, and honestly more offensive to me as a truly curvy woman. I'd take "curvy" over "average" any day, and I don't think I'm the minority, especially in a country where the calculated average is actually overweight, and quite frankly, often an unhealthy condition.

    I agree, Scott, with your use of the word "curvy." Sturdy is borderline; rather like describing a man's "childish" features or "rotund" figure, it would be taken by most women to be offensive even if it is an apt description.

    It isn't the words you used; it is that the quality you wanted to point out about this woman's legs is considered undesirable by most women and those possessing typical (curvy but thin) or fashion-derived (androgynous/underweight) aesthetics. Good luck resolving that issue.

  390. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    I commented on this earlier and I put it to The Sartorialist and others – what is the male equivalent of sturdy? Curvy? Bigger? Has it ever been used on this blog to describe the men featured here?

  391. armani. yes, for real.

    March 28, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Re: "Curvy"
    I believe due to the emphasis that magazines/ runways/the fashion industry in general have put on the word "curvy" has created the opposite effect that the industry originally intended, which was to highlight other body types larger than the traditional "waif". However, I really think that the public has run with this and jumped all over it, whereas now women read "curvy" and instantly think "fat", which is NOT the case. It's almost as if women today are playing right into another "media" trap by thinking this way because they've only seen curvy to describe plus-size models or women whom the media regards as "bigger", which is a shame because 'curvy' can mean so many beautiful things. As someone who is 5'2" and 94 pounds I most certainly consider myself curvy. I have a butt, shapely legs from years of gymnastics, and larger breasts than most of my female peers. So women, STOP BEING OFFENDED BY "CURVY", there's nothing wrong with it! and Scott, Bravo.

  392. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    I think this discussion has in some ways been hijacked by the use of the word "big" and curvy in the same sentence. However, I feel like people have not read the statement in context; describing size in comparison to other bloggers.

    I think the word "normal" would have been in some ways more offensive here. I feel like "normal" has become a word to push back at parts of the fashion industry or Hollywood which perpetuate a singular notion of what shape is beautiful. My problem with this stems from the above issue, that who is anyone to dictate to me what a "normal" girl looks like. If that girl is skinnier/bigger/taller/shorter what does that make me? It implies a sense of abnormality and alienates groups of society who are "too skinny" or "too big" to be normal.I think blogs like this one are fantastic in their ability to work with the real world and portray a variety of stylish people regardless of shape. I don't think, however, it means that we shouldn't be able to comment on the shape and why a certain outfit works on a particular girl. These photos show a girl who has created a beautiful harmony because of her shape. It's that that should be celebrated.

    On a side note, I have legs like Angelika's and now totally want a pair of those shoes. She looks fantastic.

  393. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Perhaps the issue is one of proportion: shoe size relative to length and diameter of leg. I've seen shoes like that on "skinny" legs and the proportions are just off.

  394. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    Based on her choice of pants, this fashion blogger is enjoying the curves in her calf muscles. In a different outfit, this woman could look less "curvy" however she has decided to look "curvy". I find that such fashion choices can be empowering particularly when they buck an industry trend. What is judgmental or nasty about calling her body type "curvy" based on what appear to be curves? She is representing herself as curvy. The slim pant, chunky shoes and over-sized blazers emphasize the fact that her legs are not twigs. This appears to be a confident style choice not a denial of the body that allows her to do her job. I particularly enjoy these photos because as a woman with "generous legs" I find that slim pants look best with a strong shoe. It is nice to see another woman wearing this look.

  395. Karen

    March 28, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    I LOVE that you describe your photos and explain where the balance and flare comes from. I often look at photos of well-dressed women and try to picture myself in those outfits. I'm not a fashion expert, and it's really cool to read this kind of perspective.
    Now, having said that, this is exactly why you should be allowed to say curvy or sturdy or whatever you see there.
    When you said that, I realized that my skinny legs wouldn't have that same cute effect with big chunky shoes. That's what choosing trends is all about. Choosing the right combinations for your body.
    What will happen if we aren't allowed to talk about what we see anymore?
    Sturdy is exactly the effect her legs in those shoes give. And it's fantastic! My legs would just look bizarre, like toothpicks in clogs.
    Why can't he point that out?
    He always comments on proportions and clothes, but only gets slammed if he uses words that people are obsessed with, like bigger or curvy.

  396. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    Uh, after reading Scott's comments on the bottom, I feel I'm walking into a minefield. Since when is it impossible to talk about being larger than a size 10? I like what he said about the shoes, that was right on. Could we skip the rants and just concentrate on what he's trying to show us?

  397. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Hi Scott,
    I'm a longtime fan as everyone above. Any time a person talks about a woman's body, especially if you are a man, you're going to come under fire. Keep doing what you are doing. You are in an industry that consists of individuals who are not exactly mainstream. Thin is in in fashion. It's a fact. There are continually small steps forward and backward. As a 45 year old, average size, average looking woman who is into visual aesthetics of many types, I enjoy your blog daily and have especially enjoyed the recent posts of older fashionistas. The fact that you are posting even one photo of someone who is not 19 and stick-thin, is a plus. Besides: I see real people every day on public transportation. I read this blog to get away from it all for a few minutes during a long work day. -DM

  398. tessarin

    March 28, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Personally I’m okay with the description of curvy, I’m from Brazil and here to be curvy is standard.

    I would have loved to see a image of Angelika looking at the camera, this way we would see her body (sideways can be trick)

    ;)

  399. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    oh god, no more litas. no more litas. no more litas. they are the most over-saturated shoe. most people probably don't know that they were a blatant COPY of a charles anastase shoe. ugh. herd mentality exhibited right here.

  400. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    By posting the picture you are saying she is beautiful to you. That should be enough. You won´t find a word that will please everyone. And that´s ok.

  401. TTT

    March 28, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    Oh dear Scot looks like you have got yourself in a pickle! A word of advice "don't comment on female size" just purely comment on how good they look! My wife is a UK size 10 and to me she is beautiful stylish and extremely attractive but if you snapped her I wonder how you would discribe her!
    Ciao
    T.T.T.

  402. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    It's funny to me that so many people think the real issue is the fact that her body type was even mentioned. When Scott did a post on an older woman (with the beautifully tied scarf) and he used the word "old", nobody freaked out that he commented on her age. Why is it that age can be talked about but not size?

  403. Love LuLu

    March 28, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Yes. Finally a girl who isn't 5 pounds soaking wet!

    http://www.luluadores.com

  404. Chloe

    March 28, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    If the word 'Curvy' upsets people, do they get equally upset by the word 'Skinny'? Because that word is used so often to describe women, yet no one ever complains about women being called that.

    The complaints about the wording in this post stem from insecurity, and has nothing to do with being political correct. We are fine being called skinny, yet upset being called curvy as we (mostly women) link curvy to fat, even though this shouldn't be the case.

    Curvy does not upset me one bit, nor does sturdy. It is a correct word to indicate a woman's figure. This lady has curves, therefor she's curvy. Would anyone be upset of she was called tall?! 'Normal' doesn't define anything! I would be rather upset being called normal, I like being defined, so call me curvy, or skinny, or short!

  405. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    I really don't see what the fuss is. The words "bigger" and "curvier" are being used in relative terms by comparing this young lady to other bloggers out there, as was stated. I didn't read it as a negative comparison at all.

    As for Angelika, I agree that she has lovely, shapely legs, which are complemented by her choice in shoes.

  406. Key

    March 28, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    If Angelika would have chosen to wear straight legged trousers instead of skin tight leggings there would be no chatter at all about curves. But the fact that she's chosen not to conceal indicates that she is supremely confident in her body image and we really shouldn't be sitting in judgment.

    If you are going to define a voluptuous woman as curvy then you absolutely have to do the same with a reed-thin woman. I think the issue is not about what you call someone's body type, it's about being singled out as NOT being skinny.

  407. Shannon Johanna

    March 28, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    If curvy is what she is, call her curvy. She looks fantastic. You knew it. We know it. Let's not get caught up in the words.

  408. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    diese Frau sieht doch super aus! Scott, mache weiter mit Bilder von Leute auf der Strasse:
    da laufen schoene schlanke Frauen herum,
    es laufen schoene aeltere Damen herum
    und es laufen Frauen wie ich herum; die schoen sind aber sich nicht mehr erkennen in maedchenfiguerchen in den Zeitschriften; und auch die koennen sich toll kleiden und haltung geben!

  409. pmagoula

    March 28, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    I agree completely with you Scott. I am 125 lbs, 5'7 and curvy. "curvy" defines the lines of my body not my weight or height.

  410. Stacie

    March 28, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    People need to get over themselves and stop being so defensive and offended all the time.

    And am I the only one who doesn't understand why curvy = fat?

  411. Bie M'as-tu vu

    March 28, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    The comments are flying in :-) Great topic Mr. Sartorialist! I love the picture and I'm glad to finally see a healthy fashionably lady! 'Healthy'…let's put it that way instead of 'curvy'? Anyway, would love to read her blog as well.

    Like this kind of conversations!

    http://www.mas-tuvu.blogspot.com

  412. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    The Blonde Mule has, I think, said it best. I think the best way to honour a multiplicity of bodies in fashion would just be to simply photograph and display like any other. I think that there is a potential of reiterating stereotypes and negative generalizations by calling attention to her size, as if it needs to be attended to.

    I agree that there is no such thing as 'normal,' however – just beautiful!

  413. jmb

    March 28, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    I think that a big reason that this has come up is because as you stated above in your UPDATE these angles aren't showing a great deal of the "curviness" that you're referring to.
    When reading this post I too thought "She's curvy?" and had to scroll back up to look at the pics again.
    Other times when you have referred to specific details you are pretty good at showcasing them. In this case you are referring to a "curvy" girl without showing off any of those curves. Lets celebrate them and show them off!

  414. Ana

    March 28, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    honestly, to me the word curvy was allways related to sexy…so I love the word :)

    Ana.

    p.s. greetings from Croatia

  415. Lizzy

    March 28, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    Scott,

    It's obvious that the intentions were pure. I don't agree that the word curvy needs to be replaced with normal. If anything the hoopla is over the fact that neither of these photos reveal a curvy or thick body type, and so noting her body seems gratuitous. If anything pointing out her size doesn't serve as a compliment but just underscores the industry standards that anything over a size 0 is seen as being plus sized.

    I like your site because you highlight the beauty in the unexpected. Again, your intentions were pure, but if you're going to show a curvy girl, give us a CURVY GIRL, if you're going to show a plus sized woman, show a PLUS SIZED woman. Or at least a more demonstrative photo. But when you show someone with slightly thicker calves and call her curvy and atypical of most female bloggers, then we will be caught up in word play.

    Keep up the good work (seriously, we all flub sometimes).

  416. Sasa

    March 28, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    wait, what – she's "bigger"? by a model standard, maybe. she's not a model though, so…

  417. amelia

    March 28, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    Beyond any debate of curvy or not, I find it sad that beyond the analysis of her sartorial choices (a given considering the blog!) her body is even up for discussion in this fashion – as if she's a slab of meat, a piece of art, or somewhere in between. Do men's bodies ever get dissected in this manner, to this degree? No.

    I think I get that this was meant to be a celebration of her "curvy" (?!) figure, but the body analysis and marginalization is sadly predictable… and, as usual, carries with it another tired round of privileged reductivism.

  418. Leigh

    March 28, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    I think you're right about the use of the word "normal" and how that word doesn't really convey any true sense of the word in this context. "Curvy" is tough because it has often been used in the past as a polite way of meaning heavier set. In my mind, curvy means round and if someone referred to me as curvy (I'm a thirty something, 5-11" tall woman who wears anything from a size 8 to a 12, depending on the shop I purchase from) I'd probably take that as a cue to lay off the ice-cream for a little while. Perhaps this reflects my own hang ups about size, I don't know. But I do know this; when I see your beautiful photographs of this girl and see how fantastic she looks, I feel good because her body type is one I recognize in myself (I also find I do better in a stronger shoe, as you put it). And that, gives me a real boost! Thanks for the discussion! Love your blog.

  419. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Scott– There is nothing wrong with "CURVEY". Hang tough!

  420. colordgirl2

    March 28, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    I agree with the posts that ask why comment on her
    body shape at all. I do think that you tend to shoot primarily very thin women, but from what I've noticed, any comment you make is about what the person is wearing. That's the point of the blog, right? Style is style and the size of the person doesn't matter. It's great you're trying to evolve and be more varied in your choices, but please, please, no more overt observations about body type.

  421. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    Anything that isn't malnourished in the fashion industry is called 'curvy' – which we all know is a euphemism for 'fat'. This is something the industry seriously needs to come to terms with, and your gaffe was representative of this. People get outraged over this for a reason.

  422. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    just post the picture – the balance is obvious – just beautiful – nothing "curvy" about it. this is a fashion blog with beautiful pictures – right?

  423. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    I love your blog and the word curvy is fine. You can't please everyone! The woman in these two photos is so beautiful.. please let us know her blog..

    XOXO
    S

  424. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    I agree that the issue is not necessarily the words you chose to use (though "sturdy," "bigger," and "strong" are words few women would like to hear about themselves), but that you felt the need to call attention to this woman's size at all. Imagine how you'd feel if you found yourself on the pages of a blog like the Sartorialist, and your perfectly average size was made the focus. If your message is not that she has great taste (which is the implicit message you send when you post photos with no caption other than a note about location), then there are certainly better ways to discuss the reasons she caught your eye. When you call attention to her (perfectly average) size, you are effectively saying that her good taste works in spite of her body, and that it should be difficult for her to look good in clothes.

  425. Red Red

    March 28, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    I think your intent is absolutely right and enhances the validity of your blog.

    As a guy, I feel your pain on word choice. To be fair, you did say "curvier" and indeed she is. I suppose "sturdy" is debatable. Either way, she's a beautiful woman and your compositions of her are worth sharing. So are your comments.

    Keep going.

    P.S. Does my butt look big in these jeans?

  426. Sarah

    March 28, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    Fabulous photos and I agree 100%, she does have curvy legs and for heaven's sake, there is NOTHING wrong with the word curvy…too much PC these days gets in the way of the conversation and its ridiculous. You are right!!

  427. Clara

    March 28, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    She is absolutely gorgeous. I love how these shoes on her don't look as chunky as on other girls!

  428. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    Scott, you've phrased it the right way, but some people seem to be missing the point here and don't even read what you're actually saying. The fact that almost no one came up with a better word to describe 'curvy' already indicates that there is probably not a good alternative… Great pics!

  429. aga

    March 28, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    I like this post because finally I can see the real street style, not only models and people who means "everything" for fashion world :)

  430. jazzbok

    March 28, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    Hey I have no issue of you calling her curvy! I am so thankful for this post! She looks just like me! We have the same sturdy calves and I always struggle to find the courage to wear big shoes that high! But looking at these 2 images made me realize it IS about body harmony, so thank you, for this inspiring post ;-)

    Lots of love,
    Ling from New Zealand

  431. Kari

    March 28, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Before I say this, I love your blog, style, and sensibility. But I think this post and the reaction to it goes back to a slow, steady shift I've seen in the blog over the years… from real people and street style to a very select group of– generally– wealthy, connected, white, thin fashion types.

    I understand that you don't want to "lose the potential power of this post by being caught up in wordplay," but language has incredible power to shape reality. You are othering her (defining her as abnormal) by discussing her body at length while posting a constant stream of photos of extremely skinny women without commentary. I see where you're going with this and appreciate it… but it's frustrating, because you're one of those bloggers who represents the genre in a narrow way! This smacks of tokenism.

  432. jkozgardner

    March 28, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    I love the word curvy. It's a complement. Shouldn't be taken any other way. And you are right this woman is curvy and looks great!

  433. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    As a "curvy girl", I would say that you could post a picture of this woman and not make a special effort to comment on her body shape like it's some kind of fucking amazing phenomenon to see a fashionable woman of "a certain size".

  434. Audrey Mifsud

    March 28, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    'Curvy' is nothing but a word of description, curvy does not imply FAT. The fact that everyone is making such a big deal about this is why the word has such a negative connotation!
    chill out.
    if you are unstable about your weight, deal with it yourself

  435. Sam

    March 28, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    I love the pictures and the girl's style! I for one don't feel that the word "curvy" has a negative connotation, it's just descriptive of a certain body type. I agree with you on the normality issue, it's difficult to categorize what is normal and what not because body sizes evolve over time. For example when my dad was in high school boys over 6 ft tall were scarce, nowadays they are everywhere and could be considered the standard height. There is no such thing as a normal body type, just what others perceive as being representative or not.

    I would also love to have a look at her blog. Considering her level of style, it should definitely be interesting!

    http://fashionthroughtravel.blogspot.com/

  436. Emma

    March 28, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    I just wish she wouldn't have been labeled, yet I see the point you were trying to make. I am a US Size 6, probably very similar to this woman, and feel this "skinny vs. curvy" struggle everyday. Although your words weren't meant to hurt, its discouraging to be pointed out and labeled "bigger". Maybe one day fashion will be more representative of all shapes and sizes, but until then I guess it will be common to have the bigger girls pointed out for their size, whether it be in a positive or negative way.

  437. Athinela

    March 28, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    I like the word curvy, please dont divorce that word:). You are embracing the shape without judging it. When I read your blog, I wanted to be that woman on the picture. Nobody wants to be normal.

  438. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    seriously, why in the world some people need to consistently make things more complicated because of their own image! you can be "skinny" yet have curves, so why make a "big" deal when describing this most gorgeous woman? did anyone noticed that the writer is giving an example of women who's not afraid to show her power. we men love it!!

  439. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    Is it ironic that i feel offended when ppl overreact (i.e. take offence at this type of thing) at the use of words like "curvy"?
    I´m curvy, and I think I´m pretty sexy.

    About the picture: the girl has a pretty nice… emmm… how does one say it elegantly? derriere? (thats what my 3rd grade gym teacher called it)… and nice legs…
    So she is curvy and statuesque. At least what I consider curvy and statuesque.

    Honestly, in these pics we can't see the rest of her curves because of the clothes, we are just going to have to take the word of the one person that was there, no?

    Peace,
    Aly

  440. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    it appears that you are now bearing the brunt of hundreds of years of the objectification of the female body. i agree that the term 'normal' is a ridiculous adjective and is actually, far more offensive than 'curvy'. women's bodies are curvy – it is a fact and not an insult. i think that most readers here are focusing too much on the words themselves vs. the actual statement, which is merely attempting to break the very stereotype that everyone is instead insisting is being perpetuated. this is accomplished by using the comparative, rather than the absolute. further, i understood the post as a suggestion on how to balance the elements of design, just as one would balance colour, line or shape in fashion, rather than how to balance the body itself. i remain an unoffended fan.

  441. Daniel Katie Nielsen Firstenberger

    March 28, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    shoooooooooooes

  442. S

    March 28, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    I don't think there's anything inaccurate or harsh about any of the words that you used. Perhaps some of your readers aren't familiar with just how skinny and boyish a lot of other women's bodies are- especially in the fashion world.
    What you said was honest and sensitive. She is curvy and beautiful and I don't know why people have a problem with the word curvy. I'm 5'8 and 125lbs and I would call myself curvy even though I'm very slim. As you said, it's all about shape and proportion, not necessarily weight.
    Your posts are always amazing!
    S

  443. camille

    March 28, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    I don't know, i'm not very articulate when it comes to this but i wouldn't call her "curvy" per-say, but i get where you're coming from. To me, she has more of a "womanly, curvaceous, or shapley" figure. I with there were better words i could use but that's what comes to mind. People are so used to the size zero girls being the norm, that when someone is actually featured who isn't necessarily a size 0 or 2, people forget that girls like that still exist and don't know how to label them. I also think what's annoying people is the different connotations that are associated with the word curvy.To you it may mean a good thing, a compliment even, but to most girls like myself it's not necessarily a good thing.

    I don't know but that's all i have to say for my first time commenting on here :)

  444. Gene

    March 28, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    curvy is so sexy! some people just need to grow up. don't listen to those conservatives. hehe.

  445. Maria

    March 28, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    If people complain about "curvy", it is their issue if they find that negative, in wich world are going to live if we can't say curvy. In fact I love the fact that you were writing about your picture which you don't do very often. Curves is what makes the body of a woman Beautiful and different from mens.

  446. Daniela

    March 28, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    God is there really such thing as 'normal'! I thought everyone is 'different'…we live in confusing times…

    Come back to Sydney

    x

  447. InĂŞs M.

    March 28, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    I'm not arguing if she's curvy or not, because I've seen thin women with some nice curves, and bigger women with no curves at all. I know it can be frustrating trying to photograph "bigger" women because most of them will refuse it. Even though they're super stylish and worth to be seen here. I know what I'm talking about.
    I think this girl has great style and there's no need to put a label on her. She's just a beautiful woman, in my opinion.

  448. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    Just love the brouhaha over this! As I read your comments, you were saying she's "bigger and curvier" than most of the bloggers (and I assume you're talking of fashion bloggers). I'll have to take your word for that.

    I should also point out that I found nothing offensive in your initial post (nothing you said detracts from this woman's considerable beauty). It wasn't until I saw the update (which I read before I delved into the comments) that I realized you had a PC war on your hands.

    Just remember, in the words of the immortal Morrissey:

    Some girls are bigger than others
    Some girls are bigger than others
    Some girl's mothers are bigger than
    Other girl's mothers

  449. Mel

    March 28, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    I'm curvy and I am bigger than this beautiful woman and find no offense in your description. I appreciate this post for so many reasons and love to see that size does not make you stylish, confidence does. This woman, like so many others I see on your blog, is confident which makes her; chic, sexy and stylish. Thank you for sharing. I also agree with you about the shoes. Shoes like this are not for everyone. I've always described it from the stand point of scale. This shoe is in scale with her over all height, weight, build or whatever and makes her rock the shoe.

    Now, if anyone can tell me where she got the jeans in the first photo I would love it.

    Thanks!

  450. Evitaruns

    March 28, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    Yes curvy was certainly the wrong word choice…I've been perusing your blog for a short while now and as a "skinny" young lady, even I took offense to the words (bigger and curvier). We hear it and think, big hips! Thick! Certainly not skinny. Perhaps a word/sentence could be something like: she's not as skinny as most of the other bloggers you've seen…
    You are indeed right, "normal" is relative, ahem well semi-relative…haha
    But put things in perspective when you describe someone's size…I mean although not everyone will agree exactly on what beautiful is, most can certainly agree on what beautiful is NOT…aye, you dig!!? haha…
    Keep spreading fashion, beauty, love…
    After living in NY for so long, I'm now stuck in England where fashion sense here is close to nonexistence, so thank you, thank you, thank you!

  451. Coco

    March 28, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    Curvy, normal, whatever… I'd love to have her body!
    xo

  452. Queen Bee

    March 28, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    The girl is amazing! And it's refreshing to see someone here that is not the typical skinny girl!

  453. D.

    March 28, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    Bravo for the wordplay comment. I agree, let's not lose the forest for the trees. While choosing the precise words for issues is important and can be useful, in the end that can be even more limiting. And yes, curvy is a body shape, not a judgment on normality.

    Also, although I fully respect that boy-shaped/thin is its own body type and to be respected, it is difficult sometimes to see only that contingent represented in bloggers (well and fashion in general … but let's not get into that). Bloggers are great because they are 'real people' and so I love to see diversity in them.

    Is this girl fat? No. She's probably even less "curvy" than a lot of women. But she is something different than say Rumi, who is also great. And that's the important part, no matter how you label it.

  454. kimi517

    March 28, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    describing someone's body as "normal" or "healthy" is pointless. Normal in the US is about a 14, which is neither something to aspire to or the definition of healthy. And as stated in Scott's edit, curvy is a body type, by no means a synonym for fat. Maybe instead of feigning offense at his choice of words, you should tone down your harsh criticisms of "disgusting" and "emaciated" and "anorexic" models. I fail to see how your words are less degrading to women

  455. Jessica

    March 28, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    I admit I was taken back by the "bigger" comment. I don't mind curvy, I know I'm curvy and not rail thin, which I don't mind. But seeing her described as "bigger" makes me cringe. I'm guessing that when someone is in the fashion world your view of what is actually normal gets skewed a bit. I agree with the person who said why does her size need to be mentioned at all? It's not like she's morbidly obese. If it wasn't mentioned I probably wouldn't have thought twice about it.

  456. Carmen

    March 28, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    Hi Scott,
    I'm sorry you feel like people want to prevent you from addressing certain things. I think the key issue is the words you used. In my opinion you could have described her shape without making 95% of the female population feel like they are out of proportion. I think there could have been a way to tell us about the perfect relationship between the size of her legs and her shoes without using the words curvy or bigger. But if you would not change your vocabulary, I would understand. If you would have to weigh every word you want to share with us it would take away all the spontaneity you feel while looking at this girl and taking her photo and telling us about it. So… not sure what I'm trying to tell you. Maybe there is a middle road?

  457. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    I admire the power of your images but a lot less the power of your words. After all, it would be highly unusual to have equal talents in both categories!
    Today is the best illustration of my point. The photographs spoke for themselves. The only thing you achieved by adding your comment was to take the focus off what you were trying to show and start an unnecessary bickering. Just my 2 cents. It's your blog and you can obviously do as you wish.

  458. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    God bless you, Scott. I can feel your sincerity on this issue.

    Being a curvy woman myself, I have absolutely no issue with the word. In fact, I'm always struck by how thin most of the women are in the photos you post. In the fashion world, the "tribe" seems to value extreme thinness. That's fine. But it makes feeling okay about anything other than a super-thin body very difficult. I'm sure time and evolution will change that.

    Thank you for contributing to the dialogue. I think this woman is gorgeous. Now if we can just stop calling women "girls," we'll really be on our way to something… :)

  459. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    I will admit, at first I was a little offended by your use of the term "curvy" to describe this girl…mostly because when I looked at the picture, I felt my body looks almost exactly like this girl's, and at at size 2, I would never use that term to describe myself. After reading your comment, I do understand your use of the term much better and it definitely makes sense. I feel that most people read "curvy" as code for chubby or even overweight in the world of fashion. This may not be the intent, but it is certainly the interpretation many have. I'm sure many who had a negative reaction to your use of the term identified with this girl's body more than they do with the typical conception of a model's figure. I suppose the key is looking at the term more objectively.

  460. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    What's wrong with the word curvy? I'm curvy – 5 foot 6, 140 pounds and damn proud of it. I'm a health & fitness writer for a major metropolitan daily, have run 7 marahons and countless halfs (will do one in 2 weeks.) How many uberskinny fashionistas can claim that? How many pc-curvy girls can, for that matter? You keep using the word curvy, Scott. There's nothing wrong with it.

  461. A-T-G

    March 28, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    Thanks for asking for assistance on your word usage.

    I love the pictures you took – that girl is stunning! I absolutely see what you were talking about with her bold shoe choice (points for working in them, too!). I'm almost positive (having not been there myself) that the subject of your photos was, in fact, curvy. In that she possesses gorgeous hips that extend in a pleasing curve past her waist. That her legs have well formed lines of muscle – that curve, and that her booty is banging (you can totally tell from that second pic)! These are all classic definitions of a curvy woman. So, using that measure, you were not wrong to use that word. Your photos may not have been from an angle that showcased the very curves you were drawn to.

    However (ah, the caveat), writers about and followers of fashion tend to use the word 'curvy' to be polite about PLUS – a woman of much larger proportions (I'd use LUSH to describe my ample frame! It just sounds decadent and yummy). Hence – your use here triggering this response. In the eyes of many you have taken a striking woman and labeled her as LARGE & in fashion that is BAD. It also, makes those of us even more um…curvy…balk. The disconnect between what is shown to be fashionable in magazines and what we, as everyday consumers, think of as normal if vast. Your comments on her 'sturdy' legs and 'bigger' frame bring that disconnect into sharp focus.

  462. Ana

    March 28, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    I don't think there is anything wrong with the word curvy. As one curvy girl myself, I am proud of the term. Women like Scarlett Johansson or Selma Hayek would be considered curvy and the last time I checked, they are babes. You have this curvy girl's permission to continue to use the term.

  463. MYRMECOPHILA

    March 28, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    she looks AMAZING!

  464. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    never commented before and remain a fan of your blog and the beautiful images you find and post here. Let me echo what several people have said before – it's not so much the choice of words ( personally I like 'curvy', but 'sturdy' is a bit harsh, but hey), but that you felt the need to comment about her size at all. Please do post more photos of diverse body types, but without your opinion of their body shape, just as you do the models, fashion editors etc etc. sadly it has left rather a bad aftertaste.

  465. MusaBenedetta

    March 28, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    You asked for feedback on your use of the word 'curvy' to describe this blogger. I think that the strong reaction may be due to the fact that, in North America, at least, the term has come to be synonymous with 'over-weight' or 'plus-sized', which this young woman clearly is not. It is unfortunate that the meaning of the word has become so misused, but there it is.

    I do understand your argument against using the term 'normal', because 'normal' is completely subjective. 'Average' might be a better term, because it can actually be backed up by data. However, in North America this young woman would probably actually fall below what is technically 'average'. And then, the average size in Europe, and other parts of the world, probably differs from that in North America, so for a blog with International readership, even this could be problematic.

    It is a touchy issue, to be sure. As for me, I'm not sure why we have to have terms for different sorts of beauty, or why we feel the need to sort and label women in such a manner. You could have made a post discussing the fact that this young woman dressed her body well, without having to label it at all, in my humble opinion.

  466. Anna

    March 28, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    I love her shoes! they are absolutely gorgeous
    theultraviolette.blogspot.com

  467. Kimberly

    March 28, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Ok, I am 5'3, 140 pounds, 32E and hips to go along with it. I am curvy? YES! How would I like to be described? Maybe womanly? I don't have a problem with curvy, even voluptuous. People need to stop worrying about other peoples words and appreciate their bodies and all of its capabilities! BUT like The Fancy Teacup says, maybe you should just skip the words all together-but keep those pics coming! I love to see fashion on a woman who has a womanly figure!

  468. Lauren Hiser

    March 28, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    i think curvy is a wondrous word. curves make a woman. an hourglass figure is a sexy one and to those asked to ever describe an hourglass (the object) in 5 words or less, 'curvy' will undoubtedly be on that list. If you will, blogreaders, Please quit begging for normality to be focused upon. Everyone is just different. Accept that. don't take anything personally, it will exhaust you.

    -lo
    http://www.herwhitehat.com

  469. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Thank you so much. She is beautiful. Love seeing a blog that doesn't make me want to be one size, but rather appreciate that people are all sizes.

  470. tee

    March 28, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Here's her blog:
    http://nyheter24.se/modette/angelicablick/

    I guess she is marginally bigger than most of the girls on this blog, but I certainly wouldn't describe her as curvy. If she's curvy, then what does that make me? And 90% of the people I know?
    I agree with most of the comments… I really don't think it was appropriate to comment on this girl's body at all. It would be great to see shots of more diverse body shapes, but I think your commentary just reinforces the insane body standard of the fashion industry.

  471. Rosemary

    March 28, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    I love these pics, and I love that she's not emaciated, but instead of calling her "bigger, curvier", couldn't you just have said "I love this blogger because she doesn't seem to feel the need to look like a model herself" or "she's not emaciated". That's rare enough in itself.

  472. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    I, too, love the post, and thanks for pointing out the body harmony she created with her shoes. I think the post was intended to point out how balanced she looked with the chunky shoes, not to highlight her body type, curvy or "normal" not. It is a shame that nowadays people are so defensive about the word curvy, and that it represents "fat" or worse "flabby". To me, she is just toned, since I really can't tell if she is curvy or not based on the profile.

    Thanks for the post, as always. Big fan of yours!

  473. Anne

    March 28, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    "Help me describe this young lady without using the word "normal," but in a way that addresses her body size and still references my point about the size of her legs relative to her shoes."

    Don't. Don't mention her size at all. Appreciate her outfit, appreciate her style, don't comment on her figure since there is absolutely no need for you to do so. Why does it matter?
    You frequently post pictures of very thin women without any commentary on their weight, so why would you comment on this girl? That, to me, reinforces the notion that she is in some way "abnormal" for looking healthy.
    If you MUST say something, use "athletic" or "strong." Not "sturdy" (which is especially offensive here because you contrast it with "dainty" shoes).
    If readers request you to post pictures of curvier girls, do so. I fail to see why you feel the need to provide commentary? If you post a picture of a stylish, slightly fuller woman people will come to the conclusion that she is beautiful by themselves, there is no need for you to point it out.

    I love your blog, but I've noticed that I love it more when you just post pictures without the blurbs of writing.

  474. Érika de Pádua

    March 28, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    Loved the post! Just got confused with "curvy" since I thought it described women with large bosom and hips and tiny waists like Tura Satana, Marilyn Monroe or even Christine Hendriks :)

  475. Hannah JV

    March 28, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    Turn the tables for a second and re-write your above post with a portly man. Perhaps a man with a middle-aged belly and a bit of a chin.

    "I am proud to be a blog that is showing men of different sizes."

    It would just sound odd and weird to make a comment like that. Because men's bodies aren't discussed and scrutinised like females are.

    How about you just post pictures of well dressed people, instead of commenting on their body shapes?

  476. Elisa

    March 28, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    What is wrong with the word curvy? To have curve and shape is desirable,no? Dita Von Tesse has curves not because of her weight; she doesn't have any extra, but for her divine shape. Breast and hips the shape, the curve of a woman are beautiful why is the word being seen with such negativity? Merci for the photos Scott and please don't stop posting photos of beautiful woman, young or old curvy or not.

  477. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    I would say she is pear shaped because her bottom half is bigger than her top half. I have a body shape like that, and i wish my body was more proportional.
    shes definitely not fat, and i guess he wider hips and thicker legs would instantly allow commentators to describe her has curvy.

    but from her outfits its hard to tell if she has large breasts, which would complete our definition of curvy. she certainly doesn't dress 'curvy sexy' no wrap or tube dresses, instead shes opted from a similar wardrobe to that of Garances. 'cool, chic, a little masculine' … retro, palefaced and bordering on bohemian…
    itd be nice to see what she wears when she wants to be all dolled up.
    cheers

  478. Leila

    March 28, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    I love your blog, and I appreciate the diversity in age, but the majority of the women featured are on the skinny side of the bell curve. Seeing a woman who is squarely at the top of the curve treated as exceptional (curvy is unfortunately a euphemism for fat, even if you didn't mean to use it that way) is really annoying. I guess we're all just a little jaded, because we've been seeing this kind of tokenism in the fashion industry for years, but nothing has changed. In the end you featuring this lovely woman who's a little bit heavier than the industry standard is a step in the right direction, but it's a baby step. In the meantime, I will continue to enjoy your blog and hope for more women of all shapes and sizes.

    PS, If you want to photograph a woman who's fashionable and fat, rather than curvy; I hang out in the east village : )

  479. Nadine

    March 28, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    I love her legs. She's gorgeous!

  480. BeckoningFrolic

    March 28, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    I am stuck at BIG, curvey does not have to mean 'bigger' girl – nor is it a kind way! She is beautiful.

    Curves can just mean she is not straight up & down – a figure!

  481. Hot Sauce

    March 28, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    The fact that we even have to have a discussion about weight- how to quantify it, what is "normal", what is "curvy"- is the real issue. A "good" weight is one that is medically healthy for your height and age. End of discussion. Just don't point it out. As you said, you posted photographs of elderly women- which is lovely because real style is timeless- but you never had to make a direct comment on their age to let us know they were old. Just like fashion/style/beauty be what is it.

  482. Amy

    March 28, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    it's true, things often get all caught up in semantics. people tend to attach value judgments to certain words, such as "curvy". but really, "curvy" is simply a descriptor, scientific in where it derives its meaning. i think your use of it was not meant to be a value judgement, to say that she is an outsider. it is simply saying that she is not of the majority of women in the fashion industry, whose bodies would not fit this descriptor term. (the term "majority" is also not meant to have a value judgement attached to it..)

    haha anyhoo aside from all that, i do love that you keep showcasing the variety of people in fashion!
    truly, one of the most inspirational parts of your blog is that you show all sorts of people. their faces, bodies, personalities are all so exquisite already that fashion only brings that out to the forefront.

  483. songbird

    March 28, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    http://www.youngfatandfabulous.com/ this blog may give you an idea as to what curvy is in the real world..this woman you have described as "curvy" is not skinny size 0-2..but is in no way more than size 4.

  484. u u

    March 28, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    I am really unsure this will get published but anyway I have had this question (not criticism btw) – why do you never shoot so called 'skinny' girls? Yes, on the catwalk, of course. But I mean on the street. I've witnessed you working on the street of Milan and you never stopped a girl (a usual one, not a blogging celebrity) to take a picture. Is this a conscious decision? Are you afraid to be accused of sth? Or a matter of personal taste in women? Because I see you have some photos of men who can be considered skinny but none of them women.

  485. Cristina

    March 28, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    I don't even think an explanation is warranted of you. You explained yourself well in your initial post saying, she was curvier than most of the other women in the fashion blogging genre. You clearly weren't generalizing about the rest of Western society. And there is nothing wrong with the word curvy, it's a great description. I'm 5'0 108 lbs and consider myself curvy.

    Keep doing what you're doing! I'm minoring in Women's Studies so I am sensitive to these type of subjects. There are very few people in the "mainstream" that are able to combine fashion and a good representation of women the way you do. The posts of the beautiful older women was genius.

    Rock on!

  486. chris

    March 28, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    Tough call, Scott. any way you phrase it way you'll catch some flack on this one. Bottom line is she's got great style, she pulls it off and you posted it. it's what you do. job [well] done.

  487. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    I think that if we are looking for a "modern" way to speak about size than we are missing the point of what is actually modern. To say this girl is not like most "idustry girls" of course may be something true but not truthful. This girl may be "curvy" but would you call a skinny girl skinny? No, she would just be a girl who is interesting to us because of the way she has presented herself. Though this girl is not -skinny, it is not her size that make her stand out but the way in which she has dressed her own self. To speak about things then, in a modern way would be not to label a body but to speak about whatever it is that makes a person distinct as an individual. What makes a person truly attractive is not a matter of standards; size, age, race, etc. Instead it is a matter of personality, of something internal expressed externally in our material world. What is most intersting about this post is that it reveals how though we have tried, we are still working through our inherited past which has the tendency to discriminate and standardize which is the biggest threat to our creative and expressive drives. If we are looking for a "modern" way it should be a way of many not one and some.

  488. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    a bis yes for the normal girls!

  489. Me

    March 28, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    There's nothing wrong with 'curvy', to me, it does not denote weight, it represents a shape. She has fabulous shape and that is sometimes hard to find in the fashion idustry. Kudos sir, love it

  490. EmmaLee

    March 28, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    I'm not sure when "curvy" became a dirty word, but I did not find your description offensive. Because you are comparing her shape to that of the average fashion blogger, it makes sense. Obviously, your readers find her shape lovely and were crestfallen at your seeming fault-finding. You'll have to forgive the knee-jerk reaction, as the fashion world has done much to keep this area sensitive.

    That said, thank you for your gracious and sporting response to the complaints. Your willingness to take it all in stride and address the issue directly does much to elevate the tone of your blog. What a delight to have a genuine discussion about an issue that people encounter every day. This reader appreciates your engagement!

  491. YOUNG BLOOD

    March 28, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    am I the only one who agrees with Scott?

    she is indeed curvier than most bloggers or fashion models.

    there is no doubt that she looks gorgeous and indeed "normal", but her legs ARE curvy. it's a spot on description. Wish everyone would lighten up a bit.

  492. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    I love this girls style but why make any comment to her body. I respect this blog and love you're photography but as a women it's just offensive that if you are not considered "model thin" your body has to be called into question. Why not just comment on her clothes? You rarely make comments about very thin girl I never see phrases like " Knobby knees" or "Bony shoulders"

  493. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    I agree with The Sart! By saying this girls is bigger and curvier than most of the other bloggers he is right on the money…
    It has nothing to do with "normal" and by posting her, he is already saying that she looks great. Chill out!

  494. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    Totally agree with the idea that a 'strong' body needs 'strong' shoes. I have this curvy legs and I feel stupid and not myself when I wear shoes that are, I don't really know hoe to call them… 'delicate'.

  495. Joan

    March 28, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    Why mention the weight/size/curviness at all? What is your point? Why not let beauty be beauty and fashion be fashion?

  496. Candice

    March 28, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    This blog has been my homepage for about three years now. I love that your blog features people of all ethnic and cultural backgrounds, ages and a variety of styles (urban, rural, eccentric, classic etc etc etc). The entire fashion industry has some work to do with regards to promoting healthy body images, but so does the general North-American public. A healthy body does require a certain amount of discipline, which many of us seem to lack.

    The theme of the above comments seems to be "Are you calling her fat?" I really don’t have the impression that you are. Objectively-speaking, if we don't differentiate between ultra-thin and size 6, then by which standard will we determine what IS a healthy body? While I agree with most of your posters that her body looks beautiful and healthy (and more so than the typical model), the idea that calling her curvy is misappropriating the word implies that "curvy" does mean "fat", ergo there is some weight/size/shape which represents an undesirable body type, with which they do not wish to be confused. Pot-kettle-black?

    I will keep your blog as my homepage. True style is an artful celebration of one's individuality. I feel that you have done a fabulous job of demonstrating that.

    Sincerely,
    The size 6/8 daughter of an anorexia survivor :)

  497. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    This lady IS curvy. Curvy means having curves and yes, this girl HAS them. And this is GOOD.

    and I am definitely larger than she is and no, curvy does not mean BMI 35+, honestly.

    I LOVE being called curvy, but in no way I can ever be called fat. or skinny, for that matter.

    so, again. curvy is not an euphemism for fat. curvy is curvy and fat is fat. curvy is this girl compared to the old lady in cream fur coat some posts ago – she is slim, if not skinny. curvy is not Oprah – she is overweight.

  498. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    Not trying to be critical here but to honestly answer your questions! The problem for me came with "sturdy but beautiful"–your "but" implies that sturdy isn't usually beautiful. Plus "sturdy" is definitely a not-so-kind euphemism for even less kind terms. Do we ever comment on all the legs that DON'T look sturdy in the least? Sturdy is what should be the starting place for legs: they hold you up. So basically everybody has sturdy legs except the too-thin or those with a disability affecting the sturdiness of their legs. But I don't think that's what you meant by sturdy. Maybe if you want to focus on how nice she looks in those pants and shoes (which I do believe was your intent) you could just say that it's refreshing she's not a skinny-minnie and that the shoes give a nice balance to her beautiful legs.

  499. Lin

    March 28, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    wow, more than 400 comments…I can't get through them all so I'll just say what I have to say and risk being redundant.

    My problem is that from these photos I really can't agree that she's a bigger/curvier female. I'd guess she's a size 6 or 8? At most? She does look very normal/average to me, so I don't think her size even needs to be mentioned. She doesn't need a term. I think that's where the root of my problem is – that you're so skewed with the model thin look that you think this woman's size even needs to be addressed in the first place.

  500. Marta

    March 28, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    "I am proud to be a blog that is showing women of different sizes."

    But it isn't. You do great work on different ages, I am thrilled to see grey-haired and mature women on your blog, as well as very young fashionistas, but you do have a glass ceiling about sizes and it seems to be – at most – size ten. Check out Nicolette Mason, for example, and see a fat fashionista. We are not invisible.

  501. Sydney Robyn

    March 28, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Regarding your update, I must confess that I find it problematic that you take issue with the word "normal" (though I agree wholeheartedly with your reasons) but were content to use the words "Bigger" and "curvier" which also point to a perceived body norm.

    I think, if you are looking for adjectives, thinking in terms of "how big must one's curves be to be to be curvy" introduces a troubling dichotomy – either you are a rail or you are curvy. I personally loathe the term curvy due to its general abuse: I do think it has become a euphemism for fat.

    This girl's legs appear muscular, in my opinion, but if this is not the case, I think the ownness is on the photographer (particularly when you are going to make a deliberate comment regarding your perception) to ensure your photos capture accurately that perception.

  502. Lindsey Leigh

    March 28, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    I'm just glad you were well prepared for nearly every person to type the exact same thing about your use of words to describe this woman.

    She's not big or small or normal or whatever, just aware of the shape she has(as many women are not) and dresses as such!

    Linds
    http://myialife.blogspot.com

  503. Mlle G.

    March 28, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    a) as said, if you would continue on trying to publish pictures of varied sized and curves, everyone will be happy. Leave the same famous milaneese ladies alone and focus on the diversity and visible minorities (you don't show much of them; even this taller/bigger girl is still blonde and white)

    b) also indeed, not needed to say she is curvier (since she isnt curvy. Seriously the medium american woman size is 12). Just saying she isn't the typical fashionista is enough

    c) saying there is no proper defenition for normal is a false debate. Normal is the statistical majority, that's all. And normal women look more like Oprah than the girls you photograph.

  504. Martina Minguzzi

    March 28, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    She's really cool, and definitely curvy, in a beautiful and sexy way. That's it! I think you don't have to pay attention to those kind of claims, keep on Scott!

    http://themissmademoiselle.blogspot.com/

  505. Ali225

    March 28, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Curvy is not an insult, it's a complement. I'm 'curvy', and I love it. On a scale?
    Stick-Audrey- Skinny-Athletic-Grace.K-Curvy-Marilyn-Voluptous.
    We are all fabulous. Maybe we need a graphic, like a brand map, with a horizontal & vertical axis to create a approved description!

  506. Stephanie

    March 28, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    I just had to post a second comment here because this is a great conversation.

    I was one of those commenters who was a bit upset with the original post, mostly because I really do believe that words are important. If people get offended by certain phrases, it's because they care!

    That said, from a practical standpoint I can think of 2 options:
    1) Post the photos without size-related commentary and just let them speak for themselves. (Anonymous 3:51 PM is spot-on here.)
    2) Do what you did with your update, and give us some thoughtful context to chew on! More info about the proportions, etc. of a particular look will give people something to think about rather than react against.

    Looking forward to tomorrow's post!

  507. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    I think the issue here is that in many circles, 'curvy' has come to be a euphemism for 'large' or even overweight, regardless of who the adjective is being applied to and whether or not they are actually above, below, or of 'average' height/weight proportions. this woman appears to be stylish, attractive, and to the excitement of many – not skinny – which makes those of us that are of average dress sizes, not model sizes, feel that we too can be seen as stylish, even if we can't wear model sizes. perhaps in referring to her as 'curvy,' which was meant as a complement and observation, some people may have misread your comment as being a codeword for 'heavy' or 'overweight,' which this woman certainly is not. i don't have a suggestion for how to phrase similar observations in the future, as I don't see anything wrong with your description and I would be quite flattered if I had received such a comment from you.

  508. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    She has curv's its a fact. And she looks great.

  509. LIO

    March 28, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    I'm with the folks who say say nothing. Don't call it anything. The fact that you post a picture on your blog tells us you "like" the look. Or something about the look.

  510. Ute

    March 28, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    I am curvy and the word is totally correct! I Love to Be curvy (and I Love the shoes!)

  511. locavore in the city

    March 28, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    I love this post and thank you for it! Some fashion mags have taken curvy to mean plus-sized. However as a size 6 curvy girl, I say let's take back curvy to mean what it is supposed to mean: that the lines of the body are more rounded than straight!

  512. Prutha

    March 28, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    i think the word curvy is ok to use.. as a really curvy woman i think i wouldn't be offended by it at all..actually i don't get offended much normally until someone is rude about it…like this past fashion week in NYC.. I am a blogger too and i honestly think i have a fucking awesome sense of style which is experimental and different still befitting my body type…i never wear things that dont fit my body properly or out of proportion and yes i did get photographed a little at fashion week but this one time i was in the registration area and i heard a few photographers behind me. one asked the other "how about her?" [talking about me] and the other replied, "no, she's too fat"…thats it… that was uncool… all my excitement of being at fashion week and loving fashion soo much was kinda flushed out of me in 3 seconds.. i didnt go home happy that day, even though i tired to shake it off during the rest of my day at lincoln center.. its just sad.. and u know what, its not even that i am unhealthy or anything…i run marathons for charity each yr and raise money for a great cause.. that shows my fitness level..i am pretty sure a large number of much thinner people can't run 26.2 miles.. so whats wrong with me being fat and healthy?..i feel like representing people of all shapes and sizes as beautiful is the responsibility of street fashion photographers, fashion magazines and casting agencies for runways [and for that matter everyone on this planet] ..but u cant promote it till u believe it yourself…

    this is a fab [not fat..lol]post, and im sorry if i wrote too much… but its a topic close to heart.

    http://donotshoeme.blogspot.com/

  513. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    well, seem to me the whole issue of defining size is more war of words rather then addressing the essence.

    we are talking about images taken of real life women casually seen out there in whatever life's situation. models on runway and in editorials are carefully chosen few individuals to present the concept clothing on the concept body, so to say.

    by concept body i mean deliberate preference in pronounced linear appearance of the model's body. in other words in means an absence of curves and absence of character and life experience in the features. they are detracting factors on the runway.

    really, we are looking at young teenagers who are selling designer's concept to an age group that more often then not can be their mothers. in any case i have hard time understanding the desire to apply presentational rule of industry to real life wearer. as a result what we have is self-imposed demand to look like a model.

    an artificial opposition of runway demands versus real life in actuality serves no benefit to anyone. in my view it is self imposed confusion deriving from desire to look one's best.

    have anyone bothered to access how it is actually working for the older population looking model thin? in my opinion an older or maturing, if you will, person who is too thin just look frail in real life. pictured girl is actually looking healthy. apparently she is well adjusted individual who is comfortable with her own image and have no inclination to resemble photoshoped images in mags.

    there shouldn't be a single standard for non runway populace since individual body characteristics are so widely varied. that's the heart of the conflict, i think. the arsenal of styling approaches is so minutely developed it can accommodate any body shape and help to create a harmonious look at any age. this blog is a proof of it.

    if the words are such culprit why we are not using words like "healthy", "actual", "real", "present", "current"? does it have to be a flattering overtone implied by default? why foster unease? the word "curvy" in my opinion is actually fostering that unease.

    this blog is doing an excellent job of prodding the thought process behind the issues that are made visible though style.

    many thanks.

    ruski boy in america.

  514. aaryn b.

    March 28, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    I, too, was disappointed at your choice of description. I didn't have a problem with the "curvier" remark, considering you (and the rest of the media) largely feature women who could stand to put on some weight (to put it mildly). But "bigger" as if she is somehow abnormal; and "Sturdy but beautiful," as if sturdy isn't beautiful in the first place, were the adjectives that set me off.

    This woman is beautiful with a body most women would kill for. I think you should have let the focus of your commentary be on her style and left the rest to your viewers who would likely have never given a second thought to whether this woman was terribly different from any of your other subjects.

  515. cricket

    March 28, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    The magic in your images, in this blog, is in the strength of the individual. Without vast amounts of text the images stand alone. You celebrate the strong singular within the collective, but you do it usually without words. Because you understand that we can make our own way to the conclusion, that we can simply be us.

  516. Lali Cristina

    March 28, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    I think you're doing the right: portraying beauty of all types! Keep doing it, that's why you're the master at this, because of your particular vision, and your keen eye.Forget political correctness in terms of adjectives and wording; people will always find the black dot in the white canvas. I love the post just like all the rest. Keep up the great work!

  517. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    lighten up people :)

  518. beths

    March 28, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Then you need to take and post photos of women who are plump and substantial–not obese, but definitely bigger around than Angelika is. Your point about shoes and legs is well-taken, too, but no longer the topic at hand.

  519. My Heart Blogged

    March 28, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    She looks amazing in the shoes.
    My Heart Blogged

  520. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    I agree with others who have said that it would have been a stronger statement had you left out the commentary about her size. Why is it that when a girl who is above a certain size can't just be considered pretty, but usually is said to be "pretty for a curvy girl" (or something along those lines)? In a sense, it feels like you are justifying putting her picture up on your website. I understand that maybe being in the fashion industry you are probably use to seeing rail thin women, but that does not mean that there isn't an average size.
    There are average sizes for women, which in America is a 14, if I’m not mistaken. All women who are a size 14 may not look the same, but it is still an average, so maybe a better term to use (other than normal) is Average. I don’t think it is fair to only use the word normal when talking about women who are the average size because women come in all shapes and sizes and by saying that a woman who is a size 14 is normal it kind of gives that feeling that those who are below or above that size are abnormal. That is a whole different thing.
    I've been looking at blogs and the one thing I love about blogs that are so different from magazines is that the women on these blogs come in all different shapes, ages, sizes, and colors. There are bloggers who are the same size as me, some who are bigger and smaller, from different cultures and different parts of the world and the one thing we most definitely share is our love of fashion. Thankfully, unlike magazines that make a big deal about featuring a size 6 "plus size" model for one month out of the year, I can look at these blogs and get style inspiration from normal women. When I say normal women, that includes all sizes.

  521. particulière

    March 28, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    I find the fact that you point out her body shape irritating. it is a little bit like saying "look, she's curvy. but we like her ANYWAY." Is that the message you want to deliver?

    also, refering to her as "bigger girl" is simply wrong. hell, she may not be a size zero, but that does not make her a "bigger girl" – come on!

    a better way to decribe her legs would be "toned".

    all the best, emma

  522. the polish chick

    March 28, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    sweet lord, people, do get over yourselves. last time i checked the word "curvy" was hardly pejorative. it is simply a descriptive term for a woman who, unlike most anorexic models out there, celebrates her curvy girly bits.

    having said that, i think the second outfit makes her look gorgeous, while the first cuts her legs short and makes her look chunky and short-legged even though it is perfectly obvious that she is neither.

    ok, now you can beat me up over the use of the word "chunky" seeing as it's apparently de rigeur to throw a hissy fit over perfectly acceptable descriptive language.

  523. SheaBug

    March 28, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Unfortunately, in a culture that doesn't value a wide range of body sizes, we don't have a healthy and non-inflamatory vocabulary to discuss any variance in size- call someone thin, skinny, normal, sturdy, curvy, or fat and there will be a bit of uproar, because we usually hear those words negatively, not positively (as you're so wonderfully attempting).

    If you're interested in a little reading, there are awesome books out right now about reclaiming healthy language around body size. Fat Studies (The Fat Studies Reader, specifically) deals not only with fat but with all body size difference. It's totally enlightening and makes one wince less often and think more openly when discussing how to discuss body sizes and their inherent beauty.

    I thought your post was great. And I'm FAT.

  524. Bethany Struble

    March 28, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    being curvy is beautiful and people need to stop being sensitive about words. im as thin as a rail and i would LOVE to have more curves on me!
    stunning woman and beautiful body.
    and youre right.. who are we to say whats normal.
    we were all created perfectly
    its sad we have to be careful of what we say all the time. its exhausting actually.

    xx
    Bethany

  525. Rebecca

    March 28, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    Scott,

    You asked your readers what word you should have used to describe Angelika Blick, since "curvy" does not fit the bill. So far, I'm not sure that anyone has answered your question.

    You could call her fit, athletic, muscular, toned, or gorgeous.

    The reason why people are balking at your use of the word "curvy" is because at this point, in our cultural lexicon, "curvy" does not refer to a body like Christie Brinkley's. It now means something different. It is referring to a body type that is often called voluptuous, or in some cases, is unfortunately referred to as heavy or chubby or fat.

    The other reason why people are balking at your choice of words is because your choice is words is informed by a skewed perspective that 99% of people living on this planet cannot relate to. It is the perspective of the fashion world. In the fashion world, an American size zero is average and anything larger, whether it is a 4 or a 14, is "big". But you are a street photographer. I know that you attend a lot of fashion events and therefore your camera passes over a great deal of models and girls who aspire to look like those models. But because you are, essentially, a street photographer and strive to capture style on the street, please understand that many of your readers wish that you could look at size the way most people walking down an urban street do, so that we do not feel alienated by your blog.

    You might be wondering how to shift your perspective, so that your idea of what is thin and what is average and what is "big" is more reflective of what your readership can understand. I think that the only way to do this is to take and post pictures of fashion that you see on the street, truly looking past the shape of the body wearing that fashion. I love your site, but let's not kid ourselves. The majority of your pictures are of girls who wear a size zero. I have lived in New York, and London, and San Francisco, and I know for a fact that while there are some fashionable girls on the street who wear a size zero, there are just as many who wear a size four, and just as many who wear a size eight, and just as many who wear a size fourteen. Maybe clothing drapes differently on a size fourteen body than originally intended by Karl Lagerfeld, but that's what makes that size fourteen interesting and real; it makes for a moment many of us do not see photographed and admired. Once you start snapping photos of women judging only their style and not their size, you'll begin to see that, empirically, there are just as many eights as zeros. And then, your perspective will shift and you'll see a size 6 and know that it is actually a bit smaller than average in NYC. And you'll see a size 12 and you'll call her curvy and your readers will understand what you mean when you use that word.

    - Rebecca

    rebeccapalermo.com

  526. Amity

    March 28, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    In addition to what most people have said about "sturdy" being very unflattering and that maybe you shouldn't have said anything about size in the first place, I feel you have sort of condemned her from ever wearing a smaller shoe…and given the size of the Litas, it's unlikely that she will be able to avoid that for long.

  527. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    I really appreciate your follow up to this article. I am sick of hearing women, larger than model size, constantly have such a chip on their shoulder about their weight! The nit picking needs to stop. I am by the way 5'7 and a size 10, so I'm not tiny. Seriously, ladies, if you are happy with yourselves then embrace it! If not do something about it but quit calling thin women unhealthy and the like! Quit being offended at ever word which does not make you out to be a goddess! Curvy is a complementary word! That woman in the photo is curvy and she knows it and is gorgeous.

  528. Back to the point!

    March 28, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    If we're done with commenting Scott's twisted view on whats 'big', can we talk about the point he actually tried to make with this post? Regarding how she 'balances the sturdy legs with chunkier shoes' etc. I think what this person commented is SO true:

    "actually the jeans make her legs look shorter and chubbier than they really are and the shoes and the space between the shoes and her jeans reinforce this effect from a styling mishap."

    It's not about the shoes or the legs really, it's just a very bad choice of jeans as they are to short and to tight over the ankles. This makes them look shorter and a bigger than they really are. I've noticed this on myself and on friends who aren't freakishly tall and model-thin. You have to be really tall and skinny to pull those skinny, cropped jeans off. That's all! That is the whole reason Scott erroneously calls her legs "sturdy".

  529. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    I really appreciate your follow up to this article. I am sick of hearing women, larger than model size, constantly have such a chip on their shoulder about their weight! The nit picking needs to stop. I am by the way 5'7 and a size 10, so I'm not tiny. Seriously, ladies, if you are happy with yourselves then embrace it! If not do something about it but quit calling thin women unhealthy and the like! Quit being offended at ever word which does not make you out to be a goddess! Curvy is a complementary word! That woman in the photo is curvy and she knows it and is gorgeous.

  530. Joyce

    March 28, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    520 responses. Hmmm you definately hit a nerve. Last week you didn't say "older" or "mature" and I really appreciated it. So why use an adjective?

  531. toni ann

    March 28, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    It wasn't the word "curvy" that I found offensive, it was your use of "bigger." There is nothing big about this beautiful woman.

  532. sieraaaaa

    March 28, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    I will have to agree with some of the other posts. I don't see the need to mention her body type at all? Instead, why not focus on her style as opposed to her shape.

  533. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Scott, I recently found both your book and blog. I am also from Indiana. I am by no means any kind of "Sartorialist". With the exception of an occasional funeral or Church service, I dress down into blue jeans and T shirt for casual wear everyday. The worst I have to worry about is, Does this shirt match the SHADE of blue of my jeans? Brand names and Fashion Designers means nothing to me (not that I don't have respect for their creations).
    What attracted me to your book and blog is the COLOR of the clothing of the people in your photographs. Color, and color compliments and color contrasts, are some of the first things I like to notice about clothing.
    I am an artist, though not professional. I am self taught, ever since the age of four. One way to teach yourself to draw and paint is to look around you in this world and to see things as they TRULY are. Hopefully, somewhere along the way, you will fall in love with how things really are -shapes, colors and perspective. There is just as much beauty in the wrinkle patterns of an elderly person's face as there is in the FORM of a young woman' body (try explaining THAT to your group of male friends in High school. Yes, I was an outcast and loner)!
    I have been approached through out my life by people who wanted "quick" lessons on how to see and draw. If it was a guy, they wanted to know how to draw a woman, sometimes to attempt to draw a portrait of their girlfriend. I would start to instruct them by saying, "So, do you see the outside edge of the shape of her body, her overall form? This is what you need to see to capture her exact likeness. Do you see how her body CURVES here, and here, and here…?
    Scott, to notice the curves of a woman's body doesn't always have to be about lust, but it ALWAYS has to be about seeing how people and things are shaped in the world. SHAPES add to the beauty of this world. It is being childish to have to argue over which is the CORRECT word to describe a curve, except to call it what it is, a curve.

    Keep up the good work on your blog.

  534. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Sturdy legs are good for business,look how many posts have been recorded.P.S.would Jane Russell be consider curvy in 2011?

  535. Janie

    March 28, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Thanks for your post. I saw nothing offensive in it all – you described her as beautiful. I am very curvy and have very strong muscly legs. I completely agree that you need balance in dressing, and that this will look different depending on your body shape. It is excellent that you notice balance so often in your posts. It is a key thing in people dressing well. Thanks very much.

  536. Hollyrobotic

    March 28, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    I read something on Garance's blog fairly recently – she said that at the start of the shows she's constantly thinking how thin all the models are, then a week in, and she's used to it. I think this has more to do with the fact that so many people in the fashion world are very slim, and so it comes as a surprise when someone isn't the same.

    Normal is a fallacy and we all know that!

    This blog is surely about individual style, and our bodies are an intrinsic part of that – the thing is whether you work with your shape or not, and that applies to slim, curvy, tall short.

    Body Harmony is a great phrase.

    Thanks Scott!

  537. Lnchou

    March 28, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    I don't know if you'll ever read this but for once I'd like to comment.

    I wasn't too shocked by the use of the word "curvy", and I think the comparatives "bigger" and "curvier" are accurate (come on, models are really, really thin!).

    I agree with a previous comment that using "but" instead of "and" could be taken as an offense. Also I wouldn't say that she's "big", but neither did you.

    I think that some readers should accept the words "curvy", not related to the weight, but only the shape of the body. I'm not skinny but could be considered as slim, although I do feel curvy (think about the new line of jeans from Levi's…).

    You don't need to be big or fat to be curvy, and vice-versa, and curvy shouldn't be taken as an offense. To me, curvy is more womanly, maybe sexier, than the skinny-no-hips-no-chest girls we often see, but is by no means related to the weight of the person.

  538. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    the best way to avoid being caught up in wordplay is by not playing with it.

    curvy is – let's not be children – a polite euphemism for large, big, etc etc. curvy isn't a term describing the gentle curve of a slight calf, we're talking rubensque, voluptuous. Nothing to be ashamed of, and no need to hide it under the ambiguity of words, and then blaming each other for not gettign what we were trying (not) to say.

    but the lady in question – how about athletic? that is how she appears. she's got some strong legs, built for running, built for strength and power.

    we'd all have a much easier time if we didn't get so flustered about our bodies…

  539. shelly

    March 28, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    I think it was surprisingly insensitive to comment on her legs as "sturdy" and in need of a strong shoe to balance them out. Perhaps women are more sensitive to this than men (surely so), but it helps to be aware of this. If I were her, I'd be mortified to have been featured on your amazing site with this commentary below the photographs. The girl is gorgeous and her legs do not look at all "sturdy" or "curvy" to me. She looks like your average tall, gorgeous supermodel or fashion industry insider with long, fabulous legs. In any case, if you are going to discuss body type, it would help to have a real example of a curvy woman with sturdy legs. She is not that. Also, you should warn your subjects if you are going to discuss their bodies in this way on such a high-profile site.

    Love your site despite this sincere critique, Sartorialist.

  540. Dorothy Cheng

    March 28, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    I think the issue is the use of the phrase "sturdy but beautiful" with the implication that her legs are beautiful despite their shapeliness, instead of beautiful because of it. Sturdy, in general, just doesn't come off as a positive word to describe a woman's body.

  541. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    The important thing here is what is the name of her blog? Please give us the link.

  542. Julia

    March 28, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Scott, I read this blog almost everyday and usually love it. This post is problematic, not because you're talking about size, but because of your logic.

    If Angelika must wear a strong shoe to balance her "sturdy" legs, would you then advocate model-sized women (whom you usually photograph) steer away from a big shoe, which would overwhelm their small legs?

    The point is that anyone who is larger than a model (which you are using here as the norm) must follow certain rules to cover up or balance "problem spots". Meanwhile, models can wear whatever they want. Fashion shouldn't only be open and fun for those sized 0. Women should not have to compensate for not being 5' 11'' and weighing 110 lbs.

  543. K

    March 28, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    The descriptive term "bigger" is certainly not flattering, nor is a "neutral" term that should be used lightly. My main problem with these kind of comments is that, yes, you're right, there is no "normal" – but to use a term like "bigger" suggests that there is. Someone's body can't be qualified as "bigger" without some norm to measure it against(i.e. how would you know to refer to something as bigger or smaller unless there was a normative and socially-constructed ideal somewhere in the middle?). This normative ideal is never mentioned as such; rarely on your blog do you mention how "tiny" or "non-curvy" someone is, so why would you point out how "big" and "curvy" someone is? It just sucks that skinny girls are accepted as such (as normative), while girls with more "normal" features have to be pointed out as "bigger."

    Sorry to be harsh – I really do love your blog and you often do document non-normative beauty (racial and age difference, mostly). It would be nice though to see more shape and less skinny upper-middle class women.

  544. Julie Prichard

    March 28, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    I don't think it's necessary to mention it at all..why apply those adjectives? Especially when they can be interpreted as derogatory? I vote leave them out.

  545. Addie K

    March 28, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    "So help me understand; what is the modern way to speak about size?"

    Well, you've clearly missed the point of so many thoughtful comments: The Sartorialist is primarily a style blog so readers are looking for commentary on Angelika's style, not her size. Comparing Angelika's size to others (in fashion industry or not) is objectifying and demeaning, period. When was the last time you compared the size of one man to another?

  546. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Hear, Hear!! I applaud you for updating the content of your blog on this topic!
    There is nothing wrong with being called 'curvy' in my opinion. Women have curves – isn't that the whole point? Isn't that the lure of their beauty? Isn't that what makes them physically different to men?
    You have taken a beautiful shot of a beautiful woman and commented on how her shoes compliment the shape of her body. I see nothing wrong with that.
    Also, you have made a point of how she uses the shoes to greater effect – which is the point of your blog in the first place, right?
    How to use clothes to express and represent ourselves in everyday life?
    Don't listen to the haters. The shots are fabulous. The girl is fabulous and the shoes are fabulous!! AND CURVY!

  547. Tara

    March 28, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    I don't get why other commenters think that the better option would have been if you hadn't left any commentary. That's obviously not a viable option since you explicitly stated that you wanted to discuss the harmony between her leg shape and her shoe.

    I think that your description is perfectly fine. Your use of the adjectives "bigger" and "curvier" do not mean "fat" because you specifically described her in these terms IN RELATION to an unusually skinny group of people. If you had simply said she was a bigger and curvier person in general then it would have been problematic.

    On that note, great job!

  548. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    If this is Angelika Blick, as several commenters have said then I believe 'sturdy' was the wrong word chosen to describe these legs:

    http://nyheter24.se/modette/angelicablick/files/2011/03/IMG_6512.jpg

  549. Rhiannon

    March 28, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    She is Slim. not skinny, but healthy.
    The average American woman is supposed to be 5"4 and 140 lbs.
    That is not slim at all, that is average/normal. This woman is clearly smaller than that.
    I am 5"8, 135 lbs. I am not petite, small, delicate, skinny or tiny. I like being referred to as slim, healthy and athletic because all of those things are true.
    That being said, I love your blog and every single photo on it. Thank you!

  550. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Thank you for providing posts about women that illustrates beauty in all ages and shapes. Bravo!

  551. Tanya N

    March 28, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    Thank you Scott for posting beautiful pictures and – unlike many in the fashion industry – being open to talk about the issue of body image.
    However, I don't think of her as curvy – that often has a negative connotation, maybe? I think many girls don't want to be called 'curvy' and I think many people would love to have the body of the girl in this picture and they thus feel slightly taken aback to think that this goal of a good, healthy body is considered 'curvy' which many use as a euphemism for 'fat', but which I'm sure you were not trying to do! We women are quite complex.

    Keep it up :)

  552. Rassles

    March 28, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    The only people offended by the word "curvier" are the ones who have size issues and who obviously did no take the time to read and comprehend it in the context of your sentence, in which case it makes sense, is purely descriptive and accurate – she is curvier than most other bloggers you see in the press.

    EVERYONE: Curvy is not a dirty word, it is not an insult. The more interesting debate, to me, is if all of these people have a problem with you describing someone as "curvier", what kind of body issues do they have themselves?

    It's a descriptive term, and a complimentary one. Also, I would rather be described as "sturdy" than "waifish."

    Sheesh, people. Chill out.

  553. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    i must agree with a lot of the comments: i would have never ever thought of this girl as "bigger" or "curvier" than average. and i miss more variety in body size on this blog. one of the best dressed girls i know is on larger side (to put it nicely) which doesn't make her any less stylish. it would be nice to see some examples of that.

    since this is a fashion blog i don't really see your need to point out the figure of a completely normal sized really pretty girl and i find it somewhat offensive. eventhough i'm sure that wasn't your intention at all.

    but love her! and still love your blog! :) would love it even more if you would post more variety in body types without feeling the need to comment on it.

  554. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Easily described: slim young woman with shapely legs!

  555. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Scott, don't let readers tell you what you can or cannot talk about. It is legitimate for you to write about ways in which a woman capitalizes on her figure.
    You made a wonderful website by doing something that hadn't been done before. Maybe you can launch another trend by making us a little less uptight about the words we use to describe a body. I don't think you will lose readers that way, if that is a concern.
    Especially since curvy is, really, a proper use of the word. Whoever thinks curvy is an understatement for saying that a woman is fat is reinforcing a stigma that shouldn't exist. Curvy is good! Keep writing the way you do.

  556. anne zoom

    March 28, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    the word "normal" is completely inappropriate when talking about individuals. I think curvy is an appropriate term. Look at Levis new fitting system: it pivots on the word "curve;" from "demi curve" to "supreme curve." anybody who feels offended by the term has likely enough not learned to take ownership of their bodytype and embrace what makes them beautiful and unique.

  557. Dash

    March 28, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    A very though provoking post that seems to have caused lots of controversy, to be honest I can't tell from the photos if she is curvaceous or not, she looks like a very attractive girl, with great style and well defined athletic legs, the legs of a good skier!

    I adore her boots, I would describe myself as curvaceous and with good proportions but have extremely slender legs and ankles so unfortunately those gorgeous boots would probably look ridiculous on me.

  558. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    OMG regarding the update/defence post, Scott: it was never about the word "normal" or "curvy"…come on! If you're gonna comment on it then say the truth: you called her big and sturdy. THAT'S what we were a bit upset about not really the curvy VS normal part. That's just embarrassing of you to turn the discussion into something else to defend yourself.
    Anyway, hope you post this even though its "critique". I love your blog!

  559. 20somethingFashionista

    March 28, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Those shoes are TO DIE FOR! love em! I must blog about those shoes!!!

  560. JungFu

    March 28, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    curvalicious! Glamazon! beautiful. I think "curvy" is just fine. You are right to ask, "What is 'normal'"? I love your posts of different people on the street the most and appreciate your trying to diversify which images you share.

  561. Adam Madigan

    March 28, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    I love your photographs. I love what you write. Would you share with me what type of camera you use? I liked seeing this girl with her camera.

    Best Wishes,

    Adam

  562. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Prejudice begins in each one's mind. I fit in the category of the so called "curvy", "sturdy", "bigger" girls and as far as I am concerned, there is no ofense in being characterised that way. Last time I checked it didn't mean ugly, unhealthy or misfit. Stop being so strained to politically correct definitions! If you guys want curvy to be normal, start being natural and comfortable towards these adjectives. So Scott don't be afraid to talk about this matter in your blog, keep up with the amazing work and don't worry about let's say "over-scrupulous" minds, I bet Angelika doesn't mind either!

    InĂŞs*

  563. Tina S

    March 28, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    yeah — i am not sure why a long comment needs to be made about her body at all. Most of the time your pics speak for themselves unless you are noting a particular fashion-y thing, like the length of a cuff.

    In terms of language — I'd call her a non-waif, or maybe "womanly."

    And skinny girls get their noses bent out of shape over language too, because my solution, for example, implies that they are un-womanly because they don't have wide hips and breasts.

    How about you keep your commenting to clothes, less on bodies, and feature everyone equally? It's like Crystal Wren's situation: she should just be considered a supermodel, not a plus-size supermodel.

    Stitching in Circles

  564. Roxi

    March 28, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    I'm a long-time reader and lover of your blog, and I'll be honest, I found your wording very insulting.

    Whatever your intended meaning (which I'm sure was something more like achieving balance in art), the connotation is that women who have bodies any larger than the typical model frame cannot wear "dainty" clothing, as this would bring unwanted attention to their size.

    Your words suggest that normal-bodied women should wear clunky clothing items in order to distract on-lookers from their "bigger" frames.

    I agree with previous commenters that it's unnecessary to comment on her 'size' (especially since you do not for skinnier women), and that the intended meaning could just as easily have come across with more tasteful wording (e.g., the large shoe highlights the shape of her legs).

    I look to this blog as style beyond the runway, i.e. fashion that ordinary people can pull off. But your choice of words instead gives the impression that, if this is the 'larger' side of fashion, my own body will never be considered fashionable.

  565. sarah

    March 28, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    i guess a lot of people had a problem with the wording because "curvy" tends to imply "fat", which she is anything but. In fact, I wouldn't have even made mention of her looks at all because she's a gorgeous thin woman…just like all the other women on this blog! (Not that there's anything wrong with posting photos of attractive women, but I just wouldn't claim there's much difference between her and anyone else on your blog.)

  566. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    I agree with everyone about keeping body descriptions out of it, UNLESS the comment speaks to general fashion rules. The issue is consistency. I like the previous comment about you not having, in the past, pointed out, for instance, the bony clavicle on an extremely thin person. Ergo, why point out the size of the legs on this woman? (Whose legs, by the way, are fantastic.) We all need to understand how proportion works for all of us. The truth is what flatters one figure doesn't flatter another. This is no secret. Tall versus short, hippy versus busty, skinny versus the word of the day: curvy.

    What these tiny slips reveal, I think, is our collective and singular prejudices about the size of a woman we think deserves public attention, and while I applaud your wish to find the right tone for what you meant to say, which was to expound on the great choice of shoes, the choice of which has everything to do with this lovely woman's understanding of how proportion works for her in fashion, I also wonder why this body type required more comment than any other? Perhaps a conversation on proportion more often, for every body type? Which is what I think you meant, all along.

    I do love the pictures you take. And I love your willingness to open the coversation.

  567. jdit

    March 28, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    Hey Scott call it as you want and see it – I get it – just be careful to call it with the blessing of the one you love or the curviest thing you feel next might be a baseball bat or heavy purse…(sic)

    I think the woman in your shots is stunning and the fact that it is not until you reference the man and the umbrella that you realize the perspective is enough to make it stand strong in your defense…

    Just sayin' man!

  568. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    In the world of fashion, which is the world the Sartorialist very much inhabits – even inspires! – this lady is considered curvy. Remember when Gisele was considered curvy? They call Lara Stone curvy…
    Those of you freaking out about the use of the word 'curvy' need to breathe and calm down.

  569. Angelica

    March 28, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    Hi Scott, after several years spent looking at your pictures it's unbelieveble to see me on your blog! thank you so much,I promise I will improve my english for the next time I'll see you ;)

    thank you very much for all the sweet comments i read.i also saw many of you are interested in taking a look at my blog,i leave here the adress

    http://angystearoom.blogspot.com

    kisses, Angelika

  570. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    I don't think her size really needed to be addressed at all. Right now it seems to me that the fashion world has taken up an interest in girls with so called "curvy" figures, when in reality their figures are feminine in comparison to the boyish, lanky ones that dominate the fashion world. I, for one, am happy for this current shift in interest; this feminine body shape is more relevant to the many girls and women who possess them. Why, though, does it need to be described and stated, when for the most part many of your other photographs do not address the size or body shape of the subject. It's almost as if many of the people who are largely involved in fashion currently see this body shape as a novelty when in reality its quite common among many women. I do not find it offensive, just comical that finally a feminine body shape on a woman is in the spotlight.

  571. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    Can we all be fair for a second? I've read posts saying things like "don't call her curvy- I'd rather have her legs instead of chicken legs."
    So…we're saying we should NOT call her curvy, but we can call a skinny girl's legs "chicken legs"?
    really? that's justice?
    There are countless comments on this post that choose to offend skinny girls in order to come to this girl's rescue and that hardly seems fair, doesn't it? People are saying things like you should show more "real" women. I'm 5'7 and 110 pounds..I'm slim for sure.. but am I not real? Should you tell me I have chicken legs or am abnormal?
    Absolutely not. Insulting someone who is skinny is just as wrong, hurtful and offensive as insulting someone who is of average weight, or overweight.

    Scott said she is bigger THAN most others in certain fields within the fashion industry. That's not calling her "big" but bigger THAN a certain number of usually extremely slim people. Let's not just throw out the context of the sentence and focus on whatever words one may decide to choose.
    He never called her unattractive, rather he complimented her body and style, yet so many are quick to call skinny "protruding bones" unattractive. Tell me, is that fair?

    I hate that in the argument for all women being considered beautiful people feel it's okay to put down those who are naturally slim. I'm tired of having people tell me I must not eat or that I don't have a "real" woman's body.
    If you want respect show it.

    -Mary M.

  572. 54th and 1st

    March 28, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Well, well, well, Scott… you've outdone yourself this time, haven't you?

    For the record, I agree with your use of the word "curvy" – however, only because it's relative to the preferred size of model in the fashion industry. And since your blog is firmly entrenched in the industry of fashion, it's an adequate description. Other commenters may use "real" or "normal" but I think "curvy" is more appropriate here.

    I don't want to get into a protracted debate about body size issues here. I wholeheartedly disagree with the idea that models must be almost emaciated before they'll be considered for catwalk shows. It's not healthy.

  573. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    The "curviness" fo her body clearly shows on the first picture, you can tell just by the way the jeans fit her. I personally don't see what is wrong with the word curvy. Saying she has a curvy body is not the equivalent of bigger. Some very skinny girls have an hourglass shaped body.

  574. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    This girl is beautiful. Those shoes are amazing and she has killer style. I could be OK with the use of "curvy," but, "bigger" and "sturdy?" I guess the test would be in reverse. Would you refer your typical subjects as "small" and "frail." This is really just a tall woman with the confidence to accentuate her height, the style to accentuate her lines and an understanding of the power of a silhouette. I am disappointed by your over-simplified description of her. I am here reading your blog, because the NY Times spoke so highly of you as a fashion expert. Your choice of words does not represent your expertise well.

  575. Nomad

    March 28, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    Idea.

    You have the REAL image of the girl in your head.

    We all see a photo of a pretty and slim woman, (becuase your shots are so good, and because the shoes work so well…your point exactly) but she is likely someone who is skinnier than a lot of us, your readers.

    No one whats someone who looks skinnier than themselves to be called sturdy or curvy…
    Because that means…. well if she is sturdy and curvy, well then what does that make us?

  576. Slayla

    March 28, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    curvy is fine language. I thought your post was complimentary and spot on.

    love,
    a curvy girl

  577. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    I don't have a problem with calling someone curvy if they are curvy…it's just that this is a slim woman. In the first picture you might be able to describe her calves as "curvy" but I think that's just the short jeans, as in the next picture, her legs look long and lean.

    Anyway, I think she's lovely and has great taste!

  578. Naviivan

    March 28, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    I think in every people's adjustments, they judge by their own eyes and their own weight. First of all, there's no normal body. You judge for example, my weight 60 kg. I'll certainly call people of my same weight a normal weight people, while the other skinner people will call him fat. So in other words, it's all by people's opinion (and that's using their own view).
    Like what Scott says, photos can't be judged until I'll see it in real life, that's really true. Like on the telly, people seems taller than on real life.
    Ok, now Angelika. I like her name "angel" and of course her haircut. Not many ladies will bring up a different haircut on a different dress, and that's how I like to see ladies dress like that.

  579. street number eight

    March 28, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    Scott is absolutely right. This woman is indeed "bigger, curvier than most of the other bloggers who you see in the press." She may be "average" in the US, but she's certainly *not* the norm in the fashion industry. And it's wonderful to see her body type represented here! To ignore the fact that her body is different would be a pretense, and I'm glad Scott didn't go that route.

    Why are we so afraid to use the word "curvy" anyway? It shouldn't have a negative connotation. Most curvy girls I know adore their figure and wouldn't change it for the world. Yes, positive (curvaceous) fashion role models are needed, but models like Lara Stone and sites like this are slowly making that happen. Can't wait to see the rest of this photo set!

    http://streetnumbereight.blogspot.com/

  580. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    The problem with the term "curvy" is that it seems to be often used in opposition to the term "thin."

    The implication is that you are, indirectly, implying that this girl is fat.

  581. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    i have a slim frame but larger legs. frankly, i do not see the curves on this girl. maybe we are all "curvy" in Chicago.

  582. emily

    March 28, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    I think curvy and sturdy are both fitting here – you can see her beautiful muscle definition through her jeans! Beautiful body! Your focus here is on the proportions of her body and how well she balances them. You've done plenty of posts like this with smaller framed women as well, and I think you represent different body types well!

  583. jen

    March 28, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    "A number of the commenters are upset by the word 'curvy.' They feel I should have used the word 'normal.' However, normal is relative."

    Agree that the concept of 'normal' is relative–not to mention loaded–but so is 'curvy.' This woman is 'curvy' relative to most of the women you see on this blog or in fashion. But she doesn't appear in the photos to be 'curvy' by many people's standards.

    I think you struck the right balance with "curvier girl than most of the other bloggers," though I'm still not sure any woman ever wants any body part of hers to be described as "sturdy." Makes her sound a bit like a racehorse.

  584. Michele

    March 28, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    God its hard reading these comments; its like they've deliberately miscontrued what you're trying to say. Yes, she is "big", "for the fashion industry"! and accordingly she cant always wear high fashion because its not always constructed with the bigger body shape in mind. Likewise, I agree, not everyone should / can wear skyscraper heels. Its a matter of proportion. I dont know why this is so hard to accept or even to say. It appears to me that Angelika might 'get this' concept so why cant all these people who carry on about what terminology you use or what you should/shouldnt say on your blog.

  585. pinky

    March 28, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    your observations set my mind in motion. I like that.

  586. Pam

    March 28, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    Lately, curvy = plus size = overweight.

    This girl is beautiful.

    As to curvy, it has also been used to describe a body that is more hour-glass, or pear shaped — in other words, waist & hips. This version of curvy can still be very slim, but not of the proportions that ready-to-wear is made ready for ;-)

    You've touched some nerves, but keep on showing us lovely, individual, stylish people. No matter their age or size or proportions.

  587. Sara Katt

    March 28, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    I have almost the same body type, but I've never in my life been called curvy. Those legs look strong and over all she looks very healthy to me.

    Go tall girls!

  588. AnaM

    March 28, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    what great pictures!
    Either she is "normal ", "curvy" or whatever, the truth is that she is beautiful!
    I like curvy bodies, in my opinion are much sexier than that skinny bodies with prominent bones.
    I think these photos are a breath of fresh air in the current panorama of fashion.

  589. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    what i find a bit strange is making a post out of a woman who is supposedly curvy when in fact she is really smaller than the average UK dress size….you never seem to comment on all the other women's sizes who are actually pretty small so why feel the need to comment on her size?

  590. Debs

    March 28, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    She's taller, yes. She's got a fuller figure than what is usually posted here but she is the average type woman.

    Actually she is lovely. I personally would like to see more of all shapes and sizes of women. This blog features all shapes and sizes of men, why not women?

    Lately it seems only super thin models types.

  591. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    If we need to discuss this girl's figure, let' also discuss the size of the stomach hiding under the jacket of "Winter White Florence" a few photos below her. I thought we were discussing fashion!

  592. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    well said on your update on curvy-ness. it just means being fit and thin has become abnormal in our society. go back to photos prior to 1979 and you'll see much less fat on bodies.

  593. ktb

    March 28, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    I very much appreciate you putting up a picture of a woman who is not "skinny." I think we get into the issue of words because size is such a sensitive subject. This woman is beautiful regardless of her size. And certainly, the fashion industry is not a place from which I want the word "normal" to be defined. I think, though, there is nothing wrong with the word "curvy." Curvy is gorgeous. And normal. And I love this woman's shape and I would love to see more woman like her represented not only here but across media and fashion!

    I can't wait to see your photo of another gorgeous woman tomorrow!

  594. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    She is normal size unlike skinny models. The word curvy sounds to me like a nice word for fat – if you dont want to offend that person. But I understand you meant in a nice way. Thanks for the blog, you´re bringing 'fresh air' of todays street fashion!

  595. red green vanilla

    March 28, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    I don't see an issue with using the word 'curvy'. Why should having curves be seen as somehow unattractive, and therefore have a negative response?
    Describing a skinnier girl as 'petite' or maybe 'waiflike' wouldn't garner the same reaction, I'll bet.

    Scott's post respectfully (and accurately) described the shape of her body while putting the focus of his post on her proportions. I don't see this post about proportion as any different to his posts which describe texture or colour.

    Great job as always Scott.

  596. Kiana Lee

    March 28, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    i'd just like to start by saying that i think you are such an awesome person! i love how you respond to your readers, and in such a nice way. and i love how you're not afraid to respond to these kind of issues. i think curvy is an acceptable word, and i definitely don't think you used that word to offend in any way.
    i think you do a pretty good job at showing diversity on your blog, and in such a beautiful way. i really respect you and i always love visiting your blog. :)
    much love, kiana lee!

  597. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    On the one hand I appreciate your desire to talk about this kind of thing, and certainly you're genuine. On the other hand, I think on a blog like this with the clout you have, it's more of a statement to feature her on your blog without reference to her body type, simply showcasing her as another great example of interesting and inspiring style.

  598. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    I have no problem with the use of the word curvy. Its a descriptive word that describes curves of the female body. I have no idea why using it would be wrong. I'm a gal that might be "small", "thin" and "curvy" and have no problem with it.
    We have specific words (to describe things) and we should use them, not hide behind bland pronouns (he, she, woman, girl, man, boy) so not to offend any one.

    ~Ann

  599. Star

    March 28, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    First of all: great photos, as usual. You kindly asked for feedback about what words to use in descriptions, and, mercy me, you sure got a lot of it, but nothing that got to the heart of the problem: it's all subjective. Unless you are able to put the people on a set of scales, measure their height, and compare the results to the (now and then in flux) doctors' charts, it's going to be subjective. "Normal" implies normative, and so I can see why you'd like to avoid this term. The only way out of this problem, I think, is to try to keep the assessment as objective as possible, and that means using your subjective judgement to come up with as close a reference to an objective, commonly understood frame of reference as possible: the doctors' charts (ex., "seems underweight/average/overweight, according to the XYZ chart published in 20XX"), or clothes sizes (but the latter is problematic, as the pairing of the size of the garment with the size listed on the tag is decided company by company…alas…shopping would be so much easier if that relationship were standardized).

  600. Rhiannon

    March 28, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    "I loved that she's a bigger, curvier girl than most of the other bloggers who you see in the the press and tend to represent the genre."

    I think a lot of people read this as you calling her fat or normalizing the incredibly skinny aesthetic that's romanticized in fashion. Most women are not naturally a 0 or 00, but they try to be because of blogs like yours that regularly feature and glamorize petite women. At a glance, this girl seems small and calling her "curvy" or "bigger" seems almost like a nice way to say "fat."

    Sturdy but beautiful? Body harmony? If a woman is naturally built a little heavier on top or a little heavier on bottom, shouldn't we love her body for the way it is instead of trying to correct it?

  601. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    Scott I think the problem is curvy has become a euphemism for overweight ( dare I say fat.) Best to avoid body descriptions in this PC world where descriptive words morph into insults. I am an older man and I certainly remember the era when ethnic slurs and negative descriptions were "normal." The new PC era can be a bit much, but clearly a better direction. Thanks for caring about your audience and for your always compelling work.

  602. Reed

    March 28, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    Language is all we have by which to construct reality and therefore it is of the utmost importance to use it well. Descriptions of reality are for the most part propagated by powerful institutions. I say "powerful" since these institutions e.g. fashion possess the capacity to set the bounds of what is "thinkable" and acceptable in terms of the normative. We already know what the ideal and coveted body type is due to the fashion industry. Describing women in terms of their body type is in a manner sexist and limits our imagination about her. Why do we practice this? Do we characterize men according to body parts? We need to be attentive and ethical in what we are imparting.

  603. Drew

    March 28, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Love those shoes!

    And seriously, it is ridiculous that the term "curvy" is now code for "fat." This woman has a nice shape and more rounded curves than the willowy females normally featured on this blog.

  604. ana

    March 28, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Honestly this is the second or third time in your blog I see a girl with legs like her! curvy like for example me! and that's great! because most of the time there are beutiful girls with long thin legs wich outfits i can't use because of the shape of my legs but these two pictures of Angelika are the best!

  605. Andy Rutledge

    March 28, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Your post was perfect. She is beautiful. Folks who find fault with either have an agenda you don't need to pay attention to.

    Do your thing. Be unapologetic. The rest is irrelevant distraction.

    Kind regards,
    Andy

  606. Luna

    March 28, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Sorry you are being berated over a word. The English languauge is laced with words that at one time were meant to sugar-coat and in the end took on a negative connotation. (ie. disease, originally meant the opposite of at ease and was a nice way to describe someone who was ill)
    Curvy used to be a "good thing". It described a womanly figure, I'm thinking 1950's pin-up. Then it was hijacked as a kind way of describing women who were over-weight, and now it can be objectionable, as in the case of this woman who is clearly not over-weight but who is also not typical size in the fashion world.
    The fact of the matter is : at this point in history women have been told that the ideal is to be small, slim, delicate etc. and if attention is drawn to the opposite, there will be those who feel they must band together in sisterly insult. No girl wants to hear that she is big-boned, or well-built, or "healthy", because that is grandma code for being bigger than the ideal.
    Your quandry of words is really no more than trying to point out the obvious, but one that women have been told all their lives is a negative thing. That's probably why you have so many PCs up in arms.
    On another note, you may have been impressed by her size/shape and the way she works with it, however if you had just posted her because she has great style and left out the rhetoric, like you usually do for more "normal" girls you probably would have spared yourself a lot of headache and nobody would have thought that this girl was sticking out like a sore thumb.

  607. DENTON

    March 28, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Not sure I'm seeing what everyone else is. Take away the shoes here in London, would most look twice at this woman re: her fashion sense? Seems a tad bland to me and the shoes are far too big for the cut of the jeans.

    As for 'curvy', she is no strapping lass but her legs do look curvy in tight jeans but they look like muscular curves to me. As a man, I do not use curvy as a euphemism for 'fat'.

    Some good comments above regarding the use of 'sturdy', 'bigger' etc. but I wonder what larger women feel when so many of those defending them against this damaging use of language all tail their comments with 'she is perfect'. If so, what are the larger women reading these comments supposed to think (or the smaller ones come to that).

    I'm still baffled as to why her size was mentioned at all.

  608. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    To clarify, she is bigger than a model, and arent most people? Of course they are. You have just been looking at models too long and think they are normal!

  609. shalom

    March 28, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    I don't think the word "normal" is quite the right word. I'm very thin "normally", as in, I don't starve myself, nor do I eat a diet that's for the birds. This is how I "normally" am. There is no way I could ever have this woman's curves "normally". If she is normal, then that means my body type is abnormal, which I completely disagree with. It's the way I was made, and it's the way I'll stay. This woman is obviously NOT super thin. She *is* curvy when you take into consideration all the different shapes that are out there.

  610. Helen

    March 28, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    Bow sad that the very thing that once defined a woman’s shape could now be considered a dirty word – curves, luxurious, soft, voluptuous. Thank you Sart and Garance for celebrating all the shapes and all the ages of women rather than a very narrow band that represents a very small portion of women in this world.

  611. eleni k.

    March 28, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    do you really think this girl is curvy? i guess theres something wrong with the female role models today. she's 100% normal and a bit skinny and her style is hot.her shoes also.

  612. Jonathan

    March 28, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    Big? Hard to tell, and it's a relative term. Curvy? Most likely. Normal? Nah. Exquisite? Very much so.

    If there is ever a place where words describing the body can and should be used freely, it is in a blog about fashion.

    Our bodies are as much a part of our style as the clothing we wear.

    To over analyze what a word means or implies in this context introduces a political correctness that risks the honesty of the conversation and would be better suited for academia.

    We look for a stlye that complements our body shape and our attitude. We look for comfort and with comfort comes confidence. And those that catch the eye of this blog seem to have found what works for them and, more importantly, with them.

  613. Jamie B.

    March 28, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    I don't have a problem with the word "curvy." I have a problem with the use of the word "bigger." Bigger than whom? To me, she looks like an average size woman. I totally agree with "The Blonde Mule's" post. Why the need to use body type descriptions at all? And if you do, use them for the "less bigger" women out there as well.

  614. The Sentimental Bloke

    March 28, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    Stick to your guns, Scott. You have to write as you see it. If it causes comment and controversy, all the better. If you have to write something that you observe but then have agonise over how you are going to express it, then your work and your blog are going to suffer for it.
    You are finding yourself in the position of many great writers who defied public opinion and were admired for it.
    Many people follow your work and your observations about fashions. There will always be many opinions and perspectives about what you publish but in the end they all keep gravitating to the Sartorialist.

  615. Roman Noir

    March 28, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    Definitely don't use the word "big". Not many women like to be called "big" even if it is in relation to their height or just the fact that they are actually "bigger" than a petite person.
    I personally like "curvy" but a women who is "bigger" than a petite or super skinny body type may be athletically bigger and not at all "curvy".
    One way to deal with it is to continue posting the pictures but not necessarily make a comment about the body "type" – each viewer will no doubt interpret that themselves. The issue is that as a woman I want to see a range of sizes and body types but we don't want to be some how labeled as a "different category" from the "normal" model.

    What really makes me laugh is all the magazines that say that Giselle and other models like her are "curvy".

  616. Susanne

    March 28, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    I agree with The Blonde Mule, surely ths issue of size is irrelevant for yout blog is about Style.? I ADORE your blog also.It is a constant source of inspiration to me.Keep up the great work Scott! Susanne x.

    http://www.fashionfloats.blogspot.com

  617. Kasey

    March 28, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    I think curvy is a nice word. I think things get scary when the word curvy is preceded by "bigger." Whether you mean taller, heavier, or healthier it is just a vague word with a negative connotation when associated with the female body.

    http://approachableindie.com

  618. Monica M. Williams

    March 28, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    You always find women who know hot to dress for their bodies and size. That's what's important. I think we'd all love to see you photograph more curvy or even fat women. How about a mom or two? Or women with real figure flaws?

    I know you look for them…. don't give up! Women don't read your blog – or fashion magazines, I believe – to figure out their body images. We read it for ideas and inspiration. For a view of the world we can't see from the suburbs or Target or our minivans. (ahem. TMI?)

    I agree with earlier comments: Stick with proportions, don't tag the body type and keep up the beautiful work!

  619. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    Can somebody please tell me the name of her blog? I'm desperate to see it, us sturdy girls need inspiration too!

  620. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    Normal is a relative term. Just because an average American woman is a size 14 +/- does not mean size 14 is "normal." When considering all the health issues associated with bodies with an excess amount of fat, I would not want to be average or "normal." Thank you for your post. As a naturally petite (but not stick skinny) girl, I am proud to be my shape.

  621. Christine

    March 28, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    She's beautiful and I love that you're talking about curves and age! Keep going!

  622. Leslie

    March 28, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    As a size 14, I have no issue with the word "curvy". To me, it creates a femininity. I'm not such a fan of the word "sturdy" to describe her legs. It makes her sound like a piece of furniture. Though, I regret that I don't have an alternative word for you.

  623. Seeley

    March 28, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    I wish I had the courage for the shoes. She looks awesome.
    fashiontypology.blogspot.com

  624. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    im confused about why you need to mention her size at all. you never mention size when posting photographs of 'smaller' women.

  625. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Perhaps you shouldn't say anything about her size at all. She is a beautiful, well-dressed woman. The lovely photographs speak for themselves. Her name would suffice as a caption.

  626. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    The fact that you are allowing space for this conversation is epic in and of itself. Thank you. Talk about her balancing her body and her shoes. Talk about a thin girl doing the same. Talk about a man getting the body balance right. The only reason you're probably meeting conflict is because you so rarely add commentary about BODY proportions to clothes, shoes, etc. So keep writing about all of them. (Or none. And just post pictures of all the people.)

  627. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    Scott……

    You're a dude….you say "curvy" I'd say thick but to some (ladies) that would be offensive too..so you're doin' ok.
    Both are meant to be descriptive and complementry, but we're GUYS and we never get it right….."does this ——make my butt look big?" Hell yeah…..I like big butts…..WRONG! So what are ya gonna do? Do YOU…..with love man. I don't know the secret to success, but the secret to failure is trying to please EVERYONE.

    Gladman

  628. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    as a guy who loves seeing beautiful women and their bodies, i will say that i find these women/bodies/size/proportion etc. infinitely more attractive and desirable than the frail and fragile images of women you typically post.

  629. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    i'm not sure why there was any need to comment on her body type. i think we all know what we mean when we say that she has a "normal" body size. meaning that she looks healthy and is not a stick figure, more like a skinny everyday person. i think that pointing out that she is bigger than the other bloggers is just doing a disservice to regular sized people. not all of us can be twigs, and i think she has a nice, muscular fit. if anything you should describe her as being fit and using clothes that go well with the contours of her body. usually people use "curvy" as a polite term for those that are like size 10 or something. and if you are going to talk about her curviness and post pics where we cannot see all of it, then her curviness becomes irrelevant. help all girls out and make posts with girls that are more "normal" sized. and don't hide behind the illusion of words; i think we all know that models are not reflective of the general population size and are held to a different standard when it comes to appearance, so saying she is a "normal" sized girl means that she is someone we can truly aspire to be like without eating like a rabbit for most girls.

  630. Amanda

    March 28, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Beautiful pictures. I'm skinny, but curvy all the same, and none of those are words that have perfect quantifiable definitions, but I still find them to be beautiful ways of describing myself. Isn't that what its really all about?

  631. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    I am glad to see this. I'm in fashion too and refer to body type as curvy or straight. A woman who is a size 2 can be curvy, as it is about the shape, not size. So, you explained it well for me. Perhaps some of the younger readers should get educated before they 'bash'.

  632. Joel

    March 28, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    I think the word 'curvy' is a perfect description. She's not a large girl, she has a nice shapely body, great figure. It's good to see more of that represented in the fashion scene. Especially in an era when the internet is full of pictures of much smaller, thinner girls, with people thinking that is a standard of how you should look.
    Good post, great blog.

    Joel.

  633. laura

    March 28, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    I appreciate that you noticed someone other than a stick as beautiful. I'm 5'2" and 97 lbs and am taller and larger than 5 women in my family, but to everyone else I'm a total shrimp. My dr thought I had a problem for years when I wasn't growing but in my family I'm above average. It's all relative. I think "curvy" is a perfectly appropriate word. Unless you eat 15 hamburgers a day or nothing, you are nothing more than the outcome of your genetics. It's not like tiny people are the only ones who are allowed to be in fashion even though it seems that way sometimes. If more style bloggers posted women like her I'm sure the subject wouldn't be so taboo.

    I wonder why these angry people feel this "curvy" comment is so offensive yet people think it's totally ok to walk up to me and comment on how tiny I am. I'm sure they wouldn't walk up to me and tell me how fat I was if I was bigger. What's with the double standard?

  634. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    Initially, when I saw these photos the first word that came to my mind was "curvy", which is part of her allure. In the past I feel that descriptions such as "curvy" characterized sex appeal or voluptuousness, but this has changed somewhere along the way. It's unfortunate to hear that people might take offense to this description, which is obviously intended as a compliment.

    Regards,
    Taylor

  635. Blair

    March 28, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    I think its just interesting to hear a man's description of a woman's size in this way. Its really not a big deal in the scheme of things, and gosh, if the pictured woman is reading all this she's probably wondering why all the fuss, she looks amazing!! I know as a woman, I would find "sturdy" to be not a compliment, although I wouldn't punch you. I think we all get what you meant, and you just seem to have been searching for a somewhat neutral word to describe legs I would die for. Interesting what emotion it evoked though.

  636. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    I usually love this blog but I was really irritated to see your comments about this girl. I completely agree with some of the comments about how unnecessary it is to comment about her size. You never say anything about an incredibly thin person, so why make comments like this? Also, "sturdy"? Really? Are you going to start saying that thinner women are flimsy and frail? I doubt it.

  637. Elizabeth

    March 28, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    i loved what you said about the harmony of the shoes w/her legs.

    as someone with curvy legs, i think all of the language you said was completely appropriate and descriptive.

    "normal" would be wrong because there are plenty of normal girls out there who are quite thin and excluding them from the "normal" category is offensive to them.

    like you said, it's all relative.

  638. Figjam

    March 28, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    I am proud to be a blog that is showing women of different sizes. Thanks for seeking input from your readers. Broadening the range of different sizes would be appreciated.

  639. candleashes

    March 28, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    There was nothing wrong with your choice of words, at all. Don't let people put words in your mouth (or take them out).

    Saying that someone is "normal" would be extremely offensive no matter who you said it about because it automatically alienates everyone else who isn't like that. I am barely over 100 lbs; I'm one of those girls who would look at fashion magazines when I was 12-14 to make myself feel better because all of the girls around me were getting curvy and I wasn't. Saying that she looks normal, implying healthy, would have been offensive to someone like me. However, curvy is a shape, so it's a fine way to describe someone; just like saying that someone of my body type is thin, slim, or even flat would be fine because it's a body shape.

  640. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    Just don't mention it. The same way you don't mention a skinny girl's twig legs which you post a million pictures of all the time. When you post a picture of a girl who is not model-sized, why do you need to comment on it at all?

  641. rojita

    March 28, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    Whoa Scott!

    It looks like the comments got a bit out of control!

    It's funny because I saw the post this morning and thought to myself "curvy – ha! this guy is crazy" Which is probably what everyone else is thinking. However, as I read the post again I noticed that you were comparing her to other fashion bloggers "loved that she's a bigger, curvier girl THAN most of the other bloggers" which is definitely a good point. As I continued reading I loved the point you made about the size of her legs and the Litas. There is a beautiful balance between the size of her legs and the chunky shoes.

    I think all the readers should stop focusing on specific words and focus on the content. By the way sturdy means strong- there's no better way to describe her.

  642. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    I think it's not so much that she's 'curvy' as she is simply stuffed into her jeans in the first picture. Her legs are actually quite slim, especially in the thigh. I'm pretty sure she could wear a more delicate shoe if she changed the cut or fit of her pants a bit.

  643. smallcityglam

    March 28, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    I can truly understand both sides of this argument. I am a size 14 with DD's, a serious bum, and a smaller waist. I LOVE fashion and am consistently inspired by this blog. I obviously can't wear a lot of the outfits that the tiny model types can, but I am daily acclaimed for my style. I get that Scott was trying to compliment his subject for choosing shoes that work for her body, but I also see that if this lovely girl is "bigger" than what would someone like me be considered?? I believe in dressing beautifully and representing oneself through fashion no matter what size one happens to be at the moment. Scott, thank you for sharing inspirational photos and for making us think. I like that you've evoked such strong opinions from the lives you touch. Keep up the good work!

  644. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    Women have always been historically sensitive about their weight. I wish they weren't and would accept themselves for their genetic body shape, because most end up chasing the dream that is neither realistic nor possible. My husband was weighing himself the other night and asked me to jump on… he had increased the dial to 115kg (I am less than this) and we were on the floor in laughter – I can't imagine how well most of my friends would have taken this.

    Curvy? It's hard to tell, but she certainly isn't a stick. But I am neutral to the use of the word. It's an adjective, like many others, which are relative and depends on which reference point you are starting from. So perhaps those upset may be using a different reference point to Scott.

    So I would really like to know what Angelika thinks.

  645. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    My Repetto ballet flats have been a key element of my personal style for years, but apparently, all this time, these "dainty" shoes have been "overpowered' by my "sturdy" legs. (Legs which are, by the way, sturdy from years of competitive long-distance running.) What a shame.

  646. Jessica

    March 28, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    I think simply saying "I love that she's curvier than most of the bloggers and editors one sees.."

    As opposed to saying she's "a bigger, curvier girl"

    The slight semantic change allows it to be purely comparative to the locational norms. As it is, the opening clause of that sentence makes it sound like you are making a universally true statement (which is, by the way, deeply wrong – she isn't particularly curvy, or, more egregious, "big." Seriously? Big???).

    Now, I now you are trying to make a comparative – the second clause of that sentence made it clear. But you guaranteed flaming when you said "I loved that she's a bigger, curvier girl". She's not a curvier girl. And she is in no way a "big" girl.

    So, to recap: 1. don't call anyone "big" that isn't actually large. Hips like your Italian grandma large.
    2. Take out the "a" when you are simply saying she is curvier than the average waif at the shows.

    Does that help?

  647. Heather A

    March 28, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    I appreciate your opening this topic up for discussion.

    I'm with the obvious MANY who see this woman as beautiful, stylish and interesting regardless of her size, which is not "big" by any stretch. While someone might NOTICE that, because people (men and women) come in a great variety of dimensions and some are taller, shorter, curvier, straighter, etc … it seems hardly worth mentioning the differences if they are, in fact, beautiful. And this woman is.

    So I'm with the "why mention it at all" group.

    If it's not necessary for you to provide adjectives for very slender women who are also beautiful or for men and women who are older, younger or hairy, bald … why does there need to be an adjective besides "gorgeous" to describe a beautiful woman who isn't "model thin"?

    I so love your blog both for your photos and your attitude. Thanks for being receptive to this type of discussion and for showing vulnerability.

    From a beautiful (to someone) woman with "athletic calves" (but who cares?)

  648. Ariane-Ingabire

    March 28, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    well as a black girl I just love girls like her!adorable!Thank you scott!

  649. Angelica

    March 28, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    Just about the using of the words,as the question was around me,i can say i wasn't offended at all,i don't think that curvy and big are sinonimous of overweight or fat,i believe indeed that being called curvy has a positive meaning.i'm of course different from the most of the girls who work in this business but i can ensure that i'm not fat or overweight,i'm healty,this is my body shape and i think that scott used those words just to focus my qualities,people should look beyond it and appreciate that such a influent blog like this published a kind of body which is different from the ones you use to see in the fashion business.

    anyway,I don't speak english very well so maybe i cannot give these words the correct meaning,or maybe for this reason i can give the right meaning to these words beyond the prejudices that maybe are around "big"and "curvy

    Angelica

  650. enrobe-moi

    March 28, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    Oh yes, the never ending subject that only gets more complex. I have been making couture garments (bridal and suits) for women professionally for over 20 years. A regular exasperation is clients referencing garments photographed on standard (tall and thin) model shapes. I have taken to using the expression "not runway model proportions" which no-one seems to take exception to and helps clients relax with their sometimes completely unrealistic comparisons of themselves to published representations. I am such a fan and love your blog.
    Thanks and regards,
    BERNADETTE GREEN
    enrobe-moi
    Bernadette Green Couture
    Sydney, Australia

  651. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    She's beautiful, and looks like she's about my size, which yes, is curvy. In the fashion world anyway.
    These things are are relative, and in the fashion world sizes are relatively small (or tiny), so that makes girls like her and me curvy.
    The rest of the world doesn't think so, but the fashion world does. Simple. It's all about the circles you move in.
    And most people don't 'live' in the fashion world, so they will simply view us as normal or even skinny. In you hang out with the Weight Watchers crew, you'll be their ideal woman.
    Ahh, choices.
    X
    Ann

  652. Angelica

    March 28, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    this is the blog

    Angy's tea room

    http://angystearoom.blogspot.com

  653. Tracey

    March 28, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    oh dear, the hornet's nest has been stirred he he

    I understood your post completely. I have legs which are proportionately 'heavier' than the upper part of my body, so I embrace the challenge and dress to even out the proportions. And I do look better for it. Full stop.

    Thank you for your wonderful blog Scott.

  654. Katie

    March 28, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    I think the issue is somehow words like "curvy" (for women) and "big-boned" (for men) have come to somehow mean "fat" for a lot of people, when for many those words are taken more literally and refer to general structure rather than size. I'm about her size, and I usually say that body-type-wise I'm average, because in relation to my friends I fall right in the middle. If that's too close to "normal," maybe go with something that says more clearly that you're happy to be photographing a more realistic woman. Size and anything sounding like size are so touchy now, especially in a world where a "plus-sized" model is around a size 6. No matter how you say it, I love to see women dressed well who aren't model-types. Lovely photos!

    PS- Love your blog!

  655. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    I personally do not take issue with the title "curvy" if it does in fact apply to her proportions. The rhetoric is tricky in this situation but I think perhaps "natural" or "healthy" might be more pleasing to some readers. Then of course it would suggest to others that thinness is unnatural(which it is not to some people).
    I think perhaps the best way to escape this worm-hole would be to disregard adjectives altogether and simple comment on her shoe style in proportion to the shape of her leg. I like the post and understand your well intentioned meaning. Keep posting about body harmony. I appreciate the tips.

  656. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    she's great, but we can go even bigger and sturdier!

  657. Pippa

    March 28, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Scott, I haven't read the comments, but I did read your update. Frankly, the use of the word 'curvy' is neither here nor there for me. What I do find rather appalling is the use of the word 'sturdy'. All legs, given what they do for able bodied people on a daily basis, are sturdy.

    As a suggestion, why not just post photos without any kind of body commentary because you don't do it for other posts, and it's not your admitted area of knowledge, and simply let the fashion speak for itself?

    I run a <a href="http://runwayrevolution.com>blog</a&gt; showing the work of agency +plus models and I do not have any discussion about size/height/shape. I let people decide for themselves what they see, and what is relevant to their own vision of fashion and body type.

    I will say in parting that if you have taken a good photo of the fashion element you wished to show us, then we will see the proportions in balance, etc and not need to have it spelled out in the text.

    http://runwayrevolution.com

  658. Curvy in Canada

    March 28, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Hi Scott, love your photos, but the couple of times you write, you really go off base from the intent of your blog, which is to highlight stylish people you see on the street, that and you take some amazing portraits. I googled Anicka, and by god, if she's considered "curvy" or worse, "sturdy" then I'm morbidly obese. Not saying you should hang out in Texas or Manitoba, but seriously look around. Bloggers come in all shapes and sizes. You have a great eye for style, please focus on that. And by the way, speaking as a pear-shaped, 5'4", 140lb woman, the 2 outfits are not flattering in my book. This season's flares worn with wedges are much more flattering. Sorry, JMO.

  659. Saymama

    March 28, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Scott has a book?! What book?!

    Scott, love love love your blog and this post amongst others. As a healthy-looking, size 8, curvy African girl (and blogger), I can assure you that the curvo-meter for us women varies on both extreme ends of the scale. You have women who are a size 2, and still 'curvy', so your description of this girl is pretty spot on.

    Love the purple shoes on this girl and she wears them with such ease. Love your lens!

    xx

  660. manchester escorts

    March 28, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    She looks amazing! She's not a stick insect, but I would hardly call her big! It is unhealthy to be too thin anyway!

  661. Marty

    March 28, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    The media's view of the female body is critical, vexing, and frustrating, not your take on it. There are curvy bodies, bodies that have presence, even at a size 6. She has presence, and you made that observation.

    This is your blog; it is your point of view and your observation. We react to whatever that is. Please don't flinch. You are kind, flattering, insightful, a gentleman. And you have an eye for fashion and form that many of us can only dream of catching one day.

  662. Lydia

    March 28, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    The silly contradiction in all of this – those who are upset about the terms "curvy" and "sturdy" being used are at the same time saying that there's something negative about being "curvy" and "sturdy". How does that work?

  663. Jenni

    March 28, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    Why mention it at all? If there is no "normal" can there really be a "curvier"? Truly…if there is no real middle ground how can you compare? How about just saying she is stylish and leaving her size out of it?

  664. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    Except that I'd like to call you out on this, but I haven't seen you address a man yet as 'curvy' or 'bigger'. If that designation isn't something you think of when describing differences of fashion-savvy men on your blog, nor should it be a designation for women.

    Just some food for thought :)

  665. Eliana

    March 28, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    I think what really tripped people up was putting such an emphasis on the fact that she is a larger size when she appears to be pretty average. I would suggest showing photographs that showcase her curves and talking about how the clothes flatter the curves in a very positive way. I guarantee other curvy women would feel appreciative!

    Also, I understand that you are only using these words as a means to get your point across, but it is very critical how you approach sensitive topics like body size. The words and phrasing matter because of how the overall tone and message come across to people. I hope this was helpful!

    I personally loved this post, and this is coming from a curvy woman :)

    Eliana
    http://elianagershon.blogspot.com/

  666. POPPY

    March 28, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    I love this blog because of the soul reason that what is referenced is not age or body figures. You show clean and understated simplicity, pure emotion and amazing style. What you do is art. Let's not get modernized sticky terms involved.

  667. whyioughtta

    March 28, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    You work in an interesting medium–half visual, half verbal. It's clearly a challenge to address sensitive topics like a woman's weight/size/proportions. I think I understood your main point–dainty shoes would not work with the proportions in play, whether we're talking body proportions, clothing proportions, whatever…in the same way that those shoes may have looked odd on a tiny waifish person or with a more delicate outfit. It's really a discussion of proportion you started with…quite innocent.

    "Sturdy" may be a word best avoided in association with women's bodies, but at the end of the day it's your blog and you can say what you like…

  668. naillig

    March 28, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    as far as diction goes, i still feel that curvy tends to be a euphemism for fat. plus-size girls are described as curvy.

    another reason i think we're jumping all over this is that the text seems to imply a NEED to dress to create "body harmony"… it does feel like a double standard: if you're sturdy, you’re still beautiful! but here's how to disguise your PROBLEM: wear such and such, and steer away from blahblah, like this girl (who is not even that “sturdy”) manages to do. but thin women, who are blogged about all the time, can wear whatever they like and we appreciate the clothing at face value.

    also: when you post photos of older women there is often no qualifying comment on their age at all. that recent one with the scarf was a fantastic example of mentioning the generation gap in a positive light – and it was applicable to everyone. height also does not seem to matter; that post of the japanese blogger with the amazing gold shoes was lovely, and you didn’t attribute her success in dressing to balance her height. And for the most part the comments focused on her smile, style, and personality. (but then again, being short and thin seems to be much more acceptable in the fashion world than tall and “curvy”) (we could further extrapolate this to include race – your post: On the Street….East 26th St., New York
    – no comment on how she’s complementing her skin tone or whatever)

    so I guess I still believe that it was the fact that you mentioned it which caused all this. If you hadn’t, there probably still would have been comments thanking you for posting someone who wasn’t rail thin, but there would also probably be more simply appreciating the outfit or her style or the shoes or her expression. Do we need to address her body size, and mention how her shoes balance her sturdy legs, or can we just appreciate the fashion / shoes for themselves? Is the only reason you consider her fashion noteworthy the way she matches her body shape?

    One more thing: the fact that she is such an anomaly among your photos is significant. The justification that you’re responding to reader’s requests – here, a “curvy” girl – worries me: would you not have blogged about women with different body types otherwise? (even the older women you photograph seem to all be on the thin side, except the woman with the scarf, whose body is cropped anyway) curvy people can still have awesome style, and not just because the style flatters their “less-than-ideal” bodies

  669. Ayinde

    March 28, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    Curvy is a good word, at least where i am from. Bigger that in between, but if she is bigger what else can you say. However – Sturdy??? Thats what you use to describe a car or building – In Trinidad, thick is even a compliment, but I would have gone with curvy, cute, stylish, taller, shapely, curvaceous and hott

  670. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    I think what Scott is trying to say is that her body type (whatever it may be) is not the focus of this look but rather the complement. She looks amazing and she's chosen the perfect pieces for her body.

    I think many people unfortunately misconstrue the word "curvy" to be negative when in reality, it's a word that implies beauty. That's evident here.

  671. Jess

    March 28, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    1) Love your blog.
    2) You asked, I say, why comment on her shape at all? On anyone else, you would just say "I love the style for xyz," not the prefaced: "Here is a bigger/older/skinnier/whatever than normal person. Here is why I love this style." If you feel the need to comment on the shape of the leg complimenting her leg, say so. But it could be said without sideways caveat. My $0.02.

  672. La Petite Marmoset

    March 28, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    She's beautiful! And curvy by some blogger standards, but definitely still very slim!
    La Petite Marmoset

  673. Fanya

    March 28, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    I 100% support your current perception. Curvy means just that, a curvy body line. In her case it would be shapely legs since curvy is usually used to describe boob/waist/hip ratio. Too often have chubby/somewhat heavy women describe themselves as curvy (the worst is when I'm looking at customer review for sizing of the clothe I want to buy. Many women prefer to state they are "curvy" and give their bra size instead of actual body measurement, which does not help at all).

    I've seen girls that looks about her weight but have absolutely no waist, its one straight line down to the hips. I've also seen skinnier girls with really wide hips. Please please please do not succumb to the pressure of using curvy to describe a weight instead of shape of the body. I love your blog and will be very very sad if you do.

  674. Barrera

    March 28, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    i agree the curves are nice, i love her full legs!!! sexy.

  675. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    I think the really important thing here is that this woman's body type was made relevant at all on your post, after all, we never read the equivalent "so and so complements the unsturdy but beautiful shape of her legs with an equally dainty shoe" etc. This reinforces some of the silly ideas we have about a woman's body: skinny bodies look on everything, we should always dress to look long and lean, so on and so forth.

    I think we could take this opportunity to think about all the subliminal messages we get sent and also send out about women's bodys and beauty in general.

    Aren't we just constantly parroting and spreading patriarchal ideas without even noticing it?

    What do we really believe?
    And do we express those believes to the world when we communicate?

    These are all much deeper issues and a nerve was touched here. I think that's ok, maybe even great.

    I do love your blog and your gorgeous photographs!

  676. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    I believe that your mentality towards women has been sincerely effected by your many years in the industry. I hope that you realize how mindsets like yours spread through men and ruin the lives of young women. If you claim to be unable to see the curves of this women in the photographs, then why would you refer to her as 'curvy'? And why would you post it in order to "talk about these issues" if you obviously can't see her curves? I think the problem is that you need to address the size of her shoes vs. her pants at all. What you are essentially saying is: "it's a good thing she wore these clunky shoes because if she wore ballet flats her legs would look fat".

  677. Sarah

    March 28, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    I don't understand why you felt the need to comment on her size at all. Why not just post older women, women of different races, women of different sizes and NOT point it out? You should just be posting styles you find compelling. The fact that you felt you needed to point out her size/shape at all suggests that you wanted some kind of special credit for it. It's nice that you posted someone "different", but I bet you see larger women in great outfits all the time, and your eye just passes them right by for the white thin woman in the tight skirt.

  678. Mandy Torres

    March 28, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    These two photos are both stunning. As a full figured/plus size girl all of my life, I have heard it all. By all definitions, being "curvy" is far from an insult. Her shape is admirable for a woman of her height, because she is not a rail. The picture captures an "average" for lack of better words, size for women these days in the U.S. Her stems(legs, which are amazing, I would describe as toned. She might be an athlete, or she may not be. Her calfs suggest she may have even been a dancer at one point. The point being, having toned body can sometimes appeal intimidating or "man'ish" and why showing off her features with ankle cut jeans and statement shoes, she's owning what what given to her. And let's know forget, Marilyn Monroe was considered "curvy" and she was one of the most powerful people in the world.

  679. Julia

    March 28, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    there's nothing wrong with the word curvy, i agree that it describes a body type and not a weight. and i'm glad that you try to represent different ages, styles and body types on your blog because the fashion world is all too biased when it comes to these issues. however, i agree with some of the other comments on here. this girl is by no means "big" or "bigger". those terms tend to be associated with overweight people, and this woman is not even close to being fat.

    other than that, i think it's great you're asking this question, keep up the great work!

  680. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    How is it that the body type or age of men is never discussed on your blog-this just underscores how inappropriate this type of comment is. It is as if a nicely dressed woman, who happens to be older than 35 or over a size 4 is some bizarre species that you are doing us all a favor by documenting. You are the one that needs to change your highly outdated and extremely sexist paradigm of what is beautiful.

  681. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    Hi Mr. Sartorialist,

    I hop onto your blog every few days to have a peek at the wonders you manage to capture that most wouldn't normally notice in our day to day.

    I have just read your comments re: the outcry that people have when you address a curvy woman as curvy and wheter or not it is something to feel bad about because oof political correctness or just plain bad taste.

    The problem I have is that if this was a slimmer lady, her body size or shape wouldn't be addressed, rather just the form, line and quirkiness of the way she has put the outfit together. But the moment it's a woman of a slightly larger body size (and to be honest this particular lady has a great figure) immediately the sentence makes reference to her body size/shape as the first point to address.

    So really the only way to address this issue is to either 1. not immediately talk about her body type in the topic of conversation and only focus on, in these specific images, her strong stance or the pop color or whatever it is that you like about her look,OR 2. actually start writing about the slimmer people in general that you deem a little more 'normal' with the topic of conversation about their body shape too.

    You see, the problem's not that you have addressed it with this particular person, but that you don't with any of the others, male or female.

    Laura Macri
    Australia

  682. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    'Real' would suffice.

  683. Frances

    March 28, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    The problem is that you make a big deal out of bodies outside of the norm. In five sentences, you mention the fact that she is larger than your usual subjects five times. We know she's larger than a regular model, because we have eyes. You don't need to make such a fuss over it.

    Putting this girl on your blog is not powerful in and of itself. A truly powerful action would be to be truly inclusive; to feature a wide (certainly wider than this girl) range of body types, ages and ethnicities on a regular basis.

  684. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    scarlett johansson is curvy i wouldn't call her normal i am thin, have long legs small breasts and a great ass!! i wouldn't call me normal Soooooo American God forbid if you said Voluotuous

  685. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    I appreciate your addendum; I think you should be proud of the variety of your posts.

    In recent years, the word "curvy" has been cast in an ugly light, in large part thanks to unfair, blitzed celebrity media. I am 5'4, 110lbs, and I'm often told I'm curvy. I'm also told I'm rather slim.

    "Curvy" does not connote "big," or "fat." Sure, in the eyes of many women, "curvy" is normal; but as you point out, what is normal?

    Curvy women: own your shape! This curvy woman certainly does.

  686. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    Here's my take:

    the word "curvy" has been hijacked by the pro-androgeny fashion scene to disparage real, NORMAL women who posess obvious breasts, thighs and butts.

    its current use by the fashion industry is a veiled put-down of women whose bodies clearly distinguish them as women, with no chance of being mistaken for a teenage boy.

    So, the problem is not the word itself, but its current, contemptuous use.

    Solution? Take back ownership of this word- "curvy"- just as you are doing here. It's a beautiful, evocative, sensual word.

    So let's start using it to describe our beautiful selves, ladies!

  687. Nancy

    March 28, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    I think all the folks kicking up a fuss about this so-called misuse of the word curvy are being quite silly.

    Curvy is an adjective, not a label. This woman has curves. They are present in the photo. If anything, I felt that you were pointing out that in the real world, women come in all shapes, and when I say shapes, I'm not even referring to weight! It's just a fact.

    Honestly, all this oversensitivity and stick-up-the-butt political correctness only perpetuates the negativity rather than preventing it.

    What makes this blog so splendid to me is seeing all that fashion being applied to the real world. People can be classy no matter what shape they are, and this gorgeous, curvy lady is definitely that.

  688. Jenna

    March 28, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    As a fellow curvy girl, the word "curvy" is a good thing! To me, it is a compliment. Curvy is beautiful. Normal, in my opinion, would be more of an insult than curvy. Because, really, who wants to be normal?

    she is beautiful. she is curvy. get over it.

  689. Grace

    March 28, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    I really do love the variety of people you put on your site. Style is style…no matter the size, age, race, gender, whatever. It is weird that the term curvy has negative connotation and I think that's because there isn't a polite way to speak about a person's weight. You just have to say what you mean and screw political correctness. The point of the sturdy shoe for her body type should be the focus… not your word choice. She's a beautiful woman who knows how to dress herself.
    :)

  690. Arielle

    March 28, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    You said that big or small or curvy are all relative, I think you could have been clearer about that in your first post, and rather than using the rather inane 'normal' said something like this girl stands out because she is curvier compared with the very slender girls we are used to seeing in the fashion world – it is only in that industry that she would be considered bigger, now, a challenge! I would love it if you found some truly curvy girls to photograph, who are chic and love their bodies.

  691. a.

    March 28, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    As a person who is built small on the top and larger on the bottom, I really appreciated your comment about how Angelika has taken her body into consideration in her clothing choices. Having style isn't about dressing according to trend, but understanding yourself; and understanding yourself means understanding your body and what works for it. This post illustrates just that; and the conversation that we should be having shouldn't be about defining Agelika's body type, but about how this post showcases a woman who knows how to dress according to her body type.

  692. Zoeprinze2

    March 28, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    I think these pictures are great, and "curvy" is an accurate way to describe her! It's a body type, and one some of the most memorable women in modern history have had.

    One thing I would like to see more of are "petite" women. Being 4'10" I see a lot of inspiration on the streets, but clothes drape and hang differently on someone taller.

  693. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    I jumped 605 cooments to say,jaaaa u are right is your blog so be free,and i understand very well whats u said!!im Fat,im big,im Voluptos,over size,xxl,but…if you want be gently with me call me curvy,bcs independent of the weight i have,im proud of my curves…and she is faboulous!!!

  694. The Hype Around...

    March 28, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    Funny,
    My first reaction was "Hey, a woman with curves!Love it". This is not to bash the regular waif types that usually adorn the pages of this fine blog but, as any man can tell you, a woman with curves will cause an accident.
    Whether a woman is "normal" or "curvey" is simply a matter of semantics. How would you descibe J-Lo? See, I proved my point.Please shoot more of these "Nurvey" ( normal + curvey) women to remind us that the ideal is not always found on the runway.

  695. mlbangkok

    March 28, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    beautiful, and if you ask me you can keep on using the word curvy, very apt,and I think complimentary, curves are great.

  696. Natashia

    March 28, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    At first, the word bigger really stood out to me, then reading curvy kind of made me think "hrmm.. your digging a hole here". Then reading the update post I completely understand what your saying (even tho it may have been worded better). I'm 5"2 and rather petite and have a hard time talking to anyone about weight who isn't 'skinny'. The word curvey is fine, I'm curvey and love it! Using the word bigger on the other hand I've learnt is a no go. It's such a touchy subject and I applaud you Scott for talking about it. How do you think it feels for a slim person to be told "you're fading away!" or "you need to eat more". Works on both sides.

  697. indie.electronic.alternative.

    March 28, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    i think it's a fact that she's "curvier" than most fashion models and arguably more shapely than most models and some bloggers. i'm 5'9'' and 122lbs. i have great genes but work hard to maintain my figure at nearly 30yrs old. i saw this picture and was immediately drawn to her amazing sense of fashion, not so much her size. she's also got amazing bone structure that most people would love to possess. i wasn't offended by your post. i get your point: in a world where emaciation and skin and bones sells magazines and clothes, a woman that looks like this should be the ideal: healthy, with a beautiful shape, and exuding confidence! i also admire the fact that you chose to highlight her as a blogger, and would LOVE for you to post a link to her blog!
    http://indieelectronicalternative.blogspot.com/

  698. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    1. She's awesome. 2. I'm curvy and if she is curvier in real life than in these photos, I want to know how to do that too. If you've got some T and got some A, you're curvy and there's nothing offensive about that.

  699. Ashley

    March 28, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    I commend you for refusing to use the word "normal" when talking about a person. Period. Yes, it is true that as a country, maybe even as a species, an "average" body type could be found, but this says nothing to the average body type found within the fashion industry which I believe it what you were referring to. There is an "average" for human females, and a subset "average" for those in the fashion industry. Let's stop fooling ourselves, there are more skinny/slim/tall people in the world of fashion than in our humble world of mere mortals. And that's OK. Just as it is OK that olympic athletes have greater muscle development than the "average" person. We see more slim/skinny models and blogger day-to-day and since she does not fit that "norm" you made an observation. An innocent one but yet many were still offended.

    One point I like to make when people are offended because there is a lack of "normal" girls on the runway, blogs, etc., don't they see it is just as offensive to that girl sitting at home who may be naturally skinny? Lucky, I know, but my best friend has dealt with this her whole life. People would ask if she has an eating disorder but her frame is just small and she is always trying to put on weight because of these comments- is she not "normal"? Yes, she may be below average but she is just as normal as an overweight girl, or a girl with curves.

    Last point, I promise. Curvy and overweight are not the same; they are not interchangeable terms. The misconception is that calling a girl "curvy" is a nice way of saying she is fat. Not true. A women can have larger boobs, hips, and a butt and have slimmer arms, legs, and stomach. If I call her curvy am I saying she is fat? No. I'm saying she is perfect! But of course that is only my ideal, what I, as a women, wish to look like. And that is where this gets tricky because no one has, or even should have, the same ideal.

    A term to use in future posts? Well, I think you have seen just mentioning it using any term will stir the pot. We are a very politically correct country and we do not like to hear people calling it as they see it. I do. Most don't. If you do not want to offend then do not mention a women's size.

    And we will all be very quite and stare at the pictures in silence.

  700. Jane

    March 28, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    My body is sturdy with curves (both lovely words when describing anything but flesh, apparently) and is normal to no one but me.
    Amazing Blog, Amazing Author. This is just semantics.
    Thank you for beautiful ageless and sizeless style.

  701. Guilt and Coffee

    March 28, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    Pay no attention! really… why would anyone feel offended by the words "bigger" and "curvy"? specially when said about somebody else… only those who have a self image issue right? (although from the pictures i saw she seems neither to me) either way, aren't blogs about expressing one's OPINION?

  702. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    Oh no…dont creat a new word :))))im sure almost prmaybe all womans would like have a curvy body independent of weight,bcs it still sigh of feminility!

  703. annabelle

    March 28, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    The thing is, you clearly have a preference for very thin women which suit a typical fashion crowd body type. I hope you realise that, because everyone has a right to a preference but annoying thing comes when they deny it.
    So you used words "sturdy legs" and implied that she has noticeably bigger lower body (perhaps in comparison to what you usually prefer to photograph because not too long ago you made it clear that you won't shoot a person, no matter how stylish their outfit is, if they "don't look nice to you" and this is relevant because it is obvious that to you attractive=thin) But all I see here is another slim woman, perhaps not dancing on the edge of anorexia like most of the girls you photograph and post here, but just slightly less skinny than that ie. looking more healthy and "normal" in that sense of the word. As you know, nobody is trying to shame all women into a certain height but my goodness does the media and fashion industry try to shame all women into a certain size!
    So I don't think your hight comparison is relevant in this context.

    Your tone in the post implied that she is "above average" in terms of size and to most of us, realistically speaking, she is not, actually quite the opposite.
    That tends to create a reaction of annoyance since we have the entire fashion and media industries play this game too. So if you want to jump on that bandwagon due to your own perceptions of beauty, feel free, and it's ok, but don't be puzzled when this is pointed out to you.
    This girl is slim, not "curvy" in a sense that you tried to present in your original post. Just own up to it and keep up the good work.

  704. Bonnie

    March 28, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    I love your blog and have no problem with your use of the words 'bigger', 'curvy', 'sturdy' and 'muscular' — you were stating it plainly and with admiration, in my view.

    Others may have attached value judgements to these words. I, for one, love the strength of the words as much as I love Angelika's figure — the boldness of her footwear would look wrong on someone with daintier proportions.

    Please keep doing what you do. Your eye sees beauty in unexpected ways and places and mincing your words would be a disservice. Just keep saying it as you see it!

  705. Michael Chen

    March 28, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    I'm going to defend Scott on this one. He is simply stating that she in comparison to the press coverage of females in the genre, she would be an anomaly. He never said this was a bad thing.

    Pretending everyone is the same would naive and ignorant, he's CELEBRATING our differences. That's a good thing.

    I think it's swell that he's taking a risk here and sparking this conversation. Keep it up!

  706. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    your update is well said. i loved that you commented on her physique in a respectful and flattering way.
    please keep them coming.

  707. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    "Normal is relative"
    Thank you, Scott.

  708. Helena Lucey

    March 28, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    Some people just like to argue for the sake of arguing. You can't win them all. I understand completely what you were trying to say and you were just being honest, she is of a bigger size than most of the streetstyle/fashion bloggers you see in the press, but just because a woman has curves doesn't mean you are calling them fat. Like many posts you have done in the past this lady demonstrates how to where clothes for your shape and most importantly the correct size. She looks amazing, but honestly she isn't fashion size and thats just the truth, neither am I, like this lady we'd all be alot happier if we accepted the size and shape we are and learn to wear the right size and cut for our bodies because we can't all have the body of catwalk model.

    thanks for the lovely posts, I'll stop ranting now.

  709. ADJ

    March 28, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    There is not real language… I think it is nice to just read a person of your caliber referring to woman as curvy rather than fat. Frankly, that is a statement unto itself. Being a voluptuous woman myself, I appreciate this post and think that this woman portrayed is bad ass beautiful. Thanks for this.

    http://www.greeneggsandglam.blogspot.com

  710. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    Am I the only one who has a problem with a man defining feminine beauty? I know that has historically been the norm but it still just rubs me the wrong way.

  711. Patty Petunia

    March 28, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    After reading your update to this post I feel the need to comment for the first time:
    I would say Curvy is a completely legitimate word to use, and flattering. "Big" however probably isn't quite so flattering. I'm a short woman, size 8-10 (depending) and am very "curvy" myself and although I have some big "parts" I certainly would want someone calling me "big" in print. Even if "big" was also a comment on her height, it's just not a great choice of adjective.

  712. Dr ACP

    March 28, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    Unfortunately the word curvy has become synonymous with being fat or overweight. This began some twenty plus years ago when the mid-priced fashion industry was reaching out to larger woman in a very successful attempt to market to plus sized woman. When I was a kid, a curvy woman was sexy. People like Marilyn Monroe, Sophia Loren, Manson, and Mamie Van Doren
    were sex goddesses and not considered fat or overweight. I used to sell Haute Couture. When a woman needed a larger size I would simply say "you need a more generous size or bring the next size up and not tell them. This is such a touchy subject. In all honesty I don't think there is a way you can broach this subject without controversy because its just too twisted at this point.

  713. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    Hi Scott,

    Please provide her blod id/URL.

    XX

  714. lost_

    March 28, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    "To be honest, you can't really see in these photographs most of the curves – chest, stomach, hip – this woman has."

    Hi Scott, when you put it like that, it just comes across as a bit more offensive. Anyway, if you know we can't see it, that's probably the reason so many people are taking offence to it – she looks lean and muscular/strong, and I don't see a "curvy" girl (which brings to mind Kim Kardashian, etc).

    Politically correct or not, some words are more laden with meaning than others. From the point of view of girls recovering from eating disorders, or girls who are almost falling into such disorders, a post like this just increases the need for them to be stick-thin and thus further distorts body perceptions.

    Maybe you're right and I know you don't mean offence, but like you said, we can't see it.

  715. Liz

    March 28, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    Something I will never understand is why women feel the need qualify words like curvy, model, and skinny, by associating them with words like healthy, normal, and beautiful. This woman could be perceived as possessing all of these traits by different eyes, and none of them are wrong. Thank you for the images you share, showing your readers the people who inspire you.

  716. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    While I would agree that this is a beautiful young woman with a lovely figure, I do not agree that she looks best in skin-tight jeans. There are men who would not look good in skinny jeans either, so this is not a matter of sexism! It's just a matter of wearing what flatters you. These pants do not flatter this young woman at all.

  717. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Scott,
    I've been a fan of your blog for years, and this is the first time I've commented. When did "curvy" become a derogatory term? I think people are too sensitive about this. Your description of her made perfect sense for the point you were trying to make about proportion, etc., and I agree with your opinion of the word "normal." I myself am petite and slim…am I not "normal?"

    Right on. Keep on keepin' on. And thanks for your honesty, as always.
    -M

  718. susi

    March 28, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    I've been casually following your blog, and bookmarked this post in my Reader even before the Update on the wording. It struck a chord with me.

    I'm 5'3 and have similar proportions as her, as well as shapelier legs. I call myself curvy because that's what I've got!

    You are right that 'normal' is all relative — I'm considered bigger and curvier among the women in my family, but average or tiny among friends.

    I personally feel your description was nothing other than 'accurate', and I can appreciate that. So kudos and I am voting for more posts on regular, normal, curvy, bigger, fabulous women, or whatever people want to label us as.

    cheers

  719. fshnvctm

    March 28, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    All the women you capture have a beauty all their own. We can see as followers that you too have an appreciation of them and don't limit them to whatever is termed "normal". Speaking from my own personal place, now as a 52 year old woman who has always enjoyed and loved fashion, I was truly thrilled to see all the lovely women you showed last week. It's telling, it shows me that what we were in our youth applies to how we are as "elder", that fashion doesn't go away as we age, it just creates the same yet a bit of fashion whimsy, elegance, sophistication and command of one's solid signature look. Thank you for always bringing intrigue to our eyes. It's lovely. Annabelle

  720. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    Interesting how people don't tend to get as offended when a girl's shape is described as "boyish". As one of those girls I would love to be called curvy.

  721. AKB

    March 28, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    Unfortunately the word curvy has become synonymous with fat. I can't even count how many times I've seen obese women describe themselves as curvy. It's become a safe word. When in fact anyone of any stature can be curvy, even thin women. I know girls who are 5 feet tall and 100 lbs. and just happen to carry extra weight in the bust and hips. I would categorize them as curvy. And the truth is that many fashion girls aren't just thin, they're skinny. I see what you're saying. Here's a woman who has more curves than the average fashion blogger. Curves do not equal overweight. People who use the word "curvy" need to re-evaluate.

  722. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    I just read a lot of the comments. To me the issue is NOT what body shape someone is, but what styles compliment body shape, whatever it may be. And skin-tight jeans that buckle and wrinkle at the derriere and knees just do not compliment very many people. Only the runway-thin, and even then, not always them either. I'm sorry, but it is true.

    It's the reality of jeans, actually. Jeans were not invented with the female form in mind.

  723. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    For me, it was startling to see the description "bigger and curvier" after viewing pics of a girl who looks small or height/weight proportionate. For me, it just underlines the difference in "fashion normal" and "non-fashion normal." It made me feel sad, as I'm her size, and don't think of myself as "bigger." (Bigger than what?)

  724. Lucinda

    March 28, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    My shape is probably similar to Angelika's (it's hard to tell) and like her, I use strong shoes to lengthen and balance out my frame.

    Scott, I don't have any issues with your observations, they are quite valid. I don't mind the word curvy either however its meaning is now too broad. Descriptive words like sturdy, athletic, muscular, top-heavy, bottom-heavy, hourglass are more meaningful.

  725. Taylor

    March 28, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    I agree with many of the posters here. I think the way to handle the situation best is by not mentioning it at all. You're here to comment on clothes, not body types. Merely by posting images of girls that we can all plainly see aren't size 0 model types will do justice enough. Better left unmentioned.

  726. Polley

    March 28, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    Some alternatives to curvy to describe her shape could be 'feminine' or 'womanly'. Feminine as opposed to skinny girls and models who are often associated with having the body of young boys… not that this is wrong, women exist in every shape and size, and as you said, it's relative. After all bigger hips, breasts, butt, etc of a woman are associated with femininity.

    Or instead of curvy perhaps curvaceous.

    I didn't find your comments offending until I read the edit, even though I think my size is similar to hers. However, to improve your description of her you could use modifying adjectives as in 'slightly bigger' when comparing her to other bloggers.

    I do enjoy your commentary on the leg shape to shoe chunkiness, so please don't omit, even if it may not please some of your readers. I already said I find my size similar to her's and I can agree on the chunky shoe, looks so much better than a dainty heel, at least for most occasions!

  727. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    I appreciate that you try to highlight the appeal this lovely girl has despite the disparity between her body type and that of, say, an American Apparel model, but I feel that by making her figure a talking point, you're inadvertently reinforcing not only the place that a certain body type has in the collective psyche, but some of the less secure readers' efforts to fit that mold.

  728. featherlessturkey

    March 28, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    i appreciate you desire to be more understanding of the subject. as you can see here it's a sensitive one.
    why should the word "curvy" be offensive? dove company mass markets their models as curvy. they even campaign for "curvy calendar girls", so when did curvy start having negative connotations?
    of course the girl posted above is curvy, she's shot from the side so it may not appear as much. tho i don't believe her wearing dainty shoes would be "overpowered" by her body shape.
    curves refer to shape, and size is size. large, medium, petite as always.
    last note: "regular" (at least for me) has some negative connotations. i think of the word "ordinary", also i wonder what "irregular" looks like.

  729. Le Chic Boutique

    March 28, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    Gosh, who is this lovely blogger who is so blogged..? :)

    http://le-chic-boutique.blogspot.com

  730. Merrady

    March 28, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    If my husband called me "bigger", "sturdier", or implied I had "curves in my stomach", he would be in serious trouble. I understand the point you were making, but believe there about one million better ways to make it. Such as "the shape of her heel complements the curve in her calf perfectly", or "her tall, toned frame stood out in a sea of waifs". If this girl actually is curvy, as you say, it is tactless to bring it up unless that is part of her schtick, e.g. she is a plus-size model or she specifically blogs about fashion for curvy women. I am 6' tall, and a US size 6/8. My friends think I'm sooo skinny, and ask me why I don't model. But compared to models I am "bigger" "curvier" and "sturdier". If I was described that way on an enormously popular fashion blog, I would be mortified.

  731. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    "I loved that she's a bigger, curvier girl than most of the other bloggers who you see in the press and tend to represent the genre."

    I'm actually quoting you because it seems like this sentence wasn't, most of the time, understood correctly.

    You're actually not even saying that she's curvy or even big. You making a comparison. Compare to most of the blogger, yes, she might be a bit bigger, or curvier. And I don't see why being called curvy should be a problem? What's wrong with having curves?

    Anyway, when I read this post I really wasn't shocked by the words you used, I felt you've had just really appreciate to see some difference and plus, really well assumed difference. And I was actually quite surprised when I saw you did an update…

    I feel like weight as become such an issue that the minute you use word like 'bigger' or 'curvier', you get criticize, even if you're not actually saying that the person is big. We need to be carefull, not with the words we used, but with how we perceive them.

    I hope I didn't made too many errors and that I was clear, since english isn't my first language.

    I really appreciate your blog, it has given me such a new perspective of what is style, and what is fashion.

    Thank you.

  732. theproperorderofthings

    March 28, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    There is nothing wrong with the word curvy, it's a descriptive term that accurately communicates the physical attributes of someone who has curves, whether they come from weight, or bone structure, or genetic makeup, or even are engineered by an article of clothing like a belt, etc… "Normal" though – how does anyone define normal? It's totally subjective… As someone who A) has some curves regardless of what weight I'm at & B) whose weight fluctuates much like most womens weight, I totally appreciate your use of the word "curvy", much more than I would the word "normal"…

    xo, http://www.theproperorderofthings.com

  733. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    Ok am I the only one who noticed her amazing cheekbones?

  734. Ramona

    March 28, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    I appreciate the attempt to showcase stylish women of all sizes, but why do you feel the need to comment on her size at all. Why not just feature these pics and comment on her style without the references to her body type?

  735. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    This is your blog. Use whatever words you want! Before reading the commentary I looked at the picture and LOVED it! The woman is gorgeous with great fashion sense. Keep bringing on some "curvy" girls! Love to know I don't have to be a 0 or a 2 to pull off great fashion.

  736. Peter

    March 28, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    What most people think is curvy is actually just fat. Scott was right to call this girl curvy. Is she fat? No. Also never once did he say curvy isn't normal. Does this woman have curves? Yes. Hence the term. Also, have you SEEN the women he usually photographs? In comparison to them, this young lady is curvy. And there's certainly nothing wrong with that.

  737. lc123

    March 28, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    Better than "sturdy: "Fit", "Toned", "Shapely". Instead of saying she's a "bigger, curvier" girl you could say she's "not as model-thin as" most of the other bloggers. That way the other bloggers are stated to be outside the norm (they are) instead of the girl who really fits the norm better.

    LC (a size 6 and I'm still under the norm in the US)

  738. Tex

    March 28, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    I follow your blog routinely – love it. I'm a curvy, older woman. I'm not in the least offended by your choice of adjective. Normal is a relative term, I agree. What's normal, moreover, is there any such thing?! And she's got a really great look.

  739. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    Wow, this post created a lot of discussion.

    I concur with The Blonde Mule's recent post 100% – why even mention size at all? We women can't all be size 0, we simply are not made that way. God forbid you travel through greater parts of Australia/New Zealand and you'll see that 'curvy' women are just that – Angelita looks to be a size 8-10 and in my world, she is not curvy.

  740. Emily

    March 28, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    By all means, share your views that her shoes compliment her shape. But to suggest that this slim, lovely and stylish woman's body is so abnormal compared to other stylish women (or even bloggers) that it warrants a special mention is extremely alarming. Let's be clear- models and fashionistas have abnormal body shapes, whether through hard work, good genes or otherwise. I think you intended to celebrate this woman's body shape, but ended up betraying a very skewed perspective of what a stylish woman looks like. You can do better.

  741. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    This is one "solid girl"…that's it, plain and simple. You're spot on with your comment that shape is relative to what is familiar and prevalent.
    I consult for the "extra-large" clothing market and if you weigh 350 lbs. than this girl is a stick…if you're a size zero, she's heavy. The need to create a special and comforting vocabulary so that women can love their bodies is both disturbing and delusional.
    Your blog has become a forum for so much more than style and expensive accessories…don't shroud the language in a politically correct veil. The camera doesn't lie…

  742. CC

    March 28, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    i second the blonde mule's comment.

    she says it perfectly.

    CC

  743. Liz

    March 28, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    I have to admit … I think she looks "normal" whereas most of your subjects are definitely considered "slim". We're just SO used to seeing skinny women portrayed in the fashion industry, that visually they're considered "normal".

    It's not about semantics; it's about HOW the words are used. Both the women you call "curvy" look of "average" weight to me.

    And it's true – you rarely, if ever photograph women that are considered "overweight" by fashion or general standards; those are the women who like to call themselves "curvy".

    I have an average body type, but I definitely have boobs and a butt. I call myself "curvy". http://www.lizpr.com – you can see me there!

    Thank you for your gorgeous photography!! xo

  744. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    sturdy is a chair, table not legs unless it the bottom man on a tumbling team

  745. Stuart

    March 28, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    She's as beautiful as any woman I've ever seen! I think it's wonderful the way you feature people of all ages and body types, please keep up the great work, a healthy corrective to the overabundance of distorted body types we are subjected to.

    It's too bad about the pc stuff getting in the way, hopefully it will fade out soon and we can get on with open conversations that are not hampered by self-censorship.

  746. lang

    March 28, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    There is no modern way to talk about size. It's not for polite conversation. I couldn't believe the words as I read your blog, "bigger," "curvier," and scrolled down to see what you were talking about. It couldn't be the lovely girl I was seeing… Perhaps you meant "taller," and should leave it at that? Otherwise, it would only be fair to describe other girls you shoot as "painfully thin," "angular," "exercise for 4 hours a day" (an ex-Vogue editor). You must know that women read your blog – please try to keep your preponderances to yourself – as your photographs indeed say quite enough.

  747. Babette

    March 28, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    Re : normal, I think most people refer to the body mass index, the ratio of the height and weight. Let's face it, tall thin skinny people are a minority!
    Apart from that, what I love most about your pictures is when you capture the natural grace inhabiting the men and women, regardless of their up-to date style or not, their youth or their proportions. They seem to be lit from within!
    Of course you have an incredible eye and talent (et Garance aussi, by the way). Bravo et merci
    P.S. From what I wrote, you must guess that I'd love to see more offbeat characters.

  748. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    would you please post the name of her blog? much thanks!

  749. IDSOM

    March 28, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    what is the link to her blog? being a bigger woman too i'd like to see how she dresses.

  750. SuperK

    March 28, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    I so respect your desire to openly have this dialogue…unfortunately I don't have anything to add as I do not find the word curvy offensive. Love your work!

  751. ellequinn

    March 28, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    It seems the idea of body image has become such a delicate subject that people take offence to even the words of admiration. Sturdy, curvy and big are not, and should not be negative words of description. In the same sense, people call girls skinny all the time to their face, often in bouts of jealousy and/or bitterness, and this is not considered Faux Pas. Beauty is all relative and I know many "skinny'"girls who would rather have curves, just like some "bigger" girls would rather be skinny. The over sensitivity to these words is part of what creates bad body image in girls. People have different shapes, different metabolisms and different styles. I think it is highly commendable that you are showing a variety of humanity in your blog. It is refreshing, respectful and shows your appreciation of beauty and style in all its diverse forms. It saddens me to hear people critique your use of words. Keep up the brilliant and inspiring work.

  752. Holly

    March 28, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    Oh for heaven's sake! Curvy does not equal bad! Curvy is good! Word choice is perfect!

  753. Yielly

    March 28, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    I love that you put these pictures up, so thank you. And I really do wish there were more girls who looked like this (like me, really), on your blog, though I know that that's not always possible for you to do.

    She's got killer style and I'd love to know her blog, like several of the other people commenting here. As well: she's a fellow Canon user. EPIC! :)

  754. Suzy Wu

    March 28, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    SO, I was SURE that you've mentioned some kind of body shape in the past i.e. slim/skinny since you always talk about proportions, but I was wrong! You used those terms in the context of 'fit' but never on a person. You've also said 'curves' before but in the context of 'showing off the curves'. Therefore, I think it is fair to just leave curvy/stocky out of the descriptions.

    I totally agree that you should NOT use 'normal'. So what now? the "skinnier" girls walking on the street now are not normal?? That's absurd…

    You've posted girls of her proportions before without description. And even without it, what you tried to show was still very obvious. So I agree on just commenting on proportions and leaving out descriptions on body type. It's TRICKY, but definitely will avoid this kind of reaction.

  755. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    WOW everyone just needs to chill out. There is nothing wrong with curves, I get what Scott is saying she is not a skinny girl she is a woman…. people are taking this PC too far.

    Curves are sexy and you are all acting like it's an insult, like he is saying she is fat which he is not, he is referring to her being not your cliche fashionista that is usually stick thin and lives on air alone.

    Shame on you!

  756. jilly

    March 28, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    As someone who refers to herself as curvy as well as larger, I say go ahead, and thank you for representing personal style across age and size ranges. To be completely inclusive in the world of fashion without stepping on eggshells or making a platform or gimmick out of any ideal would be a great thing. I remember Garance trying to make a similar point once before and it got taken completely out of context. It's such a shame.

    As for using the word "curvy" I think it totally applies here. When you compare this woman to the woman in the post below she is definitely curvier. Even with a coat on, you can tell there is a dramatic difference between her chest, waist, and hip measurements. How is that not curvy? At the same time, the girl in the post below is perfectly healthy, beautiful and happy looking. Which one is "normal"?

  757. Lola

    March 28, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    never call a woman "big"! take it from me, at 5'10 and 150lbs i am by no means "fat" or "curvy" but when i hear the word "big" to describe me, it makes me feel like crap. couldn't you say something like "not model size". curvy doesn't feel like a bad word to me, but this woman just doesn't look curvy. she just looks…not super skinny. i don't know of a more eloquent way to say that, but "curvy" just doesn't seem to describe this woman. also, who cares?? she's beautiful and has interesting style. why even comment on her shape? i'm sure it made her feel GREAT that you pointed out her size! (sarcasm)

  758. Mads

    March 28, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    I do not think there is any reason to get upset about the word 'curvy'! No one has a 'normal' body shape, however it seems that most people, particularly women, associate 'normal' with their own body shape because that is what's normal to them.

    I have 'curvy' legs, and a small frame? I'm not offended in the least by your post because it simply is what it is.
    I love seeing posts like this, because I know that there are certain shoes, and lengths of skirts and dresses etc that complement my particular body shape, and it is something that we should all be aware of- no matter what your size or shape.

    It frustrates me when people make such a big deal about 'real' women being represented in the fashion world. It is rarely about size, unless you want to be a catwalk model- who in reality is simply a well structured, walking coat hanger.

    The images you select to post on your blog have nothing to do with whether someone is big or small, it has to do with the aesthetics of fashion; the wonderful, personal, innovative and inspirational style of individuals.

  759. minted charm

    March 28, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    curvy is a body shape. one may be thin but still be curvy. we are all blessed with some sort of shape and it should not be an issue. the word is just an adjective.

    the only thing i see is her incredible style, and those shoes! i am already in love.

    cheers

  760. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    About five decades or more ago that was Marilyn Monroe……. and no one had a problem with MM…..she was a 12-14 and the standard by which ALL others were judged.

    So those sacred numbers that everyone is so obsessed about have been changed to "protect" the innocent,
    so that they will continue to buy clothes and "FEEL" that they are the perfect size….kinda twisted don't cha think?

    Gladman

  761. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    This is the first time I've felt the need to comment on this blog, and I've been reading it for a while now. I agree with what a lot of others are saying – this woman does not look "big" or "sturdy" to the average person, and her shape should not be mentioned in the context of a street style blog. It has nothing to do with HOW you speak about size – it's the fact that you are mentioning it at all that is insulting. Yeah, she's not a model – but I wasn't aware that street photographers only shot models, or that all fashion bloggers were model-sized. So it's not that your assessment is politically incorrect – it is, quite simply, incorrect. Compared to the average person in ANY country (Italy, France, certainly the US), this woman is not "sturdy."

  762. Silk&Burlap

    March 28, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    She is fabulous! Her curves are gorgeous, love the shoes. A perfect balance. Thanks for the inspiration.

    -ss

    http://www.silkandburlap.com

  763. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    my issue with it is that she doesn't seem "curvier" than the "non-curvy" body type you say is so prevalent: she has very thin legs. perhaps she is slightly more muscular?

    anyways, to consider her a progressive expansion of the body-types covered by the sartorialist just seems kind of sad. it means that the window of what can possibly be stylish is so hopelessly narrow:

    if this is the token "curvy" girl who can "make her proportions work", most people are still excluded from our definition of beautiful. you know?

  764. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    Someone could be quite heavy and not have curves. Someone can be quite thin and not have curves. You can have a very petite girl who is curvy- according to my understanding of the word- it has to do with shape and not weight. Consequently, the more curve you have, the more weight there is (to give some curve!) So can't we embrace the word curvy as it was used- what I think was in way that was really appreciate of the figure and the fact that she knew how to dress accordingly.

  765. Kash

    March 28, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    First off, it's fantastic that you have opened up this discussion on your blog. While I sympathize with the frustration that must accompany this kind of linguistic gymnastics, I nevertheless feel that it is important to pay attention to the ways in which words work together to create positive or negative profiles. While it is silly to get so caught up in the language that the message isn't conveyed at all, it is equally silly to pretend that the words used do not have power.

    I agree with some of the other comments that the word "curvy" is not itself the issue; "curvy" is a lovely word, I think, and quite complementary (my grandmother would have called her "shapely").

    The issue, I think, is in the cohort of words that accompanies "curvy": bigger, sturdier. The comparative implications of these words are what seem to be causing some anxiety–not surprising, perhaps, considering the troubling effects that defining beauty comparatively can have. Would it be possible to rephrase a sentence such as "I loved that she's a bigger, curvier girl than most of the other bloggers…" to "I loved that her curvy body shape added diversity to the bloggers who generally appear in the press"? (Or something similar, that sentence may be really rough!)

    Either way, I appreciate both the intentions (and amazing shoes) of the first post and the thoughtfulness of the response. I hope that this reaction doesn't deter you from continuing to post such lovely images!

  766. Kate

    March 28, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    how about "shape" the girl's got shape. as in size 0 girls do not, but most of us do.

  767. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    So offensive to comment on her weight at all.
    You don't comment on the unflattering angles of your skinny subjects.
    Why would you insult a woman on your blog by calling her sturdy? Yikes.

    Please be a pioneer for style not an archaist for body image.

  768. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    I think this woman is beautiful in her style, form, and figure, but those coming to her "defense," let's dispense with the harsh words concerning women who are naturally slender and petite. This woman is clearly at peace (or in harmony) with her appearance, and I love the post and the commentary…Different body shapes and sizes provide avenues for exploring a range of self-expression with clothes, it would be a shame to ruin something as beautiful and free with negative remarks and attitudes toward anyone.

  769. RX-SZ

    March 28, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    I like the fact that you defended your description. It is true that the word curvy is often misunderstood for being big. But it doesnt mean that. So thanks for addressing that in your blog!

  770. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Curvy is fine. I remember Christy Turlington being described as curvy. Adding "bigger" to curvier is the mistake.

    This girl is not big. She is shapely. She is fit and healthy. She is beautiful.

    p.s. not a fan of these shoes.

  771. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    She is Curvy and your statement is correct, "Curvy" is a body shape and NOT weight. Don't let people hijack your post by turning it into a political statement.

    Your photo of Angelika is beautiful and she is curvy – in that she has curves. Much like Herve Leger's recent criticism on the use of skinny "no shaped" models or "lack of curves".

    This blog is a wonder daily documentary of one person's observations on people and fashion. You're right about Angelika's skill in balancing her curvy legs with bold shoes. Your commentary on fashion and how people put themselves together are pretty much spot on, helpful and never derogatory. I'm sure if you spotted a heavy set man or woman who is especially stylish or put together you would photograph them.

    If people want to see other body types then they can go out, photograph people themselves and start their own blogs. Of course everyone has an opinion, but this is your blog, viewers should enjoy what you present to them on a daily basis, for free, as a gift.

  772. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    i) Garance got competition…lol

    ii) Garance wont get jealous you are checking out other bloggers…lol

    iii) the chick is gorgeous… real gorgeous… curvy/curvaceous/thick/chunk what ever you wanna call it.. i can tell from the pic she has a amazing body ratio….. everything balances

    iv) also, if you are a person of color (black or brown) we all know being curvy is what guys want… we embrace it… and is definitely not a negative team

    i have a gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous friend… amazing style and aura… and she describes herself as being thick…. shes half black and white… she was born with curves and has embraced it..lol

    M A R L O

    ps.. how can i check out her blog

  773. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    Listen, I like your photography, you are a great photographer with great retouching and editing skills. But lets be real here, scott, you have a very skewed perception of beauty and you try to transport you reader to a fantasy land where everyone is beautiful perfect and skinny. The skin never has a single mistake and the hair always looking like she rolled out of a coiffure. This is no longer really REAL LIFE street style blogging, its you looking for people that fit your idea of what makes good picture for your blog. SO please stop pretending that you are going out to appreciate the beauty of the world, you just ook for a definition of beauty that wil make your blog more beautiful and more loved by the fashion crowd. You do not inspire style. You do not inspire creativity or difference. Your words on this photo are proof that you live in this tight perception of what is fit for your blog.

    I can not believe that your only defense is that this is a matter of semantics. Come on, if anyone called your daughter curvy at school and she came crying to you would you console her by telling her that? You think this woman is not normal hence you found the eed to point out the fact that she was curvy, i dont see you calling skinnier than normal girls "toothpicks".

    I feel bad for the girl whose picture was taken. You started a debate that would have never happened were it not for your tactless and unnecessary caption in the bottom.

  774. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    It's refreshing to see someone who doesn't look like an Estonian giraffe. She has muscle on her leg, not the skinny flab that one sees on runways.

  775. Anne

    March 28, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    As for term correctness, you probably will never get it right to please everyone. You probably could have talked about her strong legs instead of her curves in relation to the shoes. Perhaps, stick to just posting pictures of people of all shapes and sizes and without assigning a term if you want to please everyone.

  776. Angela

    March 28, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    I applaud your use of the word "sturdy"…and "curvy".

  777. Sidney

    March 28, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    This discussion reminds me why people hide under avatars in social media websites and stay home alone eating boxes of ice-cream while typing they are "so cool". How about all the politically correct get out on the street and speak more, love more, eat more and share more sturdy and curvy moments with other human beings? With so much crap going on in the world I find lots of people still lose energy with the wrong things. Keep doind what u do best, Scott. Cheers!

  778. Gatita

    March 28, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    you can say healthy, normal, not anorexic, athletic, sexy, fit, womanly… but she's definitely not big! She's a hot WOMAN!
    And her style is perfect for her great body! :)

  779. Sarah

    March 28, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    How would I describe her? Quite simple. She is statuesque and gorgeous. Her shoes capitalize on and accentuate her regal figure.

  780. Paula

    March 28, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    Hello,

    As I read your original post of Angelika; I get what you're trying to say, she's not the skinny girl you normally see outside fashion shows and were admiring her body and style. But I believe that the point of contention is by pointing it out the way "they" always do. Curvy.

    Curvy? Ok. But why not just applaud and comment on what you do like. She has phenomenal legs, or she has such a nice collar bone, or she has such a beautiful figure, small waist and buxom chest. I think that it's better to point out directly what it is you love. To be specific, that way everyone will have no problem with interpretation.

    In the end, one's intention is prevalent and I believe you only meant to praise her. However, if you begin to praise what is "curvy" then you must also praise what is the opposite "skinny", no?

  781. Farmer Beth

    March 28, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    Thanks for opening up the curvy conversation. Me, I like the word curvy. I'm a lot curvier than the woman in the picture, and I prefer that word to some of the others that jump into my head on days when I feel bad about myself. It's all relative. She may have a bolder body than your average supermodel, but her self-confidence and excellent taste in shoes show how compellingly beautiful she is. I appreciate the way you turn your poetic lens toward different bodies for style.

  782. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    I dont think that youre using the word curvy in a bad way, in fact, youre flattering all of us , and the way that they dress to use their bodies and look nice

  783. Ira McGuire

    March 28, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    Isn't it a sad indictment when women immediately associate 'curvy' with 'big'?
    I have a 'sporty' figure – to me it always sounds like 'flat chested' or 'boy-like'. Which, when I think about it, is ridiculous – I'm healthy and very fit!
    But the description of 'curvy' somehow equals polite terminology for 'big'. (Same as 'womanly'.)
    Nuts? Yes.
    This girl may be curvy, but you can't tell since she is standing sideways. In any case – does it really matter?
    I'd say use it – then maybe we can all get over it.

  784. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    Curvy is a shape, not a size. Most models need to be thin to fit in to the samples. Their lack of weight usually makes them pretty straight and shapeless. Like hangers, the clothes look great on them, and you see the clothes, not the shape underneath. People in all sizes can be curvy. It's a silhouette, not a size. Bravo for using the word curvy to describe her legs. That's what they ARE. They have a shape, and that shape has curves. Beautiful ones!!!

  785. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    huh, I've never seen you comment on the size of a male subject.

  786. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    Thank you Scott for your update!

    I guess I think I know what you mean here, and that might be to try to use the word curvy without any negative meaning. Marilyn Monroe was curvy, actually she was the bodyfication of the word curvy, and no one would find it offended to be compared to MM! But she would never be calles sturdy, or biggER.
    You asked how you should describe someone's body type, what word to use. Hmm, why describe someone's body and someone's not? You shoot a lot of really really thin girls here, why not describe them? Like :" Oh this skirt matches so well her hips, which she don't have, this girls is SO skinny" etc.
    The point is you wrote those words as sturdy, bigger, curvy, in a way as she would have been a size XL. Which she is not.

  787. Jane

    March 28, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    No need to be apologetic about how people respond to descriptors like 'curvy' .
    You have the intention to expose your audience/readers/followers to a wide variety of beauty; you do that. Their response is theirs to own. By showing them a wide variety of men and women and the ways they express themselves, you make your blog relevant instead of just another fashion of fad followers. Carry on and don't ask for approval, you're doing a great job.

  788. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    Maybe the Yiddish term "zaftig" would be more descriptive (and less contentious) since it's definition of "having a full, shapely figure" was, I believe, the intent of the post. Though it may be interpreted as pleasingly plump, it is still a compliment, and that also seemed to be Scott's intention.

    Sandy J

  789. Lucia

    March 28, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    I try to understand why so many people is upset about the used words to describe that girl. I think the reason is because we never see a description of the size of the woman if she is thin. We never see something like "she knows how to balance her skinny legs". Some how, the message is: there is no need to mention because she is normal. But we, not skinny woman around the world, we know that´s not true. Skinny legs are not normal, they are just one kind of legs.
    I think the size of the woman is something to consider when we talk about her outfit. But we should talk about her size if she is fat, medium or thin and not only talk about this when the woman is not thin like a wire. Then people will appreciate that comment and will not misunderstood it.

  790. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    You are doing a GREAT job sharing stye of various ages, shapes, style, body-types, colors and classes so BRAVO!

    I'm an American gal and will tell you – CURVY is a euphemism for FAT – that's what TV has taught us and that's why you got flack for using the word. They heard the F-Word when you were saying the C-word. In my experience this confusion doesn't exist in most of Europe or South America.

    It's just word choice that was freaking out the PC-police, so if you really want to steer around them just find other words, and avoid the word "curvy," that's all!

    Better yet ignore everything I just said!

  791. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    where can we find her blog? (this is after googling as many combinations of the information you provided as i could; i still couldn't find it!)

  792. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    When I see this women I think "athletic." To me this word describes anyone with defined muscles. It's not fat or big, it's just muscular. Is that not what "curves" are about? The beautiful lines of a women's silhouette where ones eye travels from the curve of the neck to the curve of the bust to the waist to the derriere, thighs, calf and ending at the last curve of the ankle. It shouldn't be offensive to use "curvy" because in fact that is what the human body is all about.

  793. ice

    March 28, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    I understand that coming from the world of fashion, where many female models are undeniably skinny, this woman would look "curvier" to you.

    However, like other commenters, I do take issue with your use of the word sturdy, especially as you felt the need to qualify it with the word but as in sturdy "but beautiful." This is why the word sturdy seems to imply heavy.

    Semantics do matter. May I suggest that you change "sturdy but beautiful to sturdy and beautiful. Or you could use strong instead of sturdy and drop "but beautiful".

    I understand that we all have our own way of looking at things. And sturdy legs may not be beautiful to you. But I think that one of the reasons why I and so many people continue to view your blog is that you celebrate many different kinds of beauty.

  794. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    Wow! Who would have thought the word "curvy" could be such a hotbed of discussion. I have always had "strong" calves and a "strong" – not dainty- shoe is indeed the best balance. I have also used the words "curvy" and " big" (when I'm frustrated)
    This site is inspirational and I draw ideas from it, and adapt it to my own style, my own body type, my own age. I don't need to see pictures of my exact body-type to draw inspiration. I love the beauty and diversity of style portrayed in beautiful photography. Don't take photos to fill an agenda of bodytype! Continue to take photos for what this is all meant to be: STYLE.
    That's just my small input: from a loyal fan.

  795. Anonymous

    March 28, 2011 at 11:59 pm

  796. honeybunny

    March 29, 2011 at 12:03 am

    Thank you for opening a conversation about women's bodies and for featuring a beautiful girl who's bigger than most models/featured socialites and fashionistas (as sad as that is).

    That said, it's totes understandable to me that your description of her raised some hackles. "Curvy" suggests that you think of her body as unusually big for her height, and from the photos that is just nuts to me given the context of virtually any random sampling of women. Talking about her as a big variation from the norm (or the average/mode, whatever) must be enormously frustrating to most women, because they are much bigger than her (average dress size for a woman in the US is 12).

    That girl looks like she would be quite thin relative to most women–in fact, she appears to have a size/height ratio to which most women would love to slim down. I can't see much of the top half of her body, but even from what you call her "sturdy" legs I can see that she must be pretty small–my curvier friends would look way bigger at these angles.

  797. kage

    March 29, 2011 at 12:07 am

    I'll admit, my eyebrows raised when I read "bigger and curvier." If by "bigger" you mean tall, maybe just say tall – I'm 5'11" and if someone called me "bigger," I would probably feel a bit slighted. And as for curvy … she just doesn't look curvy at all, her thighs are slim, her hips look narrow, she doesn't seem to have a large bust.

    I think that underneath it all, women who see her and hear a man say "bigger and curvier," feel like the standard they're all being compared against is the unrealistic image they see in magazines and hollywood. In our heads we're all thinking, "If she's 'big and curvy,' then what does that make me?"

  798. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 12:09 am

    I actually understand the use of the word curvy here. Curvy doesn't equal big, it just means un-waifish. There is a difference between applauding curvy, healthy women, and very big women who are just as unhealthy as the very skinny women.

  799. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 12:12 am

    Im with your assessment Sarty. I think it is accurate and i do not detect any disrespect in it.

    She is curvy but no less beautiful than the other girls you exhibit.

  800. abby jane

    March 29, 2011 at 12:14 am

    it's just those words are not usually seen compliments for a woman in this society, it came off sounding like a dis or a slight AND she doesn't look curvy at all in the pictures. she's lovely

  801. DJ Twisted Sister

    March 29, 2011 at 12:18 am

    Whoever she is, or however "curvy/shapely", she is 100% gorgeous!

  802. kamo

    March 29, 2011 at 12:19 am

    I've read a lot of these comments today and I feel like the main problem is not the word choice, but this:

    A woman a few sizes beyond model-size is *so unusual* within the framework of the fashion/blogosphere that it actually needs to be carefully presented and fretted over, as though it is a terribly offensive thing that has never been seen before in civilized culture. *That* is the problem.

    It can be said that there is no normal, which is not incorrect, but a "normal" is established with every post on this blog, every model on the runway, etc. The fact that such as slight deviation from this really speaks to the narrowness of accepted body sizes.

    So therefore, I would argue that it doesn't matter what word you use. Until there is diversity presented to the extent that no comment is necessary, what you're saying is that it's not normal.

    I apologize if this comes across as harsh, I love the style shown on this blog but I've long felt that diversity is lacking in many ways.

  803. Erin

    March 29, 2011 at 12:20 am

    Dear Scott,

    You clearly have an amazing eye, which I why you bring us amazing outfits and beautiful composition daily.

    However, I think the problem here is not as much with the terms that you used so much as the fact that you felt the need to comment on her body at all. The fact that you never comment on the size of your male subjects reinforces the perception that you have a double standard, which is understandably disheartening.

    The fact that you see her as "big" is also worrisome because she is big in comparison to very small models and industry individuals (many of whom, I'd wager, suffer health problems from having too little fat — e.g. amenorrhea), but she is small when compared to the population at large (and a very healthy pear shape at that). Further, "sturdy" invites comparisons to tree trunks and heavy furniture. I'm sure you can understand why that is less than flattering.

    In the future, I suggest that you show greater diversity in size without having to point it out. Just show us impeccable fashion on stylish people of all sizes (more 0-20 than 0-6). Style is style, whether supported by bones, muscle, or fat.

    I applaud your courage and integrity behind posting critical comments on your blog, rather than screening them to show only positive feedback.

    In close, she is fabulous, and her style is amazing. I especially love how demure and statuesque she looks in the second shot.

    Can you send us a link to her blog? I'd love to see what she's capturing.

  804. Amanda

    March 29, 2011 at 12:21 am

    I didn't notice that she was "curvy" until I read your description. Many women who are more than "curvy" or "healthy" still have great style and fashion sense. I see them all the time, and I'm sure in the fashionable places you hang out, you do as well. It would be really really amazing if there was ever a picture of a girl who was actually plump or downright fat on your blog. I challenge you. And if you do this, I recommend you don't bother with a caption at all. Thanks.

  805. SPB

    March 29, 2011 at 12:31 am

    I came across this blog 6 months ago, and since I have felt trully inspired by it, and so I almost feel obliged to comment.

    I understand your point of view completely. Curvy is not a work that refers to weight and much less an insult. I belive curvy to be a compliment, it is a way of describing a women whose body curves are notorious, almost like a renaissance painting of a woman.
    And regarding the "normal" issue, I believe we are all normal, we might be unusual in certain contexts, but normal in our own ways.

    It is great to start seeing blogs with people of all types. Seeing how fashion is everywhere, and how each person adapts his or her style listening to their body.
    Thank you so very much for this blog, its trully a work of art.

  806. Milano Mode

    March 29, 2011 at 12:38 am

    I love that you have been very realistic of women's body images. I am a curvy woman, myself. And the fashion industry seemed to already define the stereotyped body that ladies should possessed. This post is a good wake-up call that women should love and nurture whatever body types they have and not what the magazine covers are saying! May we have more of you!

  807. Jaquilyn

    March 29, 2011 at 12:38 am

    I LOVE that you used the word curvy! I'm tired of hearing the word curvy when it's used as a synonym for overweight/ plus size women. I am 5'6 with an hourglass/ curvy figure. I'm a runner and love my "curvy", feminine figure.
    She has awesome legs and totally pulls off those heels. Not to mention her beautiful face.

    I love your blog and have been a faithful reader for a few years now. :)

  808. Kate

    March 29, 2011 at 12:40 am

    Perhaps the mixed reactions you are having to the word "curvy" have more to do with the various perceptions women have of themselves, rather than the (in)correctness or "modernity" of the term "curvy". I DO love your blog and I DO think it is important to document beauty in various shapes/sizes/ages/ethnicities/genders… and perhaps that undertaking will just include hitting hot button topics like weight. I do not, however, think you should shy away from topics you know will provoke opinion. You know you are doing something interesting when 700+ people have something to say! Bravo!!

  809. Erin

    March 29, 2011 at 12:42 am

    Sorry to post again!

    I found the term I think we're are groping for, the root of our discomfort: disparate treatment.

    Equality (if not a totally representative sample) is all we're asking for: either talk about everybody's body shape or nobody's.

  810. Andrea

    March 29, 2011 at 12:43 am

    I love this shot and want you to know that curvy is the perfect word in my opinion. It does not matter what word you use there will always be someone who wants to something else. This blog is amazing and my friends and I always look forward to seeing what you post to find out what is really happening in the fashion world. The Queen of ♥♥

  811. Victoria in Texas

    March 29, 2011 at 12:45 am

    Bill, you can do no wrong in my eyes. Your writing is equal to the extraordinary qualities of your images — so simple, but oh so difficult to achieve. You reveal exquisite taste, unabashed sophistication and a humility that reminds me of the great Nicholson Baker. You are a master; YOU tell US how to talk about the curvy girls. Speaking as one (D-cup, mom-belly and gymnast-thighs leftover from the 70s), I crave more images of how a 5'-5" 150-pound mom can look chic. Show us those girls… we'll catch up to you.
    thank you for your extraordinary work!

  812. mariatru

    March 29, 2011 at 12:47 am

    Yeah, Yeah… The pic is perfect. As always.

    What's up with all those comment though? I din't think anything of the word Mr.S. used until I've read the update. Then I went to see all the comments – and my mouth fell open.

    I don't think that it is wrong to call her curvy or sturdy or even big (she is tall). This is what this body type is called – and it is NOT bad to have this body type.

    I would think of a person who said that it is wrong to call Angelica curvy or sturdy has some problems – inadequacy complex.
    Come on people!
    There is nothing wrong with the post!

    P.S. – by the way, I have (more or less) Angelica's body type.

  813. Heather

    March 29, 2011 at 12:50 am

    Not sure how to address the verbiage issue here… I wasn't offended or put off by your wording, but then, it wasn't about me. If you had put a picture of me on your blog and labeled me as "curvy" and pointed out the size of my legs, I probably would have been offended. HOWEVER, the main reason I love your blog is that you show people of all shapes and sizes, people who are real, and this is what the world needs. People need to be shown what real is. This woman is gorgeous, no matter what her size, and it was obvious to me that you think that as well. Keep it coming – great stuff!

  814. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 12:51 am

    I would perhaps refer to her as someone whose body is proportionally more typical to the average woman. Sounds like a mouthful, I know!
    Or you could refer to her as someone whose body isn't typical to a model.

    On the point of including more diversity in the shapes of people photographed,
    I'm dying to see some girls who are 5'3 or less.
    It's often hard to dress stylishly if you're short but have curves! I'd love to see how some women do it!

  815. dee

    March 29, 2011 at 12:56 am

    Her calves are as thick as her lower thighs after a lovely indent at her knees, therefore the girl is CURVY. Sheesh people…get over your own insecurities and accept an adjective as just that…a descripton.

    As you were…

  816. Zoe

    March 29, 2011 at 12:57 am

    Frankly, I think what readers are taking issue with is not the specific language you've chosen to talk about this woman's figure but rather the fact that you've chosen to talk about her figure specifically at all. You don't regularly point out body composition, so maybe it's not necessary to point that out in this one case and alienate this photograph from the others on your blog. You wouldn't point out a particularly thin woman (or man). Taboos are strong, and you just happened to have invoked one. No biggie. It happens. The 'damage,' if any, is done. There are no significantly better or more tactful words.

    Humans are sensitive and quick to take offense. It's okay. You are clearly an intelligent, well-meaning person, and as a regular reader, I really appreciate you editing the post to acknowledge your readers' comments and concerns.

  817. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 12:59 am

    i actually think it's offensive that you female posters would consider THIS body type to be normal. are you guys saying women who are skinnier than her or bigger than her to be ABNORMAL then? if you're going to nitpick, then use the word "average." but just so you know, this woman doesn't have an "average" shaped body either. most women in the world are actually skinnier (women in asia and europe are naturally skinnier than north american women and they constitute a much larger proportion of the world's female population)

  818. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 1:02 am

    I love your work and I think you have a real contribution to make about these issues. If you are serious about changing the nature of the discourse, why not lead by example and let your powerful pictures speak for themselves. And maybe take a break from fashion week before your eye becomes permanently distorted and this blog ceases to have anything whatsoever to say about street style.

    If you can't influence the fashion world's isolated and skewed perception of "normal" and promote a more sophisticated appreciation of great personal style through your images, who can?

  819. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 1:04 am

    she is all of those words. he didn't call her fat. He said she was bigger, which is a relative term. He is saying she is bigger than most other bloggers. Most are tiny, often shorter and shapeless. Also, curvier doesn't mean overweight. I am an Australian size 6-8, which is a xs-s, I am curvy. I have a pin sized legs, no waist but a bum and boobs that are uncomfortably large. I get told all the time i am curvy, but I know I am skinny. I don't get why overweight people are called curvy. Yes, some are curvy, others are just round. Curvy is a shape, not a size. This beautiful girl is curvy, but most definitely not fat. The only problem i see is the use of but in the second paragraph. I think it's lovely seeing a girl with a different shape dressing so elegantly. I struggle to dress with my shape.

    I also find it funny that people get excited about seeing a different body shape, but don't notice height. A shorter friend of mine loves seeing a more average weighted model, but don't feel the same about shorter model, even though a shorter model probably gives a better idea of proportions.

  820. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 1:04 am

    Curvy is a shape, not a size….I am a size 6 (in Australia, which is the smallest) yet very curvy.

    Unfortunately curvy and overweight seemed to be lumped together in modern vernacular – such a pity. I find being described as curvy so complimentary.

  821. Rococo

    March 29, 2011 at 1:05 am

    I think a lot of people are taking the word "bigger", out of context here – this article is saying she is "bigger than the other bloggers" out there, which is quite possibly true. It's not saying that she herself is "big" on some sort of world scale, or that it's some sort of negative thing. While it's true that there are fashion bloggers of all sizes and shapes out there, most of the really popular ones tend to be quite tiny.

    She has a great looking healthy body. In response to your request about better adjectives, maybe "toned" is a good one? I wasn't offended by "curvey", however, so maybe I'm not the best person to contribute. In my experience, when someone is described as curvey it's usually a complement.

    http://rococo-blog.blogspot.com/

  822. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 1:08 am

    This day and age, the word 'curvy' is no longer associated with an hourglass figure, but is used in polite conversation as a synonym for overweight. Where it once might have been used as a compliment, a lot of people feel that it has gained a negative connotation.
    As for the definition of a normal person…In the fashion industry, models are generally size 0-2. However, in medical terms their BMI is probably at the lowest end of healthy, if not underweight. 'Normal',or at least my definition of the word, is someone who has a healthy, average BMI.

  823. Photo Backdrop

    March 29, 2011 at 1:12 am

    good shots! its so nice to see those captured candid street scenes. They look so natural.

  824. Charity H

    March 29, 2011 at 1:12 am

    love the concept of "body harmony" and I think is curvy is just fine! (Coming from a petite girl with a curvy lower half:)

  825. Maestro Curtis

    March 29, 2011 at 1:23 am

    I don't see how anyone can misunderstand you. I love the different shapes, ages, colors, etc., represented on your blog, which is why I tune in daily. As a woman of color, a mother of five, a wife, a size 8 and curvy…I love the inspiration I find on your site. Even though I may not look like the size 0 models and small fashionistas, for example, "Anna Dello Russo", I can still appreciate their personal style, charisma and confidence.

  826. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 1:25 am

    Don't have time to read all 750+ comments (whew!) so I hope I'm not just repeating previous points, but…

    I understand what you're saying in your caption: Ms. Angelika is bigger than most fashion industry folks, who tend to starve and/or low-weight-rep themselves until they look like toothpicks strung with dental floss. And rather than cover up her contextually not-usual figure, she celebrates and enhances it with fitted clothes and shoes that play up and complement her strong, curved legs.

    You're not saying anything awful about her–quite the contrary. The fact that you're sort of surprised and struck by her is a sad commentary on the fashion industry, but overall you seem to be celebrating her individualism and strength, albeit a bit awkwardly. (And for those who think that Sart's comments will make her self-conscious, get serious–do you really think she hasn't noticed that most other folks in her industry are size 0s?)

    As for word choice, "sturdy" sounds a little matronly to me (and the "_but_ beautiful" after it was not gracefully done). I like "strong" or "athletic" to describe her body type, since she seems to have a soccer or tennis player's body–lots of lovely strong, toned, fast-twitch muscle there. And while she does have curves, I'd reserve "curvy" for the seriously voluptuous Dita Von Teese types.

    Btw–I love her shoes!!

  827. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 1:27 am

    Please post the image of the lady you met in Paris. Some of us are not overly politically corrective in our thoughts and just appreciate your eye, commentary and enjoy applying ideas – creating body harmony sounds just great to me! Jane x

  828. OceanDreams

    March 29, 2011 at 1:32 am

    the word curvy does not offend me and i think you did a fine job describing her. i am a girl with a small frame (size 3) but who has thick legs and i'm okay with that! this is my first comment on here because this girl caught my eye because she looks more "normal." Yes i know the word normal is relative but in a model world where the majority of girls are super skinny it's refreshing to see someone outside of the mold and guess what?! she's beautiful, curves and all. people shouldn't assume that curvy is a negative word – it should be embraced!!

  829. Kaitlyn

    March 29, 2011 at 1:34 am

    As a woman with some curves I honestly have no problem with Scott's blog post. First, he is saying that this woman is "bigger and curvier" than other bloggers that are currently given press. I completely agree that the majority of fashion blogs that I read are written by women with rather thin figures and therefore see no problem with Scott making a very honest comparison. Secondly, Scott is calling this woman's legs strong. I find it complimentary when people comment on how strong my legs look ( they come from years of sports). Overall, I don't think that using the word curvy in the way that Scott used it is in any way un-PC.

    Also, other posters that are upset with Scott's disection of this woman and her body shape should think twice before they condemn women who are thin. There are many healthy women who are naturally thin and take offense to the assumption that there is something wrong with THEM because of their body shape. Let's embrace ALL shapes and sizes.

    BTW, love this blog, Scott! I always get the greatest ideas from all of your beautiful photos!

  830. Alyssa

    March 29, 2011 at 1:39 am

    The first picture is obviously an unflattering outfit–those jeans would look good on a more lithe figure, but she can't pull it off. Simply unflattering.

    I, too, would agree that she hardly constitutes 'curvy.' I'm surprised, actually, that you being so involved in the fashion industry that the sensitivity of the word is a bit lost on you. She is clearly not the 0 or 00, but could easily be anywhere between 2-6. Please realize that your readership is far reaching, and it includes women who struggle with body image, like myself. Love your intentions, but yes words are powerful, even though a picture may be worth a thousand words.

    Cheers-
    Alyssa

  831. nireenoel

    March 29, 2011 at 1:41 am

    I understand why you justified the pictures with text, but I think the intent & meaning would not have been lost without the description. In seeing the images, I did not even consider her shape or size; I usually look at your images for inspiration in prints, fabrics, play on colors, angles, lighting, proportions, etc…
    Granted, you are free to express yourself as you wish on your own blog, but I don't think you'd lose traffic if you strayed from the formulaic model types without explanation. Your readers are intelligent; they can assess the meaning behind the images you choose to take + post and interpret them as they may.

  832. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 1:43 am

    She's way hotness. Give us more!

  833. Robyn

    March 29, 2011 at 1:48 am

    i appreciate this post, my legs are a very similar shape and im forever trying to shrink them and fit into skinny cigarette pants to no avail. To see them on someone else and how her confidence comes through in her outfit is reassuring and comforting. She does look amazing and i feel good to be the same shape as her. thank you for this post im no longer going to try and change my curves.

  834. Frances

    March 29, 2011 at 1:53 am

    The language in a bunch of these comments is pretty concerning.

    ALL women are 'normal' and 'real'.

    'Curvy' does not equal 'fat', but 'fat' is NOT a negative attribute. I weight 95kg/210lbs and wear plus sizes. I'm fat. This is not a bad thing.

    Scott, there is nothing inherently bad in the language you used. You used neutral adjectives. It's just that you drew attention to her body, when you would not have done the same for a woman that was thinner.

  835. littlesparrow

    March 29, 2011 at 2:00 am

    It's not that I mind her being called curvy.
    The negative connotation really only comes to light when paired with the word bigger, which implies overweight.
    A better word choice for bigger, in my opinion would be robust.

  836. Jennifer

    March 29, 2011 at 2:00 am

    I think the issue here is not merely your "use" of the word 'curvy', but your inherent definition of the word 'curvy'.

    Upon first glance of the two photos you posted, the blogger looks perfectly in tune with all the shots you normally post – long, lean, fashionable, usually European.

    The photo is "normal" for your site. What is not normal is that she exemplifies "curvy" for you.

    In popular culture, "curvy" is used to describe girls like Kim Kardashian, Rihanna, Jennifer Lopez. By no means are these girls "bigger" or "fat", but it is clear from the use of "curvy" that they are not "heroin-chic-model-thin."

    What's causing all the comment ruckus is this – the blogger you posted LOOKS model-thin. Yet you categorize her in a body bracket with women who have ass and boobs.

  837. Kristijonas

    March 29, 2011 at 2:01 am

    Gosh Scott, I love this near-battering you're taking from the mostly female crowd on your blog. Not that I want to see you be the bad guy – nothing like that – but it simply goes to show the rabid physical insecurity that is prevalent in our society. One hint of the *slightest* reference to a person's body shape, the slightest utterance of a word that may be taken the wrong way – and the dogs are off the leash to attack the master.

    I completely understand where you're coming from using those words – "sturdy" and "curvy." In fact, I thought they were near-perfect in the description of this absolutely gorgeous woman. And they were OBJECTIVE descriptors – not personal attacks on a woman's physique.

    A person's opinion on another person's physique is of course going to be a subjective analysis – and comparing this girl to most other women on this blog, it's easy to see why you used those terms. She's tall, beautiful, and *full* – not in a fat, un-attractive sense (Like most women take the word), but in a sexy, healthy way. These angered people should realize that by looking at some other pictures before unleashing this fury of insults. Gosh, have some imagination and humility people.

    I'm absolutely infuriated by the word-bending most women use… I swear, you can't say anything but "great" and not get bashed in the head with myriad of insults. Who cares that the clothing hides most of the "curves" that this girl definitely possesses – any idiot can tell she's got it.

    And damn right it's relevant on the topic of style – you're not judging her physique and trying to knock down her self-esteem, you're making it clear that the clothes and style she's employing – namely those massive, chic shoes – only work because of her physical stature. Just like a low-cut V-neck tee only works on a man with a tanned, broad, full chest, so do massive shoes only work on a girl with full, YES – STURDY – legs. (Would Milan V. be upset when you called his chest "Full" or "Broad?" Hell no!) And what is so wrong with that descriptor? They do look sturdy, like she could squat a considerable weight (This is comment will provoke death threats, I'm sure of it) – and that is extremely attractive.

    Females may read my post here and call me an insulting and ignorant jerk, but ladies, this is what men think. They don't obsess over ridiculous rules that regulate which words you can use, or cannot use, to describe a lady's stature. They say what they see, and what they mean. So for the record, actually UNDERSTAND what he means – look past the emotional reaction you may instinctively have towards a specific word – and objectively assess the poster's dialogue and intent before flaming him.

    It's funny… I see so much love from these fashion enthusiasts on nearly every picture you post – not one hint of disrespect – and then you post something like this – and all hell breaks loose. Goes to show what people are really like: One they they're your best fan and the next your worst enemy.

    Maybe they should actually try to understand what you mean before verbally assaulting you.

    Keep up the great work man – You're a serious inspiration, and a great artist.

  838. Misha Lulu

    March 29, 2011 at 2:05 am

    I think the word " curvy "is perfect! People will always complaint…
    I love that you are representing the fuller figure too and the older.

  839. Suzanne

    March 29, 2011 at 2:14 am

    She is stunning – and those shoes are killer! They (along with the skinny jeans) accentuate the muscles in her legs and bum. She definitely works what she's got.

    I definitely prefer "curvy" to "normal", because having such a fabulous bum isn't exactly the norm, is it? No matter what word you use, it will come out all wrong because all the most appropriate words (curvy, shapely, voluptuous…) have been overused as euphemisms for what would once have been called fat (which she is not). So, I vote for "curvy" as she has curves. They may not be big dramatic shake-the-house-down curves, but they are clearly curves.

  840. Anjana

    March 29, 2011 at 2:15 am

    I don't think they're anything derogatory about the word "Curvy". If anything, I think it's a compliment.

  841. greta

    March 29, 2011 at 2:17 am

    Usually I am not one of those who post the comments, but this time, I would like to thank You for the meaningful UPDATE explaining your thoughts! Beautiful, that is what every girl would think what ever shape she has, and I do not have a problem calling myself curvy or skinny or what ever. If I am happy about myself, no word would hurt my feelings and if my man loves my body, I would never pay attention to someone who measures my body too much :) Beautiful post, thank You.

    Greta

  842. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 2:21 am

    People are way to sensitive over this, comments like 'you don't mention the size of smaller woman' please, would you like a description of a womans body shape as a caption to every photo. This girl is beautiful, and lets face it in the fashion industry we rarely see images of curvy girls.
    Scott I, like many others have become addicted to your blog and it continues to inspire me. Keep up the good work
    xx

  843. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 2:25 am

    "what's the modern way to speak about size?"
    The hope would be that 'fat' goes back to the same usage as 'skinny' perhaps has (though it is also sometimes used derogatorily). If the stigma of body shape were taken away, we would not have to have a discussion about which words adequately hide the truth of what we are trying to say. It should just be ok to be fat or skinny or whatever.

    The first step towards ending body stigma would then be to perhaps stop body policing people that were ostensibly photographed for their fashion… ?

    This post is kind of similar to seeing someone with a face scar wearing a headscarf and complimenting her on how well she hides it. It seems to say that everyone with a scar should hide.

  844. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 2:28 am

    I think words like fun-size could be used to describe a 5 feet tall person who does not have the slender limbs to profess of but overall a cute as a button shape, without a derogatory connotation. Likewise, perhaps curvy could be comprehended at different levels – to mean voluptuous, amazonian, healthy, blossoming, sensuous? Different cultures boast of people in different heights and weights which inevitably influence overall shape and size, so descriptions are quite subjective. That said, I was wondering if you could feature fashion styles of certain racial groups? For instance, the Japanese interpretation on dressing for spring, or the African way of clashing colours in one look? Thanks.
    /s.

  845. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 2:35 am

    Scott, I think it's ridiculous that whilst we celebrate being "normal" we judge so often. As you so rightly said, what is normal? Normal is being ourselves, surely. The word curvy could be used by one person and relished, but used by another it is condemned. What I find most absurd is that everything we say must be censored. Why must the use of the word "curvy" be taken as an insinuation instead of it's actual meaning. Making an observation is no longer as simple as stating facts.

    Like the simple fact that those shoes are brilliant!

  846. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 2:43 am

    People who complain about "curvy" being negative are actually the ones perpetuating the stereotype. The connotations of words are determined by the general population, so as soon as you make one negative, it becomes so. I, for one, think curvy is an excellent way to describe this woman. She has curves, that's it. And curves on a woman are a beautiful, natural thing. I mean, I dig the androgynous look as well, but curvy women who know how to dress themselves well (like the woman in the picture – fantastic shoes) are gorgeous.

  847. Julia

    March 29, 2011 at 2:45 am

    When I first saw these photos I thought: oh, her legs are like mine! And it made me really happy to see a girl like me on your blog. Then I read your comments sturdy/big/curvy and my heart fell…
    I agree with one of the comments above: this photo would have been more of a statement without the explanations. The fact that you commented about it makes it look like you have to justify a girl "like this" appearing on your blog.

  848. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 2:49 am

    I do not find this tight of clothing attractive or appropriate for street wear-note the puckering of the fabric-yuck! The short pant length breaking the line of the legs calls attention to her shoes and punctuates the poor fit of the pant.
    In language that I am comfortable with, this subject appears to have a balanced proportional frame with above average height. People with a mesomorphic body type could be described as sturdy but I feel that this term is impolite as it would be a given and thus implies stocky which does not apply here. Her silhouette has distinctive curves, some of us have more, some have less.
    Curvy is reserved for the most extreme curves.

  849. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 2:51 am

    'Curvy' doesn't necessarily denote 'plus sized'. I for one am 'curvy', however, at a size 8 (uk) you wouldn't call me plus sized or overweight. I have an hour glass figure and not a waif-like model's body – It is this, rather than a euphemism-for-overweight, that he is referring to.

    but most importantly – WHAT IS HER BLOG?

  850. Cecily

    March 29, 2011 at 2:52 am

    To me, just like you,curvy is about bodyshape, about girls with a pronounced hip waist ratio. From the photos you took, this is hard to assess. She looks healthy- not big. Bigger. Bigger than what? Bigger than really skinny. But really skinny is what is abnormal, because in the world in which it is common (fashion), it is achieved through unnatural means- in most cases, it isn't totally natural.

    From the sounds of it, this girl is curvy- you imply she has wide hips,a waist, prominent breasts. Basically, most overt pear shapes and hourglass shapes- regardless of WEIGHT- are curvy. Candice Swanepoel is a wonderful example. But curvy does not mean big, just as big often does not denote curviness.

    So to me, you are right to describe this girl as curvy- but your photos don't show it. Your photos show a healthy girl. Were your photos taken front on, they may have displayed her prominent hip-waist ratio.

    However, if you are going to go out of your way to describe something as mundane as her healthiness (it IS remarkable in the fashion world)- should you then label other girls as bony, skinny, lithe etc?

    By the way- with curves being such a feminine feature, you can often tell from a woman's face whether she will have such a body. And I can tell from Angelika's face- cheekbones,small chin, heart shape- that she is very likely to have the kind of hips that make a girl curvy.

  851. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 2:56 am

    Firstly, beautiful pictures of an exceedingly beautiful girl.

    The problem with the term 'curvy' is that it has been appropriated as a politically correct term for fat, and that, i assume, is what people are taking objection to as this woman is far from it.

    I, to be contray, am going to take objetion to the word 'real' that is being tossed about in the comments. What about the svelte girls who are the normal fare, makes them not 'real'?

    Anyway, the issue of weight is always going to be one that provokes heated debate, despite the wording, especially in the fashion industry.

  852. Julia

    March 29, 2011 at 3:00 am

    please post the name of her blog!

  853. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 3:01 am

    Firstly, I live in Miri, small city in East malaysia.I love your blog….I don't understand why people are overtly sensitive about "curvy", it's sexy and I'm a woman. Stay true to how you see the world thru your passion….Long live Sartorialist!!

  854. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 3:11 am

    What's wrong with curvy, or sturdy, it's all relative anyway. She looks like a real person apart from the daft shoes (try running for a bus in them – but maybe fashion types don't get the bus…). I'm sick of seeing the usual female fashion stick insects and I'd like to see more "normal" body types represented.

  855. laura

    March 29, 2011 at 3:23 am

    … I agree on all, Scott, you have reason perfectly, your observations are intelligent and, above all, not hypocritical

  856. kristen

    March 29, 2011 at 3:25 am

    I don't think it's the word curvy that rubs me the wrong way, but the way you point it out. Frankly, I didn't even notice that her body was different from the skinny girls you normally post. I just saw someone with great style and confidence. But then I read the caption that essentially pointed out that she was different, but it's okay because she's wearing the right shoes, or some nonsense. It's the idea that our bodies can look 'wrong' and we have to make the 'right' choices to make them look less offensive to others. this whole idea of dressing to "flatter" your body comes from the social construct that fatness is wrong. And I think that's why some people find this hard to swallow, but can't quite point out why.

  857. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 3:26 am

    If you're this girls size, you're considered "curvy" in the fashion world as the normal model is size 0-4 on a very tall frame. Besides from actual size, having a pencil shape instead of an hourglass or any other shape is preferred. Models are NOT the average size of any girl in reality. Therefore in fashion you may be considered curvy when in reality you're not. It's all relative. Besides, I think we can all agree that this blogger looks great and proportions well regardless of what the "rules" of size say. That, i think, was the intended point.

  858. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 3:31 am

    Hey,

    I think what you see and what people see are not on the same level. If you shot Angelika face front rather than in profile, we could probably see whether she is 'curvy' or not. Personally, I just see a young woman with a great sense of style.'Sturdy' i agreed with because you would need to have sturdy legs to wear those shoes. I don't understand why some are so bent out of shape for the word. In the fashion world, she would probably be called plus-sized and curvy. In everyday reality, her body type is average. What ever the case, just do what you do best and exercise your own good judgment as this is your blog and we all don't to like everything what you show us.

  859. Volga

    March 29, 2011 at 3:33 am

    Yes, the truth is that the images which we see the most in blogs, fashion magazines, TV changed our perceptional beauty ideal. That is why we (mostly women) feel offended when someone tells us that we look "rounder" which in the past meant healthier, or sportive legs, meaning more muscular. The only thing we want to hear is "you lost weight". Yes, unfortunately. And it was not like this when I was a child (~ 30 years ago). We kids didn't like skinny teachers.
    It is only a hope that blogs could help to change the new ideals for beauty. But seems it is not working effeciently.

  860. Marina

    March 29, 2011 at 3:35 am

    Thank-you. Bor bringing it up. For normalising it.
    Every woman has her own beauty, be it curvy legs, skinny body, beautiful smile, whatever. And I think yo do very well in pointing out every person's uniqueness.
    So, again, thank-you.

    p.s. You should definitely come more to Barcelona :)

  861. PippaJ

    March 29, 2011 at 3:35 am

    Sart,
    Basically, I think all this hoo-ha is merely a case of a well-intentioned man talking about a woman's body in a pragmatic manner which is not the way that women are used to discussing such things. It is perhaps the equivalent of saying "Yes, those pants make you look fat" when nobody asked the question in the first place.

    Some of us have been reading your blog for a while and will know why you find a certain element of fashion/style/outfit interesting without your explanation. Indeed, many of your posts have no text, so perhaps the governing philosophy should be 'if in doubt, don't'. Or ask Garance for a woman's opinion!!

  862. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 3:39 am

    Don' get caught up in words! If a human being catches your artistic eye please posted for all of us to enjoy. I love your site and looking forward to see someone extraordinary every day no matter what gender or size. Thank you, Marcjanna

  863. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 3:43 am

    I have to admit that, before I even realized how many comments had been made on this photo, I was rubbed the wrong way by the words "bigger" and "sturdy." Despite the fact that you were attempting to be flattering, I can guarantee that virtually no woman wants to be described that way. ("Sturdy"… like a piece of furniture??) I have to agree with the commenters who have objected to any mention of her body type at all. Why does it bear mentioning? We can all see, by the image alone, that you're showing a more average-sized woman than you usually do. You don't need to advertise your progressiveness, particularly because that's not what this blog is really about. After all, one healthy looking girl doesn't really change the general tone here, where modelesque types prevail–as they probably should, given that this is a fashion blog, not a body image blog.

  864. Nicole- Australia

    March 29, 2011 at 3:43 am

    Of course her body is curvy- there is a definite curve to the lines of her body well depicted by her clothes. Look up the dictionary
    ie Curve- a line that deviates from straightness in a smooth continuous fashion.
    It is a apt description. Lets get real !

  865. Anna

    March 29, 2011 at 3:46 am

    I think the question is so what if she is curvy? I love her look and I don't care about the shape or size of her body. I don't like the word normal either because we are all different and nobody can determine what the word normal really means, especially when we are talking about the shape of our bodies. I know that the fashion world is is totally obsessed with the girls being skinny, thin and slim so it's not "normal" to see people having different body types in fashion circles. But isn't this blog about admiring the different style and fashion sense people have, regardless of their size?

  866. shida

    March 29, 2011 at 3:51 am

    I just looked at her blog ……. curvy is the last word I would describe her with, for sure.

  867. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 3:56 am

    I gotta say I do agree in that I don't really think there is a normal size or shape.

    But I think the point is, its not which word you use Scott, its the attitude that if you're not a US 0 you're too big to be beautiful.

    By saying that an average size 10 (as this woman looks) is 'sturdy' or 'curvy' implies that she is larger than average or desirable. And she's not.

    P.s. I do love this blog, and more than any outcome we come to I think its brilliant the conversation is here.

  868. Alexandra

    March 29, 2011 at 3:57 am

    Hi Scott,

    Thanks for opening this channel of conversation and welcoming our opinions.

    I think more than anything, people (myself included) have become extremely sensitive to any body descriptions as we live in such an image-conscious world. I know that it's taken me a good long time to feel confident and happy in my runner and soccer player frame.

    When I hear a girl with a beautiful, slim, and yet albeit fit/muscular body being referred to as "bigger", "curvy", or "sturdy", I and others like me can't help but feel a bit pained by it. People often use the word curvy as a consolation…"you're not skinny, but you have a curvy body".

    It almost would have been best to have pointed out her beautiful, well-defined legs. You could have still pointed out how proportionally, her sturdy shoes perfectly offset her musucular and toned legs, without having to use any words that for most girls are not necessarily positive things to be called.

    I do perfectly understand the point that you were trying to get across, and I understand that it is unfortunate that wordplay is such a sensitive and tricky thing, but I do have to agree with a lot of the readers in pointing out that the words used are somewhat negative. Obviously, I trust that you had no intention of using these words in a negative sense. I just think at the end of the day, this girl has a beautiful body, and for whatever reason, your description of her seemed to focus on her "bigger" aspects instead of focussing on the beauty of her shape.

    Thank you again and I love these shots! She is a true beauty and I love her style.

    Alexandra xo

    http://tovogueorbust.com/

  869. Leah

    March 29, 2011 at 4:03 am

    Good for you for trying, I guess? She is a beautiful woman, and I will concede "sturdier" than your standard runway model, but she is certainly much thinner than the average, especially in North America. I guess maybe existing within the world of fashion, you kind of lose sight of that.

    If it's hard for you to represent true body diversity, why not take baby steps; since you seem to have the spectrum of thinness covered try and aim to one day photograph a woman who is wildly curvy, then a woman who is chubby, then a woman who is actually fat, then a woman who is really fat.

    Try and train your eyes to notice different sorts of style. The kind of style that exists when you generally can't find attractive clothes that fit you, and you have to get really creative. It's out there. I imagine especially in New York.

  870. Vera Amos

    March 29, 2011 at 4:05 am

    My daughter is curvy and loves using that term about her figure, she is healthy and exercises regularly so curvy is a positive word in our household, thank you for using it.

  871. Nicole

    March 29, 2011 at 4:09 am

    I think that she is lovely just like most if not all of the other women you post on your blog. I think that when we draw attention to too skinny, too big, curvy we give the word more meaning and power and lose sight of the fact that this at the end of all the word play is just a beautiful woman.

  872. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 4:12 am

    It's the word Sturdy – Not curvy that i don't like

  873. Linda

    March 29, 2011 at 4:15 am

    What does the girl think about this commotion??? They´re even talking about it on the radio in sweden just now… It's an insane discussion for a normal girl to be the subject of.
    /Linda

  874. REDDERS

    March 29, 2011 at 4:16 am

    Do not be afraid of the curve. It is a beautiful continuous moving line and aptly describes her silhouette. Voluptuous is a dandy word because it has such a positive definition: given to sensual pleasure; pleasurable to the senses. But this girl is surely a beauty. That jaw line is killer.

  875. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 4:17 am

    the right words are self-confident & beautiful.

  876. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 4:20 am

    Love your blog, but it's an odd choice of wording to call this girl "bigger"; if you search the internet, you'll find many photos of her, in all of which she appears to be utterly BEAUTIFUL, and very lean. (Also, it looks as if her name is spelled with a "C," not a "K". ? )

    Maybe stay away from size references (or apply them equally when talking about the usual, anorexic-looking women) — and merely point out out that you like the sturdy shoes? …Although actually, in my opinion, the blue-shoes/short-jeans combo isn't optimizing her appearance — she might look even *better* in a more delicate shoe…

  877. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 4:23 am

    The only thing you need to do: Do not metion bodysize och shape! It's the clothes that we are interrested in.

  878. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 4:25 am

    You sign off that you would not like the blog to be caught up in 'wordplay', and yet the sheer evasiveness of not mentioning the word 'sturdy' in your UPDATE points to your own slightly devious use of words. Surely the original offending article was the word 'sturdy' (not 'curvy'), but you make no further reference to that word in your UPDATE. Is this to be read as an admission of poor word choice in the first instance?

    Keep up the otherwise good work.

  879. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 4:27 am

    Sart, I have re-read your post which caused this flurry of handwringing and ruffled feathers about close to 10 times now.

    I am still not offended.

    I do not always agree with your choice of subjects and even with your taste but I have to say this -feel free to speak your mind on your blog. It belongs to you. Your commenting on your pictures makes the experience of reading your blog a joy.

    For those who have reacted with venom/shock/anger, perhaps they had yet to confront their own demons; perhaps they were self-projecting their own insecurities?

    There was a time when I had sturdier legs and I chose platform shoes to match those to create a smoother silhouette. As a (then) "bigger" Asian broad living in Asia, I can identify with someone like Angelika.

    For those who insist on this witch-hunt over nothing, perhaps Sart could have reworded one of the offending sentence as follows:

    The subtle thing she achieves so successfully in these two looks is to complement the STRONG but beautiful shape of her legs with an equally STURDY shoe.

    Now her legs are strong and the shoes are sturdy. Happy? Good grief.

  880. Lauren

    March 29, 2011 at 4:27 am

    I appreciate your use of the word curvy. You can be curvy at a size 2 or a size 12. I find "normal" to be rather offensive.
    As a curvier girl closer to the size 12 range, it can be difficult for my wardrobe to feel Sartorialist worthy. That said, I'm very much looking forward to you featuring curvier women this week!

  881. Tiffany

    March 29, 2011 at 4:27 am

    …Since when is "curvy" an offensive term? I'd always thought curvy women were the cream of the crop to men. I certainly wouldn't mind being called "curvy." There's no satisfying everyone, I guess.

  882. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 4:31 am

    The first thing I noticed was that she has almost the same size legs as I do, and I was like "wow she has my size and she is on the blog!" because the blog is about fashion and style and not a weighting scale. I guess Scott if you had avoided mentioning the "politically incorrect" words such as curve/big/bigger (which I totally think they should be used as much as skinny/thin/small ) and just comment on the shoe, people wouldn't have picked up on it, but but but saying that I see your point and the comparison you are making.

    It is a sensitive issue indeed but how about making it less sensitive and start talking about it?

    Loves

  883. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 4:36 am

    Political correctness gone mad? My goodness no. Please try to be more accurate when labeling the women in your blog or alternatively don't label them at all… like you do for the men.

  884. liza

    March 29, 2011 at 4:36 am

    She's gorgeous, and these are both very flattering looks on her. I certainly didn't take any offense to your comments. Relative to most of the other fashion bloggers, she is a different shape. Note, guys, that Scott called her legs "sturdy, BUT BEAUTIFUL." Obviously no offence was meant, and if you ask me, everything that was said, is fairly accurate. It's lovely to see some variety in the body shapes, and on another note, I love her camel coloured jacket in the second photo!

  885. Natalie

    March 29, 2011 at 4:39 am

    It's not the words you used but the fact you felt the need (or felt you had the right) to comment on her body at all.

  886. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 4:44 am

    Even reading your disclaimer, I am still confused on why you would label this girl curvy. She's not ultraskinny, but she's definitely not curvy. You say that just because we can't see the curves doesn't mean they're there. If you're going to make a statement, it is best to have your illustration, or in your case, your photo match with the description and vice versa. She's pretty much straight up and down like all the other people you feature. Her legs are shapely, but not curvy. To be curvy, she'd have to have more defined quads and hamstrings and calves.

  887. Ulrike

    March 29, 2011 at 4:48 am

    I like the pictures because the girl is beautiful and I love her shoes.

    Also, it is cool to see pictures that show a well dressed girl who looks like she is close to my size. It gives me hope for my wardrobe choices :)

    In Norwegian we have a saying that could be translated as to having "meat on your bones". I don't think this is a negative expression, it's matter of factly. There is a difference between: 1)having the strength and fullness that enables you to go on long hikes and not be the negative exhausted one in the back, and 2)being straight out fat.

  888. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 4:49 am

    Look at her PROPORTIONS! They are PERFECT!! She has a good sense of proportion! Well done!

  889. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 4:52 am

    Curvy? Normal? It doesn't matter. You don't often comment on how great her 'slim legs' display the greatness of her shoe. Why is it necessary to comment? She looks great, her shoes, even better.

  890. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 4:53 am

    I'm fine with curvy. Shapely would do too. I Like the way you describe her as 'sturdy'. Conveys the notion that her legs look fit to perform their function, which is carrying her around. And they do look fit (like the rest of her), with enough muscles to give a pleasant shape and look of strengh. This is in stark contrast to the overly skinny, usually knobbly kneed models who look scary and fragile to me, emaciated and often sad. And yes, her shoes are gorgeous!

  891. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 4:54 am

    Why mention her shape at all? Just a fantastic picture of a beautiful young woman.

  892. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 4:55 am

    I totally agree with you when you don’t want to use the word “normal”. What is normal?
    I’m 176 cm/5.8” and an European size 42. I’m healty, muscular and got legs like the girl in your picture. I would love if someone called me curvy. But I don’t like the word “big”. Tall, yes. Big, no.
    But the easiest should be no descriptive names at all.
    You took their picture because you found them all beautiful. Thats the most important.

  893. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 4:59 am

    The word 'curvy' is usually synonymous with 'plus-size' these days. It's a dangerous word to use because it has lost it's meaning I think…

    But I agree with those who question why you mention her size at all. I see what you were trying to say, but the point was made by you posting the photographs in the first place – you appreciate her 'look'.

    The word sturdy, in relation to this picture, is offensive though. Footballers have sturdy legs, not slim, shapely women.

  894. jonna

    March 29, 2011 at 5:02 am

    i LOVE the use of the words curvy and sturdy. i'm proud of my curves! everyone should keep calm and carry on. there's nothing wrong with either of those adjectives.

  895. Daniela

    March 29, 2011 at 5:07 am

    curvy is not a bad word! I think that curvy fits her perfectly!
    Daniela

  896. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 5:13 am

    When I first saw these photos (before reading your commentary below), I also thought she had slightly curiver legs in comparison to her upper body too. It made me think about the way she pairs the shoes and jeans with her body shape.

    I find some of the comments are quite harsh towards slimmer people. I think Scott is reasonable here. You can make your point out but don't be discriminating towards people who are naturally slimmer too.

    It seems like a defensive response rather than a reasoned opinion.

  897. fashionxxi

    March 29, 2011 at 5:15 am

    I like the last photo!

  898. Juana Maria

    March 29, 2011 at 5:19 am

    Words ah Words…The meaning of words and how they are used are as important to what is said and written, as light and a good eye are to a photograph. I think that wordplay will only add too your blog, not take away from it.

    Words are an artform that we take for granted on a day to day basis because we use them frequently and often without thinking. We need to take our time and really think about what we are saying and choose our words wisely. Your portraits of people are beautiful and above all flattering, but remember that your words must be as well.

    The word curvy in and of itself refers to something beautiful, the curves of the female body (according to Merriam Webster online dicitionary), but unfortunately the connotation it has in our current society is a bit negative. This is the tricky part with words, they are constantly evolving and mean different things to different people. Perhaps a good writing method for your blog would be to write words that would make the person in the photograph feel beautiful if they were to read the post. The idea is to use words that complement the beauty of your photo and that represent what drew you to the subject.

    Perhaps you could have written something like this and not have ruffled so many feathers, because in this instance the negativity of the words overwhelmed the beauty of the photograph.

    "I saw this young lady in Milan several times this past season. She is one of the crop of new bloggers. I love the subtle gracefulness that she achieves so well by wearing a sturdy, structural shoe with the feminine curves of her legs. A daintier shoe would not have created the beautiful harmony that these shoes did to her toned and shapely bottom half.”

  899. Al

    March 29, 2011 at 5:20 am

    I don't think you've been caught up in the wordplay and I really loved your post and the two pictures of her.

    I really liked how you pointed out the balance of legs and shoes and how she was able to dress glamorously without being exactly a size 2.

    I myself can be considered curvy, if you consider the shape and size of my body, and I was totally not offended by your post.

    I think that other people might have felt offended because "officially" (in shops etc.) curvy is considered sizes from 48-50(italian) on, which is actually much more bigger than Angelika is.

    It must have given the feeling that you were addressing as "fat" a girl that was "normal" (normal weight let's say, if we want to be scientifically precise, a girl with a BMI included between 20 and 25 :D).

    But I really think that this fuss is crap, it's all the same story about politically correct stuff (like all the fuss on the new ad of Pepsi, that should "favor anorexia"… come on, it's a can of soda!)… I really appreciate your willing to discuss and your interaction with us though.

    Al

    -The Red Dot-

  900. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 5:21 am

    the first thing i personally noticed in the first picture was her legs (i mean the color did strike me first). and then her beauty and chic elegance. she looks powerful wearing high heeled shoes as she is obviously already tall. but she also chose to wear very tight fitting jeans and she must know she has strong calfs and thighs and a shape to her bum. that's just facts. when you see most girls who are "attractive" and into "fashion" they are skinny as hell and that is common and you all know that, if you don't you are kidding yourself. i'm not saying i advocate the idea of beauty through being super skinny. i believe in being and looking healthy, however you choose to do that. But this is his own blog, so he can post and write whatever the hell he wants. i truly don't believe he was being an arrogant male prick as most of the comments seem to suggest, (that was me translating what a lot of comments were saying in the same vain of how you translated what he said to suit your ears). this woman is tall could also be known as big. she is fit and has muscles (maybe she played competitive sports all her life and still does? which doesn't make her average). If you looked at a super skinny leg the most predominant feature would not be any shapes but how thin and straight, right? if you looked at a leg with muscles and more distinct variations in shape as you scaled up and down, would you not say it has curves? he never once called this girl fat. which she clearly isn't and i don't think he thinks she is either. in fact he is actually praising her beauty. i don't know if you all realize, but he sort of photographs peoples fashion sense in major cities worldwide on a daily basis.. if this lady wears this and agreed to the photo, i'm pretty sure she doesn't care what anybody says even if you feel you are some how standing up for her, when really you are just self conscious about your self in some way and feel you have to fight the power of the skinny standard. by all means fight it, but don't be so antagonistic about an intentionally pleasant "fashion" "blog" "photo" "comment". if you don't like the standards of fashion, go change the world. be yourself and live on. peace.

  901. cococollage

    March 29, 2011 at 5:27 am

    I love the "just because you don't see them, doesn't mean they're not there" line. Its obvious to anyone paying attention this girl is curvy AND tall.
    People like to talk, comment, whine without just cause sometimes. No need to censor yourself at all Scott!

  902. Anonymous

    March 29, 2011 at 5:27 am

    I am 57 and have always been quite thin until I hit my 50's. Life evolves as did my body and it was a bit of an adjustment. I appreciate the photos that you post of men & women of all generations. In my view, my &q