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April 16, 2008 at 10:00 am
It really is about the inspiration, I know that is what this site has been for me. A movement from my typical blue jeans and tshirts to really thinking about what I put on each day and what that says about me.
Most of us don’t know you from Adam either, we can’t tell you what your mission should be. It’s all up to you. So don’t be daunted by all of the negative out there.
We love you for it, Sart.
April 16, 2008 at 10:12 am
First of all, I always enjoy seeing your photographs and comments on the various ensembles that you capture all over the world. It provides me with inspiration to try new combinations of colours or styles.
Second, I think it is completely acceptable to design a makeover for a photograph subject. Even the most stylish person can use recommendations and feedback on their clothes. As long as the criticism is considerate and constructive, why not?
I totally agree. This is your “house”. And thank you for everything, keep on…Raquel (Portugal)
April 16, 2008 at 10:18 am
of course at the end of the day, you are free to do whatever you want. and i’m certain that the result of the makeover would be stunning.
but i still personally don’t think it’s a good idea.
April 16, 2008 at 10:19 am
On a recent Saturday morning, my fiancée, formerly a fashion victim, and I sat and perused your blog for two hours checking out aspects of the men’s wear he liked and choosing looks for him come this summer. Seeing real men on the street helped him put fashion into context and inspired him to work harder on his own style. Thank you for that!
Please, ignore the naysayer’s, this blog is beyond that nonsense.
April 16, 2008 at 10:20 am
I moved from New York to a City wherethere is absolutely no sense of style or real fashion. I start each and every day with your work.Your vision and perspectives have kept me inspired and I absolutely love what you do.Just a bump in the road. Thankyou. With much appreciation.
Wow. That got taken a little overboard, huh Sart. Lighten up everybody. The only one with a valid opinion on the subject would be dear Phoenix. I think you are giving her a great opportunity if she wants it.
April 16, 2008 at 10:21 am
i wish i m that gal n get ur advice from styling! cant wait to c the foto!
April 16, 2008 at 10:22 am
Long time reader, first time poster here, would just like to say that I think your makeover plans are a really good continuation of what you’ve been doing, and I’d love to see the results.
I’ve been using your photoes as inspiriation for my own outfits for a while now too! The photoes you put up are far more interesting then most of the dull, uninspirational stuff in the shops and magazines.
April 16, 2008 at 10:26 am
I agree with you!
April 16, 2008 at 10:32 am
I agree that it is your web site, and you can do as you wish. But I thought that the point of taking all these wonderful shots is that you are seeking out great street style and showing it as is. Which I use for inspiration also. The girl in the shot is really beautiful, and her outfit was fine. It was “a certain look” that I see all over the city. The thing is, if the girl WANTS a makeover, that is a different story. If you stopped me on the street, however, I would be extremely flattered at getting validation from you that i had great style, which I think I do, but don’t always feel so secure in. (Bill Cunningham took my pic 2 weeks ago, and made my day). But I guess there is always room for improvement, to be the best you can be.
April 16, 2008 at 10:33 am
I think what people didn’t like was that the “make-over” was fairly critical and seemed at polar odds with the blog’s tone from day one. It is wonderful that people are inspired to make themselves over from seeing posts, but to prescribe a make-over seems pretentious.
April 16, 2008 at 10:34 am
What you meant this site to be, and what it is, do not necessarily have to be the same thing. I think a lot of people interpret this site as a positive “celebration” for individuals’ style. You have historically shot people where you liked what they were wearing and how they wore it. I riled at the makeover idea (and still do) because it deviates from this. I don’t want to know what criticisms you would make for the many people you see that are not worthy sartorialist candidates. There is enough criticism in the blogosphere already.
Other commenters like the idea and so more power to them and you. I don’t. I don’t mean anything personal by it and when you made the makeover post, you asked for feedback. It does seem like you’ve taken this a bit personally, and why wouldn’t you? I mean, we all take things personally and I don’t believe for a moment that Phoenix hasn’t read this with some feeling of lead in her stomach. Commenters can say critical things about the subjects in your posts, but I’d prefer it if you didn’t…
April 16, 2008 at 10:35 am
Just on the vein of make-overs, generally: From the viewpoint of someone totally new to fashion, I think they’re invaluable. Sure, I can look at these pics all day and think “geez, yeah, those yellow specs are an awesome flourish to his look” – but knowing what doesn’t work (objectively) is a prerequisite for setting off what does (objectively and personally).
I don’t know if this blog has the room to shoulder a more “instructional” perspective, but insofar as it can/should, I think the commentary on the bad and/or ugly is really helpful.
April 16, 2008 at 10:36 am
Your blog is definitely inspirational, the pictures are a pleasure to look at (even when I would not wear what the subject is wearing), and I’m not worried about Phoenix – I don’t think she’ll look like a fashion clone after the makeover; I know you can do better than that.
My mom always told me: “If you’ve got nothing good to say then say nothing at all” Not that people shouldn’t share negative feedback, but come on. Your blog is awesome, inspiring, and if you’ve offered a free makeover, that is a great gift. It’s up to her to take it or leave it. I’m jealous of her, you obviously have “the eye”. But since you are going ahead with the makeover, it’s obvious she graciously agreed! Good for her!
April 16, 2008 at 10:40 am
Whether accolades or criticism, the fact that people put in their opinion, is proof that this blog’s presence is felt… and of course the hard part would be there- expectations. Deal with them, Sart, and carry on.
April 16, 2008 at 10:41 am
I’m glad that you haven’t fallen in to the trap of feeling superior to others now that you have refined your style. I think your current project proves that you wish to share your love for design with others. I support your effort and wish you luck.
April 16, 2008 at 10:43 am
April 16, 2008 at 10:44 am
What I love about your work, is the photographs never look contrived. When individuals are painted in a different light and captured through an alternative lens, they can in turn see themselves in a way that they may have never foreseen or thought possible. Makeovers are a way of peeling away one’s different layers (some unknown) in order to find the core and the piece that is going to bring it all together and form a whole. I think you find this combination of spirit and seemingly effortless style in your photographs. In a sense, the girl you were going to make-over is missing something in the photograph. That “something” is what you usually find and display in all of your work.
And, as far as inspiration, you definitely provide that daily. I am checking every morning for the arrival of your shopping list! I am looking forward to your artistic make-overs in the future if you decide to perform them. I know they will be brilliant.
April 16, 2008 at 10:49 am
April 16, 2008 at 10:52 am
I love to see your photos, whether or not I agree with the choice. Many are inspiring to me and it might just be the color of the building or the look of the tree behind the person as well as what they’re wearing or their haircut. I read tons of magazines and love seeing their take on things – especially the overpriced euro ones, unfortunately – but your blog is something different and great and one of the few i look at every day. Thank you.
April 16, 2008 at 10:55 am
Wow, it’s really amazing how worked up people got about a little makeover. Personally, I love the idea & look forward to seeing the results!
April 16, 2008 at 10:58 am
i for one can’t wait to see what you come up with.
it’s your site, ignore the negative people!
April 16, 2008 at 11:03 am
Well done you for not being swayed by peoples’ ideas of what you are about. That would just be ridiculous.Since I read about the impending makeover I have been musing about how you or someone else would make me over and what directions I should go in … it’s got me thinking about my style which is useful and great.Kudos.
April 16, 2008 at 11:15 am
I see no contradiction in the Sartorialist makeover, given that she’s obviously a willing participant and approached you as a fan of the blog. If you approached random people on the street and offered to make them over, that might not go over so well…
April 16, 2008 at 11:21 am
In a small town in Texas in the early 90′s the only place i could find classic tracy hepburn style chinos, with a wider leg, & flater front- was to drive 90 miles to a larger town and go to a mall and buy them from a men’s specialty store.
The girls in my sorority did not approve and took me aside one evening to tell me that i should try “more feminine” looks.
I regret the day I ever put on ankle cut pleated khakis to please those b*#$*@!s.
On the other hand, in another place and time someone could’ve approached me and suggested that i tailor them closer to my frame, wear them with a taller espadrille wedge or generally help refine *my* style instead of changing it.
The sorority did have positive effects on my style- (eyebrow shaping & regular pedicures)life is funny who you encounter and how they can affect you.
just my two cents.
April 16, 2008 at 11:22 am
You are so right, Scott. I am Brazilian and live in Sao Paulo. Regardless of different seasons in both hemispheres (why don´t you come to Southern?), your blog and comments are very useful to me.
So, even when the weather here it´s not that cold how it seems up there and I cannot wear scarves and trench coats, I search inspiration through your photos to find myself.
Evidently, whenever I change my hair cut or my pants’ lengths inspired by the blog, I don´t change my personality, neither my perspective of who I am. As a matter of fact, it brings me more refined and sophisticated sense of style, I guess.
Also, love the poetry in your photos!
For all, I think your job is ‘super duper’. Hang in there … and think about coming to Brazil oneday, ok?
April 16, 2008 at 11:24 am
hi Scott, I’ve been following your blog for really long. you take amazing photographs, and before discovering you i’d never known there were that many stylish people in the world! LOL. these people, and hence your blog that channels them, are truly an inspiration.
i think the reason why some people are picking on that post is because, in describing the situation of picking her out for a makeover, there was little mention of how excited or ‘willing’ the young lady must be (as i’m sure she would be!). hence it may have come across, if misconstrued, as if you’d imposed your opinion on her. which i’m sure is hardly the case.
most unfortunate people are criticising you for that. but anyway i, and many others, continue to support you, and look forward to seeing that young lady again in your photos ;)
April 16, 2008 at 11:29 am
We love you!!
April 16, 2008 at 11:30 am
April 16, 2008 at 11:39 am
rock on, Sartorialist!
April 16, 2008 at 11:41 am
I think some people need to stop taking things SO seriously! If that girl would like to keep her ”personal style” she wouldn’t let anyone change it, it’s not like the sartorialist is trying to force someone to change!I think it’s a great idea. Something new!
April 16, 2008 at 11:59 am
What I really admire and enjoy about The Sartorialist is that you spot colour, texture, silhouette and references much more than you show fashion.
You illustrate that lots of people dress in an impressive, interesting or artistic way and, although a lot of your subjects have made their way in the fashion industry, there’s a reason why they have been successful.
I think you get the balance between amateur and professional right and you exercise discrimination in your selections.
I LOVE checking the site every day and I think it’s great that you have turned an interest into a job.
Thanks and good luck.
April 16, 2008 at 12:02 pm
For AndreaI personally have never thought of this as a “Street Style” blog
for me a street style blog reports on what is out there.
I am sharing what I see that inspires me – it just so happens that a lot of what i see on the street inspires me but I also like magazines or fashion shows or whatever.
April 16, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Dennis agrees wholeheartedly–it IS your blog–do what you will.
I was looking forward to the photos from this makeover.. its your site, you should do whatever inspires you, which is why people tune-in.
April 16, 2008 at 12:06 pm
“Makeover” rang a negative bell in people’s mind. But in reality, what is Phoenix gonna get? A haircut and an outfit or two, (not a brainwash or not even, I assume, an entire new wardrobe).
We all get inspired by other people’s visions all the time. Take me, for instance: Three pictures ago, I wrote an angry post about the return of the flared jeans. (I was so bitter as I threw mine away a couple of years ago). And what did I do yesterday? I caught myself shopping around online for a new pair of those. So embarrassing!
Anyway, you must be out shopping by now, and the girl is probably having the time of her life. Comes winter and she’s gonna want to do it again, you know.
April 16, 2008 at 12:08 pm
I agree with Marie!“If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all”I love you Sart! Thanks for the inspiration! This is your space, which is the beautiful thing about having your very own blog.
April 16, 2008 at 12:15 pm
I just appreciate you being here. There is no other blog like it and I love checking it everyday.
April 16, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Dear Sartorialist, you broke the fourth wall, by suggesting you might make over a subject in real time and you were rewarded with a flood of commentary. Yet, you have and will continue to produce one of the most exciting street documents on the web today. I think that entitles you to an opinion, but feel free to take a pass on the self-doubt.
April 16, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Well, this is just the next step in the road that you are paving for yourself, Mr. Sartorialist. Next step after this I reckon is a TV show on Bravo…or maybe Oxygen.
April 16, 2008 at 12:20 pm
O.k. – Everyone…don’t take life so seriously. The only person who should have an opinion or be outraged or embarrassed is Phoenix and she doesn’t seem to be crying about the ordeal, does she?
Personally – she does look like she could lose the boots and be taught to pull her hair back and a couple of other things. She’s young and part of being young is changing, finding out who you are and going with it. That particular outfit was an experiment…now let another experiment begin and stop nagging on poor Sartorialist! The guy has cahones for even being willing to try…and lets face it…who hasn’t wanted to make over someone either in high school or someone on the street!
April 16, 2008 at 12:27 pm
for 12:19I have had offers but I don’t see TV in my future
April 16, 2008 at 12:28 pm
It’s all about deciding what business you’re in. For example, one could be in the business of discovering found fashion inspiration, photographing same and publishing the photos. Or, alternatively, one could be in the business of discovering folks who need fashion makeovers and rendering same. In my opinion the former (discovering found fashion inspiration) was unique, the latter (doing a makeover) is banal, ho-hum, been-done. But as other posters have pointed out, it’s your privilege to do it. It waters down the clarity of your work to date, in my opinion. Leslie
April 16, 2008 at 12:30 pm
for anon 12:05you understand that I didn’t just talk up and suggest a make-overwe talked for a while before it came up
all in very natural manner of discussion
April 16, 2008 at 12:32 pm
I think the makeover idea is good fun. Perhaps the word ‘makeover’ has negative connotations but it doesn’t need to.
We often criticise elements of the posted outfits in the comments. Why is it so dreadful when the blog’s author does so?
Furthermore, it got me thinking: it’s easy to appreciate a great outfit, but to try and generate one in your own mind is harder. So I’m having fun thinking about what I’D try out on Phoenix. It’s taking things from the passive to the active, and that’s the best way to learn…
I am really excited about it all and I bet the girl herself is, too. Best of luck with it all!
April 16, 2008 at 12:42 pm
I have a little problem with the people who are so violently against a make-over, when so many of them tune into this blog to leave their often highly judgemental (not constructive) comments on what people wear. I took your little project in the spirit that this gal wanted ideas, suggestions, other visions to inspire HER, but it was HER choice in the end.
April 16, 2008 at 12:43 pm
If “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” and all of you often visit this website to see what The Satorialist finds lovely, why would you not want to have an intimate view into his attempt to make Phoenix more exquisite? If nothing else, you will appreciate her “before” picture and we can all move on with our lives. But, it does not hurt to try. Think of all the style icons that were told to cut their hair and change their image. Do you think they all woke up one morning and decided to make these life-altering physical changes themselves? Hardly! They followed someone’s advice, took a chance, and had legendary results.
April 16, 2008 at 12:47 pm
I came here looking for Abercrombie and Fitch. I ended up buying numerous jackets, ties and the odd silk pocket square too. I’m far more glad I found this place than if I’d found A&F.
April 16, 2008 at 12:49 pm
I find it funny that people keep bringing up the ole, ‘If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.’ That is why, when Scott asked, I wrote that I did NOT like the idea of his posting criticisms of people who ‘don’t make the cut.’
No one is saying that it is not Scott’t blog, and that he can’t do what he wants with it, but Leslie’s right – it waters down the creativity that otherwise shines on this site, and makes the sartorialist a bit more corporate. For what it’s worth, I wouldn’t offer these comments had they not been solicited.
April 16, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Of course this is your place and space and therefore reflective of what you are seeing and what you are inspired by. I completely enjoy it.
April 16, 2008 at 1:38 pm
I’m so sick of this whole makeover discussion. Talk about beating a horse. Stick her in a JCrew outfit, and let’s move on, please!
April 16, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Think about the huge influence you are having on the fashion world by focusing on the individual styles that inspire you! The emphasis is on the individual! I am totally inspired by your inspirations, whether it’s the barbers in Dehli or the crowd on the way to a fashion show. You’re a great guru Master Sartorialist.
April 16, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Came across another picture of Phoenix.It may put some things into perspective for some readers. p. 73 UniQlo paper #4 top right corner.
This was a shoot where the models sent in their own pic to be photographed/casted.Styling, hair, and makeup was kept to a min. fyi.
April 16, 2008 at 1:46 pm
sart, your blog makes us (at least me) see what real people are wearing, reflecting their own personal styles, in real life, evryday…not exactly models on a runway. maybe thats why im so addicted to it, because it inspires me to dress uniquely and better everyday. change is a part of fashion and life, i don’t think people should oppose the idea that much. Work on..xo, stephanie (brazil)
April 16, 2008 at 1:54 pm
And indeed you do take the nicest pictures, thank you my dear.
bravo! and thanks for sharing it with us. . .
April 16, 2008 at 2:01 pm
This is 100% your venue and any endeavor you take on is for you to decide, as well as your responsibility. Please do so soon, though, as I’d like to be able to decide weather or not I’ll be continuing to visit your site.
April 16, 2008 at 2:13 pm
I can honestly say that because of you and your Blog, I have added three things to my aresenal:Pocket Squares andMore French shirts andScarves. Most of your pictures of men have some elements of the above and I really like the accent it gives. I consider mysel a well dresser but your page is my homescreen now so that I can get ideas from other people.As was already said, “Keep on Keeping on!” Ole’!
April 16, 2008 at 2:17 pm
You received over 500 comments on the makeover, so it was a huge success already from the blog point of view. I think the whole idea of magazine makeovers is a sore subject, particularly iffy when its a guy making over a young woman. What about doing a companion makeover of a guy? Would you feel comfortable walking up to a complete stranger who was male and asking him to let you cut his hair and buy him clothes? I’m NOT accusing you of gross sexism(which I don’t think you have), but trying to point out some of the inherent issues. That said, I love the free vein of commentary about dress and style that this blog has inspired, and clearly the makeover inspired more opinion than most.
April 16, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Sart, this subject might be pretty heavy; like a 5 credit course. Let me ramble. The Sartorialist provides inspiration leading to personal makeovers, and that’s great. Many people, especially younger ones, need help. Go visit a high school at the end of classes. Watch the quartets of teens in identical jeans at the mall. Magazine adds just don’t do it for most people for a whole variety of reasons; mostly it is unattainable. Air-brushing and lighting etc; it’s all phony and the kids realize that. What you do by your shots is give people courage to work on their own daily continual makeover because they are insprired by real people. Human beings who are assured of themselves and look happy doing so. Keep it up.
April 16, 2008 at 2:28 pm
san diego needs a huge make over. joking. but if you ever do come to this side, please help us. i certainly appreciate your work and enabling me to see stylistic visions from various places!
April 16, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Is it sort of ironic that so many comments use the old adage “If you can’t say something nice…” – well, isn’t that precisely the problem with the make-over idea? I didn’t think it was a nice post at all. And like some other earlier commenters, I thought the subject looked better and more “put together” than many of the waifs you post on here. I’m amazed that she was called out as lacking in fashion sense, when the truth is, she’s just understated.
And my LORD, would I ever kill to have legs like hers.
April 16, 2008 at 2:38 pm
I greatly appreciate your work. I visit your site daily as I find oodles more inspiration and enjoyment from the objects d’art of your camera lens than I do from fashion mags. Real people wearing real clothes. Muchas gracias.
April 16, 2008 at 2:49 pm
As if people mean to create a blog just to satisfy others’desires… Ok, let’s say this make-over is not in the Sartorialist blog’s original spirit. So he has to create maybe another one where he would do that and everybody will be happy because it won’t alter the essence of the Sartorialist blog. Does this sound stupid?Scott, just do what you feel like doing. I would love to see the transformation and in fact, I wish you could do that more often if you have fun with this girl ;)
April 16, 2008 at 2:54 pm
will we see Phoenix again soon ?
April 16, 2008 at 2:59 pm
This grateful reader applauds you and would like to thank you for rescuing her on a daily basis from the fashion wasteland that is L.A. and whisking her away to places where people wear other things besides jeans.
April 16, 2008 at 3:05 pm
you are doing good things! whatever keeps you motivated works. I find this to be an inspiring blog for more than just clothing. Its inspiring to see people’s creativity shine through what they wear. Helping someone find that is just as good as finding someone who has it.
April 16, 2008 at 3:39 pm
I think the key is that the blog highlights inspirational attire, sure the makeover girl looks good as is, but how many ladies would actually admire or feel inspired by her outfit?
April 16, 2008 at 3:40 pm
People have good taste or blah taste but so what. I wish I could go up to a lot of people that I think look bad and give them a makeover.
Scott – I love looking at your blog for your thoughts and ideas about fashion.
April 16, 2008 at 3:55 pm
As one of the more critical readers (mostly of peoples’ inabilities to smile for a photo) I say do whatever you want! It’s nice to see that sometimes you will photograph someone that inspires you in a way other than thinking how perfect they had pulled it all together. She WON’T be your last makeover whether you’re aware of it or not.
April 16, 2008 at 3:57 pm
the makeover idea is brilliant. i mean, personal style is great but you should still look GOOD. that’s where the real challenge is.
April 16, 2008 at 4:31 pm
As I see it, the very nature of blog is to express oneself. Even if a blog has a wide audience, in the very core it is always about the author writing what he feels like he wants to write. I would say that in a way people do not come to read a blog because they are interested in the content but because they are interested in the person writing it. Maybe they don’t realize it, but in principle that is what it’s all about. It is perfectly acceptable to be critical about the content. But to post comments that in one way or another constitute an ad hominem criticism is just, missunderstanding the whole concept or simply a mindless slur.
Ooh, I hope I didn’t offend you by saying this is a street style blog. I was referring to it as street style, because most of the photos are from people that you spot on the street, not about fashion and style that starts from the streets and works its way up into the design houses. I know that is a huge difference. But your blog is changing the way things work. You can be in Cornfield, Iowa, sitting in your farmhouse and never go to a city and now be inspired to dress like you have lived all your life in Manhattan. And that is because of your blog. From your answer to me, you sounded offended by the notion of street style.
April 16, 2008 at 4:32 pm
It’s not just what you do, it’s how you do it, so here’s an idea for *how* Sart & Phoenix could work on this “makeover” project in the spirit of the larger project (The Sartorialist). Since Phoenix said she’s a fan, she could go through the archives and pick the photos that inspire her the most. Sart & Phoenix could work/play with those together – collaborate on a mood board and a “style story” for the makeover. It would be great if those could be posted! That prep done, Sart & Phoenix could go find just the right hair stylist, shops, dressmaker etc for her, creating a makeover SartoriaList. Post that too! Use a process that is clearly all about inspiration, collaboration, refinement, and it’ll be clear to the naysayers this is far from some Stacy & Clinton intervention.
April 16, 2008 at 4:37 pm
I have your site linked at my blog under “inspiration” and I appreciate the space you’ve generously provided for feedback, commentary, and some dialogue. Your generous spirit has always come across strongly to me. I enjoy the comments of many of your regulars as well. Thanks again!
April 16, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Calm down people. It’s just clothes. I’m interested to see the outcome, but purely from an atheistic point of view. The idea of a visual transformation of a person intrigues me because, frankly, I sometimes want to see how people got to a style rather than the outcome of it.
No reason to get hung up with the “spirit” of the blog or other such ethereal and bullshit nonsense.
April 16, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Reading your blog daily and studying the photos has furthered my eye for fashion and inspired combinations I wouldn’t have put together in the past. I receive compliments – all in all my dress is more tailored and conservative but there is a lot of exciting things you can do if you focus on details, patterns, and color. This blog has helped me do that better.
April 16, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Clearly you weren’t expecting such mixed feedback and it’s given you food for thought. I don’t think the people who were ‘against’ the idea meant it personally, only one or two said they’d not return to the blog, I think most (including me) were just expressing their honest reaction. Anyway I think it’s all good and will make the blog even better. It’s good to try new things and take risks, that’s what the best people do. Keep doing what you’re doing (and keep letting us comment on it)!
April 16, 2008 at 6:07 pm
I have been thinking a lot about the whole subject.
What made me feel negative was the fact that you exposed her photo to show her up in un an “unperfect” state. That´s how I felt about it.
It said to me: “look at this girl, her boots, hose, hair… aren´t working at all. Now, lets all come together and save the rest, so she can make it onto my blog.”
I understand that this is your blog and its my free decision to visit and get inspiration.
I feel that developing style and experimenting with outfits is something very intimate, private. A lot of decisions what to wear come from our subconscious mind.
By the way, I reckon that make overs made by others don´t work anyway. Everyone who wants it has to change the inner patterns by himself.
This is a debate on principles. But apart from that your photos brighten up my day, daily!
April 16, 2008 at 6:09 pm
I would like to say that one of the things that initially drew me to the blog was the pictures of stylish men not wearing suits. Fortunately (or unfortunately) I have a professional job at which I would not be taken seriously if I wore a suit to work, the office is a bit more Rock ‘n Roll that all that. However, I’d like to think that doesn’t mean I can’t be well dressed.
I found those earlier images to be inspiration, however it seems they have mostly disappeared from the site which I think is unfortunate. Obviously, shoot what your eye leads you to, but I would love to see some more males in “street” clothes.
April 16, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Hey mister. Congrats.
I feel jaded by the usual fash pack writing and read your blog daily as I reckon you have a genuine interest in people and what makes ‘em look good – not ‘it’ bags and shoes but what brings out the best in people and makes them shine. This encompasses ‘high’ fashion as well as the affordable… I look daily as I think you have absolute respect for all of your subjects. Clearly you have not imposed your stylings upon this lady – she is a fan a admires your style ‘eye’ and is a willing participant. Can’t wait to hear what she thinks about her new look.
Naysayers – save your grumblings for writers / designers who need a word in their ear. Your efforts are wasted here.
ps – if you’re ever in London there are plenty here in Shoreditch who could very much do with your gimlet sartorial eye -amongst a few jewels I fear we dissapeared up our own arses in about 2000 or thereabouts…
April 16, 2008 at 6:15 pm
I think the blog is great but i think there is a huge differnence between celebrating style and criticizing it.
April 16, 2008 at 6:17 pm
All of these people who are getting up in arms and “protecting” Scott need to lighten up themselves.
Just remember HE ASKED FOR OPINIONS!!!
He is also a big boy who can stand up for himself, hopefully, and should be able to accept criticism.
I have been reading and posting for almost 2 years and the quality of fashion opinions has gone WAY down.
It is now a bunch of folks who have very safe and boring opinions that do not offer them generously or respectfully. Or do they truly know about fashion and its history or context.
I remember a great discussion way, way back about whether a certain gentleman’s suit was indeed hand sewn and well made or sloppily sewn and poorly cared for. Many well informed and respectful folks weighed in.
Not since then has their been a good “fashion” discussion.
April 16, 2008 at 6:21 pm
word! to you
April 16, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Personal style takes time to cultivate. It’s always great when someone shakes you out of a rut by teaching you what works on your form. I think the makeover will do just that. She’s young, but not too young to learn what works on her and why.
April 16, 2008 at 6:55 pm
ive always loved what you do. i have never had one negative thing to say. however after reading off the list of things that were ‘not working’ in her favour, i was sort of disappointed.
i suppose we all have this fantastical idea of “The Sartorialist” who goes around taking pictures of everyday people and breeding positivity by defending every picture he puts up. and that post shot that idea down swiftly.
you are a critical human like anyone else and so who is anyone to advise you what to do?
but i think its very different to make-over yourself after being inspired, than to be made over by someone who could be considered a modern arbiter of good taste.
charity work vs. over-stepping. i think that is what’s in question right now. i do hope whatever you do is in positivity and not vain.
April 16, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Wow how people come out of the woodworks, 571 comments! Do as you wish Sart, your an inspiration to many and those non-contructive commentors should start there own Blogs and say & do as they wish there. Your blog has inspired me to become an individual so thankyou x
April 16, 2008 at 7:19 pm
i agree with what you say. And I’m very curious to see what you will do with the girl.
However, I think the reason that I’m a little apprehensive about this new development is because the Sartorialist has been a positive blog. Perhaps the girl wants advice, but that is not what the blog has been founded on. It has been about taking everyday images and everyday people and pointing out the beauty of little details. A makeover, on the other hand, changes the tone – critiquing rather than appreciating. And that is my worry.
Equipo Dash & Cash
April 16, 2008 at 7:27 pm
I’m a newcommenter in your blog: I really like it, even if some times it seems to be critical, because I realized this space is for opinions and it’s fine for all of us to know different kind of reflections or points of view about fashion and style.
You are respectable and the comments are just that: comments. Give them the real and fair space in your life and your blog and become a better Sartorialist.
My best wishes, thanks for your work
April 16, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Sart, like many others, I just wanted to confirm that it is indeed YOUR blog and it is up to you to decide what you want to include. I’m a bit concerned that you might let the criticism of others hamper your creativity and take the fun out of doing what you do — or even make you think that you need to think twice before posting something. Just remember, you can’t please everyone all the time — and you shouldn’t have to! (Don’t waste your time trying as it’s a very thankless task.) It is far more important to be yourself. :)
April 16, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Please tell me you are not going to have the nay sayers stop you. The makeover is a great idea and fun. We can all learn a lot. It was evident to me that the woman was beautiful, but weighted down by hair, low-cut boots, and boxy dress. Chunk, chunk, chunk. Her style was wearing HER rather then her wearing her style. Can’t wait to see pheonix rise from the ball and chain!
April 16, 2008 at 8:14 pm
I think that everything you do with this blog is wonderful and the nay-sayers have to remember that if they want something done differently, they can start their own blog.
April 16, 2008 at 8:15 pm
what happened to phoenix?
April 16, 2008 at 9:06 pm
isnt it all about perspective…about the photoand the story it tells….and the interesting part is whather being made over will translate to in the post m/ophoto.
April 16, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Since finding this blog, I’ve moved from my comfort level of J Crew, Patagonia and REI. Thanks Sart.
April 16, 2008 at 9:08 pm
when do we get to see the final result anyway.
April 16, 2008 at 9:16 pm
i’m getting bored here…. nice photos, forget the makeovers, leave that for those two on tv–what not to wear. hooray to the eclectic fashion gods! i’m going to get really bored if this site goes straight.
April 16, 2008 at 9:26 pm
I love your philosophies. I haven’t been disappointed by anything here yet. I think it’s great that you open the sartorial world for everyone to take what they may from it, but I hope you keep on doing what you truly see as good.
April 16, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Scott, I am very much looking forward to the results of this makeover. Constructing excellent photos and doing work for style magazines is one thing but venturing into the realm of styling a regular human being is quite another. You will be revealing more of yourself than your blog readers have ever seen before. I personally think that you are quite up to the task. Phoenix is a beautiful girl and it is one of the delicious joys of living to play with one’s presentation to the world.
April 16, 2008 at 10:19 pm
It is “street style” and a tribute to people who think that they are being individuals by reacting against classic good taste.
April 16, 2008 at 10:42 pm
I check the blog each morning and have for 2 years. I was originally attracted by the variety of folks featured–old, young, fat, skinny, construction worker, painter, fashionista etc. And I adored Scott’s way of respecting and appreciating individual style and focusing on the successful aspects of a subject and not what was wrong or right. I cherish the blog each morning as an infusion of fashion and also as a reminder to appreciate individual style try not to judge. Perhaps the term “makeover” is what the problem is–one of semantics. Just hoping the site will continue with some of the nuances I’ve mentioned here. Miss Boston.
April 16, 2008 at 10:49 pm
I love this blog and check it daily — keep up the great work : )
April 16, 2008 at 11:37 pm
Dear Sart,Above all else, this is a creative project. It’s all about discovery. Being such, projects of this sort will change since your blog is an extension of your own creativity. It’s natural to go in new directions, as I’ve done with my own.
You want to do makeovers?Well of course! Hasn’t it been what you’ve been leading up to? I think you’ll do so with diplomacy, clarity and consideration of those you’re writing about.
Have a blast. And I’ll ride shotgun and watch.
April 17, 2008 at 12:09 am
i agree – i love u and ur site- and it is a huge inspiration for me and i aspire to be one of the ppl you photograph.. although u missed me when you were last in Hong Kong ;)
i am also very excited to see what Phoenix’s makeover can do for her.
April 17, 2008 at 12:27 am
You really are loved : )
April 17, 2008 at 1:07 am
While I understand what you are trying to convey, I feel as though your points just don’t add up. I am a huge fan of street style, but I must say, I don’t really visit your site as often as others. Mostly due to the fact that I feel it often isn’t geared at personal style that incorporates thrift and vintage items, but rather focuses on the wealthy who can afford to purchase the newest and best trends. And this idea of taking someone who is young and (in my mind) allowed to play with fashion – and putting her in J.Crew just makes me dislike the overall agenda of this site even more. J. Crew is NOT inexpensive in any way, shape, or form. As a recent college graduate trying to make it on a modest budget while paying off loans, I can most definitely attest to that.
April 17, 2008 at 2:53 am
As sart said the subject came up natural and was completely consented, so I don’t see what the big deal is. Maybe snap a few photos of a few different outfits so people don’t feel bad you narrowed her down to 1 style.
Anyway, I would love to see more 20-something aged boys on here, I need inspiration aswell. I don’t want to wear suits yet.
April 17, 2008 at 3:17 am
Dear Scott,this may be a bit late.. as you already received 100+ opinions but one more opinion may help. When i first stumbled upon your blog i didn’t get it, pictures of people in NY..ok. Then it grew on me ! i visit your site daily! your personality shines through every picture, and as im an avid fashion follower, most of the time magazines provide a bit of inspiration but the best looks you get from people (i remember one vacation seeing a well dressed person on the beach was jaw dropping) your blog gives me a window to paris/milan/NY so i can see how people dress, it helps when traveling to those cities; i review your photos of the season and choose my travel clothing according to what i think would work. Its not just everyday style makeovers, it shows you how the city is dressing! I enjoy your personal comments and trust your opinion. As stated above this is your creative space dont let opinions influence you, and as you built your loyal fan base we will accept what more creativity you have to offer. i would like to see bigger pictures as some details i don’t notice when scrolling down your blog. If in “make-over” you meant the blog itself then go for it ! if its meant in giving advice to readers .. why not ! in conclusion you where voted one of times top 100 style influences for a reason :Dgood luck ! (xoxo Bahrain)
April 17, 2008 at 4:37 am
The first news that I got about -The Sartorialist- was reading the sunday issue of -El Pais- (my favorite newspaper in spanish) on the way back from Catalunya to Sweden, so once at home I took my mac and enjoy for 1 hr the pictures both in USA and Europe. I have to say that sometimes I am a bit confused because some people in the pictures looks just terrible but I guess that give us (readers) the possibility of exchange opinions some may think that the outfit is great some others that is odd and at the end of the day exchanging ideas is great. I would love to see more variety of cities because the styles change quite a lot between cities even more here in Europe where countries are so so close to each other and the fashion tastes are so different. As for the -make over- of the young girl, I find it -out of place- because if there is something I like about this blog is the fact the people get their photo taken whether their out fit is good (for the majority) or bad …it is just a matter of observing people´s style but not getting too close to affect it or modify because after all that is just a reflection of their personalty.
April 17, 2008 at 4:38 am
I toally agree with you. I think you should go ahead with the makeover. And well said that this blog started based on that fundamental of seeing other people on the streets, normal people, who can inspire the rest of us in how we wear our clothes. I find it to be better than taking inspirations from models drape in designer, and styled by paid stylists.
I definitely have been much more experimental with the way I dress ever since following this blog. I think I gave myself a makeover in that way.
April 17, 2008 at 5:37 am
I always take the pov that if it’s my blog, it’s my way.
April 17, 2008 at 5:45 am
is pheonix even her real name or just some nom de plume to add to the new found sart line of humour?
April 17, 2008 at 8:26 am
I didnt comment previously because i was a bit in 2 minds and not sure why – however i could not agree with you more – i def use this site to improve my personal style and try new looks – i am looking forward to seeing the results you never know might pick something else up!!
April 17, 2008 at 8:29 am
It is very hard to say that someone needs a makeover just based upon one chance meeting. The young woman in question may have her own sense of sartorial perfection. Even the sartorial aristocracy such as the Duke of Windsor have been known to have “off” days. Please go on documenting fashion as it is represented on the street and around fashion houses. This has been the strength of The Sartorialist. With the “makeover” concept, The Sartorialist has crossed over from fine documentary photography onto the slippery slope of fashion homiletics.
April 17, 2008 at 8:30 am
To anonymous 6:17 p.m.
When I read your comment I thought I must have written it in my sleep. Sounds like what I’ve been thinking all along. Well said.
April 17, 2008 at 8:45 am
I am on pins and needles to see the final result! I only wish it were me…
April 17, 2008 at 9:14 am
it’s your blog. you should do what you want. and, by the way, i think that everything that you do here is fantastic!
you have readers who get to enjoy what you do for free, not paid subscribers, hence they don’t get to dictate what takes place here. the nerve of some people!
April 17, 2008 at 10:00 am
It your blog, and you are the only one in charge of what direction the sart ship is going to take. On the other hand, If it weren’t for the readers, the blog would not have the certain life that it does. I think it says a lot that so many people are upset over the evolution.
April 17, 2008 at 10:12 am
I heart Sart!
April 17, 2008 at 10:26 am
And I, for one, am dying to know how cute Phoenix’s haircut/new clothes look!Love your site.
April 17, 2008 at 1:54 pm
I like your blog, certainly, for the fashion. But I like that your blog shows what strikes YOUR eye. Do I always agree on what’s chic or interesting? No, of course not, but I wouldn’t bother looking if I agreed all the time. It’s great that you’re embarking on a make-over with Phoenix (I would love to see her fresh, pretty face in a pixie cut; her hair will still be beautiful short and please, please DO make her throw out her “I was an extra on Lord of The Rings” boots). It’s more than a bit strange that you would be told what is your blog’s mission and what isn’t.
April 17, 2008 at 3:47 pm
What I think you’re doing is looking for inspiration. Inspiration is a funny thing because if you take something from any source, there is an element of plagiarism. The taker/inspired can easily become a plagiarizer, the trick is to take what works, note what doesn’t, and make it your own. The makeover girl has many existing inspirational qualities, they just need a little tweaking.
Great idea for a makeover, don’t we all make ourselves over a bit when we look at these pictures? That’s the point for me.
April 17, 2008 at 6:43 pm
The truth is, you can do no wrong in whatever you do. I feel that it comes from a good place, and that is good enough for me.
April 17, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Everything evolves…especially fashion, but absolutely nothing in life is immune to change. I really am glad the site ‘evolved’ to including women, because it’s been so inspirational to me! If she wants the makeover, I think it’s an interesting experiment for both of you. An objective opinion, if not coming across as critical, can be life changing, so…hope you do it. I would!
April 17, 2008 at 8:22 pm
I’d love to have a makeover or style tips by you – or a shopping trip, to see your eye in action!
You are an inspiration everyday!
April 18, 2008 at 12:53 am
If she wants your advice it’s nobody else’s business. She’s cute but a bit late-90s and could do something more inspired. As you say, though, she may have lots of eclectic stuff in her own closet, she just didn’t wear it the day you saw her.
Shopping at the Gap though… now that’s what I wouldn’t consider Sartorialist! (Especially lately: drab styles, bad fabric, high prices). Try French Connection or Club Monaco instead!
My only complaint is I want more pictures every day! Reasonable or not, there it is.
April 18, 2008 at 1:31 am
great blog. one of the best. i base a lot of my outfits on the ones photographed by you on this site. without it, i wouldnt be so fashionable. thanks for the great fashion inspiration. youre wonderful!
April 18, 2008 at 5:52 am
April 18, 2008 at 7:25 am
So when can we see the result of the makeover?
April 18, 2008 at 9:34 am
To Anon @6:17: I was one of the people who used to comment regularly, and I stopped. I was a professional tailor, and have made many suits by hand and felt like My Side – the view from a professional – could be of use. I felt like I could help by communicating to others – via this platform of Scott’s wonderful blog – about what to look for and what makes something good in menswear. But I gave up; I feel like people buy into Fashion Concepts and I think it’s silly. I am sick of people thinking something is good just because of a label, or because someone else told them it was good, or because it cost more than a $1000.00. I have altered many expensive, top-label, ready-to-wear suits, that had GLUED hems, or were just complete and utter rubbish in terms of quality and everything else. Anyway, I’d love to see people start to think more critically, and that’s why i love this blog, because Scott thinks about things. Thank you, Scott.
April 18, 2008 at 10:56 am
exactly what anon at 10:00am said, we love you for it. please keep doing what you’re doing, you are an inspiration, no matter the form :)
April 18, 2008 at 10:57 am
What people fail to realize is that is YOUR blog and not some magazine. As viewers into your world we have no right to tell you what to do with your little corner of the Internet.
My girlfriend, modeutopie.blogspot.com/, introduced me to your blog about a year ago and it was the first thing in a very long time that actually moved me. I, too, love to reinvent myself by admiring and borrowing from the others.
Making over this young lady is not robbing her of her own style. I’m sure no one forced her into doing this. She, like you and I realize that you are embracing her desire to discover a new look.
To those who disagree with The Sartorialist’s choice to make this woman over, start your own blog.
April 18, 2008 at 12:03 pm
April 18, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Mr. Sartorialist–The notion of a makeover seemed negative to me at first, but I found your responses to comments reassuring. Thank you for taking the time to have a meaningful dialog with your audience.
Now I view the makeover as a respectful collaboration between photographer and subject. It seems like an interesting extension of the experimentation with style that we see in many of your pictures. So let’s see what happens. The photos might be fantastic!
April 18, 2008 at 2:26 pm
I’m a middle-aged American male who secretly loves clothing, style, textures, and gorgeous, big-city women. Your blog has helped me to look a little more closely, and to encourage me to dress a bit more deliberately and fashionably, and to encourage my wife to do the same. At the same time, although I can understand the urge to be Professor Henry Higgins, I would not encourage it. Regarding the lovely young woman you wanted to re-style, well, that’s HER style for now. Frankly, although I admire the look, I get a bit tired of looking at pigeon-toed, long-legged city women wearing stiletto heels and amazingly short dresses, or ingenues wearing a garish mishmash of color, and that somehow being more stylish than basic black, with red, thick hair and lips and rock ‘n roll boots. Boring perhaps, but it gets my blood going.
Keep your focus on others, and just document, as you do so brilliantly.
April 19, 2008 at 12:01 am
It comes down to this…change. It makes people uncomfortable. I adore your column/blog. I’ve been reading you for maybe 2+ years. You are just exploring new territory. It is human nature to do so. I thought is was a great idea. The boots weren’t the best choice but there were good elements. An international make over by a large audience is an interesting idea to explore. We all aren’t going to LOVE everything anyone else does anyway — open minds not always open mouths can take you places.
Keep the faith!
April 19, 2008 at 3:18 am
I am quite surprised at how much controversy this makeover idea has generated. I’ve even noticed other style bloggers are sharing opinions as well, mainly disapproval. While I am a firm believer in individual style, and am not interested in generic makeovers, I find that there is a tad bit of hypocrisy in all the criticism. I check the blog regulary and no matter who is featured, there is never unanimous agreement about the person’s outfit. Many readers are prone to critiquing and dissecting the outfits featured. It seems somewhat startling that everyone suddenly is offended by the Sart’s criticisms of Phoenix’s outfit. However, while I agree that it could have had a more positive tone overall, I think that who a lot of the opposition seems to forget in this whole matter, is Phoenix. Many are portraying her as the Sart’s ‘victim’ and accusing him of objectifying her while the same thing is being done by those who are protesting the makeover. She is an adult with her own mind who is clearly capable of making her own decisions. Implying that she only agreed to the make over to be on the website is an insult to her intelligence. Many are defending her ‘style’ on her behalf, but did it ever occur to anyone that perhaps she is in the process of developing her personal style? She could be open to the Sart’s suggestion of a makeover because she is currently exploring her style. Most people undergo different style metamorphoses. At the end of the day she will wear what she chooses as she can make her own decisions. I am sure the Sart will not turn up at her house on a daily basis to give his approval of her outfits, following this makeover.In my very humble opinion,I think people should relax a bit. I think passionate arguments about the threat to individuality can be addressed to more prominent media sources (e.g the fashion magazines most readers likely read)instead of on someone’s personal blog.(No matter how influential it is, it is still the Sart’s blog).
April 19, 2008 at 11:47 am
I think it’s interesting that the two recent postings that have garnered the most comment have been about the girl in India and the make-over. And what’s fueled many of the comments has been exceptionally harsh and irrational criticism. Having worked in retail for a couple of years and having dealt with the public directly, I came to the unremarkable conclusion that some people (especially some people who take an interest in fashion) are crazy.
Last I checked, people aren’t paying a subscription fee to view your blog. One click takes the world straight to The Sartorialist. So if you decide to do a make-over, or feel empathy for a little girl, how can people people go nuts? Then there are all of those commenters saying/implying that you’re forcing this girl against her will to get a make-over. This is The Sartorialist, not The Sado-Masochist. No one’s handcuffing her, kicking and screaming, and dragging her to Neil George.
Just want you to know that I like vintage Sartorialist (picture, time of posting), I love Sartorialist-With-Back-Story even more, and I enjoy the variations now and then (observations on the world, Extreme Makeover Sartorialist Edition, etc.). Plus, your posted responses to the ideas and criticism out there show your passion for your work and personal interest in your viewers. Keep up the good work.
April 20, 2008 at 2:31 am
Keep on the great work. There are few pleasures like inspiring others and seeing things where no one else does. I love your pictures, I love your blog, and I love you Sart.
April 20, 2008 at 2:33 am
Oh! And BTW… in an absolut world the street is the runway. SUPERB! ahhh you just make my life better.
April 20, 2008 at 11:14 am
When do we get to see the results of the makeover?
April 20, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Thank u for sharing why you started all this. I think it sure will give another light to the whole makeover project. I am actually in the process of a makeover myself thanks to your blog. Txxxx! Much love!
April 21, 2008 at 11:17 am
It’s your blog, your pics, your comments and your point of view and It’s ok. This is why we read it.Thanks
April 22, 2008 at 8:08 am
where is it?begining with a controversy and subsequent excessive adulation with no content whatsoever?
April 28, 2008 at 9:47 pm
thank you for your pictures and words and especially thank you for the care given to your viewers. it is highly appreciated. here i am in the dead of arizonan city desert, dreaming of the fashions of NY, Milan and Paris; in spite of my location your work is my window to a place that i can not yet touch…
May 8, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Thank you for this blog. I love it, and I love your mission statement, so to speak. I’ve gone through that myself: one day you simply tire of the typical jeans and t-shirts and you want to change your personal style. It’s not easy, but it’s definitely fun. Your blog has actually helped me refine my style even more; it’s inspired me more than I can say. So thanks.