Thursday, July 19, 2007

A Man of Undeterminable Origin, Florence


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  1. Anonymous

    July 19, 2007 at 6:05 pm

    I love this entire outfit, from the slightly loose tie to the bare ankles to the goatee to the black little notebook…The whole picture…except the bag. The bag makes it seem too done for me. It spoils the air of sprezzatura around this young gentleman. If he were to, say, misplace the bag and be photographed again, it would be perfection.
    And I mean that in the strongest sense of the word…

  2. Anonymous

    July 19, 2007 at 6:06 pm

    “a man of undeterminable origin”…hahaha…Sart, you’re so funny! Screw those people who criticized you on the whole race issue…just say it..”ASIAN”. Hahaha…whatever, this guy looks good anyway.

    • Simone Fraser

      November 8, 2013 at 6:26 am

      Our Sartorialist has been criticised on ‘the race thing’? Eh? I haven’t encountered any other clothing blog that featured the age range, shape range, style range, economic bracket range and race range that this one does! Very surprised…

  3. donutcake

    July 19, 2007 at 6:13 pm

    He is from the Shire. I have the same pair of shoes…and they are super comfy.

  4. Axxonn.

    July 19, 2007 at 6:27 pm

    Thom Browne… ish.

  5. fawn

    July 19, 2007 at 6:40 pm

    what a fine fellow!

  6. Butch

    July 19, 2007 at 7:06 pm

    Jeans are, I think, the only pants that one can roll up successfully–and even then, one must be careful…

    …and the jacket is perhaps a bit too “miniatured”….

  7. Christina

    July 19, 2007 at 7:32 pm

    love at first sight.

    i want to put him in my pocket.


  8. simply olive

    July 19, 2007 at 7:42 pm

    i like the clever title you give to this fellow…after the last “asian” posting and criticizing.

  9. Anonymous

    July 19, 2007 at 9:53 pm

    I think he’s a buyer from that upscale boutique/department store in Tokyo (Don’t know his name..)
    Rolling up chinos appeared in Japanese fashion magazines more than 15 years ago — if I remember correctly, it was a copy of French movie or something (you know, with border bateau neck tee?)

    By the way I’m an Asian but wasn’t offended with past few “Asian” remarks. It is hard to tell who’s who anyways — as it is hard for you to tell an Irish from Brits. So don’t even be bothered, people…

  10. Reema

    July 19, 2007 at 10:01 pm

    I adore his look.I don’t know how,but I didn’t see the bag there
    until I read the first comment.I think the reason behind not noticing such a big bag is that it blends so well with the rest of the outfit.I think if he hadn’t the bag or another item in his hand to balance out the whole thing,I’d probably just glance the picture and not think a thing of how greatly fashionable this guy is.

  11. Anonymous

    July 19, 2007 at 11:04 pm

    think he would be of japanese origin. they are alaways the the funky dressers. as a chinese saying this.

  12. pat_bright

    July 19, 2007 at 11:09 pm

    I love everything this man is wearing, and how he assembled the outfit.
    My only qualm is with the buttons on his blazer. If only they were a bit larger and flat.

    (I have a thing for buttons).

    The bag looks great as well.

  13. Vishaan

    July 19, 2007 at 11:47 pm


  14. Anonymous

    July 19, 2007 at 11:55 pm

    is that the ysl bag? love it

  15. Anonymous

    July 20, 2007 at 1:51 am

    hahaha…i love you, sart!

    and your mystery man is quite a catch as well! the shorter pant for guys has really grown on me. he’s managed it quite well.

    and im loving his shoes and bag too…

  16. Candid Cool

    July 20, 2007 at 1:53 am

    He looks spot on. And he carries the rolled pant hem very well. And I like “of undeterminable origin” title. And that jacket is gorgeous, esp. the jewel like buttons (or atleast that’s how they photograph)

  17. Anonymous

    July 20, 2007 at 4:04 am

    Im a prep Ive been rolling chinos since like 1979.

    not to the desperate degree there but y know what i mean…

    i either wear chinos rolled [ralph lauren philip pant]

    or no cuff/flat bottom hem [brooks bros chinos] “high waters”

  18. Lola is Beauty

    July 20, 2007 at 5:54 am

    heh heh, funny! I read all those comments on your other post – blimey…people do get their knickers in a twist over nothing don’t they?

  19. daniqueconijn

    July 20, 2007 at 6:51 am

    asians are so much more with the fashion,,
    they try new things and really care about how they look..
    european kids are so regular and dull in their fashion,,
    i love and admire this in the guys who dare to try new things

  20. sandman_gr

    July 20, 2007 at 7:28 am

    The look is great-and he’s a beautiful guy too. The short length of the pants though makes him look pixie-ish – I would avoid that.
    Responding to a post before, European guys are boring when they try to imitate American sport dressing – and failing miserably cause they do not have the lifestyle to match. When they are themselves, they look great.

  21. Anonymous

    July 20, 2007 at 8:06 am

    ysl muse…YUMMY!

  22. Rina

    July 20, 2007 at 8:22 am

    Now that’s what I’d call a cute wee man! He’s lovely.

  23. Alice Olive

    July 20, 2007 at 8:31 am

    He is so compact! The proportions of his outfit really suit him.

  24. Anonymous

    July 20, 2007 at 11:09 am

    perhaps I am a little late/behind on the whole “Asian” debate, and yes, ok, every stlyish Asian is not necessarily Japanese. But I think the bigger point, which seems to have gone lost in the quest for correctness, is that the Japanese style hounds in particular are often astute observers and adopters of all aspects of “American” style and culture, that they frequently have an almost obsessive eye for detail as well as a great love of “our” culture, or at least their idea of it, and that this reflects both a current fashion and a style trend. The Tokyo sartorialists in particular do tend to reveal aspects of our “americaness” back to us that we might even overlook or take for granted ourselves. Ok, it’d be rascist, or just dumb, to say that all stylish Asians are from Tokyo, all gay men know how to decorate, and all African Americans are great dancers or whatever the hell. But that hardly seems the point here. Anyway, style is style wherever it shows up. Right?!?

  25. Ed

    July 20, 2007 at 11:18 am

    I totally love his style!

  26. The Fashion Informer

    July 20, 2007 at 12:17 pm

    I think he’s from Planet Fabulous, no? I love everything about this look – it’s a great example of personal style.

  27. Anonymous

    July 20, 2007 at 12:20 pm

    side comment about being asian in Europe

    when I’m dressed up, people ask if I’m japanese – when I’m dressed down, they think i’m chinese. I’m getting the impression that most of the tourists there are wealthy japanese and they have quite a few migrant chinese workers which plays this stereotype out

  28. iopine

    July 20, 2007 at 12:32 pm

    The proportions are right on.

  29. Thomas

    July 20, 2007 at 12:40 pm

    Love the look. I must have missed the firestorm over using “Asian” as a descriptor. Being “Asian” myself (mom from Scotland, Dad for China) I have absolutely no problem in it being used rather than Chinese, Japanese, etc. And the Sartorialist will often describe a style as being particularly Italian, or European, or American.

  30. Anonymous

    July 20, 2007 at 2:44 pm

    Wow. I wish I could dress with such simple flair. Great style!

  31. anyimage

    July 20, 2007 at 5:11 pm

    The issue was not the use of the term ‘Asian’ to describe someone of Eastern descent. The issue arose when a caption described an Asian man as having captured American style better than Americans. Some noted that since we don’t know if the man lives in Asia or America it wasn’t wise to characterize him as an outsider to American culture. I think when someone expresses concern over potentially offensive remarks it is best not to casually dismiss that concern and extremely problematic to make light of it, as the author does in title to this post.

  32. Anonymous

    July 20, 2007 at 5:45 pm


    also, i was laughing out loud at your title.
    i’m asian american myself, but would never be offended if someone called me just asian.
    i’ve encountered several occasions of real racism before, and what you wrote before wasn’t.

    i think it’s racism if one was called certain generalized things in connection to being that race – not simply calling an asian person asian, black person black, or anybody who they are.
    also context and intent make is all different too.

    thanks for the amazing posts!

  33. Anonymous

    July 20, 2007 at 6:40 pm

    The proportions are right on? For a schoolboy who got stuck wearing his younger brother’s clothes, maybe. This is one of those outfits that, when confronted with this photo years from now, will cause the wearer to say, “What was I thinking?” This is Exhibit A in the case for proper fit. I hope we come to an end soon of this obsession with the too-small and the too-tight. And, by the way, being seen as so precious that someone wants to put you “in their pocket” would not exactly be viewed as a compliment by most men.

  34. Anonymous

    July 20, 2007 at 7:35 pm

    Guys, guys, guys. As anyimage said very eloquently, the issue was NOT about calling an Asian man “Asian.” It was the assumption that the man was not an American (ostensibly because of his ethnicity) that people took issue with.

    It’s tacky to have to say this, but:

    A (half-)Asian American

  35. Anonymous

    July 22, 2007 at 5:42 am

    anonymous 11.04, I am a funky dresser, AND Chinese.

  36. Anonymous

    July 23, 2007 at 10:44 am

    This is what I call the T.B.H.E.
    the Thom Browne Halo effect. Love it!

  37. Cleboul The Frenchy

    August 4, 2007 at 2:59 am

    All is perfect except (for me) the tie ! The longer of the vest is maybe a little short but I could adopt it with Pilati’s Bag !

  38. Keri

    October 28, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    i love everything from head to toe….

    ps i bet he’s Japanese :-P

  39. anordinarywoman

    September 9, 2011 at 8:18 am

    Gorgeous wherever he’s from :)

  40. Fer

    May 9, 2017 at 11:57 pm

    It catches your eye for a moment and then you realize it not that special.

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